10:18 Pach is right about Obama's nicer imperialism. George Bush and John McCain have pulled off the amazing feat of making me pine for neoliberalism as a sensible, moral approach to foreign policy, which it is not, *except in relation to neoconservatism.* (Thers)
10:16 I think we just say Obama expose McCain on "speak softly" with his "bomb bomb Iran," and McCain is struggling to recover. This is not McCain strong area; it's now his weakness. Obama's replies are winning this debate. (Scarecrow)
10:15 Could McCain be a little more desperate to avoid follow up questions? The man has been in congress for more than two decades. He ought to be able to handle a fellow Senator asking a question. (Julia)
10:15 McCain knows how to get bin Laden, but he won't tell anybody... not even Dubya. (Eli)
10:14 Snark aside, this is weird. McCain says we ought not to go into kill Pakistan to kill Bin Laden if we know exactly where he is, we should not, because of Pakistani public opinion. But he was in favor of attacking Iraq, where Bin Laden wasn't, Iraqi public opinion be damned. WTF? (Thers)
10:14 Obama taking serious wood to McCain's ass on Bomb bomb bomb Iran, etc. McCain national security brand is taking on serious damage. And he's getting pissed off. (Pach)
10:12 McCain "we drove the Russians out with the Afghan Freedom Fighters" - does he realize those were Bin Laden and the Taliban? (Siun)
10:12 McCain pretending/complaining that he hasn't been getting follow-ups. Lovely. (Eli)
10:11 McCain back on not talking about intent to attack in advance. But he did it on Iraq with Saddam. Not that I care for Obama's kinder, gentler imperialism. (Pach)
10:11 Obama response on Pakistan makes the CNN voter meter go way up ... as soon as McCain starts to speak, it plummets then flatlines. (Siun)
10:10 McCain: we need a cool hand on the tiller to confront terrorism, which is why Sarah palin is my vice presidential choice. My friends, she has seen Russia. And I have looked down her shirt. (Thers)
10:09 Obama saying that Afghanistan is the central front in the War On Terror, and Pakistan is Not Helping. (Eli)
10:07 John McCain thinks we have REDUCED Iranian influence in the Gulf? Iran won the war, you demented maniac. Face it. (Thers)
10:06 McCain's plan is to bring our troops home with victory and honor. Good luck with that. And he just said that we need someone with a "cool hand on the tiller." That was probably not a good idea... (Eli)
10:06 Man, I sure hope no-one out there is playing a "My friends" drinking game... (Eli)
10:04 Obama on Iraq, McCain's misjudgment, etc, with follow up on moral obligation for humanitarian interventions -- very articular answer, work with allies. He's laying a solid foundation for people to have confidence in his competence and judgment. If this keeps up, he'll be the next President. (Scarecrow)
10:04 McCain: Barack Obama was wrong on Thermopylae. And I was right. (Thers)
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Yeahhh! Bad job going into Iraq.
Fitz!
oh made it up here early
Obie is so measured reminds me of my dad
Not anymore, they passed out.
kill bin laden has to be our biggest national security item?
McCain reminiscing about his good friend Teddy Roosevelt.
Obama just laughed at McCain. Deadly.
Johnnie blew the line
708
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.
deadly?
McCain is really starting to just babble now…
If that CNN line was attached to Gramps’ head, he’d be airsick from all the plunges the CNN lines take when he speaks….
Look out below !!
senior moment
GGGGGGGGGGGGGgibberish time
He’s totally flatlining
ok guys he only has 18 minutes to throw his bill ayers punch
…like a brook
Gramps the Grump.
If brokaw is just “the hired help”, then he needs to STFU
Brokaw: It’s been 5 minutes and I’m still a pompous blowhard.
Yeppur. We’re gonna get the hearts and minds of the people by blowing up their villages.
Or whenever Brokaw comes on. That foolish toad.
OUCh! bomb bomb iran
BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN! Yes!
GOBAMA!
GRANDSTAND HOMERUN
there it is Bomb bomb Iran….. fuck yeah, BO finally said it!!!!
Excellent. Obama gets a follow-up, and that asshat Brokaw admits he’s just hired help.
BINGO!!! BO Brings up Bomb bomb IRAN.
I LOVE IT!
Bomb bomb Iran, Good job Obama calling Mccain on his stuff!
Calling out Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. Good response.
I dislike having the camera follow both.
