Sorry, no timestamps on my comments, will try to start looking at the clock going forward.
9:35 Palin sounding rushed and breathless. I think she called Joe "O’Biden" and said something about "tiny footprints" WRT drilling. And her cutesy-flirty facial expressions frighten and confuse me. (Eli)
9:33 What Scarecrow said. Biden is rock-solid and totally on tonight. (Eli)
9:30 The details are flying by so fast they no longer matter. Facts are now irrelevant. We’re watching a very polished performance by Biden — competent, intelligent, knowledgeable and respectful. From Palin, we’re seeing a cutesy performance with lost of twang — so the question is, how is that coming off? To me, it’s like watching the Q&A segment of the Miss. America pageant — instead of a debate by candidates for VP of the US. (Scarecrow)
9:30 Those of you who picked "energy" as your Palin drinking word? Stop now before you get alcohol poisoning. (Christy)
9:30 Woops. She just totally blew off his answer about the bankruptcy bill to talk about her fight with the oil companies and teh evil of the east coast. (Julia)
"So when we talk about energy…" only you weren’t. Senator Biden was
talking about mortgages. You bunted. (Julia)
9:28 Folks here can’t figure out what Sarah just said – she’s running out of talking points to repeat. (Siun)
9:28 Obama warned about subprime crisis, McCain was surprised by it. (Eli)
9:27 Palin is controlled and on message. The thing is, while that may help her beat back the blithering idiot jokes a bit, I don’t see how it is helping her establish real expertise through buzzwords. That’s not just double standard sexism: she’s earned the public’s suspicion and derision. (Pach)
9:26 They have re-toned her highlights to a lovely caramel from that brassy color for the teevee lighting. Makes that "ever vigiilant" line seem ever so sincere. Especially given how many corporate lobbyists and money cronies prepped that line with her this week. (Christy)
9:26 Appreciate John McCain’s calls for reform, dammit! (Eli)
9:25: "Dawgone it, I think I’m just so cutesy that I can stand here and lie to your face and smile while I do it, and I actually believe that’s what you want in a VP." (Scarecrow)
9:23 Now new jobs are the engine of economic growth. Offshoring (a la Fiorina) is an unpatriotic tax dodge. (Julia)
9:19 Some speaking coach got Palin not to squeek through her speech. Whoever that was earned his or her money. When Palin gets more nervous and lost in a Homer Simpson brain, her vocal stress levels rise markedly. (Pach)
9:19 Palin slams how the federal government’s been running lately. Has she noticed that Bush and Cheney have been running it? GOP, you suck, luv and kittens, Sarah (Christy)
9:17 Biden hits his passion and stride talking about middle class and working people. Palin is actually speaking in sentences with a noun and a verb and an object. She’s beating the Couric Curve. (Pach)
Biden starts out gracious, Palin looks amped up and hyper.
Biden pointing out that when the middle class benefits, everyone benefits.
Palin saying that the best gauge of the state of the economy is to go to a soccer game and ask the soccer moms.
She sounds pretty cogent so far, speaking in complete sentences and everything. McCain’s bipartisan efforts and suspending his campaign will lead to reform and oversight!
Palin: Fundamentals = American workforce = AWESOME!
Wow, Palin says Obama is too partisan and votes with the Democrats 96% of the time.
Ifill helpfully points out that neither of them answered the question about what they would do as veep.
Palin: "Predator lenders" deceptive and bad. Joe sixpacks and hockey moms need to band together and say never again. (Right, voting Republican would totally ensure that…)
Excellent, Biden is pointing out that Obama was the one warning against deregulation while McCain was the one pushing for it. Biden seems completely poised and in control.
Hey, Palin almost said she agreed with Biden!
Obama campaign predicted that Palin would claim that Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times and that he’d raise taxes on people making $42,000 a year. They’re, like, psychic.
Biden totally prepared for this one, points out that McCain voted the same way, and has voted to raise taxes 477 times. Excellent.
Palin says she may not talk all fancy like Gwen and Joe, but she’s talking to the American people, not like those elitists.
Biden pointing out that the lower and middle-income people haven’t been getting the tax breaks, and Obama will fix that, while McCain will continue giving all the tax cuts to the rich and the corporations.
Palin saying that she and Todd are middle class, and that government is the problem, not the solution. (So I guess she’s opposed to the $700 billion bailout, right?)
Biden says "We don’t call that redistribution; we call that fairness." Points out that McCain will pay for your $5,000 healthcare credit by taxing your employer healthcare, and find a way to pay a $12,000 healthcare bill with that $5,000. Throws in a Bridge To Nowhere reference.




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Hey Eli.
Lie lie and lie again. By the way she is talking about Alaska ya talking about 600,000 people!! She BS again!!
rock em! sock em! eli!!
