I think we all remember the year before the Iraq war, the drumbeat of propaganda, the horrible certainty that nothing we could do would stop George Bush’s messianic belief that he must have a war with Iraq because he was ordained by God, and all the great presidents were war presidents. We argued at the time that there is no decision a politician can make which he or she should think on harder than going to war.
The reason should be obvious. In war bad things happen. Wars are always sold as if they are going to brief, as if only the "bad guys" will be killed, as if "precision munitions" have made horrors a thing of the past. They are sold as easy, and glorious. And they almost never are. War is the archetype of "rubber hits the road", of a situation you can’t control. They have a way of turning into messes we never intended.
World War I was supposed to be brief. So was the Iraq war. A quick march in, lots of flowers, rework Iraq into a libertarian paradise by applying Republican economic and social dogma, then on to Tehran!
We could run through the numbers of dead, of maimed, of orphaned, but I think this story from the San Antonio Express-News speaks more directly to what happens in war. Some time ago some US soldiers raped an Iraqi girl repeatedly, then tried to conceal the crime by burning the corpse and killing her family.
Iraqis were outraged, and later some soldiers were captured. And for four months they were tortured. The antiseptic language in the article is somehow worse than saying it outright: "foot bones detached from commingled remains of Fouty and Jimenez, and finger bones wrapped in a blanket. Part of a pair of handcuffs was found." And a broken nose that had healed.
The men were kept alive, in other words, and tortured. They were probably cut up while still alive.
You can’t control war. Even the best disciplined army in the world (and the America is not even close to being that) will kill people it shouldn’t. Rapes will occur, they do in every war. Brutality and torture are almost certain to occur, even if the army tries to avoid it, rather than institutionalizing it. War, by its nature, requires making the enemy into something less than human, so you don’t mind shooting them. It almost always spills over onto the locals, who likewise are viewed as animals by occupiers or invaders and treated as such by many of them.
War, then, is hell. This isn’t news, everyone knows it. But as with most of what everyone "knows" they don’t really get it, because most people don’t get things that have never effected them or people they love. And if you’re in Congress, well, with very few exceptions, no one you care about is going to fight, no one you know is going to risk their life and maybe even get captured and tortured. The same is true of most people serving in the administration.
That boy being tortured, that girl being raped. All the deaths, murder, rapes, torture, were inevitable. You go to war with the army you have, and the president you have, but even if Jimmy Carter had been in charge there would have been murder, rapes, torture—just less of them. But "less" doesn’t matter much when it’s your daughter who was raped repeatedly at gunpoint; your son who was cut into pieces over a period of months.
And so we come back to the heart of the war. We rarely talk about it anymore, but it’s simple enough. All those people who supported the war, and most especially all those who voted for it, bear the moral responsibility for the results of the war. At least 100,000 dead Iraqis (and probably closer to a million). 4,000 and rising dead US soldiers. Rape. Murder. Torture. Orphans who got to watch their parents being killed. Husbands who saw their wives die, or wives who watched their husbands gunned down or blown into bloody carrion. Families who have buried multiple children.
All because members of Congress didn’t care and because they were gutless. Because they though to themselves "I might have to face attack ads if I vote against this war." Can you think of anything more weak, anything more pathetically evil, than to care more about your reelection than about thousands dying? Than about the certainty that from your vote will come rape and torture and murder?
And can you think of anything more pathetic, more redolent of bad judgment than to say "but I didn’t know. I trusted George Bush?"
As far as I am concerned most of Congress doesn’t just have blood on their hands, they are in it up to their chins. Their gutlessness, cupidity and selfishness is such that most of them, in a just world, would be preparing their defenses for a Nuremburg trial. They attacked a country which had not attacked the US, based on lies that were debunked at the time, for petty personal reasons of political ambition or cowardice.
We all know that won’t happen, but what I will tell you is this. Without the Iraq war, the financial crisis happening right now either wouldn’t be, or would be much less harsh. It is quite likely that Iraq is the last mistake of the American century and marks the end of America as a superpower.
