So, central banks around the world, including the Chinese, amazingly, all cut rates by .5%. The reason, as one trader friend said to me "I was watching the FTSE open, and it just fell off a cliff." Which is to say, overnight foreign markets tanked.
The result of the rate cuts? Well at the end of the day, the DOW was down 189.01. Better than falling off a cliff, but not exactly a recovery, was it? This puts the Fed funds rate at 1.5%. Given that 3 month annualized core inflation (ex energy and food) is running 3.4% and overall inflation is running at 7.2%, this means the Fed isn’t just giving money away, it’s effectively paying banks to take it, and that’s before you get to the Fed’s announcement that it will start paying interest on reserves.
When you get to this level, and the economy is still in the doldrums, it’s a sign that monetary policy is becoming ineffective. Japan gave money away for most of a couple decades, and it didn’t do a damn thing. Banks may be able to borrow for cheap, but they don’t much want to lend right now because it’s not worth their while. Bear in mind inflation is running somewhere between 5 and 7%, to stay even with inflation they have to lend at interest rates higher than that.
Most of the problems in the credit markets are in short term credit. Usually that stuff is very cheap. The Fed wants it to stay very cheap. The banks, however, see no reason to lend to people for below the rate of inflation plus a profit, especially when default risk is seen as relatively high. To put it more simply, the rate that would certainly get banks lending in the short term markets again (other than treasuries) is somewhere between 8.5% and 10.5%. (1.5% cost of money + inflation + 2% profit). You might be able to get them to lend at no profit, no loss, with a bit of arm bending. Color that number 6.5% to 8.5%.
You can see why banks aren’t eager to lend to the short term markets. What is more likely to help the situation is inflation dying down, and there’s every reason to think it will, as the economy goes into the doldrums and oil continues to drop. Ironically, however, all this pump priming and flooding the world with money is inflationary. I suspect it won’t stop inflation from slowing anyway, but it will make that decrease in inflation less than it would have been otherwise. It is quite probable that Fed and Treasury actions over the past year have actually making the situation worse rather than better, by not allowing inflation to die, and thus not making it worth it for banks to lend.
As for priming the stock market? Doubt that’ll work either. Investors and traders are worried about fundamentals, and until they’re convinced those are fixed (and a .5% drop won’t fix squat), they aren’t going to really rally.
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Is there any news that doesn’t feel like doom? This is the consequence of letting Bush and the Republics have power.
Once, just once, I would like to wake up without reading “The Fed Board invoked emergency powers to…” in the morning news.
Exactly. They have made the problem worse.
They have made the problem worse by changing the rules in the middle of the game. Further changing of the rules will just make it worse.
The stupidest bailout plan ever needs to be scrapped. They need to make the bad banks fail and let the good ones prevail. That will go along way to calming fears. Once people know who to trust, the money should start to flow. Flooding the market with more treasuries is not the answer.
Repeal the Bailout plan!
I hear what you are saying.
Cold Sweat
And AIG needed another 37.5 billion
Drive by
When no one wants to borrow or spend to get the economy moving the government must is what I think Keynes would say.
Hybrid cars would giving America a return on its investment by dropping demand for gas and giving Detroit jobs.
Ian, should Obama keep Bernanke or replace him? If he should replace him, who would be best?
There was a question earlier today, regarding suggestions for economists whom Obama should seek out for sound, rational, thoughtful and reasonable ‘advice’.
At this time, I should like to nominate Ian Welsh.
Do I hear a second?
Isn’t the FED chairman appointed for a term and not at the pleasure of the pres
We were going through all this today at the Faculty Club. Here’s my take. We are going into a wrenching depression that will be fully apparent within six weeks when the low expectations of holiday spending turn out to be several times too high. The lay-offs will start sooner, because firms that rely on short-term credit to finance inventories and wage bills simply will be out of cash. Presumably they can delay their rents, but unless they print out token money their workers can spend in a company store, they will be out of luck with their workers.
As to potential inflation: what the Fed giveth it can taketh away. It has been or will be buying financial assets to issue the new money. It can sterilize that money by reversing the transaction. The question is whether political pressure will prevent Bernanke from doing that when it becomes necessary. It’s basically a crap shoot at this point. We won’t have a clear idea what’s happening to aggregate saving until a few months into the new year. At that point we may be able to figure out a stabilization policy that works. Right now there isn’t anyhthing. There can’t be anything. The crisis is simply too big. The best that can be done is to stabilize the financial system. The economy is going to have to take the hit until the monetary system is fixed.
Shows how much I know…
Bonddad’s take
Get rid of Bernanke, of course. Give Stiglitz the job, if he wants it. Get rid of Paulson, give it to Reich.
