Suzanne!

Hail muse Suz! Wotta nite…

ZED??? Hi Suz(:>))

He creeps me out.

Suzanne! Some night!

Oh,FDL friends, I’m so happy to be here!

Joe Biden!

boing boing – spinning madly while falling into a huge bellyflop making splat sound

dayam, that sp dive hurts

To paraphrase McCain’s interview in Des Moines, you don’t have to wear a bra to know women vote with their love pitas. Palin saves the ticket!

((( Suz )))

Shania … Woo Hoo !!!

Ah yesss….. The Lake, it is truly a Great Solace, is it not…..

ROFL … Touche

Joe, FDL, you all know how I feel..

Oh, BTW…the “Say it ain’t so Joe” line (after asking Biden if she could call him Joe) was such a frikkin’ jerkish thing to say….just venting..

Why is it that both republican candidates have all consuming hostility?

I’m still in debate mode. SP wants to continue the war in iraq, expand the powers of the VP, slams the MSM again cuz it’s such a winning strategy, and fakes her way to victory over “slick” Joe Biden. It’s maybe true because the mean people on MSM say so.

Yes, yes.

and sarah knows mean

Digg It Pups…

Boy I think I need to buy a new shovel from All The Digging I have done tonight(:>)

Small minded. Assholish. As far as I am concerned she is a clown car.

there, i said it.

Now that the debate reruns have started, I’m relaxing with a little Godzilla vs. Megagurius.

They seem to be the party of me, me, me, me, I, I, me, me, and money….for me.

her whole performance was forced. so many words to remember!

and she came off bitchy to me. I don’t like women squinting at me like they just know so much more than the guys. I don’t know why they hide her if she’s so fierce!

why am i not surprised (laughing)

Speaking of clown cars-Mrs. Dugger is pregnant again. 18th

Oh gosh.. its been hours since the debate ended, but Palin’s stupid affected fake regional accent is still grating on me. What was she thinking??? If you use a regional accent like that you’re going to piss everybody off not from that region.

All through the day, I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.

I use more syllables for Sarah Palin because she does, so I say Love Pita vs. Clown Car. I win. (thank you samantha bee)

she forking winked at the camera – like she was auditioning for that new larry flynt movie

totally creeped me out – and raised the question: did she sleep her way onto the ticket?

18th baby? :P

Do people really talk like that in Alaska. Or is that a Wissilla accent.

Mean Sarah.

Anybody hear the story about the wine, Palin wine…Palin Syrah..wine…

People have stopped buying it, because they are protesting meanie Sarah…

It was on the “news”…

True story.

that shit works in an all guy environment maybe. makes women puke.

As I said on an earlier thread,

“I really Digg Joe Biden!”

Yes, I heard it. San Francisco. LOL

That would explain alot

Because thats all they know. No compassion whats so ever. Just look at their record on Vets, public School, medical care, the poor, the middle class and anything that would help those less fortunate than themselves. If you do a litle reaserch you could find a whole more of examples of the lack of compassion!

to be honest, I don’t know anybody from Alaska, much less Wasilla. After tonight, I’m not sure I want to.

Doesn’t ET live in Wasilla?

yep and proud of it, too. It was God’s doing.

Speaking of God, some little Mormon boys tried to pick me up for Jeebus today. I scared em off when I talked about Jeebus having possible Buddhist leanings.

she winked at the forking camera during a nationally televised debate

grrrrrr

She fricking went in and out of her folksy crap like flipping a switch. it’s definitely fake. she’s an actor and that’s all she’s got. she won by running against people not for something.

btw, it’s fricking scary that she’s running for vp/prez when we have the biggest crises we have ever had in several decades. Cripes! and the oldest man topping her ticket.

hey pups

what is with the seething contempt running through the mccain/palin campaign?

Guys like a wink when they’re interviewing a hooker. When we’re trying to decide on presenting someone we might want to represent us with seriousness on the world stage, then it’s really all about tits. Actually, it’s really always about tits.

Hi Suzanne!
Ok, watching the debate replay on MSNBC. Somebody else turn it on, and then tell me that’s not an earpiece in her right ear, and a black cord of some sort showing up from behind her right shoulder.

Here’s the wine story:

http://images.google.com/imgre…..l%26sa%3DN

Pat Buchanan thought she won the debate. Biden had to many facts but she was personable or some such. After Darth that would be an improvement.
But is that what we really want as VP?
I want someone like Joe!

fyi – the house rules committee had an emergency meeting today and reported out a rule to cover consideration of the sellout bailout. and it’s first on tomorrow’s agenda.

i’ll write a dairy first thing in the morning with links and details. but it does look like tomorrow is the day for it.

I see no other way.

We should ask him.

no way. edward teller is there – love ET!

My husband said last night she would be coming out with her hair down to cover the ear piece.

Thank you, selise. Again.

Mary !

Best descriptive phrase for SP, IMHO …

nahant, don’t know how this happened, but the Digg button up at the top says my Digg is the official Digg…even though you posted yours first…

Mods?

You know, when she says “it’s an honor to be here” it really is. there is no way she earned it or deserves it.

The NYT reporter on PBS who has been following Palin told the story about a person who called out a question about the “controversial” wolf ad and she said “it was a controversial bill and in alaska, you gotta do what you gotta do”. Wow. That’s got the ring of reform all right.

So fake!!!!

That would most likely be the contact with the “producer” …part of the PA system.

sp must make pat b’s leg get all tingly or else he was watching a different debate that i was.

Why thank you. As you may know, I specialize in clown car identification.

Fixed.

Did McCain actually say “love pita”?

that’s not a cord, thats part of her hair. i’ve not seen anything in her right ear – they are not showing that ear

LOL … details please, they’re gonna start trudging through my neighborhood soon …

Why am I waking up in the morning in a cold sweat?