This is only fitting. Those who have proven they cannot be trusted with power must have that power taken away. America had its chance, in 2004, to take that power away from the worst of its elites. It didn’t. For an outsider, whether the election was stolen in 2004 or not is irrelevant, all that matters was the lesson of the result—that Americans are no longer capable of disciplining their own elites.
American hegemony rose out of the ashes of WWII. World War II was an unprovoked war. Germany attacked those that did not threaten it. At Nuremburg Americans hung Nazis who had not been involved in the Holocaust, for no crime other than unprovoked war, declaring that it was a capital offense. Out of that war, and out of Nuremburg, America was born as the leader of the free world. Not just the mightiest, but the nation that said "never again".
It is fitting then that an unprovoked war is what is bringing an end to America’s leadership of the free world, to its economic and military hegemony. Having done what it once condemned, having proven unwilling or unable to correct itself, America has reaped what it sowed.
Alas that a young man had to be chopped into bits; a young girl raped repeatedly, as part of the process—that hundreds of thousand had to be killed.
It is in blood that empires, like humans, are born.
It is in blood that they die.
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Dear Ian, It’s too much to hold in one’s mind. But more: Is anyone paying attention?
It’s still worth saying and saying and saying.
We need to remember:
Friends come and Friends go. Enemies Accumulate.
Absolute truth, Ian.
One wonders if the species will ever understand.
But, the Political Class is ever careless and self-concerned …
All of this, all of it altogether, is pathetic.
If there really were a chance that we might learn, “sad” would hardly begin to cover the “truth”.
A bloody shame, the human race.
Great article, Ian.
exponentially
Wow!
So then, let us go out of our way to make enemies.
It is easier than making friends.
War is easier than peace.
1,786 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen RevBev and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“…Is anyone paying attention?”
Oh yes, there are plenty of us out here who not only are payin attention but understand from first hand experience the nihlism of war and the evil it brings to the furthest reaches of our collective psyche…so then let’s remember that everything comes back to the war in Iraq. All the debt, the economic depression, the collapse of civility, the advancement of corporate terrorism, and the death of hope in the mass of society…all of it is brought back to the war.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, OUR HISTORY HAS CALLED US OUT!!!
And much more profitable.
For some.
this is exactly what war is. and whenever we choose war – no matter who “justified” we think it is – we are choosing rape. we are choosing torture. one doesn’t need to be a pacifist to reject almost all wars. just a realist.
Payback is hell.
What will it take for all of us to wage unrelenting peace.
Or, shall it be our fate to learn, “too late”?
Bleak, but true.
(((Ian)))
This is why this election must be a landslide – not just for Obama, but for the Senate and the House and governors and state legislatures across the country. It must be a repudiation of the policies and the ideology that got us here. Total and complete. The GOPers and their supporters must be relegated to the dark corners and the dustbins for a long long long time. And before they are let out – they must repent of their sins.
And the people in this country must stop sitting on their hands and after election day we all must get out and work. Work hard for a cause or two that we believe in. Push Obama and Congress and our State governments to do the right thing – not the expedient thing.
AND – we MUST hold the Bush Administration accountable. Turn them all over to the Hague or whatever works. Charge them all with treason.
Otherwise, as Ian so eloquently says – we shall be relegated to the dustbin of history along with all the other petty dictators and malevolent crooks who have run countries and empires into the ground.
Tariq Ali is on cspan2 talking about how Pakistan is U.S. poodle. I listened to it earlier today. It’s good.
“Payback” is the most important lesson this, or any, nation may learn.
Otherwise this nation will perish, perhaps before its time.
Perhaps not.
But we must NOT continue to be what we have been and are.
In fact, we cannot.
Shall we have the wisdom to grasp that truth?
thanks. watching it now. ali’s voice is so soothing, especially compared to what he talks about.