An energy expert! Wow!
Digg It Pups!!
Eli FTW!
I have no idea what she’s talking about with the whole tax thing.
biden totally rocking!
She doesn’t either.
Can’t believe she’s tangling on energy in the context of the bailouts. The people hate the corps today.
“Give you back $1000! … But John McCain won’t support a windfall profits tax!” Pit McCain against Palin. Nice!
Excellent, Joe. Make McCain agree with our policy.
windfalls haha mccain no likey.
hey Eli!
Sarah’s got my head a-spinnin’.
heh.
Stop giving your opponents credit, Joe!
Wind fall taxes on OIL. I wish that wou7ld pass. Then give out the money to the people!!
Yes, I would have screwed the public like John did on bankruptcy reform.
Thanks, elliot!
Ifill: bankruptcy bill.
Palin blah blah blah problems on Wall Street again no specifics on squat.
You are about to have an even less of an Idea!
2nd time referring to this bullshit McCain Fred/Fan line. Desperate?
Palin is all over the board. If you can’t win them with brilliance win them over with bullshit.
“revelations made aware to Americans” — this is not a person who reads.
She’s starting to look a little less confident…
Biden is talking the issues and winning. Sarah’s voice just tightened up and she slowed down she feels she is loosing!
reform reform reform
greed. corruption.
thank john. bipartisan.
fix this problem. crisis. toxic.
what is this woman talking about? She has her talking points down and her attacks but the context inbetween is missing
Palin’s a Main Streeter my ass
TOXIC MESS ON MAIN STREET — Great movie.
Toxic mess on Main Street that is affecting Wall Street.
feel like I just got shuffled off to Buff-alo
get that woman some”g”’s!
fer chrissakes, Sarah you’ve already got the illiterate hick vote…
Palin: Toxic mess on Main Street??? that is now affecting Wall Street. WTF?
Toxic mess on Main Street affecting Wall Street.
Uhm. Basackwards, Barbie.
Eli !
I think Betsy once served a Cake that looked like that photo
she has baffled me
Palin “Jonny the deregulator!! My ass check out the Keating 5, Glass Steagle act on and on Jonny has supported Greespan the “Let the markets sort it out”
“toxic mess on main street that’s affecting wall street” — EPIC FAIL, Barbie — that’s your behind-the-scenes reasoning, not your out-in-public story!
Palin will offer nothing but talking points and bromides. Will the public buy into the propaganda? Will the corporate media?
All praise for those who have the ability (read patience and stamina) to watch the debate. I lasted all of 15 minutes.
She really looks like a deer in the headlights with these questions.
you betcha. the brilliance. she’ll back to you with the brilliance.
“The PRINCIPAL you owe.” Dude at the bar is going nuts. “Ram it down!” he says.
Joe turns the word “principal” around! Genius.
lining her nest with taxpayer money.
I really like the split screen thing on C-SPAN. It’s interesting to watch the other candidate listen to the one talking.
Now she’s talking on her area of expertise! Priceless!!!
drill baby drill!
sounds like Times Beach
MSNBC has live video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…..1#22886841
If the player doesn’t come up got to http://www.msnbc.msn.com and click at the top
don’t know — quick; change the subject! I’m a maverick! I know energy! East Coast politicians bad!!
WTF? Bailout –> Energy? She’s fuckin’ lost.
Sarah talks energy she goes down.
jesus christ Gwen. Will you please at least *mention* that she’s answering questions that nobody has asked?
Palin I won’t answer any question. I’ll talk about drilling or something.
i’m with you. Between her baffling answers and the group of brits in hysterics, I had to leave the room
To tap in to em…
Jeez… she doesn’t really answer the question, and then forces it back to an earlier question. How do people feel about that?
what’s this one issue “energy” thing she has going on.
Drill Baby, Drill!!
I wish he could ask her questions, and not Gwen Ifill.
Energy independence was good for Sarah
‘it’s not just about who got a tax break and who didn’t’
actually a lot of people would disagree with that
she has her talking pints and dammit she is going to give them
She just can’t seem to stay on subject it is all energy energy and She is the most informed on this subject eveah!! Climate change “God Caused it”
the oil GOES ON THE OPEN MARKET…we do not get to keep it
it goes to the highest bidder
Gwen dig: OK, we’re ready for energy now. PLease continue…
oooh, climate change! it’s because men walked with dinosaurs!
I hope at some point they will get to global climate change and polar bears dying, and her ideas! Hah! No sooner said than done.
Ask her if humans shared the planet with T-Rex. Is the world still flat?
The causes MATTER.
“a heckuva lot”
Is that like “a heckava job”?
Ooooh. Now we’re into Baked Alaska.
