I hope the subject of domestic violence comes up. Everyone knows she’s ignorant on the Constitution, and that any of her foreign policy responses will be canned.

P.S. I’m angry at Ian (inappropriate to admit after complimenting Attaturk’s “Temper, Temper” post).

Hey, kewl…google’s got a voter registration link on its homepage. Everybody knows this election matters.

Imus talking to Pete Hamill this morning. On John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin, both use a “c” word:

Hamill: casting
Imus: cynical

Hamill also called it irresponsible, imagine McCain going to dinner at Sarkozy’s and falling face forward into the vichyssoise…and she’d be in charge of 20,000 nukes…spooky.

Um. Yeah.

Expectations for Palin are so low that she ‘wins’ by showing up and appearing to speak english.

I’m sure Biden will bring up his ‘domestic violence’ bill and Wasilla’s view that rape victims pay for their exams.

I just listened to Biden’s answer about Roe v. Wade, etc. Can there be any starker contrast between the tickets we have? It’s absurd that there even has to be an election, much less a close one.

that worries me. it seems like a no win situation for us. i can’t see her fucking up the whole thing.

appearing to speak english.

That’s the problem the debate coaches are having….she can’t.

Somehow I think palin’s (and the reich wingers’) definition of “English” and ours are two vastly different languages. *g*

Mornin’, BT, pups.

Still, I don’t have great faith that the remaining “undecided voters” can recognize that. Her answers may remind many of them of the last essay question they ever tried to answer. On the other hand, the fact that the polls indicated most didn’t care for McCain’s debate performance gives hope. Palin’s airheaded answers seem as petulant and nasty as McCain’s, but delivered with an actual smile.

P.S. I’m angry at Ian

And how does that contribute to the debate? I hope that is snark.

It’s absurd that there even has to be an election, much less a close one.

This statment is quite puzzling. We have the teevee corporate sockpuppets telling us that giving rich people is a good thing. It is more important than campaigning. The next step is an economic collapse will require the elections be cancelled. Remember 9-11, elections were cancelled in NYC. We have already lost the Goddamn piece of paper. Elections may be next.

Why haven’t I seen anything worthy of disdain coming from The Weekly Neocon? Nor have I seen anything about Sardonicus’ op-eds in NYT. An economy in the toilet was never in their vision of a militaristic empire.

Quit feedin’ the goddamn trolls.

A note to Selise:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10.....nt-1660518

Have a great day everyone! I plan to and am looking forward to the ‘debate’ tonight. I bet Sarah will be learning a lot tonight as she listens to Joe speak. It’s my hope she nods in agreement at least once! Priceless.

fyi - stiglitz on democracy now! right now talking about the economic situation.

Why do you hope it’s snark that I’m angry at Ian? Why is my being angry at Ian any worse than Ian being angry at Obama?

What I was questioning about the election is that there is a “contest” between two candidates so amazingly qualified (even if you disagree with one or the other thing that they have said or done), and two that are so marginally qualified (McCain having credentials, but lacking character - witness Attaturk’s post and linked articles, and Palin having an extremely low level of knowledge). Obviously, I don’t question the fact that there needs to be an election every four years. That was snark.

I think Ian was full of shit last night too.

r troll

I am sorry. I am so angry that I may have to start drinkin’. And last night Ben Stein said Paulson actually received, not $700 million, but $1.2 billion from GS because of their sub prime mortgage business. Whatever the financial problem, GS and Paulson helped cause it.

Did y’all see this Horsey cartoon on the debate prep?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/.....sp?id=1833

Why do you hope it’s snark that I’m angry at Ian? Why is my being angry at Ian any worse than Ian being angry at Obama?

Ian is a firepup in good standing. We do not know if you are a friend or foe. It has been suggested that you are a Total Information Awareness Troll.

I wouldn’t miss this for the world. Sure am glad the Rays/ChiSox game is this afternoon. Baseball in the afternoon on the radio - a time honoured tradition.

Selise - I have to wait until noon to catch it on the radio otherwise I only get bits and pieces. Am I correct that Stiglitz is a recent convert away from the “free trade” meme?

