9:22: Biden mispronounces "characterize."
("Bidencuda" from twolf.)
9:23: SP: John McCain doesn’t say one thing to one group and another thing to another group. I don’t want to answer a health care question. I want to answer an energy question. I took on the oil companies. So I’m just pretending that we’re not going to give tax breaks to big oil. Barack Obama voted for that energy plan. I had to undo in my own area of expertise.
9:24: GI: There’s nothing you would take off the table?
9:24 Shorter Palin: Obama’s in the tank for Big Oil. (Blue Texan)
9:25: SP: Well, since I’ve only been at this for 5 weeks, I don’t have to take anything off the table.
9:25: JB: Obama voted for alternative energy. Obama voted to eliminate them, John did not. Why is he adding to his budget 4 billion in tax cuts for the Exxon-Mobils of the world. I agree with the governor, she imposed a windfall tax. McCain will not support a windfall tax.
9:25: "Dawgone it, I think I’m just so cutesy that I can stand here and lie to your face and smile while I do it, and I actually believe that’s what you want in a VP." (Scarecrow)
9:25 Now he’s not Barack any more. He’s Obama. She’s the scourge of oil companies. We’re not going to give tax breaks to huge corporations any more. Which Obama is responsible for. As opposed to a generation of Republican oil men. A legion of energy lobbyists just had a stroke. Also, she hasn’t broken any promises because she’s only
been at this for five weeks. Reassuring. (Julia)
9:28: GI: Would you support bankruptcy?
9:28 SP: Yes, I would have. But things have changed in the last few weeks.
9:28: GI: Biden, you supported bankruptcy, Obama did not.
9:28: JB: Well, yeah, I did. But I don’t think mortgage holders have been hurt. (Or some such trash.) We should be allowing bankruptcy courts to adjust interest, but also principle. John McCain, I believe, and the governor don’t support that. There are ways to help that aren’t being supported by the Bush Administration and McCain.
9:29: SP That is not so. But rather than proving to you it’s not, I’m going to talk about my one topic: energy. We should just drill baby drill. Let us tap into our oil. I’m gonna keep insisting we’re not giving oil companies tax breaks.
9:28 Folks here can’t figure out what Sarah just said – she’s running out of talking points to repeat. (Siun)
9:29 Hey, mortgage bankers rear their heads just like Putin does (Julia)
9:31: GI Climate change?
9:31: SP I’m not one to attribute every activity of man to the warming (or some such gibberish). I don’t want to argue about the causes. How are we going to affect the impacts. We’ve got to clean up the planet. All of the above. And conserving fuel. But didn’t I just say dril drill drill?
9:32: JB: Climate crisis is man made. If you don’t understand what the cause it, it’s virtually impossible to come up with a solution. 3% of the world’s reserves. WE consume 25% of the world’s oil. John McCain has voted a billion times against alternative energy. We can create jobs and export it. China burning dirty coal. Export the technology. [Note, someone got to Biden and reminded him the ticket supports clean coal.] All they say is drill drill drill. Drill we must.
9:33 The other underexamined dynamic here is the opportunity for the wider public to see Biden stand up under a situation like this, to close the sale on his own potential presidential bona fides. I think when all is said and done, that’s going to be something people take away form this, the lower information types. Palin’s vocal tone rising, rate of speech getting faster. Nerves? NOO-Kyoo-ler! (Pach)
9:34: GI Caps on emissions.
9:34: SP The chant is "drill baby drill." (Correcting Biden on the asinine line, nice).
9:36: JB Why did John vote 20 times against funding alternative energy?
9:38: GI Do you support same sex couples benefits. No difference from Constitutional standpoint between same sex and heterosexual. Hospital benes, life insurance. [No mention of citizenship rights.]
9:39: SP No expansion if it goes closer to traditional definition of marriage. If any suggestion that I would be anything but tolerant of adults choosing relationships they choose best for themselves. I have dear friends who don’t agree with me on that issue. McCain Palin wouldn’t prohibit visitation in hospital. Non-support of anything but traditional definition of marriage.