I always want to slap Pat’s hand with a ruler. The nun comes out in me when I see him.
They don’t call me Mary Margaret Mc…… for nothing.

wobbles, i figure it is the natural by-product of being with the mccain campaign

Has anyone opened the CNN text transcript? Page opens for me – headings, etc. but no text.

I want to search – something I thought I heard nags.

Hey y’all.

Sarah Palin. Shania Twain. Birds of a feather. >:-D

I sense it too, and boy is it unattractive.

Easy there … Shania has got some real talent.

what is with the seething contempt running through the mccain/palin campaign?

I think they hate having the Great Depression on them and they hated FDR being regaled as a great leader and him getting 4 terms and Truman narrowly edging Dewey and Kennedy narrowly edging Nixon and Kennedy getting to be revered as a great man after his death and Nixon being revealed as a criminal and a bigot and on and on and on.

What I wonder is why they don’t change their process of selecting their political leaders. They keep getting scum, jerks, criminals and liars and it doesn’t seem to bother them enough to change. Weird.

No, Sam Bee did in her hilarious skit on TDS after Sarah Palin debutted at the RNC. too funny.

McCain was rambling rambling rambling about just because he gets affordable health care doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what other Americans need, he doesn’t need to be an astronaut to know about space exploration (he really did say that) and more.

So I of course extend that to say he doesn’t need to wear a bra to know how to support women.

My husband said last night she would be coming out with her hair down to cover the ear piece.

That might have been true if the neural shunt hadn’t taken. But I think it did and it was rather obvious Cheney has himself a brand new Palin doll.

“I think we need to expand even MORE powers for the VP…doncha know”

It is interesting being in AZ when friends of friends who have family members working in the McCain campaign…… AND they share dirt……

It seems that Palin had a big fight with the “prep” team at Sedona and refused to practice……. told them that she was going to be herself……

AND McCain chose Palin after an hour meeting and no vetting which we all know but I guess the RNC fought with McCain over it and tried to talk him out of it…… guess who lost?

Pat B definitely has the ummm…ewwww….hots for Palin…there…ewwwww

If she looked like a toad, he’d be dissing her and so would the rest of ‘em.

You betcha.

seething. good word.

Yeah, Sarah sure came out seething a number of times. very unflattering look for her. I’m surprised her image consultant didn’t mention it.

Sarah kept talking about her executive record cutting taxes to bad Wassila $27 million in the kind earmarks John says that he is against.

From 2000 to 2003, she secured over $27 million in earmarks, averaging $6.7 million in federal money every year for her town of about 6,700 people. …(read on)

As mayor, Sarah Palin managed to secure a thousand dollars a year per person in her city in earmarks, yet…

When Palin left office in 2002, Wasilla had “racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt,” or roughly $3,000 of debt per resident. …(more)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..n-in-debt/

My Bold 6.7 million a year divided by 6,700 people = $1,000 a year for every man woman and child for 3 years, which is a very good haul.
To bad she left every man woman and child nearly $3,000 in debt.
But she lectures Joe on taxes?

I was taking my afternoon stroll and I saw these two boys riding their bikes. My Mormon detector when right up. They slowed down and asked for directions. Then asked me if I wouldn’t mind if they came and talked to me and my husband about Jesus Our Lord and Savior. I considered asking them if they were wearing their magic underwear and, if so, doesn’t it ride up a bit while you are on a bike? I didn’t. I did tell them I was a Buddhist type person. Then I told them about Jesus possibly making a trip to India and returning with the Buddhist philosophy. They didn’t cotton to what I was saying and suddenly remembered they were late for choir practice. In Utah.

Thanks. I guess you had to be there.

I’m feeling sad that the good folks in Missouri weren’t treated to McCain in drag tonight, suspending his campaign for president to take over the campaign for vice president.

they never stood a chance

When they came to my door, I told them I was about to hose off the porch, and they were welcome to stay.

They think the American Indians are the lost tribes of Israel but because the fell away from worshiping God it was ok to kill them.
I was saving that bit if Mitt became VP.

Actually I was talking to my boyfriend (works in TeeVee) on the way to our debate party…… they have new technology using inferred beams …….They have sold off most of the RFI frequencies …… the CIA has been using this technology for years….. You don’t need an ear piece and just beam towards their ear and there you go……. Now think about it as you watch it again….

Biden went first…….. while he is talking someone is beaming it to her ear….. Palin has her head down and taking notes…… then it is her turn and she tries to put the crap notes into some sense……

Try this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/PO…..ranscript/

*coffee through my nose*

Do you meditate (hope that’s not too personal, only asking to find out if there any good meditation classes in your city)

Snark?:)

sorry I didn’t include links to sam bee and the des moines register. Frankly the geezer incoherent rambling goes on so long and I’m exhausted after the debate. not up to it.

oh gawd. mccain in drag – would he be all flamboyant like rudy rudy rudy or would he go for the more sedate look of dame edna.

(((((Mary)))))

That is cause they are in their early twenties and still virgins. Poor dears.

As a woman who spent a great deal of time in physical jobs in a man’s world overproving herself to get the decent interesting jobs, the wink is a way of equalizing the situation. And a great rack doesn’t hurt either.
Also, being a great shot with a high-powered rifle is good too.

Yeah, she definitely looked like she was fed her damn lies, I mean, lines.

Awesome! I do much the same but I vacillate between ascribing the Nazarene a history base on Zorastorianism and L R Hubbards best fiction. Sometimes the LDS dudes have quite a sense of humor. I think it helps.

LOL … I’m planning on saying, “Wait, let me get my Suicide Belt, then we’ll all go and see if he’s really in Heaven !”

