The oddest thing happened on the way to not nationalizing the banks, the Federal government started to do their jobs. That's what the announcement that the Fed would start buying and selling short term commercial paper meant. That's what all the extended credit facilities mean. The Fed is lending to everyone the banks won't lend to, and if it goes on, that could mean that the Fed winds up doing most of the lending itself. Sure, it's not actually lending to individuals directly, but it's financing American business directly at this point, will probably be financing all the States if this goes on, and so on.
The fundamental problem is that the Fed wants money loaned at below the rate of inflation, far below it, and the banks don't want to do that. The normal response to this problem would be to raise interest rates, which tells banks they can raise theirs and which also squashes inflation. But if the Fed were to raise interest rates right now it'd crash the housing market even further, causing a huge wave of foreclosures as variable rate mortgages reset. That wouldn't just make banks even more sickly, it'd hurt Fannie and Freddie, which the government is on the hook for.
This is the essential dilemma the central bank is in. Standard macroeconomic policy solutions don't work any more. You can't do what Volcker did, and just raise interest rates through the roof to drive inflation through the floor, to allow banks to lend at high rates and to generally wring the excesses out of the system. But lowering interest rates does no good because banks don't want to lend that low, long term lenders refuse to lend that low (the Fed has lost complete control over long term interest rates) and businesses don't want to borrow unless they absolutely must because they know they're going into a recession? Who cares if you can borrow short term money cheap? What would you do with it? And long term money is expensive, not that most companies want to borrow long right now either (though in a bit the more forward looking ones would want to, to pick up bargains cheap.)
The time for a recession was 2005. At that time simple macroeconomic policy; simply raising interest rates, would have ended the bubbles in credit and housing at the cost of a standard if somewhat nasty recession. Trillions of dollars of intervention would not have been needed. Just standard macro policy. Even in 2006 it might still have worked. The Fed blew it, and they broke the system, and now with the system broken they may have to either buy it all out (and Paulson may be considering that after all) or just become the system. And even if they do that may not work, because, well, who wants to borrow and invest right now?
Bernanke and Greenspan are certainly in the "worst Fed chairman of all time" stakes in a big, big way.
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2005 was the peak of the housing market when the bubble was at it’s highest peak- seems that action should have happened in 03 or 04 in order to keep the bubble from forming.
is it just me or is that seal vaguely fascist?
The people at the helm making these decisions are free market financial “gamblers” and don’t want to see the gov become the lender of choice in the nation. A national bank. Too much opportunity for profit in private bilking… I mean banking under the “fractional banking” scheme.
But we do need to “nationalize” credit or banking, along with energy and airlines and all the main “infrastructure” industries.
None of these fixes will stop the crash of capitalism as we knew it. If they can save it, it will be severely regulated and the bankers and the financial industry won’t be seeing people invest their savings with these gamblers. Their brand is permanently soiled.
The need bubbles to create wealth from thing air.
Just read something on McBush’s mortgage plan- which requires the govt. to buy mortgages at FULL MARKET VALUE- so the fuckin banks don’t take a haircut- and then the govt. lowers the loan amount by enough to give the home owner equity..
Whadda buncha shit
Make the fuckin banks take a haircut- 85% of the current market value of the underlying asset value should be the max price for a mortgage.
Obama team figured this out- but too late
is it just me or is that seal vaguely fascist?
A bird sitting on an ‘Afro comb’? I rather like it, and it does not strike me as fascist at all.
The rich kids want no consequences for their greed and exploitation of an unregulated playground. Pathetic.
It’s called a “pick”
;~P
Why not just enact a law which freezes, reduces and or flattens current adjustable rate home (1 primary home) mortgages?
Bernanke and Greenspan are certainly in the “worst Fed chairman of all time” stakes in a big, big way.
Well, at least in Bernanke’s case, he was nominated by the ‘Worst Prez’…!
There ya go, gosh darnit, “thinkin’ again!
Indeed. There is no way to keep and army of lawyers and bankers employed with that sort of common-sense approach.