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I just keep hearing Tina Fey…
Opposed funding for troops – here we go!
No uptick on line when she called Petraeus a hero.
Gottaa win in IraK!
ANOTHER THREAD!
Uh Sarah? We are now the extremists in Iraq. Spit.
Grow our military? How big is big enough??
Great photo!
Joe gets a much better response in Ohio on the war.
how is biden doing on the meter on CNN?
I love the photo too!
Oh shit, Biden must STOP saying number one and number two.
I want Joe’s Hell-Raiser voice now!
I wish someone would point out that 70% of Americans want out of Iraq.
yeah.. Tina’s out-Palined Palin. She’s defined by a liberal comic in NYC.
To the top. Sarah was baseline.
For John McCain, there is no end in SIGHT!
you guys
Huh? A white flag of surrender? Well, then, that means Bush is surrendering because he’s called for troops to start withdrawing next June.
white flag of surrender — one of the brits called BINGO
Brings out the “surrender monkeys!”
Biden pegging the meter on war approval. SP starts with a long long “um” and teh line just, er, “craters.”
seems like he stays mostly above the “neutral” line with both sexes most of the time. SP has more flatlines and dips with a few peaks. On Eyerack she is dipping
This is speed-debating. This is ridiculous.
Sarah in negative territory when she calls Obama’s plan white flag of surrender.
Liberal surrender monkeys!
Palin hasn’t answered a single question.
She’s an IDIOT. DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
I’ve never seen anyone so mentally flatline. He answers are SO pat, it’s like she’s one of those audio-aminatronic Disney figures on the Pirates of the Caribbean at Disneyland .
Send her ass back to Alaska.
(did biden say he and obama are against gay marriage? i couldn’t keep track)
Surge is bad for Sarah graph lines low
She’s a downer. A Debbie Downer.
Sarah slips in a cheap shot.
Joe’s laughing at her.
“…are knowing again…” — Again, she does not read English.
“white flag of surrender”?
And the uncommitted voter lines, both men and women, on CNN took a huge NOSEDIVE when she said that. Very dramatic.
Where are the sox??? Dam I can’t afford a new TV! She is reading her cue cards!!
she gets in a punch
huh?
the bitchiness starts to emerge.
She paused earlier because she was waiting for the voice in the earpiece to tell her what to say.
She’s swallowing hard. She’s scared.
Good.
go get er joe,
i can’t wait for her head to explode
talk about veterans’ benefits, pleeeeeeeeeeeeze!
Biden mentions his son in the war as an aside. I think he just won.
John McCain has been dead wrong on Iraq War
McCain “dead wrong” YES!
Joe going up when talking about McCain being wrong on the war.
These Barbies really learn to smile through any humiliation. You gotta give er that
War Round: Biden!
Senate votes: easy to explain conditionality. Why are they so afraid of doing so.
Good! Bringing up the lack of support for protective equipment for soldiers!
So far they are not giving the press lots of chum to regurgitate tomorrow. JMO we shall see.
She’s like a wind-up doll, pull her string and she just spits out some pre-memorized lines that include a word from the question but that don’t answer the question asked.
Gwen Ifill agreed to no follow-up questioning? This is a ridiculous exercise, useless, worthless.
708
she’s reading for all she’s worth now
speed reading, or trying to
Biden is smart! Sarah is not!
Digg it Pups!!
Bingo!
I wish someone would point out that 70% of Americans want out of Iraq.
I would also like to see an adult discussion about Iraq instead of an exchange of slogans.
Do you mean Joe-divide-Iraq-into-3-parts-Biden?
Good, very, very clear on why Pakistan more of a focus, NOT IRAQ.
She went to Charm School.
Thank you for saying that! My sentiments exactly!
FWIW, I do wish Biden & Obama would drop the whole Pakistan thing.
no, joe. the front line in the war on terror is not in asia. it’s in washington dc.