I only have Buddhist leanings. My daughter is. She spends a week at a time at Spirit Rock not talking.

{{{ npb }}}

Goodnight, all. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all.

NPB!!! !! How are you?

LOL. Rudy is too elite but the fur, hmm. no I think dame edna looks a bit more populist.

No offense intended. I just didn’t get it. Not your fault.

hey npb – how’s my plants? are the forkers blooming in my absence? i know that orchid i waited 4 years for another bloom is gonna bloom under your loving care.

nighters RonD

I felt sad for Pat needing cash so much he has to shell for Sarah. Nixon at least was an evil Genius. Cheney was at least evil. Shelling for the Chimp and Sarah though brrr Pat must have lost a bundle on the market.

ROFL okay I have to steal that from you, Petro

AND McCain chose Palin after an hour meeting and no vetting which we all know but I guess the RNC fought with McCain over it and tried to talk him out of it…… guess who lost?

ding. that’s leadership and country first for ya!

Americablog has the 18 lies that Palin told during the debate….. 18 lies

g’nite rond (and any other leaving sleepy pup i may have missed)

I’m getting on with my plan to come to California and teach private meditation classes … any lead/advice is greatly appreciated … send via Facebook

the guys tell me it about the tits. they don’t mind. really.

oops, sexism police gonna show up now.

LS22 any relation to LS at also at the Lake?

it’s all good. I’m used to my jokes going nowhere. I just keep trying. :]

And if you can hit an outside jumpshot, that tends to help with the boys.

Now, on the otherhand, I’ve often found my modified half double crochet stitch to be quite the talk of the bookclub.

If Hillary Clinton were still involved, I think there would be some really interesting debates about both the blurring of some lines in gender roles and the solidifying of others…just which would our society decide to subscribe to?

With Palin, none of these issues will be addressed. And, in truth, you really can’t even see her boobs underneath the power jackets.

What an absolute jerk McCain is.
Who are these women who would cheer at such a comment, and where did they leave their self-respect?

you guys are cracking me up.

It helps if you’re brown and can mimic a heavy Middle Eastern accent … *g*

she forking winked at the camera – like she was auditioning for that new larry flynt movie
totally creeped me out – and raised the question: did she sleep her way onto the ticket?

I mentioned late in the last thread that I’ve often seen bush wink at the camera. Must be a rove-tested thing I think.

How do we block/jam infrared?

Yep but she winks to let you know they are under her clothing.

Teddy! weren’t you thrilled to learn that Sarah was willing to risk her friendships for gay rights?

I would just like to compliment myself for staying out of that … much as I’m tempted to join in … *g*

Considering she is a clown car we should be glad she didn’t have c.t.

when you know someone, a wink is a sign of intimacy, of one on one communication. when you don’t know someone it’s forward and off putting and damn cocky.

Thx, that worked.

very bidenesque of you! ((petro))

tacky. It is f’ing tacky.

it is light so any way you can block or scramble it would work.

I’ll ask Elmore tomorrow…… he was telling me all about the technology ….. how it worked and can be undetected either by the Broadcast Coordinator (the person who coordinates all the frequencies) as it is not a true “broadcast” frequency….. or anyone else….

ls has a new name, ls22

she had computer problems earlier

She is not that good looking average at best but with the wink she says that she is available and a guy needs.
Well most guys I know her ideas pretty well reading hear at the Lake and well when she talks she ruins it for me. Both her ideas and the accent.

Extremely tacky … her wink looked even worse than Bush’s wink …

i got the brown part down but gonna have to work on accent. i have a head scarf though *g*

Freep this poll:

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

At our debate party…… the women were really turned off by her behavior…… the cocking of her head…… the good Democratic guys were cheeped out….

Letterman is raking Palin over the coals….

How about all the times she did not answer a question?

I thought the wink was to let you know she could be coaxed out of her clothing.

You know what. It’s fun to poke fun at dumb conservatives. I’ve really enjoyed it for years, starting with Nixon and Ford and then the SNL crew kinda did it for me and has ever since. But this woman really is a new low and the fact that she can be exposed as such a complete fraud; and claw her way back into the race, merely by not having her nose fall off on national TV…it really says some sad things about America.

Georg W. Bush proved the American voting public was dumb. Sarah Palin is proving that the American voting public is dumb and horny.

I can only hope that Barrack Obama gives the opportunity for a majority of the opposition to prove that their brains take precedents over their labidos. Besides, Michelle is HOT!

10.9% Sarah Palin
89.1% Joe Biden

Winking at the camera (America) is just short of giving your lips a nice long lick.
It is suggestive and domineering. She knows little about human behavior. I wonder how many women threw remotes at their teevees tonight.

it could be that Palin didn’t understand what was beamed to her…… it seemed that it was the question where Palin went first that she tended not to answer but she tended not to answer a LOT of questions……..

In my life I have never heard such twisted logic in my life……. it was like she was trapped in a maze and thought she could talk her way out if it……

I admit I didn’t watch more than 10 minutes. Mr tbsa said McPalin didn’t answer the questions and was rambling on all night.

her wink seemed much bigger somehow, maybe false eyelashes?

… closer that I thought … /s

Hey, I thought we were talking about male perspectives here. It’s not what you see, it’s what you perceive you see, right? Of course, I don’t mean to imply johnSwifty22 when I say”you”. I’m using the generic term.
I’m actually kind of jealous about the crotchet, I’m all thumbs.

Its infrared would infrared beams show up on TV film or do we need to find a pup with a nightvision camera for the next debate.
Also we can’t get between a line of sight transmission at a debate the secret service would get pissy. Walking into a debate with an infra red beam projector of some kind to jam the signal though might get us arrested.

Did anyone count the number of winks. I think I saw at least four.

When a man does it to a woman, it is demeaning and condescending.