Greenspan certainly. Bernanke is really not as responsible for the mess, he just failed to start the cleanup before it became critical. Greenspan’s policies created the mess in the first place.
Housing peak in April 2006 in my neighborhood. I have stats.
I think the banks etc are hiding what they have in their vaults perhaps because they would be exposed to criminal charges. It seems they are wishing it will just blow over if the gov waves its magic wand and credit confidence is restored. It’s not only toxic, but criminal and they are all consipirators.
With strict bank regulation, eliminating the need for banks to market themselves would save much money.
Now who really owns the fed?
Fascists drew a lot of their symbology from Rome, so did America’s founders. I wouldn’t call it fascist, America’s founders admired the Republic, Mussolini preferred the Empire.
But Bernanke has lost control of even short term interest rates. That’s the Fed Chairman’s #1 job. He isn’t even managing the basic part of the job anymore.
Is it just me, or are we REALLY lucky to have Ian Welsh blogging on here folks?
We can’t live without him! Wow. He’s got a big brain when it comes to economics. ;-)
America’s a developed economy, performing more or less on its productivity curve, that tried for nearly three decades to behave like a developing econony, performing below the curve and moving rapidly toward it. A fast developing country (like Taiwan in the past or China today, can afford to have its firms and citizens borrow heavily to make infrastructure and training investments that will enable its companies to move up to the efficient frontier of that curve, in an accelerated way.. a developed country does not have the same potential for rapid, investment-led productivity gains). So, when the US used leverage — lots and lots of leverage — to try to speed up its economic growth, it was simply digging a very deep hole instead of making a sound investment in the future. To be blunt, it appeared to grow like a Newly Industrialized Economy, but that growth was just into a series of bubbles. And yet this type of fake growth was politically expedient and everybody appeared to be getting rich - the trap of cheap money chasing after increasingly unsound investments.
This is shrub AND Clinton’s fault.
I certainly blame Clinton for shredding the social ‘Safety Net’ and allowing the repeal of Glass-Steagal… However, Shrub does bear the brunt of the blame…
The Administration’s approach to the economic meltdown is a lot like its approach to the Iraq war. It was entirely avoidable but it went stumbling into Iraq and the housing bubble without any thought to the consequences. It then chose a series of strategies that magnified a serious problem into a catastrophic one.
The Fed is taking over a lot of the banking in this country, but instead of nationalizing the banks so that they can reset the system directly, the Fed and Treasury are engaged in enormous and wasteful kabuki trying to get the banks to do what they want but not forcing them to do so and without fixing any of the underlying problems associated with derivatives and bad mortgages or re-regulating the industry to keep this from all happening again.
The devil’s in the details and the key detail in the bailout is what the govt. pays the banks for distressed assets…If they go full boat- we’re getting fucked
No surprise. He’s throwing mindboggling large amounts of money madly into the system and mostly creating a vast liquidity trap.
The other key detail is that we still won’t know at the end of the exercise what everyone’s full exposure is or what their balance sheet looks like so banks will remain leery about each others underlying solvency and so reluctant to lend to each other.
I should add that this is an important part of the Administration’s approach: Choose an expensive method that doesn’t address the problem.
I think you are overstating the effects of inflation on lending. I agree long term loans require covering the cost of inflation- say more than a year. But in the short term, a loan only really has to cover a bank’s costs plus profit. If they have capitol available and they don’t use it for loans, it will not increase with inflation. Maybe they could just buy commodities and wait and hope. If they are just waiting for opportunities to arise, the capitol will not appreciate with inflation, it will just sit there. So why not loan it out and make some money, even if you lose to inflation? Seems a lot better than losing to inflation plus no profits.
I would put the cause of the borrowing in the U.S. differently. Consumers are the bedrock of the U.S. economy, over 70% of GDP. The healthiest way for comsumer spending to grow is thru growth in real wages per worker. But since employers have all the power, the only time that wages outpace inflation is when workers are so scarce that companies are forced to bid them away from each other. That happened for several years in the 1960s when the unemployment rate bottomed at 3-1/2%, and briefly in the 1990s when the unemployment rate neared 4%. At all other times, real wages per worker were flat or declining.
