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	<title>Comments on: McCain&#8217;s Cronies:  Charles Keating And McCain&#8217;s Failure To Learn Deregulation Lessons</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem with the Republican (nearly Libertarian) ideology with regard to markets is that taken to it’s extreme the deregulation policy can only lead to the total destruction of the corporation and markets. We saw that in 1929 and we may be seeing it again now (despite the fact the real economy isn’t in such horrible shape).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The opposite, over-regulation and government domination &amp; control of markets, isn’t especially better.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Moderation in all things” is one mantra from the past which Americans understand. I usually refer to “balance” of forces (which might be seen as Taoist) or “let government do what government is meant to do and let business do what business is meant to do” (which is more of a Confucian idea). We need to let people be free except to the extent (again the extreme) where they begin to harm one another. That’s more of an American Constitutional view.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are differences of opinion when the markets seem to be failing. Many Liberals think we have to control outcomes to prevent a major collapse which would harm the entire nation (and these days the world). More often Conservatives (economic Liberals) think we should leave people alone to do what they want and it will all work out for the best in the longer run. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right now the stock market is down about 400+ points and European markets are tanking (about 5% per). Should government intervene in any way? Well, here government HAS offered to help firms though there is some question whether the Executive branch is doing (or will do) it’s duty to execute that law or whether firms will utilize the “bailout”. This is not good as it moves us further down the road towards the abyss without any obvious change in sight. We cross our fingers and hope Treasury Secretary Paulson convinces them to take the bailout.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why would financial firms NOT want the bailout?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s possible there are some very weak firms and a bailout would act to create transparency they can’t afford. So, they might just hold on and hope they can survive. It isn’t likely that a weak firm would survive in tumultuous waters when they’re barely hanging on in the calm. If this is what’s happening we’re likely to see a pretty severe crash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s also possible the Market is marking-down firm values before the firms utilize the bailout to effect it on their books. This scenario offers us the potential of a real bottom and some stability. How far things might have to drop would depend upon how weak the Market thinks these firms are. What is their TRUE value?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This isn’t a problem overcome by more regulation. The problems we got into were caused by that. Thanks Republicans! Just what America and the world needed while we’re fighting wars and anticipating others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s time for a big change. America MUST elect Obama-Biden.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the Republican (nearly Libertarian) ideology with regard to markets is that taken to it’s extreme the deregulation policy can only lead to the total destruction of the corporation and markets. We saw that in 1929 and we may be seeing it again now (despite the fact the real economy isn’t in such horrible shape).</p>
<p>The opposite, over-regulation and government domination &amp; control of markets, isn’t especially better.</p>
<p>“Moderation in all things” is one mantra from the past which Americans understand. I usually refer to “balance” of forces (which might be seen as Taoist) or “let government do what government is meant to do and let business do what business is meant to do” (which is more of a Confucian idea). We need to let people be free except to the extent (again the extreme) where they begin to harm one another. That’s more of an American Constitutional view.</p>
<p>There are differences of opinion when the markets seem to be failing. Many Liberals think we have to control outcomes to prevent a major collapse which would harm the entire nation (and these days the world). More often Conservatives (economic Liberals) think we should leave people alone to do what they want and it will all work out for the best in the longer run. </p>
<p>Right now the stock market is down about 400+ points and European markets are tanking (about 5% per). Should government intervene in any way? Well, here government HAS offered to help firms though there is some question whether the Executive branch is doing (or will do) it’s duty to execute that law or whether firms will utilize the “bailout”. This is not good as it moves us further down the road towards the abyss without any obvious change in sight. We cross our fingers and hope Treasury Secretary Paulson convinces them to take the bailout.</p>
<p>Why would financial firms NOT want the bailout?</p>
<p>It’s possible there are some very weak firms and a bailout would act to create transparency they can’t afford. So, they might just hold on and hope they can survive. It isn’t likely that a weak firm would survive in tumultuous waters when they’re barely hanging on in the calm. If this is what’s happening we’re likely to see a pretty severe crash.</p>
<p>It’s also possible the Market is marking-down firm values before the firms utilize the bailout to effect it on their books. This scenario offers us the potential of a real bottom and some stability. How far things might have to drop would depend upon how weak the Market thinks these firms are. What is their TRUE value?</p>
<p>This isn’t a problem overcome by more regulation. The problems we got into were caused by that. Thanks Republicans! Just what America and the world needed while we’re fighting wars and anticipating others.</p>
<p>It’s time for a big change. America MUST elect Obama-Biden.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyinstlouis1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/mccains-cronies-charles-keating-and-mccains-failure-to-learn-deregulation-lessons/#comment-1668936</link>
		<dc:creator>kathyinstlouis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise @ 61&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Financial Service Modernization Act of 1999 was introduced by Phil Gramm REPUBLICAN.  One of his closes friends and advocates of the bill was a guy named John McCain.  They got rid of a lot of the regulations that kept separate the financial lives of many of the institutions of the country such as insurance companies, banks, brokerages.  Phil Gramm is one of John’s big economic advisors.  So I’m puzzled how this all got to be a Democratic problem, except that the Republicans have never been wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise @ 61</p>