I always did like Reich.
When are they going to reverse it? And why would you assume Bernanke intends to do anything right, since he’s done nothing right yet?
Lots of things can be done in theory, but every time these guys are faced with a major policy choice, they always go with their own crackpot theories.
What is actually happening is that since banks won’t lend, the Fed is just taking over their business piece by piece and doing the lending themselves.
I loves me some Reich.
Yes. But if Obama made a formal request I doubt Bernanke would refuse.
A coke to you!
I’m not an economist, just an econoblogger. Still, I couldn’t do any worse than most of the people he’s got advising him now. Nonetheless, there are definitely better candidates than me.
Resignations need to be called for Bush and Cheney!!!
They’ve destroyed our economy.
They’ve destroyed our reputation.
Our soldiers have died for their lies.
The 9th Ward is still in shambles.
Just throw Hugh’s list at them.
I need a drink.
I second! It’s not like he hasn’t been exactly right on all this chit since BEFORE it hit the fan!
Ian, compile a list of your best and favorite hits and forward it to Obi1!!
Can’t HURT anything.
That is really scary.
They would claim mission accomplished.
Isn’t this new role for the FED a step towards nationalizing the banks?
the Fed is stepping in to lend to these folks, so I’m not so sure this will happen.
Instead of direct nationalization what seems to be happening is that they’re just taking over their role step by step. It’s an odd way to do things.
Seconded, Thirded, Fourthed . . .
wish y’all could see these Masters of the Universe I wait on – they are absolutely stunned by what I know and how I seem to know it before they do
all of it due to having the genuine pleasure of reading Ian Welsh – really don’t know what is more impressive, what he knows or how he imparts it to iliterates like me without ever dumbing it down – simply amazing
fan girl fuh life !!!
They are doing that hoping that no one will notice until after the election.
Ian, the exception was Japan; it did not lower it’s rates.
From my diary (except embedded links)’I want to be a boss’:
“Libor, set by 16 banks in a daily survey by the British Bankers’ Association at about noon in London, determines rates on $360 trillion of financial products worldwide, from home loans to derivatives. Member banks provide estimates on how much it would cost to borrow in 10 currencies for periods ranging from a day to a year. “
AGAIN, who are these banks? Take the suckers over and get rid of those in charge !!
Morici: Banks aren’t doing their share
There used to be (and some banks still follow this rule) a rule “borrow at 3, loan at 6, be on the gold course at 3″. Guess that wasn’t good enough for many others.
Citizen JimWhite:
Isn’t the Fed Chair on a fixed appointment that is safe from politics?
I would think that they might perceive it to be a strategy that they could reverse more easily should things improve.
wiki -
The chairman is appointed by the President, subject to Senate confirmation, to a four year term. In practice the chairman is often re-appointed,
Yep. Once the crooks have their boy in place it is near impossible to rid ourselves of the pest.
Question: Where has all the money gone?
You shatter my delusions, Ian.
“Better” is a relative word.
Should you not wish said job, whom would you suggest might best be able, all things considered, to, if not ’steer’ us outta this mess, then, at least, to articulate clearly how we might develope a better economic ‘game’, in the macro sense.
I’m looking for transcendent thought here, Ian, not pulling chestnuts outta the fire and not being obsequious to the pathetic assertion of kowtowing to the myth of the ‘unseen hand’.
I want to hear adults discussing a SUSTAINABLE and EQUITABLE economic future, not some warmed-over pablum.
In any event, thank you, Ian, for your consistency and your courage in saying things that others are too fearful to even mutter.
Sounds more like promises and paper to me…what is money really? Exchange. Sleight of hand…smoke and mirrors…eggs and bacon…
Ultimately it has to flow…I give you this for that and you can give that for that..on and on.
Economy sounds like a big pyramid scam that never ends until everyone figures out that “this”…is just another piece of paper. You can’t eat it.
This is like pouring salt into the wound.
Less than 24 hours after it’s brought to peoples’ attention that the execs at AIG went on a $400,000 junket Paulson has the balls to give them another $37.5 billion. This is pure Bush disgust for the popular will and the “I’ll do whatever the f*ck I want to” from Paulson who now wields more power than anyone in the administration short of Cheney…yes he’s got more power than our own Nero at this point.
They got what they wanted and no one is happy about it but all we get is the giant middle finger and a smirk.
Roubini has put forth several ’suggestions’ regarding what actions need to be taken to “a SUSTAINABLE and EQUITABLE economic future”.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
It is the lack of political leadership both currently in office and those seeking office that will not step up to the plate and say what really needs to be done.
