We’re happy to be here today.

Yes, thanks for having us.

Do you think that the Obama campaign is prepared to contest election results that look suspicious in any way? I fear they are not prepared for this. They should contest anything suspicious whether they win or not because democracy is under attack.

Marjorie — thanks so much to you and Eric for joining us. The past few election cycles, election fraud allegations and corresponding voter suppression accusations have made headlines. How prevalent are these problems, really, and what are the most important things that voters can do to protect their own votes?

[E]lection budgets in a number of places have not increased since 2004.

Marjorie and Eric, thanks for visiting. Which localities do you think are most vulnerable in this regard?

Christy: ARG (yes, not the best but have been right at times when everyone else was wrong) has Obama up 8% in WV. Nice work!

Thanks for highlighting this issue. It’s always baffled me why the voting integrity issues have never become front and center in Liberal circles. Nothing else matters if this isn’t fixed first, since they’ll simply keep stealing elections.

A great complement to the Election Protection Coalition:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....ction_Wiki

Do y’all know much about Obama’s unprecedented program to pro-actively fight voter suppression efforts, and if so how effective will it be?

Thanks for your question. Election Protection is actually a non-partisan organization so we cannot speak to the strategy of the Obama campaign. However, we are working hard to have a structure in place on Election Day to protection voters and open up the ballot box to traditionally disenfranchised voters. I promise we’ll be ready to address any issues that arise on Election Day and do what we can to protect the rights of voters.

Hooray!! This is my A-number one topic. Question: We’ve got an election in less than a month. We’ve got people out there perhaps inciting violence. We’ve got a lot of suspicion that the voting machines are rigged already. What can we do - on a personal basis to make sure that people’s voting rights are protected - that they get to the right place, have a chance to cast their votes, and have their votes recorded the same way they were cast?

We know that there are plenty of problems with people not being on registration rolls and having to deal with long lines and/or broken machines. We see issues like that, along with lack of poll worker training and confusing ID and voter registration laws, as being the main problems that we see. In-person voter fraud is not a problem that we’ve seen, and we are concerned that focusing on that may distract from the more prevalent problems.

Marjorie and Eric — what do you know about the charges and counter-charges regarding ACORN this year? Any comment on that, or being non-partisan, are you constrained in talking about that? I linked up a couple of informative investigative pieces on it above, for folks who are interested…

It’s always hard to predict exactly where problems will be. One place that is concerning is Virginia. I’m not sure if you saw the USA Today article today, but there are concerns that they are not prepared with the resources and infrastructure to handle the record number of voters that are sure to turn out on Election Day.

Also, living in a fairly rural state as I do (in WV), I wonder if the most problems you all deal with are more urban/inner city, more rural, or a mix?

Thanks Christy. In general these stories distract from the real problems that voters face. Often times people will use instances of problems with voter registration to push for more restrictive third-party registration rules. For example, New Mexico now requires organizations to turn in registraitons within 48 hours of collecting them. These types of rules actually inhibit the ability of groups who are doing good work registering voters. It also underscores the need for comprehensive reform in the way we actually register voters. If there was a nationwide Election Day Registration law - where voters could register and vote on Election Day- it would alleviate these problems and also increase access to the ballot box for voters across this country.

Eric — I saw that article, but it was unclear whether they were targeting that as a state-wide problem, or for the more urban areas closer to DC and in Richmond or the more rural areas in the western Virginia. Any ideas where the bulk of the VA problems are thought to be?

Thanks, Toby, for your question about what you can do on a personal basis. If you or anyone you know has time, one of the most important things that you can do is sign up to work at the polls on election day. Having well-informed poll workers is an important first step. You can go to 866ourvote.org and get information about how to do that.
Another thing you can do is to check your registration in advance, too (info is on the website for each state as to how to do that), to make sure that your are registered and know your polling place. If there’s a problem on election day (or before), call 1-866-OUR-VOTE - we’ll have lawyers standing by to help.