<p>The Financial Service Modernization Act of 1999 was introduced by Phil Gramm REPUBLICAN.  One of his closes friends and advocates of the bill was a guy named John McCain.  They got rid of a lot of the regulations that kept separate the financial lives of many of the institutions of the country such as insurance companies, banks, brokerages.  Phil Gramm is one of John’s big economic advisors.  So I’m puzzled how this all got to be a Democratic problem, except that the Republicans have never been wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do you bet Brokaw does NOT bring up Todd’s membership in the AIP Tuesday night?  Or Sarah’s welcome address to their delegates?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you bet Brokaw does NOT bring up Todd’s membership in the AIP Tuesday night?  Or Sarah’s welcome address to their delegates?</p>
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		<title>By: kathyinstlouis1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/06/mccains-cronies-charles-keating-and-mccains-failure-to-learn-deregulation-lessons/#comment-1668921</link>
		<dc:creator>kathyinstlouis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John McCain skated through the Keating 5 scandal the same way he’s skated through life….on his name, luck, or someone else’s money.  He lost 3 planes while in the Navy.  The first was when he was a pretty young pilot.  If any other pilot had lost one at that stage of his career, he would have had a desk job.  One was on his way to visit a girlfriend, another is unexplained and the records are sealed.  He’s always had someone protecting his name because his father and grandfather were so high up.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He vacationed with and on Charles Keating for years.  His wife and her father were in business with Keating, and McCain and other Democratic senators tried to get him out of a being punished for some highly illegal practices. McCain’s a master of influence peddling and got lots of campaign funds from Charles Keating.  Charles, at the time, was busy looting Lincoln Savings and Loan.  W’s brother, Neill, was also up to his neck in some other S&amp;L failure.  That’s why all these people got a lot of this swept under the rug at the time.  Too many important people’s friends and relatives were involved in the pilfering.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you read it all in black and white, you realize that just because John uses that nice reasonable voice when he gives speeches doesn’t mean he’s not a pretty awful person.  And dense to boot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain skated through the Keating 5 scandal the same way he’s skated through life….on his name, luck, or someone else’s money.  He lost 3 planes while in the Navy.  The first was when he was a pretty young pilot.  If any other pilot had lost one at that stage of his career, he would have had a desk job.  One was on his way to visit a girlfriend, another is unexplained and the records are sealed.  He’s always had someone protecting his name because his father and grandfather were so high up.  </p>
<p>He vacationed with and on Charles Keating for years.  His wife and her father were in business with Keating, and McCain and other Democratic senators tried to get him out of a being punished for some highly illegal practices. McCain’s a master of influence peddling and got lots of campaign funds from Charles Keating.  Charles, at the time, was busy looting Lincoln Savings and Loan.  W’s brother, Neill, was also up to his neck in some other S&amp;L failure.  That’s why all these people got a lot of this swept under the rug at the time.  Too many important people’s friends and relatives were involved in the pilfering.  </p>
<p>When you read it all in black and white, you realize that just because John uses that nice reasonable voice when he gives speeches doesn’t mean he’s not a pretty awful person.  And dense to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OBAMA, LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF POLITICAL WAR AND THE 527′S!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA, LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF POLITICAL WAR AND THE 527′S!!!</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I said in 2004 and I say it again now, this election is the final battle in our 148 year old civil war.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said in 2004 and I say it again now, this election is the final battle in our 148 year old civil war.</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Citizen Victoria:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “witch doctor” will play big but the real stake that I’m amazed that Obama hasn’t driven through the heart of the McCrazy campaign is the Alaska Independence Party and the Palins and Exxon Mobil.  The real “terrorists” and traitors have been legitimized by oilagrachy money in Alaska.  If Crazy John thinks that the South Carolina Confederate flag issue was a killer for ‘im wait until folks find out about the real secessionists that are very close ta takin power in Palin’s Alaska…this is the issue that goes to the heart of the corporate fascist political structure now poised ta  break up the US of A.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen Victoria:</p>
<p>The “witch doctor” will play big but the real stake that I’m amazed that Obama hasn’t driven through the heart of the McCrazy campaign is the Alaska Independence Party and the Palins and Exxon Mobil.  The real “terrorists” and traitors have been legitimized by oilagrachy money in Alaska.  If Crazy John thinks that the South Carolina Confederate flag issue was a killer for ‘im wait until folks find out about the real secessionists that are very close ta takin power in Palin’s Alaska…this is the issue that goes to the heart of the corporate fascist political structure now poised ta  break up the US of A.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Must have left out the good stuff…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: kathyinstlouis1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyinstlouis1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t realize until I read the Tim Dickinson, Rolling Stone piece that McCain’s first job in Washington was as a lobbyist for the Navy.  Really no other name for it….he was a liason advocating for funds for the Navy.  It was the same job his father had when he was a small boy growing up there.  It’s a lot more understandable why he just loves the entire lobbying system.  He understands it, and from his childhood days also, the cocktail party circuit in Washington.  Lobbying and cocktail parties are how the work gets done.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just a little hypocritical and disingenuous of McCain to now say that he isn’t influenced by any of it.  He is it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t realize until I read the Tim Dickinson, Rolling Stone piece that McCain’s first job in Washington was as a lobbyist for the Navy.  Really no other name for it….he was a liason advocating for funds for the Navy.  It was the same job his father had when he was a small boy growing up there.  It’s a lot more understandable why he just loves the entire lobbying system.  He understands it, and from his childhood days also, the cocktail party circuit in Washington.  Lobbying and cocktail parties are how the work gets done.  </p>
<p>It’s just a little hypocritical and disingenuous of McCain to now say that he isn’t influenced by any of it.  He is it.</p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
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		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Brasil&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brasil</p>
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