Americans understood last night which candidate can be trusted with our country in his hands. Obama/Biden ‘08!

“That one.”
http://www.cafepress.com/xerotopia.315025991

I’m very worried. saw one poll last night that had McCain winning 86-12.

Didn’t take ‘em long to capitalize on that one to make a buck.

Love it!

That was on Fixed News, right?

Drudge or Fox?

FOX. How’d you and SoDrag guess?

The handshake that was, it turns out.

During CNN’s post-debate show, Campbell Brown presented various poll statistics which showed McCain trailing Obama by 20% or more.

Thanks for getting the video, BT. I just watched and McCain didn’t even look in Obama’s direction when he said “That one”. I can’t believe Obama didn’t react. How can he stay so calm when McCain is sputtering such bullshit?

Roger on that. Immediately after the end of the debate, the two shook hands.

I was surprised that McSFB actually said he wanted to cut spending for the war department. I guess that privatizing everything but the troops is his idea of cutting spending. Wish I still lived in my hometown, DC. I’d spend every lunch hour in front of the WH with a really nasty, if not obscene, sign.

Who performed McWorser..McCan’t or McBrokaw?

It’s not hard identifying the village idiot at a Mensa gathering.

Brokaw and McCain were both losers. McCain is beginning to appear a broken man, rather sad. Brokaw is just another rich celebrity pundit who last night had so much makeup on he looked like a wooden puppet. I thought he might have been sitting on Brit Humes lap. Hang it up Tom and spend more time with your family.

Um, no. Let’s go to the video tape.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php

“Everything I even learned I learned from a Chief Petty Officer”. Uh huh.

That FOX poll was hilarious. Afgter the Biden/Palin debate they had a DEM on and he mentioned the polls that showed Biden winning and Hannity almsot jumped ouytta his shorts – “Those are snap polls they don’t mean anything!!” They did mention their Text message poll last night, though. LOL. I always watch FOX after debated as long as possible and that’s usually awhile. Hillarious. In post debate analysis Hannity talked about Ayers who wasn’t even mentioned in the debate. Great analysis. But I guess it shows what they’re gonna continue to do. McCain is above such things and didn’t mention it. Surrogates talk about nothing else. Rove was saying Obama was “weak” and McCain scored on jsut about every question. But i flip around and was watching on msnbc. Tweet’s immediate reaction was along the lines of “That was taking the gloves off? People are gonna want to know why McCain won’t do his own dirty work.”

I’d like to remind people of the following story:

Eliot Spitzer and the sub-prime crisis.

LOL!

Breaking news,

Chuck Todd is still an idiot.

Check TPM again. They’ve corrected their story.

Chief’s didn’t look like that when I was in the Navy. That guy looked like he’d have a coronary just getting to his GQ station.

So if you can’t look a political opponent in the eye and shake his hand McCain must think the president operates in a cockpit 30,000′ above the world. Try to imagine what it’s like to bomb innocent children and convince yourself you’re serving the country, when in fact you just fattened the bottom line for some greedy corporation. It must be a great trait never to look into the eyes of those, who never heard of the USA, right before you murder them.
Must be something to fly far above God’s green earth and unleash jellied gasoline on men, woman,grandparents and BABIES. I could have got in on the killing back then but I knew better.

That war was unconstitutional and so is this bloodbath in Iraq. Let’s follow the constitution for a change.

speaking of handshakes….. McCain tipped after about 10 mintes. Barack and Michelle stuck around for hanshakes – not rope line touching, real handshakes- chatting, pictures and autographs. I think approached talked with every single person. Hell he might still be there. And McCain let him have the camera all to himself the entire time looking like a great guy, smiling and taking time with people. McCain is such a friggin’ dope for leaving. I heard on S-SPAN they even explained why they were only showing Obama – not favoritism. McCain wasn’t there.

Thanks. Missed that.

Ifill vs Brokaw, the winner by unanimous decision, Ifill.

One thought i had this morning. Do we really need these debates? Or is it “debates”? Bottom line, they suck. Can’t we just scrap that commision next election. At least for one election?