The issues we deal with are nationwide. The 1-866-OUR-VOTE hotline and www.866OurVote.org are services for voters in all 50 states. We do, however, focus our efforts in areas with a high concentration of traditionally disenfranchised voters - low-income, minorities, youth, elderly, language minorities, voters with a disability. These do tend to be urban and densely populated areas. However, as we’ve seen in the past, issues can come up anywhere that lead to the disenfranchisement of voters.

we know as a fact the electronic machines WILL flip votes, we also know there is no paper trail on most of those machines

how is the obama campaign going to address that issue?

let me remind you, the more exposed they are the more brazen they are likely to become, in the last election they tried to flip the vote by a believeable marging

that didn’t work in the legislative elections and they have learned their lesson, they are not going to take any chances, they are going to flip the vote far more then the statiistics indicate is needed

so what is the obama campaign prepared to do when that happens, it is IS “when”, it is NOT “if”

We had Michael Waldman on for a book salon not too long ago — from the Brennan Center — and talked quite a bit about the need for election reforms. If you all could have your top five reforms enacted, what would those be?

Christy, I think the bulk of the problems will arise in the more densely populated areas, like the DC suburbs, Richmond, and the Hampton Roads area. The reason being higher turnout. The issues that could arise in VA have to do with the fact that there are major concerns that the elections infrastructure are not prepared for the high-level of turnout people are predicting.

ooookay, I’m at your site and I’m looking..the ‘volunteer’ button is for lawyers…where do us civilians go?

Didn’t Maryland have similar problems in the last election cycle, too? I remember that from watching things with Donna Edwards’ primary race as well. What sorts of problems should voters watch for — and report, if they see them?

Eric,Marjorie, do you think that the NYTimes article today will help in your efforts?

Also, do you co-ordinate with such organizations such as VoteTrustUSA(John Gideon,Ellen Theissen)?

EPued From BT’s thread we really need the new post notice to work again:)
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Unlike when FDR ran we count votes allot faster and we put the results on TV if Obama wins Ohio early will Western GOP voters bother to show up if the race looks like it is over?
If that happens Obama could win more states.

Eric and Marjorie; Thanks for being here for us and all American citizens.

Eric:

As a “non partisan organizarion”, can you verify that BOTH major political parties have sought to ‘disenfranchise’ (by whatever means) voters?

If so, could you provide recent examples?

Given that ‘gaming’ electonic voting machines is one of the most nefarious of ‘dirty tricks’, what remedies, other than “legislation”, are really available to the average voter?

The first would definitely be Election Day Registration. As I’ve mentioned before, this is the single most reform we can enact. Not only will it provide more opportunities for eligible voters to register, but it will also allow voters to correct their problems with registration. The stories we’re seeing out there about voters being dropped from the rolls would not be a problem because that voter could simply re-register at the polling place and cast a ballot. Another important piece of reform is Universal Absentee and Early Voting. This would provide more options for voters. As you know, many Americans have so many responsibilities that it can often be tough to vote on Election Day. Allowing anybody to vote early, regardless of reason, would greatly increase civic participation. I’d also add, automatic registration, where your registration moves with you when you move, deceptive practices and voter intimidation, and anti-caging to that list as well.

Marjorie, the last I saw, there was still a lot of confusion in places like Florida which had odd voter roll purge policies that were later overturned by the legislature but still had not been reversed in some areas. Has most of that been sorted out since the 2004 and 2006 election cycles — or is it still being challenged/litigated/what have you in most places?

Since Election Protection is non-partisan we can’t comment on what the Obama campaign might do, but we certainly agree that the integrity of voting machines is a key issue. The Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, which Eric and I are affiliated with, has for years been working on the issue of needing paper backup on electronic voting machines. One of the benefits of the 1-866-OUR-VOTE hotline is that we have an electronic reporting system, keep track of what happens, and work with election officials (or, when necessary, bring suit) afterwards to try to get systemic reform.

Has anyone looked at how voters reacted after they knew their vote would not effect the presidential election because it was already over?
Has it lowered voter turnout historically? I think it has.
Or should we keep this a secret? I don’t think it matters McCain should be screaming about this very issue come election day.
Gotta go I’ll check the comments later you guys have great feedback for my questions:)

Thanks DWBartoo. Election Protection itself is a remedy for problems voters face. The 1-866-OUR-VOTE hotline is currently being answered live now for voters with any questions they may have, from where to I vote, to what type of ID do I need, to taking in reports of intimidation and suppression. On Election Day, the hotline will be answered live in 25 local and national call centers across the country from 30 minutes before the poll open to 30 minutes after the polls close. In addition, we will mobilize thousands of legal volunteers to monitor select polling places in over 40 jurisdictions across the country. This comprehensive network will allow us to assist voters over the phone, at the polling place, at election officials offices, and through emergency Election Day litigation if necessary.