The silver lining here (FWIW) is that the worse the economy gets the better Obama’s chances.
It’s being comingled with what’s left of the Castle Bank, Nugan Hand, BCCI, BNL, and S&L money in some offshore tax haven so the perps can divvy it up at a later time.
AIG is a wonderful company with long time ties to the “intelligence community” just like Castle and Nugan Hand. Bush pere’s buddies are laughing as they sit and count their ducats invested in Carlyle Group as the rest of the world worries about making ends meet.
We need a giant douche of the National Security State starting with the Bush and Baker families.
The economic theories are all constructs; reality is what everyone believes and has faith in. The faith has been shattered. The commercial banks etc. were allowed to develop a group think that was not tempered by any critical opposition.
Bush doesn’t want power. That would mean having to actually do some hard work. Bush wants a ceremonial position that let’s him spend most of his time doing stuff like riding his bike.
Ian,
found this while doing some googling on FDR and his Fed Chair – it’s the first meeting of American Banking Association after FDR took the White House. some eerily familiar sounding quotes in there . . .
“Hoarders of available credit are little better than hoarders of currency…”
different time, different circumstances, but thought you might enjoy it :D
Lisa up over at the Silo on McCain and Zombies. (Well Zombie movies anyway.)
You are not taking into account tipping-point (or perhaps disaster) politics.
If he shares a good part of the blame for the mess we are in he is gone.
Would that be filed under: Hopes; audacious.?
In a sane and rational world, what you say would be true.
However …
James, you might want to take a look at my diary ‘I want to be the boss’ at the end where I posted some info about the ‘Security State’ in the UK;
in other ‘news’:”Some Signs of a Thaw in the Credit Freeze”
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com…..reeze.html
BUT “Now to place that in dollars and sense terms for the taxpayers of the USA I offer this. On that bond every basis point is worth a little more than $600 per million bonds. Multiply by 40 basis points and you get $24,000 per million. The auction size of $10 billion equates to 10000 million. Multiply by 24,000 and the product is $240,000,000.
In a market to market sense it cost the taxpayers that enormous sum to underwrite the auction today.”
And why do you think that will change things? Not being smarmy but really wanting to know why you think electing him will make a difference in the finances of everyday people or the nation?
Stiglitz, Krugman, maybe Dean Baker.
Ian, FYI:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com…..-risk.html
“It is the lack of political leadership both currently in office and those seeking office that will not step up to the plate and say what really needs to be done.” that has me so pessimistic(or reality based depending on one’s POV)
It is so nice to see someone who gets it. This is a market failure, and lowering interest rates will just make things worse. I keep hearing about a shortage of money, but I have money to invest, but there is no point in lending it to anyone except the government because ALL corporate risks are higher, and they won’t pay me a risk premium. In fact, the only entities offering me a risk premium are government entities selling tax exempt bonds! That’s right. The free market in credit only applies to the public sector. Private companies need to be protected from free enterprise.
Of course, the real problem has been rising productivity without rising wages. As in the 1920s, the economy took off, but wages trailed behind. Eventually, then as now, the lack of sustainable aggregate demand brings the economy to its knees.
Thanks, that’s a site I visit regularly along with Brad Delong’s.
Nothing in there hegates my thoughts on where our money is going and the institutions through which Bush drug money is being laundered.
Thanks, Ian;
I know that Stiglitz has already ‘advised’ Obama so he might well get an ongoing listen.
Dean Baker is certainly good, and his ‘input’ could only be an equally good influence on Obama.
Krugman was, perhaps, a little too willing to accept the Paulson ‘bail-out’, but that would certainly put him in Obama’s ‘company’.
Nonetheless, it is my hope that Obama has someone who checks in at FDL, to see what you have to say about things, on a regular basis, if for no other reason than that you tend to keep the focus on actaul human consequence in the real world.
This ‘perspective’ which you articulate most ably, can only bolster whatever inputs Stiglitz, Baker and Krugman might be able to ‘impress’ upon Obama.
It’s not like some people have been screaming forever that if you kill the unions and ship jobs overseas so our homies have half the income then people won’t have money to buy stuff.
It’s not like some people haven’t been screaming forever that if you stay addicted to oil that you’re going to be shipping boatloads of cash overseas.
It’s not like some people haven’t been screaming forever that if you let the health care industry have carte blanche to set their prices that they will eventually bankrupt us all.
It’s not like everybody is blind. It’s just that the ones making money thought their fantasy would last forever and they could just bail out with a golden parachute.
Americans have known what was coming.
Republicans hastened it for their own greedy purposes.