When a woman does it to a televised audience, Pat Buchanan’s leg tingles …

gotcha

Are you talking about the time she said she would answer the question but instead talk to the American people? That one? I ask because there were many times that she didn’t answer the question.

LOL Biden 89.7 Palin 10.3

That poll doesn’t need freeping!

But let’s put Joe over 90 anyway…

Guess he forgot to take his Cialis.

Sarah Palin has NO BUSINESS on the national stage for cripes sake. shame on whoever shoved her in front of McWheezer.

… or wear his Depends …

Yes and she thought that she was doing good too?

yeap – pushing red brain bleach button

Neither does McCain. He should be selling tires at BigO.

FOUR….. really….. I saw one….. that IS tacky…..

I expected Palin to withdrawal from the campaign……. announcing that she was pregnant because Tod was practicing his Drill baby Drill technique….

Oh yeah, it’s always about the perspective.

As for the crochet…it’s much better than kitting ’cause it’s one hook, but it goes both ways ;-)

I like to do it whilst drinking beer, watching football and flatulating…makes me feel like I haven’t wasted three hours on football…the flatulating, I mean.

Yeah she rambled yo did not miss much the Stupid it Burns!
But Joe was great!

707!

I especially liked the part where she revealed her coaching by saying “I don’t have to answer the question you ask me, I just say what I want to say”

Uh, Sarah, that’s what a politician does, not what he says. I know you got it confused with the times we told you there are things we say but we don’t actually do them.

Yes

ROFL

I suspect that when SP says “american people” she’s really thinkin’ dumbshits who buy my act.

Ya betcha…!!!!

I was too busy wretching to count.

It was ALL sexual …… the “Naughty Librarian” look…… the winks….. the head tilting thing……. the Drill baby Dill……. it is all to get those poor white conservatives thinking that she will…..

You mean men who buy her wink the CNN ticker showing men and women always showed Sarah leading with men. I think they used undecided voters for that who lean one way or another.
A CNN ticker with voters who understood the issues like 3rd year poly sci students would be interesting.

…yeah? …yeah? Will what? Don’t stop now!!!

all she was missing was her snake

Rub them in Moose fat and lick them Clean?

Joe Lieberman, on Fox News

She hit it out of the ballpark. She proved that she is ready to be John McCain’s Vice President. She was strong, she was competent, she was informed, she was very genuine. She was humorous

LOL. So, is this topic deteriorating…or can we take it a bit farther?!?
wink wink wink wink

Night vision would be able to see it but the TV probably wouldn’t broadcast it as the frequency is outside of what the TV cameras see. Now if we had a pup there that would be different. Maybe a laser tuned to the correct frequencies would work. Think about the new anti missile defense used now on commercial aircraft to thwart infrared aimed shoulder mounted missiles.

Thank yooooooou, nutmeg state.

I knew he would be. She is a digrace. Someone already said this but it is a clear demonstration to the lack of intelligence the GOP has to even think she was up to the task. Even worse that one person would ever consider voting for her.

We got a chance to sneak in an infra red camera maybe Rachel would do it. But a Laser? That might get us a room with a view at Guantanamo.

Letterman’s Top 10 is ALL Palin…..

BTW…. did any one catch the part about gay marriage and Palin said that she agreed with Biden and when asked to clarify she clearly said that she was against gay marriage…..

Dave has been on fire since last week …

Send that to Jane she might miss it with all the Sarah news!

They can be made small enough to be easy to conceal. Especially the new some of the new ones, it wouldn’t have to have much power and a simple watch battery could provide enough power for the application.

Its over front page on Kos….

Anyone have the debate video up yet?

I knew I should have called in sick, and stayed home with a beer and a bingo card!

You would still have to aim it directly at her listening device right?

between dave and snl, mccain and sp are gonna have some sleepless nights ahead of them (wicked evil laugh)

G’nite all … great fun tonight !

replaying right now on msnbc

g’nite petro

It looks like the polls (msnbc and cnn) are settling down at about 70-30 or 2:1 for a Decisive Biden Debate Win.

Only the Idol-izers stayed with Palin.

Tonight was a Victory for Common Sense over Fanstasy Beliefs.

accuse even.

facts vs wink wink

competent vs perky

wow…. is it that late? ….. better get to bed…. Nite everyone…. have more juicy gossip about McCain but not sharing now…..

CSpan 1 has a repeat on now – about ten minutes into the debate.

what what what….. come on spill it.

g’nite katymine

night Katy!!

Shortly after Palin asked Biden if she could call him Joe, he called her Governor. Smooth.

So Suz how are the new diggs?? You getting that storm blowing in yet?

Sweet dreams Petrocelli!

I strolled into Faux news country a few hours ago and they were running an oh so highly technical “text message” poll that was running at a solid 80% for Palin.

Just goes to show that no one be the completely indoctrinated continues to watch the tripe they put forth under the guise of “news” over at teh Faux.

This was a normal debate our guy won on the issues. The Obama McCain debate though was allot closer but more people thought that Obama won. Why Emotion they cared about Obama winning more than they were objective about how well Obama did.
Normally the Right has Gun nut, Antiabortion types who vote because they care about their issues only and they vote that way.
Right now we have people who care enough about Obama wining that a close debate became an overwhelming Obama win.
That book club guy who talked about emotional voters might have had a point.

*gentle reminder*

insults that are derogatory against women will result in your comment being moderated

other insulting terms are welcomed :)

It looks like the polls (msnbc and cnn) are settling down at about 70-30 or 2:1 for a Decisive Biden Debate Win.

Just like the polls emotion is the deciding factor it seems if the 30%ers were rational voters they would be acting like Kathleen Parker.

just showers today. supposed to get it tomorow and am looking forward to it. today, i watched the rain showers coming in bands across the bay before they hit here.

nite Katy!