Anything that gets information out about issues with voter registration helps, because governments respond to public pressure. The Election Protection coalition has about 100 organizations affiliated with it.

As today’s NY Times article shows, as soon as one registration problem is solved another pops its head up. We have seen some improvements since the last election cycle - for example, it’s a lot easier for voters now to go online and check their registrations in most states - but we’re not nearly as close as we should be to dealing with incorrect voter purging and registration problems.

Maryland has had some problems in the past. During the 2006 primary elections many polling places in Montgomery County and Baltimore City opened up late because of problems with machines. We were actually part of a lawsuit that extended polling place hours. During this year’s primary inclement weather led to the extension of polling place hours. We also received numerous calls from voters who had registered at the DMV but when they tried to vote, they were either not on the rolls or registered as an Independent and no allowed to vote in that state’s closed primaries. In general we receive all types of calls. The most prevalent are from voters looking for their polling place. However, we do get many calls from people asking about ID requirements, provisional balloting issues, etc., it really runs the gamut.

There are several states which already have same-day voter registration and voting, aren’t there? Is there any data on how that has gone? One of the things you often read and hear is that it would lead to higher instances of “voter fraud,” which seems to be the catch-all euphemism for “it wouldn’t be good for our side.” But I haven’t seen or heard any specifics on increased problems in any of the states which have implemented same-day voting and registration.

If there are source materials you know of on this, I’d love a pointer in that direction.

but the electronic machines are still being used, this is most disturbing in the first place, it seems like nothing can possibly be done when obama votes are flipped over to mccain.

nothing

Thanks Toby, we’re actually partnering with Credo Mobile’s Poll Workers for Democracy program. It is an excellent program recruiting tech savvy, passionate people to be official poll workers on Election Day. We’ve seen far too many instances where undertrained or not enough poll workers led to the disenfranchisement of voters. You can volunteer by visiting http://act.credoaction.com/pol.....html?rc=lc

One of our coalition partners, Demos, actually has some excellent data on Election Day Registration that shows just how successful it has been at increasing turnout. You can find more information here http://www.demos.org/page18.cfm

Election Protection is good at what they do, but you can’t expect them to wave a wand and fix everything in one chat, now can you? *g*

If anyone experiences an electronic machine flipping a vote, please have them call us at 1-866-OUR-VOTE. It’s important at least to document any instances like this.

no christy, I am most disturbed however we have gotten nowhere with the electronic voting machines, we’ve had 4 years and they are still there

*crosses fingers*

Thanks for the compliment Christy :). We’re working hard here at Election Protection. I haven’t had much sleep these past few months, but we’re really excited about the great program we’re putting together for Election Day.

I also encourage people to follow us on Twitter! We’re constantly updating it with great information on voting rights issues and stories http://twitter.com/866OURVOTE

marjory, the flip won’t be witnessed, it will happen when the taley is taken not when the vote is cast.

but as christy says, there is nothing to do about that now, I cannot believe we had 4 years to address the issue and it still exists

Believe me, if we had a magic wand we’d use it. But at least now people are recognizing the importance of having a paper trail on electronic machines, which wasn’t a big topic before the last election.

Yes, I know that was a shameless plug. But I do have one more, we have a great Facebook fan page as well http://www.new.facebook.com/pa.....?ref=share

Since election protection includes that the vote one casts is accurately reported AND that the electronic machines have ALL been shown to have -at a minimum- ’shortcomings’ AND that it has been shown that such machines HAVE been altered to provide differing results than what voters thought the ballot they were casting indicated, what is the position of http://www.866ourvote.org/
on the usage of hand marked, hand counted paper ballots?
I do not see anything on the site regarding this. Since other nations use such for both local and national elections -the latest example being Ecuador- and that the issues with such a voting method (which is considered the ‘gold standard’ for election integrity) are so much less than with electronic machines, I am surprised at nothing being on the site about such a method of casting a ballot.

Most excellent, Eric.

“Thousands of legal volunteers … in over 40 jurisdictions across the country.”

And a hotline.

Impressive indeed.

Eric and Marjorie — Have you had much success in speaking with members of Congress and governors about reforms for elections? I know the Senate had recent hearings on the issue, and plan more as well as some upcoming in the House. But it seems like things rarely move forward more than teensy amounts at a time.

