("Bidencuda" from twolf.)
Some more comments from contributors…
10:14 After Cheney, Palin wants MORE authority for the Vice President? (Blue Texan)
10:15 We can’t talk about Bush, Governor Palin keeps saying. Only we’re supposed to talk about McCain’s record, which shares 9 out of ten votes with Bush’s. Parenthetically, my kid just got Bingo. (Julia)
10:17 JB VP Cheney has been the most dangerous VP in American history. He works in the executive branch, he should understand that. The primary role is to give his and her best judgment when sought, and to preside over the Senate when there is a tie vote. The only legislative authority he has is to break a tie. The notion that he’s part of the legislative branch is bizarre and dangerous.
10:18 GI Achilles heel?
10:18 SP Nah, I don’t have an achilles heel. Plus, I have a connection to the heartland of America [stashed away there in the attic, there, up in AK, huh?] More important is that world view, that I share with John McCain, shining city on the hill as St. Reagan said. We are not perfect, but together we represent a perfect ideal. Those things we stand for.
10:20 JB You were very kind that you said my only achilles heel is my lack of discipline. Other say my weakness is my passion. Wrote the crime bill, put 100,000 cops in the street, wrote the Violence against Women act, McCain voted against twice. I’m must better off than most Americans, but the notion that somehow, because I’m a man, I don’t know what it’s like to raise two kids alone. I understand, as well as, with all due respect, what it’s like to those sitting around the kitchen table.
10:21 SP People aren’t looking for more of the same. Maverick maverick maverick maverick maverick. That’s what I’ve done as governor also. John McCain’s maverick position indicated by supporters he has: Lieberman, Romney, Giuliani. [In other words, Republicans love him] We have got to win the wars. We have got to not allow the greed and corruption any more. Entrenched partisanship.
10:21 Biden tears up, saying"I know what it’s like not to know if your child is going to make it." Tender moment. (mommybrain)
[If partisanship is so bad, why won't you allow the Branchflower investigation go forward?]
10:23: JB John McCain has not been a maverick on the things that matter. the War, send your kids to college, anything that genuinely affects the things people talk about when they sit at the kitchen table. Maverick he is not on the important critical issues that affect people at the kitchen table.
10:24 GI Long-held view to accommodate long-held circumstances. Judiciary. Used to believe that a nominee had a judicial temperment, no moral terpitude. It didn’t take me long to realize that the ideology against the judge matters. That’s why I led the fight against Judge Bork, that was one of the intellectual changes that took place. I was the first Chair of the JC that it matters what your judicial philosophy is.
10:26 SP Times I did not veto budgets, but knowing that was the right thing to do for that year. There were times I wanted to zero base budget. On the major principle things, I haven’t had to compromise, we have worked together, not caring about who gets the credit for what. That’s what we’re going to do.
10:27 GI bipartisanship?
10:27 JB I think if McCain were here, he’d say this. (Tells a story, Joe, everyone’s sent here for a reason, don’t question their motive. I have not questioned a motive.) That’s the fundamental change Barack Obama and I will bring: not questioning other people’s motive.
10:29 SP here’s how I would support bipartisanship. Tell you you can vote for us, who will create jobs, or them, who will end them.
10:29 SP I like being able to answer the tough questions without the mainstream media filtering. Assure you that John McCain and I will fight for the middle class. [Wow!! The Republicans have discovered the middle class!!] Freedom’s always just one generation away from extinction. There is only one man who has ever really fought for you: McCain.
10:31 JB Look folks. This is the most important election you’ve ever voted in your life. There’s a need for fundamental change in our economic and foreign policy. Barack and I don’t measure progress by how much regulation we cut and how many CEOs get rich. We measure progress by whether you can pay your mortgage, send your kids to college. In the neighborhood I grew up in, it was all about dignity and respect. Men and women who if they believed in themselves, they could succeed. When you get knocked down, get up. It’s time for America to get up together. May god bless all of you, and may god protect our troops.