I would use the phrase, blowback.
Aye.
“Blowback” has more strength of trith about it, Ian.
“truth” …. synapse collapse
Both terms have their applications. “Blowback” sounds like a tactical analysis, whereas “payback” reaches for the moral realm.
This ‘war on terror’ is not about the humanity or inhumanity of others.
This war has been about our own humanity.
We flunked.
Hannity is on Fox now with :
Obama and Friends a History of Radicalism -
There’s McCain’s game plan for the next 4 weeks.
They don’t even know what the word ‘radical’ means. They’ve conflated it with ‘anything we don’t think’.
Do you have an orgasm every time you dream of the end of the American empire? You certainly talk about it a lot.
Stick to economics.
I like to go biblical
as you reap, so shall you sow
Probably is it’s only true on a social level, not a personal level. The root of so much ill, that.
Ian,
Right on. This perceived economic crisis I think we’re in has sucked the all the oxygen from the war coverage. As the main merchant of death machinery, to the exclusion of almost everything else, we have to make working in the death industry the same shame we would if you owned a slave. At one time that looked like a nifty way to turn a buck too.
Karma baby.
How does the end of the empuh strike your consideration, Rob?
Perhaps you are of the opinion that we shouldn’t, any of us, ‘properly’ discuss the war and its consequence, that being beyond our field of ‘expertise’.
What is your field that you may hold such an opinion?
Unless I have come to misjudge you, you are no proponent of war or of empire.
Perhaps I am wrong in this assessment?
the conflation of power and death with sex is something i find profoundly disturbing and ugly.
Orgasms or not, the end of American Empire is a topic worthy of debate. We keep running in the red and we are printing so much paper money that Bushco is loathe to disclose the quantity. The value of the dollar plummets in relation to the trillions that get printed. We may have run our last Ponzi scheme (real estate finance). History is on the side of the collapse of Empires.
It’s kind of important, son. And it’s based on economics. I try to write about important things as much as the business allows.
If it gets you all bothered to read about it, don’t. The title certainly wasn’t ambiguous. I shall somehow soldier on without you.
The election of 2000 was the best evidence of the decadence of American society. The whole thing was decided on silly non-issues, chief among which was the ludicrous idea that we could decide an election based on whether we wanted to have a beer with a candidate. It was as if we were so rich it didn’t really matter whether we elected a horse to be president. The political elites of the republican party played to the cynical and the credulous, which formed a majority of electoral votes. The fact that it was close was the disaster.
I have been thinking about evil, and the thinking that produced the messianic war-monger Bush. There is a fundamental misunderstanding: Evil is Not a Thing, on Oxdown.
I think I would have an immaculate orgasm if America could go a week with-out the murder of an innocent anywhere in the world. I don’t believe that’s happened in my lifetime but I would enjoy the test.
Bushco/Cheney was eyeing that big pot of oil.
Richard Clarke warned that Bush was spoiling to attack Iraq.
Just got off of the phone with my Repuke sister who spewed hate about immigrants that were taking all the welfare money she could not get (50 million illegals!). She gushed about The John Birch Society’s warnings of said. She called those is Phoenix Jails BAAD PEOPLE..ya know the one that sheriff Joe is getting busted for health violations (sub-animal standards).
She did agree pink panties was a little over the top.
Sadly she talked about her 44 yearold daughter’s Parole Officers. I like to think that they are friends trying to keep them from falling back into drug addiction. She couched this in terms of a bad child. Her daughter is developmentally disabled. She was spouting the Fox Fare and the rest off the “Liberal Media”. That was my biannual attempt to communicate. Blames Clinton for taxing the low income. And Obama will raise taxes. I said on 5%. Waste of time. Sad she will vote for Palin. Sad she lives in her own self made hell. Brain washed and damned proud of it.
In these most desperate of times, McCain, Palin and their willing stooges are now prepared to go nuclear in their last gasps.