Any efforts our readers can get behind to help enact better voting laws? And more oversight of problems?

Thanks for your question, we do support the need for voter verifiable ballots. There are many great groups doing good work on these issues and we support them in their work. However, because they’re doing this work it allows us to also focus on the myriad of issues that prevent people from even being able to use a voting machines - like confusing voter registration and identification requirements, problems with provisional ballots, etc.

If folks wouldn’t mind giving this post a digg, I’d love to get this information out to a wider audience. Thanks!

I think the most important thing we can do about electronic voting flips is going to be exit polls

exit polls are never wrong, they weren’t wrong in kerry/bush, they showed kerry won the election and my oh my, wherever there was no paper trail, the exit poll was wrong and bush won even though the exit poll said kerry won

go figure

the only thing we can do to document electronic flips are exit polls

yet the networks are reluctant to have exit polls SINCE the last election the exit polls were “wrong” (they weren’t wrong the election was flipped)

we need exit polls and I hope we are going to have some trusted organizations conducting those polls

The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act passed the House and is through the Senate Judiciary Committe, and both MN and VA have passed state versions of that as well. In addition, MN recently passed election day registration. There’s clearly room for more, but at least this is some improvement.

OT Market down 500 points 5.5% loss 18 minutes left. Matbe this will get out the vote for change.

NPR having this discussion on voter situation in Ohio.

One very important piece of information for voters is in response to the foreclosure crisis. Unfortunately independent actors have taken this opportunity to try to disenfranchise voters. The Lawyers’ Committee and Election Protection has acted to protect these voters rights. I definitely encourage people to check out this section of our website for more information http://www.866ourvote.org/page?id=0021

Dugg Christy; concur

As a CO voter my mail-in ballot arrived last monday. Do I have anything to worry about. I was going to bring it to the post office rather than stick it in the mail box

One thing to keep in mind is that registration problems can affect voters of all parties, and state and local races as well as national races. So it’s not just the presidential vote that matters (although that draws a lot more attention), and it’s not just one party that is affected.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions about Warren County, OH, from the 2004 election. Would love to see more transparency in some of the southern counties — and it wouldn’t bother me at all if Vic Wulsin beat Jean Schmidt there, either. *g*

I read somewhere today, Eric, that the tactic has spilled over from Michigan to Indiana on foreclosure vote challenges. Have you all heard anything specific on that this week that you can share?

Excellent point Marjorie; think ‘propositions’.

Thanks Christy, I did just recently hear about that. At this point I don’t know more than what has been reported, but I can promise you we are looking into it and will do what we can.

Are there particular states and/or cities where folks should be alerted to potential issues BEFORE November 4th that you all are aware of at this point? I know some states still have registration open, so correcting a problem is still possible for some folks.

Also, if someone finds a problem with their registration, can they contact Election Protection if they are having trouble sorting out the problem with local election officials — and is it better to call sooner rather than later?

And actually, just to follow up on that, the real intent here is to intimidate voters. Being on a foreclosure list alone is not enough grounds to challenge a voter’s registration. There are several levels of foreclosure. A voter might be in foreclosure but still living in their house and negotiating with the bank. This is all an attempt to keep people at home by thinking that they might walk into a polling place and be identified as a person who has had their homes foreclosed upon. The most important thing in these situations is voter education. If voters understand their rights, then they will know that these challenges are bogus. That’s one of the reason why I encourage all of you to promote the 1-866-OUR-VOTE hotline and the www.866OurVote.org website.

You said it Perris…exit polls reflect innacurracies so then do es the legal teams roll up their sleeves and file court actions in a coordinated way acrooss the nation?

Which is eerily similar to the “if you have an outstanding warrant, and we think you may have one, then you’d better not show up to vote or you’ll be arrested” flier on the windshield trick, isn’t it?

If you’re doing a mail-in ballot the most important things are to make sure that you carefully follow the directions on the ballot and envelope and get the ballot submitted in time. Read and re-read the instructions (e.g., do you have to sign the envelope? include a copy of your ID?) so there won’t be any excuse for not counting your ballot. And after you mail it, it doesn’t hurt to call a few days later to see if it was received.