It’s the halfway point. Predictions? I say Biden by a landslide.
it is slowly leaking out of her BOUFANT
Think: Kerry – voted for it before I voted against it.
*shaking head*
If CNN’s little Ohio toggle lines are any indication, both men and women are far more approving of Biden… throughout most of the debate so far.
Um but there were no terrorists in Iraq before your crew got there
Pakistan not Iraq get Ossama Women maxed out on the graph for Joe Men just a little less Sarah drop to mid point.
Believe Osama! Sarah is just stupid.
NUKULAR! She said NUKULAR!
oh, crap. she did say ‘nukular’.
I would believe the leader of Al Quaida!!!
Noo-kyoo-luhr!
Sarah is ridiculously pathetic.
this woman is clueless
that would be the one!
Jesus Christ! She’s saying the word so much, I’m starting to THINK “nukular” in my mind!
palin scares me when she says. “period”
Akmedinijad achtung
Didn’t Sarah get her talking points poll tested?
Why didn’t they teach her how to say nu cle ar!
she is gonna get slammed on this
oh no. I can’t stand the idea of another 4 years of hearing nyoocular. aaarrggg
Note to SP: Sometimes world leaders speak in hyperbole.
NONONONO PULLEESE NO MORE NOO-Q-LER!!!
fear fear fear
She knows the names of dictators but she can’t name a newspaper she reads? Yep! She’s wired right now!
New -Q-lur!
Bwahahahahaha!
Good one.
YES.
For the past week, they’ve wired her and talked to her through it. She learned to do that and not learn about world issues.
she has to look at her notes to finish the sentence about israel
Flashback to that Miss So. Carolina beauty contestant smiling while spewing our her gibberish.
Must be something in the training for those contests.
Just because Kerry was inpotent on this issue does not mean it can’t be done. The Ds don’t even try.
LOL LOL!
she keeps pushing the same already exposed lies. Again and again.
there is no standard for lying anymore. gone.
ok, Sarah, I think we’re all convinced that you can pronounce Achmadinnerjacket’s name….
Now let’s work on “Nuclear”.
When she mentioned Kissinger, Biden perked up. I’ll bet he hits her with something about that.
LOL they hate america. roflmao
they hate our freedoms?
Bush 3
that is dangerous
Hate America didn’t move Sarah a bit
Um cause they don’t know she’s pronouncing it incorrectly
she had a conversation with Kissinger? That must’ve went well.
Gee Sarah, why the hell would anybody ever hate us?
Thank you. I want to hear that. I live in a red part of town in central OH, and there are plenty of Obama signs and bumper stickers.
I thought I heard that this debate the candidates would be seated!
oh, man. how many times do we have to hear this wives’ tale about Ahmendinnerjacket?
oopsie, i grabbed my 2004 talking points list by mistake.
LMAO!
She is just not raady for the big time.
Excuse me Ms. Sarah W. Palin, it’s pronounced Nuc-Lee-Ar.
OK, we all despise her, but she’s holding up. Damn.
Hehe!
It did. He stared at her boobs and to Sarah that meant he liked her and thought everything she said was brilliant.
Gunshy.
I also wish someone would point out that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons and can defend itself.
“steeaaaand for”
You gotta figure a lot of people will vote against her just so that they won’t have to listen to someone with her vocal chords in her nose.
Dolly Dumb says Sarah is doing a great job – screw the facts.
I’m so gosh darned proud to run with John McCain.
In a world gone insolvent, an unstoppable force travels from our past to destroy our future. He is . . . The Deregulator.
http://snipurl.com/3xln8
He’s the host of America’s least favorite reality game show: Drop the Regulations!
http://snipurl.com/3xlop
Minute 48: Palin’s response on Pakistan is so horrendously vapid that she’s surely the perfect tool for any (ahem) Washington K-Street Lobbyists who lobby the US on behalf of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan… and the other ‘Stans.
Good, Biden (courteously) draws a Line In The Sand for her vacuous nonsense.
woohoo he just schooled her on who controls Iran and it’s not imadinnerjacket
Biden MUST stop saying number one and number two.