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thank the universe it is over
OMG I love the Bidencuda!
she held up well. We won.
Does anyone else already have a hangover from the debate drinking game??
is it really?
aw shit – do we have to listen to Dancin’ Dave Gregory until 11:00?
David Gregory is a simpering monkey.
Just sayin’.
Too bad Biden didn’t immediately take her up on her wish to debate again. It would have been great to see her squirm her way outta that one!
TWEETY just killed her
well if you were keeping up with it you would be dead
BTW, Mr. Gregory, Palin is a governor, not a Senator.
Huge thanks to Marcy and Eli for the liveblogging.
Marcy goes directly from us to a live radio program. All in a day’s work.
And Eli is our new liveblogging star. He’s got the speed and the snark. We are sooo lucky.
Wow ! Palin did well ?
By which measure ?
I have a hangover, and I was not drinking!
yep
Bidencuda! I love that!
“Biden had a good night. Palin avoided answering the questions.” (paraphrased) – Schieffer.
The real winner of the debate? Why, the FDL community!
First time I’ve seen her holding the baby.
I’m pooped & drunk from liveblogging tonight. LOL
no, as a matter of fact you have full control over your television set
this is the Inner Limits
Gregory feverishly slapping LIPSTICK on THE PIG
Even Campbell said Palin’s answers seemed canned. Really? Spit.
what did he say?
That thing has an o-n/0-f-f switch, doesn’t it? *g*
Matthews – “Not too much humility (in Palin)”.
Dancin’ Dave: “But what about presence on stage – wasn’t she wonderful?”
fuck you Dave. Don’t you have a date with KKKarl tonight?
Baby doesn’t need burping, Sarah. Unless it had too much Tylenol PM Liquid…
JoeRacula ?
I blame Remy Martin !
HE said she wanted MORE power as Vice president
I can’t say that one Petro. I’m drinking. LOL
Man, the way she makes the 6 year-old hump that baby around…
I’m waiting for KO and Rachel.
I have a headache. Biden’s comments on Cheney were superb.
she almost dropped the poor thing going down the plane steps today….oy
Brooks and Shields thinking she did much better than with Couric…high energy. Question about whether folks will like the casual lingo…maybe.
If the right wingers of America were thrilled with Palin’s performance tonight, then it will be because they too are reciting the exact same neocon talking points!
NOooooo … HoJo on CBS …
Tweety – “she was reciting so much I thought I was listening to a spelling bee”
lol.
Brooks saying he has been accused of being an anti-intellectual. This is not true. He has been accused often and repeatedly of being an emptyheaded idiot spouter of talking points. Big difference.
She did change the subject a lot tonight. George Bush always does the same thing. He creates the problem and then announces the solution, even though everyone is saying there isn’t a problem.
Rachel felt she was too folksy,and at the same time mean
NOooooooooo … Ferraro on NBC …
At this point, Palin couldn’t even star in the movie, Legally Blonde.
epu’d — i can’t get over how she handed the baby to the 7 year-old and let her go down the stairs with him!
PAT b. POISONED ON KOOLAID
pat buchanan is sporting wood for Palin.
DIGG IT PUPS!!
Prejudiced Pat loved Sarah.
When she goes into cutesy mode it is repulsive – so unattractive for anyone over 6
I thought Palin was jerky tonight, but then again, this is not much of a stretch from how she appears at the rallies.
I took three Advil before the debate.. and now i have a new headache.
Pat Buchanadana – “She was sensational and wiped the floor with Joe Biden tonight.”
delusional old fart.
lol
BwahahahahahahahahahaPat Buchanonis on CRACK
I think she started out strong but after the first couple questions it was downhill from there. She’d give a one or two sentence appropriate answer then shift to rambling talking points. Question after question. By the end she was pathetic. Now I need a drink. Can I get you a single malt, sir? Yes, please, thank you.
REAL feminists can’t stand it.
attractive. there it is.