WOW
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran
My hero: Ronald Reagan. Wait. Teddy Roosevelt. Ronald Reagan is just my friend. He said, Talk softly and creep everyone the eff out.
Really like how Brokaw lets McCain ramble and ramble and ramble yet he slaps down Obama. Brokaw is nothing but a frightened celebrity that fears he will lose his pampered and priviledged position. He’s certainly deserving of taking a big fall.
Bomb bomb bomb,
bomb bomb Iran…
McCain dances around all the issues and doesn’t seem to have a clear view of anything. I’m not even sure he could figure out what to eat for dinner tonight, let alone how to run a country.
Obama finishing strong! *g*
After Obi gets elected he will change all his stated positions. Reality will demand new positions.. even if he senses what they will be right now, he won’t say them.
”the same strategy but very different” is that what he said?!
lying poopy pants
Nothing makes a powerful impression on people like a 500 lb bomb.
Obama should ask McCain to explain the Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran JOKE.
McCain is stinkin’ up the place
I was joking about blowing the shit out of Iran - HA HA HA
McCain’s justification for Bomb, Bomb: it was a joke. That joke bombed.
Bomb bomb Iran, Good job Obama calling Mccain on his stuff!
and Gramps has to defend it. Ha!
if he knows how to handle things why doesn’t he tell bush how to get binladen
Cripes, we’re on Round 5!
the bomb iran was he joking with a vet? like THAT makes it ok?
“Looking back upon his handling of the incident, Roosevelt thought he ‘never saw a bluff carried more resolutely through to the final limit.’ And writing to a friend a few days later, he observed: ‘I have always been fond of the West African proverb: “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.” ‘ “
West African proverb!
I’ll get him!
But I’m not gonna tell anybody how. That’s a secret!
eli, you’re so right. not only is he getting follow-ups but he just interrupted obama with what he meant to be a joke.
HEY!
Not true! How can he say that when we saw the tapes! If he knew how to handle these crises, he would have done it already! Asshole! And he’s my Senator, dammit!
If McCain hasn’t brought up POW, I smell it coming up if Obama hits him like that again.
Obama won me over by emphasizing pre-existing conditions not being denied by healthcare plans. Almost everyone has a pre-existing condition and if you do not have a job with a health plan, it’s almost impossible to qualify for healthcare that is of high quality and helps to pay for future medical bills.
Have you ever seen a less convinced-looking group of people in your whole dang life?
I wish McCain will stop calling me his friend…far from…
He’s such a fucking liar! Barack corrected him, and he lied AGAIN anyway! And the CNN audience didn’t buy it. HA!
Every time McGeezer invokes the “Taliban”, I hear Belafonte singing Day-O…
Tally man, Taliban, tally me banana…
he ain’t no walter cronkite that’s for sure
Slacker !
If you would, explain the Bomb Iran joke.
McCain has a secret plan to end the war now he has a secret plan to get Ossama without stepping foot in Pakistan? Is John Magic? Why doesn’t John tell Bush any of his secret plans?
let’s see - Gramps’ foreign policy advisor is the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt, right?
I hope the first thing Obama does as President is decree that Brokaw can never come within 500 miles of the White House.
He is pomposity personified.
“I’ll get him.” But Obama says, “We’ll…”
John, if you are going to go hobbling after UBL all by your lonesome…
707. He is waaaay creepy, aint he?
umm why is Tom asking questions? I could give a fuck what he lays awake at night worried about
He has a lot of heroes, you see Neil…
707
Half of them look catatonic.
Change? Doesn’t sound like much change from either of these dudes.
sorry
And if they take you with a pre-existing condition, they’ll charge you an arm and a leg.
Yes! me too! in fact i put that in my novel this year. Soulmate!
If he brings up POW again, I’ll never vote for him.
Oh wait….
I surprised McCain didn’t come out wearing the pajamas he wore in prison.
Doesn’t Tom Brokaw realize he’s irrelevant?
Who knew the word “hero” would get you three sheets to the wind tonight?
McSFB - Petraeus is the greatest military mind evah. JHFC
Hey Petro! Ummmmmm, my finger got caught between keys G and H and it took me a second to get over here!!! So sue me. LOL
WE are the problem around the world… not them.
Poll prediction: Obama wins 61-39.