Yes, if people have problems with their registrations they should definitely contact Election Protection. Voter registration deadlines have either passed or are fast approaching. If people even have a small suspicion that there might be problems they should call us because it will be too late on Election Day. Honestly, at this point I’d tell everybody that they should know their rights, but not be afraid or worried that there might be problems on Election Day. Part of the problem with all the horror stories about major problems on Election Day is that they can sometimes turn off voters. The vast majority of voters will have a pleasant experience on Election Day. For the voters that do run into a problem, they should know that there is a resource, 1-866-OUR-VOTE that is there for them.

They have to have standing to do so — and that’s where the reports of problems from individual voters come into play. Which is why Marjorie is asking folks if they have a voting issue to call and report it to the numbers above in this post.

You all could do a great service by passing some of this information around to friends, family, and party folks in your area — the more information we have on problems, the better off we’ll be in the long run when arguing for better oversight and changes to voting laws. Having real time data to back up the asks helps tremendously.

Exactly - or the fliers that we’ve seen in the past that say things like if you’re behind on your electric bill or child support payments and show up to vote, you’ll be arrested. You would hope that people wouldn’t get scared off by something that outrageous, but you can certainly understand why someone might decide it wasn’t worth the risk.

It is, that is why after the election is over, we must all focus our efforts in support of good legislation like the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Act and the Caging Prohibition Act. These two important pieces of legislation will make it more difficult for independent actors to suppress the vote.

Rovian strategies. Threaten the voter. Vote tax. Road blocks…long lines…legal intimidation. Republican values!

Early voting must alleviate some of the long wait times on election day. Why doesn’t every state do this. We have it in NC, and I really like it!

Did you see that Hans Von Spakovsky recently penned an op-ed in an obscure publication regarding challenging absentee ballots this year for fraud allegations? That makes checking and double-checking your absentee vote all the more critical if we have reached that level of “voter fraud” allegations from one of the kings of unfounded accusations (in my book, anyway — I loathe him, which folks who read here know full well.)

Thanks, Christy, for encouraging people to report any problems they have. One of the things that we’ve seen in our lawsuits is that real people and real facts make a big difference in whether we can succeed in the courts.

We have it in WV, too, and it is incredibly popular, especially with working folks who have trouble getting in to vote on a single day. Having “no excuse” early voting enables them to go in and cast a full ballot and not have to take a cut in pay or wrangle a work schedule to do it, which is fantastic.

I did see it. These accusations do nothing but distract us from the real problems that voters face on Election Day.

Republics won’t like that legislation. Hopefully their numbers will be so diminished that they will be unable to cause mischief.

Three cheer for the people of WV that have decided on change Obama ahead…really there is real hope for real change for workers, homeowners and household budgets. Dispoasable income…trickle up economics!

That has to mean a sharp increase in personal attacks on Obama by McPalin.

Have you all seen the latest Jon Stossel report on younger voters? He’s supposedly doing a “special report” on how ill-informed younger voters are and why they shouldn’t vote. I find that laughable given how poorly informed people of all ages have been when I’ve done calls and voter registration and door=knocking and such through the years. Younger people certainly aren’t the only ones. *g*

And, I have to say, a media person attacking people who want to vote for being poorly informed is a bit funny given how we get so much more infotainment rather than nitty-gritty detail journalism these days…

Just want to take a minute to say a huge thank you to Eric and Marjorie for being here today — and for the huge amount of work they both do along with the folks at Election Protection. Thanks so much for being here today, you two!

Also, everyone, please pass on the Election Protection website URL along with the voter hotline number to folks you know. Just in case they have an issue voting, it’s good to be prepared and take the number to the polls with you!

That is very discouraging. We should all be doing everything we can to encourage young people to get engaged in elections, not disparage them for being new to the system. I think it’s tremendous the energy and enthusiasm we have seen from younger voters.

Thanks for having us on FDL - it’s great to see so many people actively engaged in making sure that our elections are fair. Voting is, after all, the basis of our democracy (even if a majority of us wouldn’t have been eligible to vote as the Constitution was originally written). Remember to vote, to encourage your friends and family to vote, and if you have any problems call 1-866-OUR VOTE.

Thanks Christy and to everybody else. I enjoyed it.

Re Exit Polls…just saw an article in the Oregonian that discounted the value of exit polls…perfect GOP MO!! I can’t locate right now, but it does seem a strategy the GOP will employ will be to minimize or discount one of the better gauges of election integrity.

e Exit Polls…just saw an article in the Oregonian that discounted the value of exit polls…perfect GOP MO!!

yup, they are gaming it up so the flip becomes believable

Vote suppression is a valid thing to fight, for sure, but the real game-changer is going to be the flipping of the vote. I worked with EP in San Francisco for the 2004 election, and we went home at 9p election day thinking we had achieved something and the Kerry would be the next President…only to have the votes flipped after midnight.