Hah … Jake Tapper on ABC – “Lots of casualties of facts”
This is the It’s always good for the Republicans meme. If Palin had actually showed any substance, they would have crowed about that. She didn’t so now they are going for folksy.
Biden was reasoned and substantial (although I often didn’t agree with that substance) so he lacks a common touch.
While you’re getting your drink, you might want to resusitate Eureka Springs above. LOL
I would love to know what Biden said to her before they all left the stage – he looked kind and she was nearly in tears.
WOO go marcy!!!!!
you sound AWESOME
Boring and right vs. exciting and wrong. Rachel nails it in translating Pat.
Cspan callers.
One said Sarah did really good job
Another just said she didn’t think Sarah Palin did to well when she said you don’t have to understand the causes of global warming. Sounded like lack of intellectual curiosity (paraphrase)
Another just said she supports Bob Barr.
MSNBC needs to get rid of old PAT the RAT
on expanding the Unitary Vice-President – Pat Buchanadana thinks the point was trivial.
I’m shocked.
Buchanan said she was the most attractive tonight. *rolling eyes*
“Boring but right, versus exciting but wrong”-Rachel Maddow…. Touché
Boo kannon is taking Sarah’s cue and lying through his teeth!
polls up yet or does the hand wringing happen first?
Maddow just SLAMMED Buchanan
Boring and right or exciting and wrong, that’s America’s choice.
Pat Buchanan felt a tingle up his leg, and then a trickle down…
Through the eyes of fascists.
THat was soooooooooooooo funny
Ouch!
Probably something about their sons heading to Iraq. What else could it possibly be?
She said it. Said she thought the VP should have more power, particularly regarding the Senate.
she and her family certainly left in a hurry.
Ah. Makes sense.
both CNN and MSNBC quick votes so far have Joe up around 75% TO 25%
aww, hate to see Trig as a prop
The media narrative set this up to be a 10 car pile up and probably a lot of viewers were looking for Tina Fey.
It was clear from anyone that is a little bit informed knew that it would not be the case and that Palin would filibuster with talking points as long as she could as the Democratic Opponent in Alaska predicted here.
I’m up to the question about how do you change the tone in Washington. Joe Biden just sounds wonderful, looks wonderful. He’s tenacious.
Boring but right? Am I odd for having found his explanations clear, interesting, and edifying?
Unusual for her she usually hogs the stage.
nah. she also carried the babe coming off her plane, on camera of course.
I can only assume Buchanan is launching a new career in absurdist comedy tonight. A real Andy Kaufman act there.
I’m sure the media’s going to spin this as a big win for Palin even though she was transparent and shallow and pathetic.
But Obama’s getting too much momentum and they need it to be a horse race to keep raking in the big advertising dollars.
Me too!!! Boy, is THAT not fair.
It’s just a prop for her photo ops.
ROFL
Touché
My jingoistic keyboard refuses to speak any foreign languages.
fucking Republican piece of shit.
Does anyone still take Peggy Noonan seriously ?
Well, he, of all people, wouldn’t want to find a man attractive. :)
“She killed, It was her night” – Peggy Noonan
Peggy Noonan: “She killed. Killed.”
I thought he was fabulous.
Beschloss being his usual bland self. Why does PBS keep these fossils years after they have exhausted anything they have to say?
Another C-Span caller
Governor Biden did a good job, but she’s still for senator McCain.
Another said Palin is jimmy stewart.
I suppose if she was never seen carrying her baby, THAT would be weird. I always carried my own baby…
i know,i was yelling to the screen…HOLD ON TO THE RAILLING
thanks i was wondering
I would just like to say that for those people who think Sarah won on Folkiness and attractiveness I would just like to say that Sarah denigrated women and rural people worse than Hee Haw ever did.
You know, they say it’s good to have the ability to think outside the box, but Palin colors outside the lines! What you’ll get from her will not ultimately be a pretty picture!