Yes and then your missing arm and leg become pre-existing conditions!
that should be:
couldn’t give a fuck
he wasn’t wrong. he voted against going in in the first place. obama should suggest mcsame admit he was wrong about going to iraq in the 1st place.
Oh god, not this again.
If it’s not DRILL! DRILL!! DRILL!!!
it’s PETRAEUS! PETRAEUS!! PETRAEUS!!!
McCain forgot where he was in that sentence. He’s starting to disintegrate.
Post of the Night from the NRO goobers.
Bias [Bill Whittle]
We’re more than halfway through this thing, and it’s been all economy. If Brokaw is selecting these questions, every minute we talk about the economy and healthcare is simply handing the battlespace to Obama. Who agrees to these moderators? What are they thinking?
Yeah, where are the Rev. Wright & Bill Ayers questions?
Ding. In fact in the whole foreign policy section O sounds much more militaristic than Mc. Now reality may be different from what they’re saying tonight, but if you listen to their words ….
Oh yeah, I can’t wait until I can live a normal Iraqi life here in the States
McCrazy - “Same overall strategy” is what we’re after.
And that goddamned Obama still won’t admit he was Wrong!
Goddamned whippersnapper!
hah!
Maybe it’s the moonshine.
you and me both…
McCain the Surge is working? The CNN graph is not buying it. This Iraq war is longer and costs more than WW2 but McCain thinks we are winning.
he might be passed out by now LOL
Hell, they live in Nashville! That’s probably how they survive.
GIBBERISH ALERT
I still think the actual polls (not for tonight but in general) are: 68% to 24%. Seems about right.
I heard he “parachuted” in, does that count?
McCain: No cold war. Bombs create lots o heat
If Petraeus wants an Iraq strategy for Afghanistan then we are really screwed. Petraeus never understood the politics on the ground in Iraq that delivered to him his decrease in violence. It can not be replicated in Afghanistan because the politics are different.
you know. the thing that bothers me is that i live in a nation with that 39%.
i think that graph on CNN is fake…its hardly moving!
He’s channeling Nixon.
LMAO!
McCain is picking a fight with Russia (cold war) when we need Russia to control Iran. STUPID. Last war.
McCain looked into Putin’s eyes. Is he channeling W?
Good gawd, you’re right Kittykitty! But then again, I would have the Americans With Disabilities Act to kick in and back me up. Don’t you love liberal policies? Big Corporate America hates it!
super dumb question on my part: what does 707 mean? I’ve been searching…
Just randomly laughing my ass off, apparently.
This is the first debate I’ve been able to watvh live. But I’m stuck in my office, watching it on-line at C-SPAN. It doesn’t have one of those meters showing how people are responding. Who’s winning?
It seems to me, that - other than lying in almost every phrase he’s uttering - McCain isn’t doing that badly.
”The Russians must bow before me!”
oh here we go: We are all georgians
This is boring. I prefer a revolution of the proletariat and not a bunch of paid pols pushing more of the same and saying it ain’t so.
G’nite.
With Europe getting most of its energy from or by way of Russia, us pushing Russia around ain’t going to happen.
McCain is wanting to use his BIG STICK! Figures seeing how he can’t use his words.
If it were moonshine they’d be dancing in the aisles… Don’t ask me how I know!
progressives are always thinking
Funny! ;-)
Walter Cronkite publicly opposed the Vietnam War in 1968. Brokaw is too much of a coward to question the corporate GE warmonger that he serves.
Sees KGB in Putin eyes.
Seriously, whenever Mc starts talking about military quagmires he sounds like an unhinged person. Just plain deranged.
Nixon lost too and he was an evil genius, McCain is just asleep at the wheel.
“We’re not going to have a Cold War with Russia, unless they object to our continued tomfoolery around the World”
It moves, it’s just that McCain flatlines it.
LOL upside down 707 *g*
What about ‘that one’ vs. ‘me’.
why do we care about Russia right now?
Exactly — and McGeezer is asking us to bet the farm on the Petraeus brand, when Petraeus merely had the luck of entering with a surge of troops after the Shia had already cleared out so many Sunni.
No such deal in Afghanistan, no such conflict.
YEAH!
LOL!
THAT’S a big “beside”……
lol
CNN on tv has Ohio uncommitted voters by women/men.
CNN on the internet has the squiggly lines for Dems/Ind/Rep
and you can see CNN analyst scoreboards and Obama’s ahead
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/…..am=stream1
That’s coming.