But he won’t. He’s already done it skeenteen times.
Thanks to the wire in her ear. You don’t honestly believe she knows the names of dictators but can’t name a newspaper she reads? Come on!
SPAIN!!!!
I disagree
Is she? She sounds like empty factoids and talking points rattling around in a can.
Joe hits the Spain oops from McCain.
She’s an energy expert.. she’s nose her nookular energy
“leaders on one side or the other there”???
which side was it sarah?
oooh and nailed McSame for fucking up on Spain
Ok the bug is in her eyeglasses.
she has already exceeded expectations. Is this a game changer? I don’t think so. I hope not.
her brain has flip flopped
Um, and what would the Rs do in the Ds position? Dontcha use the weakness excuse with me. It makes my point.
why? it works for plain ole folk like me. He sounds like my grandpa when he would explain stuff to me
Sarah is an Oil Czar. Who knew. *rolling eyes*
he was tutoring her on foreign palicy.
Jerusalem is not the internationally recognized capital of Israel.
Ah, but Sarah, what newspaper did you read this morning?
Peace seeking? Yehright.
any *other* state threatening a second Holocaust?
damn – I gotta get out more…
You can see how her “comments” and “opinions” are all rehearsed a week ago
Joe mentions Spain Sarah got scared eyes bulged out I think she was told to avoid that topic it must not have tested well. Maybe anything that suggests McCain is Senile she was told to avoid.
words aside, look at her nonverbal cues. She’s doing the Jennifer Wilbanks/Runaway Bride thing.
Strung. Out.
yeah, she blinked like a little girl when he said that.
My expectations were that she be able to convey a coherent message. Mission yet to be accomplished
Artificial in the nth degree. Lecturing. Hectoring.
He’s creamin her
Standby to cue meltdown in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…
Either that or she wasn’t rehearsed on it.
Look she is reading her next opinion
She’s been coached well. She knows how to debate. she’s not appealing on truth or even ‘persuasive arguments.’ She’s appealing to the folksy side while pretending to be a fucking genius.
Attack and lie, that’s what they’d do.
up there, over there, those guys over there in iran those guys… can’t we have a VP than can speak English better than greasers I went to high school with?
I’m a big supporter of Israel.
Well, I’m an even bigger supporter of Israel.
I’m a super duper supporter of Israel.
Well, I’m a super ruper duper supporter of Israel.
The closest thing to a meaningful exchange this evening.
how can you say that…..
Wow! She thinks George Bush has been fantastic!
Nosedive on changeover to SP.
We both love Israel! I sooo thrilled.
no accountability?
Good Point.
Sarah has been blaming Biden all night. And she says looking in the past is bad? Bah hahahahahaa!
What an asshole.
not answering the question. Will Gwen just move on . . again?
HAH. yeah, sarah, run away while you still can.
OMG, she just said everyone makes mistakes when talking about BUSH!
Everything you want (or not) to know about MsBull…winkle:
Everything she voices is memorized!
No thinking is involved! None, nada, zilch!
Also note how she constantly writes her upcoming talking points down so she can parrot them back when the next question comes up.
It doesn’t matter what the subject of the next question is, MsBull…winkle is going to read off those notes to make sure she gets her memorized talking points voiced.
Thinking? Can’t do it.
Memorize? MsBull…winkle does have a talent for repeating things by rote.
No they guy who has drilled her on this must be related to the woman who cured hellon keller
she is attacking again.
now is not the time to look back…
she is really just spitting up what McCain said last week. “Let’s not quibble about ‘oo killed ‘oo…”
oh, gosh darn, there have been blunders like with any administration . . .
(pay no attention to that broken country behind the curtain)
Time… (of this debate)… is on our side… she’s coming undone
Ain’t she spunky!
She sounds like a valley girl.
Odd — when she says “huge blunders” the reaction lines plunge low.
WTF? Do the uncommitteds love Bush policies?