Closing statements, finally, where in the world did the wine go? “Filter of Main Stream Media” …Katie Couric?
i really don’t think the “folksy” shit is going to play with most people. she just sounded like she was reciting lines without understanding them.
see 101
I’m scared to death of Palin. She only needs to smooth out her delivery and it’s going to get easier and easier for her to fool the masses. She’s tasted political celebrity and she wants this job really badly.
It was clear from anyone that is a little bit informed knew that it would not be the case and that Palin would filibuster with talking points as long as she could…
and I say again, thanks, Rahm, for the format.
douchebag.
I’m tired too, and have a headache from that voice!
Have to go get dinner ready now, and try to erase her from my consciousness so I can actually down some food.
Good-night, pups!
I couldn’t have handled this without you all! Thanks muchly.
Wow! I bet that is the real poll percentage for the campaigns too. ;-)
Not odd. I completely agree. I always enjoy Biden because he knows what he’s talking about – unlike itsy bitsy Sarah.
They pass that poor baby around like the prize ham at the county fair. It’s disgraceful.
John Harris….Biden won the debate. Some substantive, spontaneous. Palin: talking irrespective of the questions.
-uh-, there’s that knob thingie on your tv….
Good night MrsK8! It was fun laughing and pointing at a hockey mom tonight!
Beeb analyst — she clearly didn’t know what two-state solution is. And whazzup with moving embassy to Jerusalem?
Palin: Government needs to be more efficient and reign it in.
Bwahaha. She supports the surge though (and the defense contract industry I support). Biden should have asked her how much that cost.
In my opinion Palin came off sounding like an adolescent while Biden clearly was the adult. She lied and he told the truth with facts. He showed patience while she showed arrogance and contempt. And what was with her wearing black? Did someone die in her family recently?/not snark.
Peggy’s taking too high a dose of whatever…
Cutesy. That’s what it is! Seriously, I just couldn’t label the behaviour. Cutesy fits to a t.
remember who their audiences are. If Fox has a poll it would probably be reversed, but I’m not going to sully the cache of my laptop and go there to see.
Chuck Baldwin? (C-SPAN caller just said she was voting for this guy) This is bad news for McCain. I wonder how many are going to vote for Ron Paul?
Reporter on PBS said that impression in press booth was that Palin was hanging on for dear life in the debate.
i cann not watch….MSNBC anymore
A Joint Blog Commendation Medal for you folks tonight.
I salute your bravery under blithering fire.
folksy works when economics are going swell (think Clinton) but life as we know it is tankin gfaster than shrub’s job approval ratings. We need intelligence, wisdom, etc. to lead us out of this mess
CNN undecided studio audience overwhelmingly think BO will win the election.
NBC’s interview of Ferraro was abysmal. She claims to be a “democrat”; if so, it’s one only Joe Lieberman could love. Even ABC’s two Republican to one Democratic strategist commentary was more balanced than Geraldine.
Very cool.
Where’s KO?
Watching debate thru the filter of CNN, their little dial thingie, Palin/mavericky talk wasn’t excitin’ anybody.
Biden gave the debate of his life.
I’ve always called it perky. Gives me hives…
She’s an idiot governor with a disturbing religious fundamentalism and ultra-right-wing economic and foreign policy — if she starts clearing brush I’m going to scream.
because,, like most fossils, they are stuck in stone
Good thing that disadvantage children would be foremost in her duties as VP.
That was a relief. I’m glad he’s talking. Normal, intelligent voice doing a straightforward analysis.
I say this in the most judgment-neutral way:
Pal;in is there for the willfully ignorant base.
A larger number than one would hope, but far from a majority.
Up until this point she has alienated anyone with an ounce of self-respect.
The Couric appearances also helped lower expectations.
Does anyone else see her as more comfortable talking to men?
Eli’s got the wrapup
Who wants to bet Sarah is blaming Todd right now for her sucking so bad?
Fixed.
It will be interesting to see if there are any changes in the polling. The commentators seem pretty clueless in assessing it.