Sorry Suz… that’s why I couldn’t watch.

You’re not counting Sarah Palin in with the “women” demographic are you?

nahant, here is the severe weather alert that popped up on my computer a wee bit ago.

Does McCain blame the women in his life for his failures? I’m wondering if he’ll blame Palin when (I pray) they lose. Did he blame Cindy for adopting the baby from Bangladesh? I’m thinking of the smear tactics used in the 2000 election. Just wondering.

laughing…. only when the terms used to insult her with are those that insult only women

i think he uses women to rescue him – and them blames them for the reason he needed rescuing in the first place

I agree, but I thought her bullshit would “come across” to the public much better than it did, which I consider to be excellent good news. I was dreading another Palin bump in the polls.

I’m not sure her lack of intelligence is a negative to the 26% ers. We have a weekly protest in our community. The pro-war people have huge signs that say “Vote for the woman! SARAH PALIN and john!” “McCain-War Hero”"
The same folks who call our young Iraq vets Against the War “phony soldiers”.
Never underestimate the ability of some average Americans to put reality TV over their own interests. Dumb admires Dumb With Power.

I thought as much. I will admit that even though the term “clown car” can only be applied to women with any degree of alacrity, it is kinda funny. Can you make an exception for that one, please?

rut roh.. eastwood on jon stewart.. i can hear npb’s teeth grinding now …

They will overspin it to the point of insult (like we’re not there already) and whatever blip should be replace by despair.

Biden absolutely kicked her ass. It will show up that way very soon.

Sounds like your first real storm of the season. I
do love watching a good storm at the coast with the wind and water show us just how beautiful and powerful mother nature truly is!!
Oh yeah Julie came home today and is doing good. Still a wee bit tired but glad to be home with Tucker and me! Tucker just couldn’t get enough of her:>)

clown car is permitted. its words that are obviously derogatory about women (think c word, b word) that have to be used very very carefully

what did her test results show? everything ok? how minor is minor?

I assume McCain is claiming that Sarah won the debate. The GOP has been pushing this meme of letting Sarah be Sarah but unless the polls change allot about who won that story is not going to fly.
Also if Sarah won by being Sarah will she finally start doing some media interviews? That is part of a VP’s job.

i should clarify – clown cars have been known to have men clowns – it is not limited to just women

additionally, its a lot looser and bawdier here at late late nite. some of the stuff we say here at nite would not be appropriate during daytime threads.

Sarah pushed that white flag bit and it didn’t fly with the CNN graph at all.

Maybe we should push an Iraq is Vietnam all over again meme?

Kathleen Parker:

Well, darnit all, if that dadgum girl (wink, wink) didn’t beat the tarnation out of Joe Biden. Maverick Sarah Palin fersure surpassed expectations and said everything under the sun, also. And Biden smiled and smiled.

Palin is a populist pro. She hit all the notes that resonate with non-elite Americans: family (Hi Mom and Dad!), “Can I call ya Joe?” personal responsibility, Wall Street greed, children with special needs. Her most effective technique was speaking directly to the American people and letting Joe know that’s what she was gonna do, doggonit.

Stylistically, she used the language of the people to great effect. And, you know what? If you want to know what the American people care about, you can go to a kid’s soccer game on Saturday and ask parents how they feel, and “I’ll betcha you’re going to hear some fear.”

[…]

She did have a partially blocked artery (plaque) right where three of them branch out and at the very beginning of the stent that was put in last June. Doctor said he was going to add a second stent but after he used the balloon to open the artery up it looked just great and circulation was back to normal. He is not sure why the plaque built up saying everyone IS different and that hopefully this will be it. She will still need to see the cardiologist regular like. So I guess it is a wait and see what happens thing just like me!! But we both would just love for all this crap to be over!!

Well now, I regret pulling FDL into this debate twice in one week. But as a woman, I’m not a shrinking violet. And I resent being treated with kid gloves in a double standard kind of way.
If there’s a nasty comment that somehow offends “womanhood” I say bring it on and let’s kick their fucking ass.
Enough with implications that sexist comments can’t be spoken. Bring it on and let’s just settle this thing here and now.
It’s sexist to say don’t offend women. In my less than humble opinion. It’s like saying think it but talk in code, it makes us all more comfortable that way.

To a minority of vets of McCain’s generation, Iraq is their second chance to prove their manhood. McCain’s father and grandfather came home victors. He and his “comrades” were “stabbed in the back by Washington,” and they’re “not going to let that happen again.”

that’s my prayer – that it is all behind ya’ll now, dood

Palin is a populist pro. She hit all the notes that resonate with non-elite Americans: family

It is elitist to think that being stupid means that you are not an elite George Bush proved that way before Sarah came along.

Stylistically, she used the language of the people to great effect.

No she watched some Canadian version of He Haw and then went even cornier with the accent. She is an elite laughing at the poor people, only elites hunt Wolves from airplanes!

The Goopers have the crash carts out tonight – they’re trying to hold the Base together and prevent defections…but I think they have an uphill battle in front of them.

After tonight, they ‘know’ they can’t win, and Goopers are miserable when they have to own a loss.

Hi Suz – competent and factual is such a breath of fresh air!

TCU – I think Palin’s performance tonight split the electorate like you say: 70% Rational and Sensible on one side, and the 30% True Believers on the other.

C u pups 2morrow!

Did anyone comment on Palin’s co-opting of the “Never again” refrain against another Holocaust into a cheesy anti-tax mantra?

That was pretty horrendous.

Again, she has no idea about history. Very Bushian.