Livin tda vida loco

I cannot understand how someone who is so contemptuous and rude to someone with whom he disagrees be even considered for the job he is seeking. How the hell can this jerk work across the aisle; how can this jerk work with foreign leaders to reduce tension in the world.
This rude crude a**hole has managed during the campaign to ratchet up tensions with Russia, and has alienated Spain.

One of thsoe things where they both hit the floor and the ref alternates counting them out. they were both losers. But Ifill was realistic and kinda threw up her hands and figured there’s nothing she can do. she’s right. no more of this bullshit.

Got my “I’m a Constitution Voter” bumper sticker from the ACLU yesterday. Goin’ on my truck afore I head out to the great capitalist cesspool.

Raven and SouthernDragon -

Knowing nothing about the military, is there any possibility of mcsame’s statement being true…..as is, what would he have learned from a chief petty officer?

Couple of days ago, democracynow had a segment on how the “debates” had deteriorated since the League of Women Voters was booted by both major parties.

He works across the aisle with Lieberman. /s

That is “First Dude” please. Anyone know when are the troopergate liars supposed to honour their subpoenas, is it before or after the final report?

Just like Bush before him, he’ll have his VP call and threaten the lives of the members of Congress and their children. See? That is ‘reaching across the aisle’ to the neocons.

Okay, going to work. Have a great day! (And SouthernDragon….’capitalist cesspool’ is right! Jees. What a couple of schmucks we are for participating in it. LOL)

If we can get them away from the “commission” and back to the League of Women Voters before 2012 we might, repeat might, have a credible venue.

The Presidential Debate Commission reminds me of the commission of the 5 families back in Lucky Luciano’s day. Biggest difference is Luciano’s tailor was better.

Bom Dia, SouthernDragon.

I proudly put on my sticker yesterday. Vive le Consitution.

Last I heard, we are still on track for a report Friday. First Dood is supposed to send his written responses in today. I guess the other interviews will be today and tomorrow to make the report by Friday.

Mine goes on the truck this morning, too.

Very serious shit with Russia. One thing to be a nut whendealing with allies. They can be insulted but will mostly laugh at you. Quite another when dealing with Russia. they ain’t laughin’. and this guy says Obama is irresposible when he t alks foreign policy? Shit.

Does anyone have a back story or some explanation as to why McCain was suggesting the CEO of eBay as his choice for Treasury Secretary? Especially since eBay just dismissed a crapload of employees. And since McCain thinks computers are foreign objects, and the internet is a foreign language that he doesn’t understand? what does John McCain know about eBay?

LOL. You don’t like McCain’s tailor?

Does anyone have a back story or some explanation as to why McCain was suggesting the CEO of eBay as his choice for Treasury Secretary?

Yeah. He’s demented.

In the Navy Chief Petty Officers are god. On board ship, the “Chief” is responsible for the training of all the men in his division. Junior officers rely on their chiefs to kept them from screwin’ up and actually learn more from them than they ever did at the Academy or in NROTC.

How could he not, with Short Ride’s lips glued to his ass.

But in fairness, I’ll ahve to search my memory but that was one of the dumbest questions in debate history—asking candidates to start filling out their cabinet before the election. dumb.

The corporatists do not own (yet) the league of women voters.

ShortRide is who again? Lieberperson?

Does McCain even know what eBay is?

heh,

we need to go back to a time where the candidates don’t set the rules for the debates.

Dick “Dick” Morris say Obama is peaking too soon. i don’t think. Soemthing could happen that will hurt him, but if not I think it’s momentum ,not peaking.

All seven of those who were called into answer questions under oath in the ‘Troopergate’ investigation have now done so.
http://news.bostonherald.com/n…..position=6

what does John McCain know about eBay?

Doncha know? That’s where Sarah sold the state jet! (Not!)

I was thinking of the members of the Debate Commission and their $2000 suits.

sure, that’s down the coast of Mexico where he hooked up with some blonde chick

Now Mc Cain has that banshee Karen Hughes on!

Does anyone have a back story or some explanation as to why McCain was suggesting the CEO of eBay as his choice for Treasury Secretary?