I don’t think she should be asked ANYTHING that has been covered in the previous interviews with Gibson and Couric. They will have already prepared her for those and she will have snappy answers for them. Ask her something she hasn’t been asked yet…..tons of material out there.The american people are already seeing her for what she is-a lightweight fraud. Don’t give her a chance to redeem herself at all.

Paulson ought to get down on his knees and present Pelosi a $1Billion check made out to U.S. Treasury.

Bullshit, I argued with him and the rest of the people who were hysterical about the vote. Ian puts his pants on one leg at a time like everyone else.

That’s rich. LOL.

on the house’s schedule for today:

**Possible Consideration of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Subject to a Rule)

nothing yet on the house rules committee website, will have to keep an eye peeled today for emergency meetings.

OT - Crews find plane believed to belong to Fossett

Am I correct that Stiglitz is a recent convert away from the “free trade” meme?

recent since his time in the clinton administration. after that we was chief economist at the world bank, where think he was forced to resign for speaking out against neoliberal policies (i think by larry summers?) since then he has written several books (for the lay audience) against the policies of neoliberalism, “free trade” and has offered reforms to the system. he’s no revolutionary, definitely a reformer in my book, but a reformer who looks deep and is not satisfied with superficial change.

he also advocates for more popular democracy and has complemented the anti-wto protesters in seattle.

selise @ 15 -

Did you see where Amy has won something referred to as an “alternative Nobel” award….sounds pretty impressive and more than well deserved.

“It has been suggested”? Sounds like corporate speak to me. Anyway, we’re fighting a war against Rethug fascism for the next 32 days. People have a right to an opinion about the bailout bill and anything else, but I’m officially angry at anyone who is trying to thwart Obama’s chance to win or claim that he’s sold anyone out because he has a disagreement about how to solve a problem. We’re fighting a war: we need to be disciplined for 32 days. I’m particularly annoyed at Ian who has his own Canadian government to throw stones at if he’s in the mood to do that. (Thank you, Raven, for the moral support - hoping that I don’t unfairly taint you with my views.)

IMO the vote itself is a non-issue except to show just how little real problem solving went into their alleged solution. Not a one of them read those 451 pages prior to the vote. All they knew was their golden geese were in trouble. Only a few will admit that the system is seriously flawed.

I couldn’t get on anymore shit lists than I already am around here.

How’re ya doing today, Mr. Dragon? Stocked up on supplies for tonight’s debate?

Need to get a fresh jug of single malt and I’m good to go.

Damn, what is it with me and the Reply link lately?

i missed that - thank you so much for telling me about it!

New York City, NY – Award-winning journalist and host of Democracy Now! Amy Goodman is the first journalist to receive the Right Livelihood Award, widely recognized as the world’s premier award for personal courage and social transformation. The annual prize, also known as the Alternative Nobel, will be awarded in the Swedish Parliament on December 8, 2008.

The Right Livelihood Award was established in 1980 to honor and support those “offering practical and exemplary answers to the most urgent challenges facing us today”. Goodman has been selected for “developing an innovative model of truly independent grassroots political journalism that brings to millions of people the alternative voices that are often excluded by the mainstream media.”

Pioneering the largest public media collaboration in the country, Democracy Now! is a daily grassroots, global TV/radio/internet news hour airing on more than 750 public radio and television stations and at democracynow.org.

Goodman said, “I am deeply honored that grassroots, independent journalism and the hard work of my colleagues at Democracy Now! are being recognized in these critical times. I strongly believe that media can be a force for peace. It is the responsibility of journalists to give voice to those who have been forgotten, forsaken and beaten down by the powerful. It is the best reason I know to carry our pens, cameras and microphones out into the world. The media should be a sanctuary for dissent. It is our job to go to where the silence is.”

Good Morning Blue Texan and Firedogs,

general question: am I to understand the pork added in the Senate is supposed to sweeten the bill for House Republicans or was it for the House Dems who originally voted no ??

Few who? Congresscritters or every-goddamn one? I’ll tell you what, the flawed system won’t get changed if McCain gets elected. Will it if Obama does? Beats me but there is a better chance. I just can’t buy all this revolution bullshit. I saw way too many of these “revolutionaries” 40 years ago that were nothing but talk and very willing and able to get well meaning people hurt.