-G

Yeah by repeating the mistakes of Vietnam.

we discourage flame wars here at the lake and certain verbiage does bring on flame wars and personal attacks.

disagree with the message but do not attack the messenger

you do have a good point and I think my 4 sisters would agree with you! But sometimes there is a time and a place for it and things should not be said out of respect for your or in my case my lady! She does appreciate me not saying real crappy stuff like tonight when commenting about a certain Sarah..

Nite Radiofreewill I think our folks are emotional about this race as well as rational. The GOP is just emotional.

Thanks Suz, I know Julie will appreciate the kind prayer!! She is happily sleeping in our bed with Tucker snuggled up against her:>)

Home from work. I missed the first 15 minutes of the debate, rehearsing at East High in Anchorage. Then, in the car, driving to Eagle River, to teach my next class, listening to the debate on NPR.

Then I set up the debate on the screeen in class, running C-SPAN on my laptop. Palin did better than most expected, but Biden was very, very good.

MS ET was at a Wasilla Mexican Restaurant with a bunch of local Dems, being filmed by Italian and Catalonian reporters, as they reacted.

Glad to see the focus groups – especially women – are reacting coldly to Palin’s simple script.

g’nite rfw

hey et – dang, you missed the whole thang or just the first 15 minutes?

sorry, its been a long day and my reading comprehension is headed down the toilet along with my typo to word ratio

Though this was a good one: How Fast You
Can Read This
Essay Online

How John McCain’s techno-monopolism
will hurt the economy

John McCain is an AT&T guy; Barack Obama is a Google guy. And that’s one of the most important policy differences between the two.

Think of the Internet as working at different layers. There are all the pipes that go into your home, and then there’s all the stuff on your screen—from e-mail to eMule. The telecom companies like AT&T control the pipes; the software companies, like Google, create the stuff.

h/t http://www.cafeconleche.org/

Missed the first 15 minutes, then about five minutes between listening in my car and setting up the video feed for my class. Biden talking about being a single dad got me to finally accept him – he was about No. 27 on my list of possible VP Dem candidates.

That Palin didn’t flame out totally was reassuring to Alaskans, who really don’t want our state reflected too awfully by her performance. But I’m sure most people who watched from the undecided column nationwide, will not gain any respect for her qualifications for that office.

Spain sent reporters? Oh does Sarah speak in an Alaskan accent?

I was tied up from right after the debate until the time that CNN began their rebroadcast of the debate

So I missed all of the post-debate punditry

And we don’t get MSNBC where I am right now

I understand Pat Buchanan made an idiot of himself tonight.

Did the rest of the MSNBC crew unite in trashing Palin?

If anybody still here was watching…

I guess I’m just confused about semantics. Why is it okay to call a male a prick but to call a woman a c#@t we have to use subterfuge to say C##t.
Isn’t it the same thing?
Aren’t we setting ourselves up for continuing generations of being to fragile to handle real life? Will we faint on hearing these terms?
It’s sooo last centuary. If we want to be strong players I think it’s time to let those taboos go. They are already irrelevant in the new generation, well, according to the signs we saw during the 2004 March for Women’s Rights in DC. I admit, I was shocked, but I got over it.
I strongly believe this Victorian version of women’s delicate nature is truly holding us back.

tweety was all afire after the debate about sp wanting to expand the powers of the veep

pat b got tingles up his leg about sp and rachael had angry eyebrows

I understand Pat Buchanan made an idiot of himself tonight.

Dude needed a damp towel and a cigarette once he was off-camera.
Trying to reinstate himself on the GooperTrain I guess, and hammered his own cred doing it.

Well it close to time to turn into a pumpkin so good night good Pups see ya next late late night fun at the lake!! Sleep well when ya get there!

Yeah, there was a crew from Barcelona, from a progressive media group there. And another one from Milan.

I’ve spoken to about sixty reporters in the past four weeks who will be eternally grateful to Mooselini for spurring the financing for the trip to Alaska they always wanted to take…

Well gosh golly willickers shucks gee wiz, that debate sure was a hoot, don’tcha know?

Tequila is a wonderful disinfectant for the brain.

I think Sarah just telegraphed McCain’s strategy lower taxes equals jobs we need Obama to say during the Depression FDR put people to work even though he raised taxes and the economy got better.
We need Obama to point out Sarah’s record on getting earmarks and puting her town in debt see my comment 77.
McCain says that he wants Bush to veto the bailout that John just voted for we need Obama to say first John votes for a bill and he NOW wants Bush to repeal it?
Thats not leadership thats a split personalty!

I understand Pat Buchanan made an idiot of himself tonight.

That’s not makin’ much.

Was KO on? I can imagine what he thought…

g’nite nahant

Nite Nahant

am trying to remember – i think his post debate countdown covered the debate – egad, it seems like days ago (and was only hours – laughing)

I think Sarah just telegraphed McCain’s strategy lower taxes equals jobs

That’s not a strategy. That’s an article of revealed faith, directly from Saint Ronald himself.

Well saying Sarah won the debate because she was looking at the camera and spoke directly to the people? Joe had to many facts and was boring?
Pat was a great Idiot tonight, I’m sure Rachel was laughing in the background.

Nazi pedophile sentenced to 96 months.

well I can’t imagine he thought any more highly of her than tweety did…

would have liked to hear some of his lines though

hope daily show and stephen are doing new shows next week

Howard Fineman really punked Palin on KO’s late edition. He was unusually candid about her performance’s lack of truth and substance.

nite nahant

you can go to the countdown site and watch the segments

or even better, listen in another tab while here at the lake :)

More Sarah Palin fun!

ANCHORAGE — Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago — about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct — the teacher said.

et, do you think the change of seasons will lower the number of reporters or do you think it will increase until the election?