I thought she did well. She’s just wrong.
seemed so
Why does Palin want an embassy in Jerusalem? someone asked (hard to scroll). Cause that’s where the new Jeebus park will be.
Biden did well. That’s all he needed. Try to imagine how hard it was not to indulge his desire to smack her down the way she was inciting him.
I’m proud of him.
Agreee, especially put off will be older voters who DESPISE the way young people talk so fast these days so as to appear smarter. vacuous
“She killed, It was her night” – Peggy Noonan
The Nooner has a lot of making up to do before she’ll be allowed back into the Republitocracy, after her “bullshit” remark about Ms. Sarah.
Geraldine has demetia…and lethal JEALOUSY
Hell, she flashes her dimples and bats her eyes and giggles and she can make most of them start thinking with the wrong head…
Palin shivved the Religious Right with much leniency for gay couples.
The guy from Deliverance is on my TV. My wife tells me it’s Kit Bond.
He should have stuck with non-speaking parts in movies.
Excuse me for jumping in late I was upstairs having a slice of my mooseburger pizza with cactus sauce and old goat cheese. Was watching Rachel with her ball and chain, Buchanon. Palin was well rehearsed but that read she also did not answer some direct questions and refused to. Biden was good, could have made a few points that he didn’t but really did a good job. He called Palin out on practically all of her lies but didn’t bore in.
he was perfect…well informed on the issues passionate,and defferential to Obama
blithering? ahem blathering?The moment Biden choked up talking about his family spoke volumes to his humanity, regardless of his ideology.
Palin didn’t do well IMHO. She just sleezed her way out of every question she couldn’t answer. That’s disturbing. She wasn’t even familiar with any ones voting records.
Charlie Gibson…. He has two GOP’ers and a Dem for commentators, who agree that Biden won the debate. So Charlie chimes in that Joe spent the first hour “sounding like a lawyer”…, a transparent attempt to stick a rhetorical shiv into him. Liberal media my ass.
she is a female misogynist like most beauty contestants
now just a gol dern minute, ma’am, from one female to another, I commend the men for not throwing up in her face.
oh dear. the divil must be forcing me to talk in tongs…
okeedokee
wow, I never thought of them that way, but you’re right.
NPR is trashing her. Saying we won’t be seeing much of Sarah in the next few weeks.
Anyone else thing the NU-YU-LER was deliberate?
Palin reminded me of that bearded guy who sells miracle products on teevee.
I hope they hate her for that. Palin’s creationist base probably wanted a thundering pronouncement of doom and damnation. Something Jerry Falwell-esque. Instead her statement had that cliche “some of my best friends are gays and libruls” nuance.
Anyone else
thingthink NU-YU-LER was deliberate?GOOD!
Love the sinner but hate the sin
No persons of color tho.
She’s all bubbles. There must be some happy pill in her water bottle. I doubt she feels she failed.
niteee nite y’all
I’d hate to be a gay person in her vicinity.
My new machine will forever remain celibate where any *** site is concerned. That’s an abstinence program I can live with.
on my closing note, revisiting that which will give my young pro-musician friends endless reasons to hoot and howl, and help carry them through the hard times, AND remind them they MUST remember to vote. ;->
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..30901.html
The reichwing Israelis want to move their capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
YES! Good catch! She said it several times, then I believe she abruptly switched to the “real” word toward the end of the debate. Didn’t record it, so can’t check, but I’m pretty sure. That way, they could splice in any dang thing they want. I’m a suspicious old hag; suspect was on purpose.
I don’t think she changed a dang thing. Biden did good. She’s a 2-bit #$A*
She won’t change the reality of that campaign.
That doesn’t mean ANYONE should relax one iota. Obama/Biden MUST win.
she’s obviously counting on that, pious sweet thing that she be (oogh) but, speaking as a gal who happens to regard males as equals, I do think most of them could spot her a mile away, mebbe enjoy the view, but steer clear. she sparks danger signals in every direction.