Sarah thins she is change?
Change is comin’.
The Maverick voted for an $800,000,000,000 bailout of Wall Street because Georgie wants it.
Sarah doesn’t want to play the “blame game” and doesn’t like “finger pointing”.
Except when she does.
Remember the chatty Cathy doll?
Pull the string, eh?
Can you even believe she has the nerve to talk about pointing fingers of blame!
Palin: If Republicans fuck up and anyone says anything, that’s the blame game.
Biden: The past is prologue.
Palin: I am anti-logue.
HOME RUN GRAND SLAM
SHE IS WEARING AN EARPHONE! Just look at the slight bulge on hte middle of her back!
Oooh, she said maverick again. Palinbingo players take note.
change, reform, forge ahead, putting government back on the side of the people, he has been the maverick, he has ruffled feathers.
“It is the same as George Bush’s!”
LOL biden: I haven’t heard anything yet
bush’s sounds funny.
Ain’t she sumpthin deeyah! Spit.
Bar applauds Biden.
game over
Joe has the rhetorical talent. That’s what folks will remember. He’s already won.
yes.
simple answers to simple questions.
noo-ku-lar audial meltdown here
Hanging GWB policies on McShame/Palin! Yay!
Or the big key to wind her up with!
Why do Rs say nukular?
Wooo hooo, every time Joe says “George Bush’s” the reaction looks like a sudden roller coaster ride UP UP UP!!!
Was George W. Bush tutoring her?
Deterrence is not “using nuclear weapons.” Oy.
Oh. My. Gawd…
Biden just spoke the truth about how much more dangerous Iran has become under the Bush administration — and we get vapid chatter!
You could not make this up.
If Tina Fey had invented the character of Sarah Palin, people wouldn’t have believed it.
She sounds like a valley girl.
from northern Minnesota.
We need a picture can anyone freeze the image and blow it up?
“Let’s not play the blame game” Translation, no finger pointing when we’re at fault.
Safe stable way to use nuclear weaponry?
Oh christ…
there is dinner jacket again!!
Changing the subject! *downing cocktail*
cause i have a note here on afghanistan i haven’t used yet
nuclear weapons are the be all and end all. whaaa?
too many people on the planet? Sarah? Huh?????
what? no more folksy stuff?
she HAS managed akmandinnerjacket quite well. Sarah wins.
doin
OK i have a test we take both of them in a room and ask them what A squared + B squared = ????
new thread.
Biden sounds like he’s talking out of his brain. Palin is just reciting from her note cards. Is that how it comes across to the average uncommitted voter?
I wonder if her hair is hiding anything.
Schools! Jobs creation!
oo thanks
surge and more surge. All you who are drinking need to have a triple!!
We are killing civilians in Afghanistan AND Iraq. Isn’t that nice Sarah? Oh but put a petre dish in front of Sarah and touch one with a pencil and she’ll freak out!
New thread
Blenders??? who is making milk shakes
Incoherent…then quick glance to checklist…air raidin’ villages…buildin’ schools…wtf?
new thread
watching CSPan. Are you kidding? If not, What channel shows it?
Please come upstairs thank you
Afghanistan. “The surge principles… need to be implemented.” NOT ACCORDING TO GEN. MCKIERNAN.
Gad, she’s got the ‘keep smiling’ part down pat. Something useful in those beauty pageants. But I don’t think I can take any more of my Unitary Execs saying new-kew-lar. And she says ‘Ahk-medinejad’ 50 times at least to prove she can do it.
So far it seems like Joe Biden is the straight talk express.
3 bottles in front of me….4 straws!
Dumb broad (Palin), you’re growing poppies there! Didn’t even do that when the Taliban was there!
does that bother you
I’m loving Biden’s sticking to the facts and nailing her with reality.
OHHHHH DUDE BIDEN JUST CITED MY STORY FROM YESTERDAY!
Joe is giving her a lecture AGAIN!! She is just cribbing her notes and getting cues from her ear piece!