Debra Dickerson now on Imus…and this is why I watch the show. People like Dickerson and Hamill get too little time in the media on shows like Sit! Wolfie and Morning Joe.

Instead we are subjected to fatheads screaming at each other…”Crossfire” metastasized.

Of course. May I suggest that there is a complete coverup of real information about this Paulson Scheme. Just the same as Irak. No one knows anything about it, because it is being concealed by Paulson, and the rest of his crew. The consequence is universal outrage.

One group of rich people lost a lot of money to another group of rich people. The first group does not want to pay. So both groups of rich people want you and I to pay instead.

semi-universal

The far left is as inconsolable as the far right. They tend to demand that you agree with them 100%. If you challenge their thinking to any degree whatsoever, you’re colluding with the corporatists (read: masters). IMO that mindset is reminescent of a 12-year old’s.

Dickerson to Imus: Republicans, first Clarence Thomas, now Sarah Palin….

It’s forkin’ contagious! I’m just gonna go back to the old tried and true of typing a name and comment number. :-(

I couldn’t get on anymore shit lists than I already am around here.

Well, mine is completely full at the moment, but I could put ya on stand-by…. *g*

selise @ 36 -

It’s unfortunate for the country that she doesn’t have a *much* wider audience.

frank - did you listen to the conference call the treasury had with over 800 bankers and financial analysts on sunday night? they were told something far different than we were about the bailout.

McCain’s choice of Palin unbelievably arrogant and cynical and disrespectful, says Debra Dickerson [did you know she spent 12 years in the Air Force as a linguist and then an intelligence officer]?

I agree. I may or may not like any single action of Obama, but now doesn’t seem to me to be the time to be disouraging support for him. This may be the most important election in my long lifetime, and I think there are very clear differences between the two tickets. It seems to me that the argument (often seen here) that both parties are representative of only corporate wealth and are equally detrimental, is to argue that there has been no significant deterioration in this country in the last eight years. I don’t know if anyone can turn it around, but our only realistic chance is with Obama and the Democrats. I’m thankful that Obama is willing to try, and I think it takes a lot of personal courage on his part, considering the history of this country, to go out every day in huge crowds and say his piece.

It’s unfortunate for the country that she doesn’t have a *much* wider audience.

amen.

it has been a source of amazement to me that she and dn! haven’t gotten more references on the center left blogs (although that is changing, thanks i think to glenn greenwald).

And what you will hear is , “we have to hold his feet to the fire now”. WaaaaaWaaaaa

See kos for definition of a “post turtle”:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....847/617507

hehehhehe

Sanders for one. If Kennedy had been there he’d have had something to say. Revolution in the sense I use it means causing fundamental change in the socio-economic system. When Thatcher was PM there was a struggle for control of the economy between the industrial capitalists and the financial capitalists on England’s equivalent of Wall Street. The financial capitalists won out, with Thatcher and her party’s help, and the deindustrialization of England began. Shortly thereafter the same thing happened here. With the exception of cars, war toys and genetically modified grains we produce virtually nothing for export. We may very well be the largest debtor nation in the world. Che, and others who espouse his style, thought violence would bring change. It did, by making oppressive regimes even more repressive. If we continue along the path we’ve followed since adopting a strictly neoliberal foreign and domestic policy we will truly become a corporate state, much like that in 1984.

JHFC. That was for Raven @ 38.

Here’s the link to the Imus interview page…you can listen to the interviews later this morning of Dickerson and Hamill [if they post ‘em by then. Oliphant’s on from yesterday.

And I lump dreadful Dobbs among the detritus that you can just ignore.

It is clear one of them knew his stuff and the other didn’t. Unfortunately, that pretty much defines the voting population, but there are more of the “didn’t” folks in there.

Roger that. I know you’ve played/coached a lot of basketball. Some background in team sports is useful.

Well my brother, we have people using “last straw” to mean they are going to vote for Obama and then never vote for one of the two parties again. We have people saying “last straw” meaning they are not going to vote for Obama now. We have people “talkin bout a revolution” who mean what you mean and people “talking bout a revolution” that mean what Che meant.