I hope that Obama’s overwhelming voter registration success will thwart the upcoming Rovian election fraud!! Throw Rove in jail, and we will save the country!

A huge problem for voting rights is the difficulty of turning over election technology quickly.

First there is the problem that you have mentioned: Voting is controlled by State rather than Federal standards. This constrains what can be done by Federal legislation.

Second is the enormity of the task of changing the technology: As different voting systems (paper ballot, optical scanners, mechanical systems, electronic voting, etc.) are evaluated and problems are encountered, it is expensive and time consuming to change the “user interface” down at the local level. Even if we did have a national standard of voting technology, how long would it take to implement?

Third is that State AGs (who usually control how voting is done) don’t like getting jerked around on the technology. After going through a change-over from one voting system to another, most State AGs are not going to be eager about another mandate for change a few years later.

Fourth, I find it especially egregious that a number of the electronic voting machine companies use proprietary software that regulators are not permitted to examine. I think this is unconscionable and should not be permitted anywhere. “Just trust us” doesn’t work anymore, especially not after Ohio. All such machines ought to be prohibited. The software should be open for examination and testing until election day, and then sealed to prevent tampering (allowing unsealing and testing after the polls are closed.)

I could go on and on, but let me end with a bit of personal experience as a poll worker several years ago: Our crew was very conscientious, and everyone was earnest about doing our job right. At the time, we were using a paper ballot with optical scanning. I had the job of showing each voter how to insert their ballot into the counting machine, and checking to make sure their votes were counted. If they had made a mistake, their alternatives were (1) a complete do-over, or (2) tell the machine to ignore that particular item (thus voiding their vote on that item). I noticed that older voters would often choose to have their vote discarded rather than go to the trouble of re-voting.

My experience has been that no voting system is perfect. Whatever system is used must be tested and certified, and must provide a means for a re-count to take place that starts with the individual vote (not just precinct totals). Whatever the system is, we are going to have to live with dangling chads or the equivalent thereof.

Is that your impression?

Bob in HI

Eric and Marjorie:

Much thanks for being here AND, especially, to both of you, for caring enough to actually become involved in making things better.

Top marks, all around!

Seems to me getting a “paper trail” is like putting lipstick on a…

Shouldn’t the use of electronic voting machines be discouraged altogether?

Thanks for your great work!

In the case of “vote flipping,” it should be easy for a citizen to record such a thing as long as they carry their cell-phone camera.

I’m thoroughly convinced that the cell phone camera is the savior of our democracy — they watch us, we watch them.

And there’s more of us!

the flip is made on the talley not on the vote, cell phone documentation does nothing

air america tells us the purging method this time is going to be with social security, if your address doesn’t match that you are purged

this is not allowed but it is being done anyway

most new registrars are democrats and that’s where the big obama push is going to come from

this must be stopped

Its time to start planning.

Well congratulations, it looks like we will win and gain substantially in the Senate and the House.

Now is the time for each of us, and all of us out here, to start the drumbeat for the primary challanges of 2010. Each and every member of the Party who voted for the 700 billion dollar rip off that Barak supported will be targeted for replacement with a true progressive.

We are starting now to campaign to replace Harry in the Senate and Nancy in the House. They both have more than amply demonstrated that they have neither the guts or the smarts to lead in the Congress. We are not taking back to government to let incompetent jerks give away the store to the corporate interests.

We want an honest, strong, and smart Secretary of the Treasury appointed. If Barak appoints anyone other than Warren Buffet, they had better be prepared to show that they have all the qualifications of a Warren Buffet. Buffet will not either sqander our money or fail to get value for our dollar. No political Hacks need apply and any history of elective office will disqualify the person immediately.

To echo Barak, this win is not an end, it is the first step of We the People takeing back that which is ours. A very good thing for you politicians to remember.

You’re right, but I was specifically referring to instances where the voter hits one button but the machine shows another result.

You might be surprised what shows up if people started recording their experiences at the voting booth. In 2006 my best friend was recording the Orange County elections people at work and this kid did something with a thumb drive that sure looked suspicious…