YEAY, test ban treaty go joe
It makes it appear like she has a head on her shoulders.
Just one of many illusionist tricks!
Spencer – you rock
Now come upstairs please??
Stay out the bush’s!!
the word “naive” was written on one of those cards. how stupid is that?
I wouldn’t trust Sarah Palin with a van or SUV within a mile of a school drop-off point where anyone, anyone, pulled in line ahead of her. Think of that grocery store parking lot scene in Fried Green Tomatoes.
She’s on a high, and more articulate than ever in her life. She’s memorized her list of phrases and digs, her list of McCain lies. But don’t ask her in public what her recipe is for those horse doves, not after you’ve seen the caterer’s boxes in her kitchen trash. She would be Cheney on steroids, without a limiting heart condition. Imagine her in the WH situation room with no experienced, restraining hand reining her in.
McClellan? You mean MCKIERNAN madam.
We can’t allow Iran to proliferate but the Senate just voted yesterday 86-13 for a Bush backed plan to supply nuclear technology to India which will free up their domestic program to redirect its fissile byproducts into nuclear weapons production. Pakistan is already responding with a big new program of its own. So we are feeding into a nuclear arms race between the two and possibly with China as well. But Iran that our own NIE says gave up its weapons program that’s who we are supposed to go crazy about.
There just aren’t any adults on these issues.
So they sound like “real” people, cripes.
Only an elitist would pronounce nuclear correctly.
Where should I go, Egregious?
I like Gwen’s performance I must say. I didn’t expect to.
incoherence rears its head over Palin’s podium. that was spectacular.
Ms. Palin has the high school theater star’s ability to mimic expertise. Looking good on a podium is one thing; being good when someone’s waiting to act on her orders in life or death situations is something else entirely.
here comes the awe-shucks craptastic act.
ooooh, poor me. I’m an outsider. we’re folksy again.
thanks right. no judgement just regurgitation and some punch.
Voting for the war, as bad as that, is not the same as demanding a vote for it based on lies, executing it badly, and lying about your performance.
Joe, Ms. Palin is the cheerleader from hell. Take off the gloves and go the fifteen rounds. She may be purdy, she ain’t gentle, she ain’t nice and she knows how to hit below the belt.
I thought she didn’t like gotcha stuff.. she making a good show of it.
Instead of the fortune cookie “in bed”, just add “and world peace” to the end of every one of Silly Palin’s responses
So just how the hell exactly does John McCain know how to win a war? What war has he won?
Brett Maverick was a gambler. Do we really want a couple of gamblers running our country.
Joe Biden should have no problem explaining how John McCain knows nothing about winning wars; he spent his on the burning deck of the Forrestal, hiding in the ready room rather than leading men inside a burning hangar deck. He spent his war in a prison camp, not leading men in battle, learning from his mistakes as well as his victories, learned to use his men sparingly, sure that his goals are worth asking for the sacrifice of his men and women.
McCain knows nothing about how government’s respond to simplistic claims of “evil”, as opposed to conflicting interests, knows nothing about “principles” he’s left in the dust of his ambition.
Palin claims McCain never asked her to check her opinions at the door. Great phrase, unrelated to her disappearance from the public while conforming her views to the campaign’s. Create jobs and win the war? Hurt our economy? Ms. Palin has her party’s confused, like much else.
Joe Biden is a better, sharper debater than Obama; useful for taking on the energy side of the McCain-Ticket.
Say it ain’t so, Joe? Puhleeze. Must all GOP’er speech writers be so smarmy. Oh, and nice change of topic, forgetting to respond to the topic at hand, Governor.
Ms. Palin has heard of the Constitution, but has she read it? Does she know the VP has virtually no official duties, but acts as the explicit delegatee of the president?
Boy oh Boy I haven’t seen this much corn and winkie winkie since my Aunt Flossie tried to get us to eat the cheese whiz ladden brussel sprouts at the last family picnic.
Brussel sprouts suck, no matter what you try to cover them with.