Two other ways to boost aggregate consumer spending is longer hours per worker, and adding jobs. Clinton did the latter in spades but W not so much.
But in order to keep consumers with jobs spending at the bottom of recessions, the FRB must keep lowering rates. Because the wage fundamental is chronically negative, borrowing becomes the prop, and the FRB runs monetary policy to make that happen.
Again because of the poor underpinnings to rising consumer spending, easy monetary policy tends to go more into asset prices than prices of goods & services. (Current CPI inflation is more about supply shocks than easy monetary policy.) Inflating assets = bubbles & crashes. Thus the tech bubble in the 1990s and the house prices bubble in the 2000s.
Every time they do this it gets harder.
And there’s really no way of repairing the fundamental of real wage growth. As I said, that only has happened post WWII when unemployment was really low. Farther back, unionization was key. Neither of those in the future.
For those who’ve read my story before, I apologize. I type it from time to time to keep in practice (and to see if I can make it a little clearer each time).
Oh man, this is all Andrea Greenspan. Ever since he was an Ayn Rand twerp in the 1950s, he’s been trying to impart her “Gimme Gimme” attitude on the world. Never understood why this dude was allowed to create this false myth that he was some sort of genius. Wasn’t it a clue when all the Repubs praised him for years?
His tenure at the Fed was guided by her “Me First” philosophies, and they will always lead to total collapse. Always.
I think we’re talking about the flip side of the same coin… the desire for the appearance of growth and prosperity in the absence of real productivity-level wage and output increases. I think I’m also focused on the behavior of firms… including the LBO boom. Companies borrowed heavily to finance acquisitions, etc, at absurd amounts of leverage merely to harness the leverage-enhanced returns and pocket them instead of instroducing real synergies (the traditional motivator of acquisition and acquisition finance)… because there really weren’t any to be had. Politicians encouraged this type of increasingly irresponsibility behavior, both on the part of consumers (to your point) and corporations (to mine). Nothing was real. Nothing had a trajectory to it. We are now reaping the consequences of all this.
mesquite, eCahn, both good points.
Unlawful taking of property.
We’re all really lucky to have him wherever he blogs. I’ve been following Ian and Stirling around various sites since I first found them back around 2002-2003 at the old (now defunct) BOPnews site. They’re always a wealth of information and insight.
Another nice thing about both of them is that they tend to both draw knowledgeable and insightful commenters to wherever they post. Therefore, you also start getting the benefits of the commenters perspectives as well. Sometimes some of the interactions almost seem like a well-practiced orchestra, or perhaps a better description might be a jazz band, as they’ll constantly riff off of one another’s ideas.
So, indeed, count yourself lucky, as I certainly do! And, if you hit a point where you don’t see a post from either one of them for awhile, be sure to google and find out where they’ve surfaced next. Sometimes it’ll be at the same site, and sometimes it won’t, but there’s always a wealth of information wherever they surface.
Instead of this trickle-down boondoggle, how about providing essential credit directly to responsible borrowers and lenders on ‘Main Street’, by subsidizing the difference between the market rate and an affordable rate for home, student, payroll, and auto loans.
Two reasons:
1) Congress took the Bush/Paulson plan as a starting point.
2) This is a free country and government ‘helps’ or ‘regulates’, but doesn’t ‘require’ except when it absolutely has to do something to protect everybody.
Right now we’re hoping the EESA bailout/rescue and “HOPE for homeowners” works, so government doesn’t have to go to more forceful tactics.
Taking the words out of my mouth. I have been trying to explain this to my co-workers and fiancee that they blew their wad by keeping rates so low and letting the inflation blossom.
I would also argue that they blew their wad on the 700 billion bailout. I know it is not spent yet, but I bet it will be in short order. Once we spend it and it doesn’t work, well then we are in really big trouble.
I don’t know if anyone else saw this. I just watched this via Patrick.net on youtube. Who do you think was threatening marshall law?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....atrick.net
I sure as hell would like to know.
Doing one of my random de-lurks to once again express my sincerest thanks to Ian for these enlightening posts on a complex situation.