Whittman is redmeat to the old, establishment Republicans – and not necessarily to the snake handlers that have overtaken the Party

Yeppur.

Wrong “Todd”.

I was referencing Chuck Todd of MSNBC who said the outcome of the debate was decided when the Dow closed down 508 points yda.

As if there was nothing poor McGramps could do last night to win the debate.

More breaking news:

Mark Halperin is also an idiot.

He just said he wanted more emotion out of Obama, and then made some crack about “our first Vulcan President”.

I generally think Todd is OK in te sense that there are many worse. Buit what the heck is this? Is he on drugs?

To McCain’s credit, he got stronger in the second half and really found his groove during the foreign policy portion of the encounter. If this debate had gone another half hour, it would have done McCain some good. He was just getting warmed up.

I thought McCain’s strongest moment came during the Russia question which also coincidentally was Obama’s weakest. Obama doesn’t have a good Russia answer just yet.

My father-in=law was a See Bee Officer in WWII, Civil Engineer. He never told any of the See Bees how to do their jobs bt he damn sure listened to him. NCO’s are the backbone of the military, the ones who really make it work. How that relates to the fly boys, SD may have a better understanding.

Aw, shit, I thought she’d gone back to The Land That Time Forgot.

Thankee; nice concise explanation that even I can understand. *g*

Kinda convenient there just happened to be one of them chosen to ask a question and for mcsame to compliment, wasn’t it? :-(

Boy, I slaughtered that post!

Oh. But since I’ve asked, didja like McCains suit?

Does anyone have a back story or some explanation as to why McCain was suggesting the CEO of eBay as his choice for Treasury Secretary?

That would be because he couldn’t reveal his real choice — Phil ‘economic destruction’ Gramm.

nonsense. i’d be happy with that.

He does since palin “sold” (NOT) the AK plane on it.

except for all the misspelled words

Reminds me of an old joke. When Jacoby and Myers first started putting law offices in Sears stores (like the H&R Block outlets where Todd and Sarah had their taxes done!) in California, a local DJ put together a spoof with the tag line “Jacoby and Myers: suits, legal and polyester.

I’m gonna set up shop as a mind reader…….tapped your channel loud and clear. 707

Maybe he ordered the Video Professor eBay edition.

Mornin’ All,

something that got completely lost last night – Senator Obama’s mention of the US Chamber of Commerce endorsing his Healthcare plan over McCrazy’s .

I looked it up -

The officials, with organizations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable and the National Federation of Independent Business predicted in recent interviews that the McCain plan, which eliminates the exclusion of health benefits from income taxes, would accelerate the erosion of employer-sponsored health insurance and do little to reduce the number of uninsured from 45 million…

anyone following along the last 8 years understands the significance – these organizations have been official cheerleaders of all things Bush/Republics

Joe Scar is about to lose his mind.

He knows this election is over, and the worst Rethug nightmare may be realized; 60 Democratic seats in the Senate.

He knows this means hearings, lots and lots of hearings on Capitol Hill.

LOL. Great minds, and all that…

I enjoyed that CSPAN roundtable just now, I like the editorial page editor from teh Washington Times, she seems frank. Nice pair to have for the debate wrap-up.

Now up:
8:30-9:00 NELL MINOW
The Corporate Library
Founder http://www.thecorporatelibrary.com
Topic: Discuss issues related to the Financial Market Law relating to executive compensation. The bill calls for Wall Street firms assisted by the government to limit the amount of compensation their top executives receive. Ms. Minow testified on Monday in front of the House Oversight and Government Reform hearing on Lehman Brothers. Segment is part of a series looking at the Financial Services Law this week.

and I liked “Green behind the ears” That’s kinda gross if ya think about it.

That would be because he couldn’t reveal his real choice — Phil ‘economic destruction’ Gramm.

That could be correct. I thought he was trying to appeal to ‘the cool kids’. Like, “See, kids, I’m pretty hep after all, hehn! But, still, Get Off My Lawn!”

Greg Palast is in agreement with you.