Pitting one part of the nation against the other, laying blame for all of the economic ills at the feet of the poorest and the the disenfranchised.
The ugliness they are beginning to uncork, like war, may not be containable.
They are destroyers.
-G
The Bush legacy may be the end of empire, the war and the bailout are two of a piece. We have had our day. Times are changing. No matter what the results of the election, and I hope it is a major shift from what has been, it will absolutely not be the end of our work to make this land and our world a better place.
A most excellent and thought provoking diary, masaccio.
Thank you.
DW
Thanks for writing this, Ian.
(bigbrother)
it’s extra hard when it comes from people who are close to us – or who ought to be.
Not an ‘end’ but the chance of another beginning, bgrothus.
Well said.
Attacking Latino immigrants may be their undoing. Hamhanded immigrant bashing could even piss off the Miami Cubans.
Interestingly, Ian, I posted on the casualty numbers and the dwindling ‘Coalition of the Willing’ today at M&C and cross posted at the Beach House…! ;-)
Bravo! Ian.
You put so succinctly what I think and do, at times, actually shed tears about.
I hate that this was done in my name, and I knew from the first utterance by Bush that this was a total farce.
And I stand ready to reap the natural karma that comes from my inability to stop him. That’s just the way it is.
If I and my beloved’s burn in a nuclear flash, or die a slow agonizing death, I will in those last horrific moments, understand why.
And it did not start with WWII.
It started with the rape and torture of the native who inhabited this land centuries before contact!
I’ve known that since I was about 8.
C’est vrais.
siri
Laying waste to all around them, sanity as well as peace, the destroyers have been treated with obsequious politeness, deference and totally undue respect; hiding behind long standing traditions and institutions ‘they’ have brought us misery, and the disgust of all sane human beings, and ‘they’ have left us nothing but shame … and despair.
They are traitors to justice, humanity and hope.
Among their helpmates were those who had all the benefits in life, and the best they could manage was to align themselves with evil little creatures whose frightened little aspirations have stutted ’round like like titans, claiming to have the ear of the Christian (and Hebrew and Muslim) Diety, while showing not rhe slightest evidence of even a meager humanity …
Ian,
Awful post. Horrible. (the truth, it burns) Worse, even those of us who protested this invasion, those of us who spoke out yet continued to pay our taxes, we too are soiled – there is blood on all of our hands because we did not make this thing stop. “Out, damned spot” indeed. Nor will Bushco pay any price for this whatsoever – in a scant 6 months or less it will be remembered as Clinton’s/Obama’s war and the collective mind will ‘forget’. I dread our future, there will be a price to be paid for what ‘we, the people’ have allowed to happen in these last 8 years and that price, too, will be paid in blood.
Nuremberg prosecutor Ben Ferencz’s recent article on the problem of criminalizing the crime of waging a war of aggression: http://www.benferencz.org/arts/95.html
Most of the immigrants from the south come to work in republican sweat shops or big AG. Now they are going back. Meanwhile MSM is spewing the hate out. If there is no rationale them find some irrationale to sell to vote for more of the same disastrous policies.
Thanks for that link, wigwam.
DW
i’d say empires die in something else red, ink.
(though the blood usually precedes and parallels it)
but when they die, it doesn’t have to mean massive bloodshed. Gorbachev proved that.
if there is not another FDR in America’s immediate future, hope at least for an American Gorbachev.
Way late, but let me suggest that people contribute to Charlotte Dennet:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/36271
That and contributing to Cindy Sheehan in her contest against Pelosi would be very significant actions against those who don’t want to listen to the populace. Ian, millions of U.S. citizens -and all around the world- marched against the Iraq invasion; it was just that the Bush Admin didn’t listen. And the Dem’s wouldn’t impeach(or even ‘censure’ per Feingold).
Hopefully Dennett will win and a step to justice will occur with many more to be taken.