Yeah magical thinking but it did well with the CNN graph of undecided voters, I do not think that there are many undecided voters though.
Too many people looked at their retirement fund after the Dow dropped 777 points.
I expect McCain to pull out of Florida soon too many retirees living on pensions invested in hedgefunds.

that local music teacher is well known to us here at the lake

Yikes!!!

The footprints of time….

Sounds like an Obama ad.

Really who?

Good night Nahant. Happy things are stable.

ET?

Palin said “she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks,” recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.

http://www.latimes.com/news/po…..?track=rss

Just what books newspapers does Sarah read? No wonder she wouldn’t tell Katie Couric what see reads?

Wow really? Cool!

Suzanne, are you and the livestock settled in and comfy?

Dunno.

This past week has been the only truly beautiful string of days since May. The leaves are turning rapidly and starting to fall. Local hay farmers are baling their crop in the morning mists. I know David Neiwert was clearly shocked at the raw beauty he saw here at the edge of seasons. The film people are going nuts about how great the light has been these past nine days.

We call this last week or so of September and the beginning of October, Septober.

thanks for telling me about that, Suz. i didn’t realize you could watch reruns of the show there.

I’ll watch them tomorrow. I’m all done in.

nite, all.

Nite Neurophius

A Canadian Fred Phelps, Sarah Palin’s soul mate, or both?

Popescu introduced himself with a public prayer, blaming environmental damage and economic unrest on the wickedness of society.

His comments were met with silence as some students grimaced and shifted in their seats.

Near the end of the more than two-hour event, students were invited to ask the candidates questions.

As a long line of pupils waited to speak, Popescu told a young female student who asked about stem cell research that, “God would hurt” those who had an abortion.

The crowd jeered and many rose to their feet in protest after Popescu answered another teenager’s question on gay marriage.

During a telephone interview later in the day, Popescu reasserted his view.

“A young man asked me what I think of homosexual marriages and I said I think homosexuals should be executed,” he said. “My whole reason for running is the Bible and the Bible couldn’t be more clear on that point.”

the critters and i are fine – we are still learning our ways around the place but are settling in well.

this afternoon, i had to run out to the fred meyer to get a tv and coffeepot – i was jonesin real bad last nite (for the tv – i found a single cup french press to use last nite). the place is partially furnished for now – after i get the pod then it will be all my stuff but until then, the landlord is being great about me using her stuff. she lived in this flat while it was a bed and breakfast.

Sorry ’bout being so late to the thread.

I was wondering if there were going to be policy implications due to SP’s very deliberate announcement that we were planning on building an important embassy in Jerusalem?

Easy way to inflame the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, no?

its own special season. how wonderful. i’m trying to figure out how to get up there end of may or so to see ya

She looked a bit astonished. At some level she sort of likes Pat and was a bit appalled at his comment.

g’nite neuro – glad i was able to help

I think McCain pulled out of Michigan before the Sarah debate so Sarah’s performance in the debate would not be blamed for McCain giving up Michigan.
McCain knew that Sarah would not win over people. Sure she excites the base but that is it 30% will not win you an election.
So just What was the McCain campaign thinking when they picked her? Motivating the 30%ers would only work in a low turnout election.

i still think sp was an in your face choice by mccain after his real choice, hojo, was rejected. sp was payback to those who would not let him get his way.

The pukes try to pander to the Jewish vote by falling all over themselves to pledge more and more to Israel, and that doesn’t seem to work so well any more. Sure it’ll impress the neocons, but they are a very small minority of the Jewish vote.

So just What was the McCain campaign thinking when they picked her?

Strictly short-term relief from the three days of the Democratic Convention. They has lost, they knew it, and in that situation, an act of desperation was appropriate.
McCheese’s campaign doesn’t think days or weeks ahead – they are hour to hour now.

ok, pups, that’s it for me tonight. thanks for hanging out with me (and my typo’s) tonight

Agreed that was a choice made in anger. A logical choice would have given John someone who can bring in moderates.

Nite Suz!

Yeah, I’m familiar with AIPAC and its demands and policies being way to the right of the actual Israelis. I was just curious what would be the reaction by the Palestinians and their supporters in the Middle East or will it pass as just the usual crap US politics.

Although I guess the Spaniards are really riled about McCain thinking their president was an evil-doer from South America that he would not sit down with.

nite suz

Ms ET and I hope so, Suze…

nite suz!

I don’t think it will effect the middle east unless they thought McCain had a real shot at wining.

Spain getting angry Cool!

True.

My Mom and I were talking tonight that we needed to get McSlime a globe with all the countries made of flannel so we could move them around according to where he thinks they are.

Spain needs to be moved to South America somewhere. Iran has to get out from in between Iraq and Afghanistan but who knows where it goes.

Then I thought I heard that he though some South American country was in Eastern Europe now. This map would get quite interesting and be a lot of fun!

I was just curious what would be the reaction by the Palestinians and their supporters in the Middle East or will it pass as just the usual crap US politics.

IMHO, they’ve been pushed around so much in the U.S. media, especially during election campaigns, that it probably won’t arouse much mention, but it sure as hell won’t go unnoticed.

Yeah and you could move the Sunni’s to Iran and Iran’s Shia to Iraq, then you could move all the Al Quieda to Iraq out of Pakistan.

If McCain thinks Sarah won then why doesn’t he reopen his Michigan campaign?

That kind of crap really makes me mad. We (the US) used to be viewed (rightly or wrongly) as a mostly impartial mediator that people could trust to help them work out their differences. When Bushit took over he basically told the Palestinians to go suck eggs. And there went the whole mess (granted it was a mess before…) Now, four months before the end of his administration, Condi is running around like a chicken with her head cut off trying to ‘fix’ everything. It won’t work.