Kinda dumpy. By the way he sat and walked around I think he’s having trouble with his hips. He didn’t look at all comfortable sitting and his movements around the stage looked like someone in need of a hip replacement. Looking at pix covering the period between his release and now it looks like ROM in both arms is decreasing. I don’t doubt that he’s in pain a lot of the time.

Wow,great catch. Would make a great Oxdown diary (hint, hint).

i am the worst–worst-person here for that. i put up commenst and can’t even read them myself sometimes.

Didn’t ya know we got rid of the spelling police a long time ago?

Not only hearings but real jail time.

Too bad they won’t be able to drag his sorry ass in front of one of them.

couple things i noticed: he was walking around behind Obama’s back sometimes (although i diodn’t see Brokaw motion for him to sit down as some have said.) and also the way he just dropped the mike from one hand and snapped it up with the other like he was real happy with his answer. “nailed it!” jerk.

Dick “Dick” Morris say Obama is peaking too soon. i don’t think. Soemthing could happen that will hurt him, but if not I think it’s momentum ,not peaking.

Yeah, that’s brilliant analytical work there.

Clearly, Obama’s campaign should do everything they can to stop their rise in the polls right now, then turn it on again in two weeks, or whenever the Dick says they should.

A-hole.

I’m sposed t be edcumacated

My son is an AF pilot and has a great relationship with and respect for his NCO’s. Especially when on missions they keep each other alive.

now it looks like ROM in both arms is decreasing.

It almost looks like his upper arms are glued to his body from shoulder to elbow.

Talk about ah idjit’s description vs. your very professional sounding medical one. *hanging head in shame*

Me too and all it does is get me in trouble. *g*

…as is, what would he have learned from a chief petty officer?

there is also the possibility that the mention is Std McPow boilerplate – ’cause that’s what a “great warrior” is supposed to say – right outta hollywood

further, I am willing to bet anyone with the stomach to go through his 5 books will find it’s a different character in at least 3 of ‘em – the CPO, some Gunny in another, with a “crusty, but benign” Air Boss thrown in another :D

Now, this one I know is on drugs. Cindy sez Obama dirtiest campaign in history.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..32751.html

Also related to debate comments last night and accusations palin’s been throwing around on the campaign trail:

“Report confirms heavy Afghan civilian toll”

Sorry, no linky; reading from back page of section “A” in local paper. Should be able to check teh goggle using title and author (Eric Schmitt – NYT News Service).

Air Boss is the officer on the carrier in charge of air operations.

LOL … missed you last night during the debate marathon

30 civilians confirmed dead
NYT

Pretty much my train of thought as well….it’d take a stronger stomach than mine to wade thru’ anything he’s supposed to have written to find out tho’.

yeppers, was just tryin’ to think in the most cliched of terms :D

Still, there were a few Lt’s (and I guess Ensign’s) who didn’t get the flick and were eaten up with their awsome responsibility. I knew one who referred to NCO’s several years older than him as “son”. My guess is that McCain’s ego, Maverick nature, and hereditary nobility would have put him closer to being a young prick.

thank you. was just about to add that everything we’ve read of this guy tells us the NCO’s would have hated him – Admiral’s son or not

Winning their hearts and minds, one civilian corpse at a time.

And before you get to mouthing off, last night’s game was only pre-season!

I didn’t watch the debate (I don’t need to in order to know who I will NEVER EVER EVER vote for) but did pop by to read reactions on various blogs – to get the feel for how things were going.

I keep reading that Obama avoided answering a number of questions, perhaps more that McInsane avoided. What questions was Obama avoiding answering?

image humor from a Kossack

I don’t imagine McSFB was very popular with the enlisted men. One of the first things they teach in leadership school is respect must be commanded, not demanded. McSFB was probably one of those who thought his background warranted respect and acted accordingly.

Or maybe just explain to the commission what an actual debate is like and ask for a couple in a real debate format.

Like McSFB, all of them.

You know, as an Air Force person myself, I gotta say that airstrikes should really REALLY be barred from use except in extremely circumscribed situations. Bombing a rail yard, a military complex, a headquarters building, or hitting troops in a ground support role where there is a clear battle line and no mishmash of civilians – OK, they can be useful – but the way they are bandied around in Afghanistan… It is a disaster (and a crime) to be bombing villages or simply various and sundry collections of people. It seems more often than not they are simply murdering civilians and destroying wedding parties.