Oh, and Selise, believe it or not, Playboy had a cartoon in the 60’s mocking the association of sex and guns. As Bush sings ‘there is no sex in your violence’; guess Mr. Zuber hasn’t heard them.
We should have been talking more; maybe some of the facts would have been heard. Facts support a violence and sex connection; rape and pillage is more than a cliche. No. None of it is pretty. What we did in Iraq is not pretty. Lying for the last 8 years to this country has not been pretty. So?
We are the faithfull those whom have stood for peace. So we continue to play the hand we are dealt and make the most of it. Bush is not Uber Alles he is at 22%. Most Americans realise his policies are wrong.
Bushco still needs to face what those he let die on Texas death row faced.
War is not about honour, glory, oil, land, human rights or riches. War is about killing.
I never particularly liked the idea of being part of an “empire,” it always struck me as fundamentally inconsistent with “All men are created equal.” I’d still like to be part of a good country, even one that will probably be stuck in the backwaters of history for the rest of my time here. If we could just concentrate our efforts on what is close to us . . .
teddy a few flights up
War is the most blatant admission of profound failure possible for the species.
A war of total annihilation is the ultimate expression of complete failure.
It is not a ‘rapturous’ measure of piety, at all.
Did you catch 60 Minutes tonight? In the segment on Delta Force’s attempt to kill bin Laden the Officer in Command of the unit talked about the effect hearing bin Laden’s voice on the radio had among the mujahadeen who acted as Delta’s guides and main force. Just that statement shows why we can’t win in Afghanistan. Our politicians and general staff are fools.
I must disagree.
War isn’t about killing, although that is both a means and result. War is about force…destruction and subjugation. Even supposed “righteous war” or “defensive war” is about removing the will and ability of the opposing side to persist in the struggle. Unfortunately for decisionmakers, the byproducts of war (rape, pillage, murder) are contrary to the goals of force, because they breed greater resistance. This reason above all is why wars should be ended as soon as practicable, regardless of the reasons the war began initially.
All of those items that you listed above can be used as excuses for initiating war, but the outcome is (almost) never sure enough to justify unleashing war in pursuit of those goals. The risks are just too great.
In the White House, the halls of Congress and our illustrious press war is about force, used for good or ill, an abstract concept. On the ground in Hue, Saigon, Tora Bora, Baghdad, Mosul, and Kabul war is about killing, not an abstract concept.
Read Glenn Smith from this morning.
There were a lot of deaths because of the USSR’s end, but true enough, as imperial deaths go that was very clean, and it was mostly because of Gorbachev. He deserves great credit. Unfortunately the aftermath was handled very very badly.
I saw the segment on 60 minutes about the Delta Force, then I watched American Gangster on HBO, and I was struck by the Poppy connection. Herione and damaged soldiers – hmmm, they, as well as sex and violence and power and control, seem to go hand in hand.
I am so pissed of by what our nation is going through right now, for so many reasons, I can’t even sleep at night anymore. I couldn’t be more ashamed! I am especially mad about the way that McCain and his supporters keep telling us all that either we don’t understand or Obama doesn’t understand – they pushed that $800,000,000,000 bill through, saying that if we opposed it, well, we just don’t understand – about the war in Iraq – you just don’t understand.
Dammit – we do understand!!! We understand that the rich just got $800,000,000,000 richer, that some arrow maker just scored, that the financial geniuses only pretended to understand, that the Democrats as well as the Republicans have been paid off, that Sarah Palin is anything but a “straight talker,” that it matters if you can pronounce the single most frightening word in the dictionary, which is CLEARLY not spelled “nucular,” and that war is bad, and bad wars are worse, they are CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, and that modern asymetrical wars, like Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan, like nuclear war, is simplly not winable.