But comments like this reinforce the fact that we are NOT impartial, and make us appear to not even be trying to be. I surely hope an Obama/Biden administration can reverse this. We need to re-invigorate the UN, and the way to do that is to pay our dues, cooperate with other countries to get things done, and try to restore our credibility as an even-handed mediator.

See how much fun we’re having already!

I’m sure it would be hit with kids!

Excellent! Low pressure planning time before the pod arrives may serve you well. Coffee and tv deprivation, not so much;-)

I wonder what the Jesus Campers will think about what Sarah said about gay rights?
I do not think that she will fool any gay people but maybe she hopes to convince people that she is a moderate?

McCain and Palin are now Mr. and Mrs. Winky.

Boy, that act gets creepy with McCain and tiresome with Mrs. WolfSniper.

-G

That’s what the wink was for.

nite pups

Yes, I really hope the rest of the world who’re watching the debates can sense a difference in the two candidates. Not sure Palestine can. Not sure how painful it was to Iraki’s to hear nothing of their suffering. Hopefully they know by now it’s just American politics-don’t take it personally. It was horrible to hear Biden talk about the 80 billion in Irak oil revenue and how they should support the war themselves.
But what else could he say to the American public?

I wonder how the GOP is good for business MSM talking heads will handle McCain calling for Bush to veto the bank bailout?
If it does not pass its McCain’s fault. McCain needs an issue to run on lower taxes and attacking big business were both good issues for Sarah.

Nite Newtonusr

They will understand anything that gets us out of Iraq I’m sure would be welcome.

Well said.

-G

Our family had the same reaction,”What the hell did she just say?”. But it seemed to be kind of coded. Like maybe she was saying something we didn’t get? Or else we’re reading into every little thing. It stood out.

Some of her best friends are teh gay.

-G

I think that her religious friends though might drop her.

Next Ralph Reed will be saying the same thing the next time he runs.

Don’t forget paying for your own rape kit.

That kind of crap really makes me mad.

The U.S. has been unbalanced on the Israeli/Palistinian conflict, ever since Truman needed cash and media support for his 1948 campaign. He would not have won that election had he not made a deal.

He’d probably prefer to leave countries and people in place and just relocate their resources. Mexico might be a handy place to stash oil.

Deutsche Welle called it for Biden.

I’ll have to go to the transcript to figure out what Palin actually said and try to figure out whose facts were right. But there’s no question: She won the debate on popularity. She did her homework, studied hard, and delivered with spunk. Still, I had the uneasy feeling throughout that I was witnessing a data dump from a very appealing droid. Even the winks and jaw juts seemed slightly programmed. And the question remains: Is she ready to be president should the need arise?

http://voices.washingtonpost.c…..rsure.html

My bold

I’ll have to go to the transcript to figure out what Palin actually said and try to figure out whose facts were right

Kathleen does not know that General McClellan fought in the Civil War and is not the Commander in Afghanistan?
Kathleen does not know that sure Sarah cut taxes but Sarah is the Earmark Welfare queen?

Sarah kept talking about her executive record cutting taxes to bad Wassila got $27 million in the kind earmarks John says that he is against.

From 2000 to 2003, she secured over $27 million in earmarks, averaging $6.7 million in federal money every year for her town of about 6,700 people. …(read on)

As mayor, Sarah Palin managed to secure a thousand dollars a year per person in her city in earmarks, yet…

When Palin left office in 2002, Wasilla had “racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt,” or roughly $3,000 of debt per resident. …(more)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..n-in-debt/

Has Kathleen been investigating Sarah as VP at all?

She did her homework, studied hard, and delivered with spunk.

How can Kathleen say that Sarah did her homework when Kathleen admits that she will have to go to the transcript to figure out whose answers were right?
Thats like saying I copied off Sarah’s paper because she did her homework but I don’t know if the answers are right.
And then saying that Sarah is so smart because she did her homework.
First rule Kathleen never cheat off a stupid person.

OT I just had a weird thing happen. In the events of the night I’d forgotten to lock our new chickens into their roost. I went out with my flashlight, making enough noise to wake the dead…and a “dog” stared at me, then retreated down a path not 5 feet from where I stood. With many options for more slinky paths away from me.
It was a coyote. In my whole childhood on the prairie a coyote has never opted for an escape that goes feet from a human!!! I actually LIKE coyotes. This was freaky.
After my heart stopped pounding I imagined what it must be like for the people of Irak to encounter not rogue coyotes, but rogue humans. when a sound alerts you to a presence, but it’s too late to do anything but scream.
We must end this now. We must not allow Obama to think escalating our killing in Afganistan is the answer to world peace.
My heart is still pounding!

Is your cool red birdy still around?

yes, every morning and evening :D

The chirping is much better than an alarm clock!

I put out some lard for him and mate for the fall.

I find it hard to square the empathic Biden from tonight with the guy who voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2005.

Re: OT A rabid coyote? It is strange for one to do that with an adult.

Attaturk is upstairs!
Know what you’re quoting

excellent :)

Yeah, that was my first thought..rabies..and me armed with a tiny flashlight?
It was very uncoyote like. But we live in an area where coyotes are a relatively new problem.6 years. Someone released them.First started getting coyote sightings 6 years ago. It’s a frigging ISLAND! They have to have been dumped here.
So the possibility of them being not rabid but 5 generation bold is more likely. Not to underestimate the rabies thing.
We also have an infestation of Norwegian Rats that are creating havoc-never had those until 5 years ago. They’re incredibly cute and horrible at the same time!!!

Palin’s final quote was from Ronald Reagan, warning that without vigilance, “you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”

Instead, we are going to be spending our sunset years telling our children what is was line in America before Bush bankrupted the country, financially and morally. I hope we don’t have to add the 4 or 8 years under McCain/Palin iced the cake.

“Impactful” is not a word!!!

Affecting is a perfectly good word. Learn to use it!