The shit has GOT to stop.

Given what AIG did after they got their bailout in terms of throwing themselves a big part and securing senior management’s bonuses, Elliot Spitzer starts to look like a visionary…a nasty, SOB visionary…but a visionary, nonetheless:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/2…..0/aig_pwc/
” New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer sued American International Group Thursday, alleging the firm manipulated its books to deceive regulators and the investing public.
The civil lawsuit, announced in conjunction with the State Insurance Superintendent, comes just days ahead of the embattled insurer’s long-awaited annual financial report, which is due to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission Tuesday.
The suit charges that the nation’s biggest business insurer, ex-CEO Maurice “Hank” Greenberg and former CFO Howard Smith engaged in fraud to falsely exaggerate the strength of the company’s business and prop up its stock price. ...The suit cites e-mails and other evidence intended to show that Greenberg was personally involved in negotiating some of the fraudulent transactions, and that he directed other AIG staffers to create other misleading transactions, the statement said.

That’s funny.

ROFL … don’t worry, Toronto sports teams peak during the pre- season … it’s all downhill from there

Found the following over at the link to Sullivan (not from him, but from some knucklehead he quoted),

The silver lining: Obama and the Democrats are going to own this godawful mess. And the conservative movement can clear the deadwood out of the way, and start to rebuild itself into a credible force.

In his dreams. Like everyone is gonna forget what party oversaw the creation of this horror show.

JHFC, these guys really do live in Fantasyland, don’t they.

Christy post upstairs

Obama closing the deal

Off to swim in the great capitalist (bwahahahahahaha) cesspool.

There wasn’t anything great about the Depression.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

Careful, the party in power at the time of the collapse, whether they are truly responsible for it or not, takes the brunt of the heat for it. The only way the Dems make out OK is if they start out strongly helping regular human beings rather than big corporate donors and wall streeters. If the economy continues its avalanche collapse, the Dems MUST ensure protections and survival for REGULAR AMERICANS first and foremost or they will eat shit…and the GOP will help feed it to them regardless of the fact that the GOP largely (though not exclusively – I’m talking to YOU Bill Clinton and your Robert Rubin and PELOSI) is responsible for the mess.

My guess is that McCain was heading fast for the men’s room. Old men’s problem; also explains the length of his absence and later return. He also takes meds for a “kidney ailment”.

I guess he figured a fast exit was preferable to the alternative.

Great news for fans of Amy Whitehouse … Church of Scientology is make her all better

That always bugs me too … and when they call Adolf “The Greatest Villain” …

Nah, he had to get a list of talking points for “meet and greet”

“I thought you were dead”

“Good ta see ya”

“Thanks for coming” … don’t touch that one … never mind

Yeah, CBL maybe you could get the dirty biker to help you. Write about going from middle class ta poor in one presidential administration.

When the Navy chief petty officer’s question was announced by Brokaw there was a warning bell went off in my sensing apparatus. With the handshake and shoulder pat by McCain and his remark to NCP, my thoughts shouted: “PLANT”. Subtle (?) direction of subconscious to McCain’s Navy service (think POW).

last question in the debate; last impression is Navy, POW.

My last impression was “You sorry SOB!”

almost all of them. par for the course in a deabte. every debate. every candidate. i’m sick of these “debates.”

I didn’t see the return.

As much as I love to trash McCain, “the non-handshake” should come off the list.

The TPM post that you link to was corrected. They actually did shake hands, and exchanged a brusque man-hug too. We didn’t see it at first because it happened during the reverse angle from behind the candidates, during which McCain was blocking the shot (and Brokaw’s view of the prompter). TPM later put up a video that shows a different angle, and a handshake.

No big deal — but with all the real reasons to dis McCain, we don’t need to cite ones that can be debunked.

Even Faux Noise rates it an O win over McC…understandably by a smaller margin then the others and it’s poll on the last debate…but even the kool-aid drinkers there were impressed by O!