I read some of the details. Talk about a Smoking Gun!. Paulson is telling his rich friends how to evade Congress and accountability. It is a total conflict of interest. They are hiding something. I am guessing just the facts of the mortgage deals, who owes who, will incriminate GS, and the others.

Everybody is mad as a hornet and but get mad at the people picking your pocket.

Surprised nobody has mentioned that she has a degree in journalism and couldn’t name Times v. Sullivan. Maybe she was absent that day.

McCain up on MSNBC.

asked about earmarks - “Well, that’s just the way the system works, and that’s why it has to be changed.”

Huh? You voted for it, right, you condescending old fuck?

Oh, and he barely took a breath before going off on Obama’s earmarks.

feh.

Can you summarize for those who don’t have the ability or time to listen to the whole thing?

If Kennedy had been there he’d have had something to say

so would i. but that doesn’t mean i advocate for violent revolution - just the opposite.

but i do advocate for open debate and efforts to judge our own leaders according to the same standards we use to judge our opposition’s leaders.

McCain is beginning to get some weird ‘way removed from reality’ look about him.

(not just what he *says* - he’s *looking* crazy)

With McLiar running ads that criticize Obama for supporting McLame’s Bailout vote…well I think supporting a McStoopid choice ia also McStoopid.

yes. that’s why i downloaded the torrent and posted it as a streaming flash audio - so folks who don’t use bittorrent or are on dial up can give it a listen and judge for themselves.

amazing. almost on the order of those phone calls by the enron folks talking about ripping off californians on their energy bills.

I hope the subject of domestic violence comes up

in my wildest dreams ! - y’all ever heard a winger hold forth on the subject ?!?!?

then again, even if it did Palin has proven to be deficiently conversant in wingnuttian, having only a broad outline

anyone who hasn’t read the Rolling Stone article about McCrazy should do so ASAP.

and then forward it to as many people as possible…

http://www.rollingstone.com/ne.....ohn_mccain

McCain using his Eisenhower Normandy talking point to Kramer on Morning Joe.

Kinda like that look on a face when something you are tied to is about to explode?

Just switched over but not seeing at the moment what you describe……left eye looks O.K. this morning. Count on nobody on scar calling him out on his lies. :-(

And Kramer is sucking it up like the good little lapdog that he is, isn’t he??? I’m at work so no Moanin’ Schmoe for me…Thank the gods!!!

*g* Yep, I said I was through with the 2 parties. I meant I’m through working with/for them, but I’m not an absolutist. If a true “progressive” comes along I’ll work for him/her but I certainly don’t like the lesser of 2 evils concept we’re constantly presented with. Change is going to take a long time. Hopefully, I’ll see some changes in my lifetime but I’m not content to sit on the sidelines and wait for someone else to do it for me. I would never be a viable candidate for any public office so I have to so whatever else I can.

I agree. I posted a comment on JimWhite’s Oxdown on defying Public Opinion…

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/363

I was critical of the netroots.

Just so you know, I posted a little tirade about all the “fuckers” that were railing against Obama last night. Didn;t want you to read it and think I was dodging. Some people apparently get all upset if they think they might qualify for that description.

When it comes to violence I can only repeat Gandhi -

“I will believe violence will overcome violence when you can convince me that darkness will overcome darkness.”

Violence solves nothing. Just the opposite. We have a unique system of government, not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it’s the best out there. We cannot solve the problems we have by putting band-aids on a flawed system and our economic system, based on the whims of Wall Street, is seriously flawed.

We’re cool. If my friends and I agreed on everything the only thing we’d have to talk about would be baseball and that gets old after a while.

equanimity indeed

I think the campaign has taken a toll neither he nor his supporters foresaw. His age, his injuries and recurring melanomas combined are probably acting on his system in unhealthy ways.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

Krugman holds his nose but approves.

Correction: Krugman approves, but holds his nose.

Response to the wingnuts that complain about Ifill:
Condi: ”I’d like to thank Gwen for that wonderful introduction. And even if you aren’t getting invited, I can tell you that she is, in fact, an excellent cook. I’ve been able to partake of that since I’ve been in Washington.”
Gwenn cooks for Condi. Yup. Gwen really hates neocons…