Damn, I’m pissed off today – maybe I’ll start doing herione
Ian, Thanks for this powerful statement that you have written. I was born during the run-up to US entry into World War II, and I remember that war. I’ve seen my country engaged in half a dozen wars (maybe more, I’ve lost count). When I protested the Vietnam war, it didn’t occur to me that after that ended I would live to see America in further illegal, pointless wars in my lifetime. How naive. Looking at the photo that accompanies your post, I see a similar photo from Vietnam, another girl – she is burned, running down the road naked and screaming, trying to escape US war planes. Many people believe that photo helped end the war. Each war leads to terrible suffering. Now our government claims the right to start wars of aggression. When I look at world history, I see wars every generation or two, but between wars people forget the horror. It can be dispiriting, but I don’t know of any alternative other than continuing to work for peace and justice, which always requires telling the truth, as you do so well, and telling it again and again.
To whom it may concern:
Under IE7 the page formatting is fubar, with the blogroll and SnorgTee ad overlaying the article text for most of its length.
Damn, that was quick. Opening in a new window instead of a tab makes it look OK. More strange IE shit, I guess.
Ian:
Excellent.
LLAP,
Spocko
Ian, your post need be etched in bronze, least we forget, again.
My separation with America started earlier but was finalized when American troops open fire on a civilian car in Iraq and a small girl saw her father and mother and brothers and sisters die; she was wearing their blood and body parts as a homage to American terrorists occupying her country. This was in August or September 2004. Apparently this was never reported in American media for “homeland” consumption. Just another evil amongst the many, the perpetrators be forever damned.
FWIW: please look at dollar exchange activity of recent. Just as oil is being priced, has all the appearance of futures market activity. It has been counterintuitive to known market factors. All the best……..
How I appreciate this community of bloggers and commenters! It is so reassuring that there are some humans left in the US who have empathy and can foresee the dreadful consequences of war.
My greatest fear is that our political process has become so debased that the McCain campaign will use this horrible example to incite a terrible vengeance resulting in even greater and more horrible violence.
Ian,
Thank you.
Do you have children?
Those of us who accept the realistic consequences of our national decisions need to set about working quietly for our children’s future.
You have written of the value of family, neighbors and friends. I might add to the list an appreciation for the small farmer who has been nearly pushed out of existence by the Big Ag/Fake Food industry. (And when people inevitably get sick due to nutritional deficiencies the Medical/Pharm industry).
Supporting small, clean farming is the emerging political statement we need to make in my opinion. Real food. Real nutrition from agriculture based on ancient ways.
Aisles of fake foods which do nothing but bloat bodies or trigger our genes to misfire should be avoided for the sake of the health of our children.
Let those industries that prey on the human body and mind go the way of the predatory lenders.
Your opinion is generally believed. I suggest you click on my name for a theory which holds humanity is crazy, not depraved. By the same token, it could mean America’s greatest contributions to humanity lie ahead if we figure out a way to use the internet for electronic democracy. Representative democracy clearly doesn’t work any more. The problem is getting us rank and file to be sufficiently self assertive to do something about anything. We fax and phone congresspeople when we need national demonstrations, but before we can have a national demonstration we need a way to get it together. I have no doubt someone will think of a way to create an “Our space”. The sooner the better.
“Representative” democracy, by definition, is somewhat short of actual, “participatory” democracy, and should hardly be the the ‘be all’ and ‘end all’ of the American ‘experiment’.
Unfortunately, a dumbed-down ‘citizenry’ have, apparently, little or even no interest in having a major say in their own destiny.
Primarily we may fault ‘education’, but also, lack of imagination and the corresponding lack of a genuine desire (and willingness to stand and fight) for the betterment of the system under which we live, and, too often, die.
The fundamental reality, lost to most people, is the the world is ‘our space’ and we have relinguished responsibility for that reality to small-minded, cold hearted, calculating sociopaths.
Given that understanding or even appreciating history is considered useless in America, we have absolutely no ability to learn from our own mistakes, let alone the mistakes of others.
We Americans are ‘exceptional’.
Exceptionally stupid; and full of pride regarding that fact.