Awesome!
points, that is
You can’t address the solution if you don’t know the causes!
“I don’t want to argue about the causes…” But it has implications for how to stop climate change!
mortgage meltdown caused by global warming
If that’s all she’s got she’ll be a smoking heap of ruins in an hour.
SHE is NOT at all making any sense
ohhhhhhhhhhhh JEEBUS
Maybe Biden needed 36 years in politics to face this woman with a straight face.
She’s a level of ‘vapid’ that I don’t even recall.
Oh, goody Minute 31: she once again didn’t attribute all of man’s changes to the climate.
Uff…
Climate change
Palin: it’s real, maybe man, cyclical climate changes, don’t want to discuss causes
How are you going to address the problem if you don’t know the reason for it?
all she knows is oil oil oil. it’s all she can talk about. This is gonna kill her in the aftergame shows.
she’s reallyt flying on climate change.
Joe just missed a golden opportunity when he was talking about his and Barack’s support of a windfall tax on oil companies while referring to Palin’s policy in Alaska. He should have turned to Palin and said “Sarah, come to think of it, you should probably be voting for us, we want to give the rest of America what has been given to Alaskans, aren’t you in support of that also?”
He would have brought the house down.
I don’t want to argue about the causes of climate change. That’s because there is no argument.
Governor Palin, did man walk with dinosaurs?
I’ve heard better speeches for high school president
My head hurts. Shut up, Barbie.
You firepups are a generous bunch — watching it/commenting for those of us who simply cannot bear it to look. I can feel my blood pressure rise at the mere sound of Ms. Palin’s voice.
The woman from S.H.A.L.L.O.W.
Also, energy independence?? her constituents LIVE for their oil checks.
Does she know that we are the biggest abusers of dirtying up the planet, at least until recently. We were the biggest of the polluters.
Energy independent = Drill Baby, Drill!
She doesn’t know what fungible means.
Yes! There you go, Joe!
Joe nailed her on climate change!
You guys wanna hear her from the Rose Garden for the next four years? No? Then get out there tomorrow morning and help elect Obama/Biden
It is not all our fault it is the Chinese Indians and every one else
I think she is a sociopath and has no clue what she is talking about…lies and crap and making it up. Very scary.
“The cause is man-made…” Biden kicking ass. Grownup in charge.
That’s what JB just said!
Yay, Joe!
We MUST know the reason first!
Logic, common sense.
Does todd’s snowmobile run on alternative energy?
“pollute more than American’s would ever…”… huh?! pretty sure we’re the world’s leading carbon burner.
I’m shaking as much as I do at one of my kids basketball games and that’s a lot!
NO CLEAN COAL!!!!! Joe, what are you thinking!?!?!?!?!
She is a right wing caribou Barbie. Pull the string and she’ll spout the mantra of what the right wingers want to hear.
McCain has voted against clean alternative energy.
sigh I need a freakin drink
Governor Palin, did man walk with dinosaurs?
“No Gwen, we rode ‘em.”
vacuous
On climate change policy, Biden is mopping the floor.
Politely.
she looks angry at joe for making her look bad like it’s his fault.
China is a hot button its helping Biden.
Exporting energy! “Dirty coal” from China. Watch that move some DIALS! “We should be greening jobs.” I predict that this is going to be a powerful line. And hits on drill-baby-drill. BIDEN FTW
Joe taking Drill Drill Drill away from JM.
LOL!
I’ll be canvassing in Nevada this weekend
Oh, I’m not generous. If I didn’t hang out here, I’d have to go put on Turner Classic Movies, or some such. The Weather Channel. Anything but her grating, nasal voice spouting inanities.
This is a support group right here around the Lake. At least that’s what it is for me. Couldn’t get thru it without y’all.
NY Times said today there is a 1 in 6 chance she’ll need to take over with mcpain in white house, given his age and health condition.
1 in 6.
Thinking about drilling makes Sarah give an ecstatic squint. Creepy!
+1
how many wingnut men just got woodies when she said “Drill, baby, drill!”?
American’s are so hungry for the oil. By the time it’s online they will have starved to death.
Joe is taking her down don’t worry.
“Clean, green natural gas”? WTF?
I’m so glad we’re having this debate about Alaska.
The $40 Billion Pipeline!! At last she says it!
Scary.
Clean green natural gas? Not in terms of global warming.
Palin going into drill, drill, drill overdrive.
She just called him Senator O’Biden!!!
did she just call him O’Biden?
Who could object to tiny footprints? Sounds so cute!
does she know anything else but energy??
“Barak Obama and Senator Obiden.”
Hope late night comedy picks up on that.
Senator O’Biden?
Ugh! Another nucular!
Nukular. She’s a dummy.
I like gwen clarifying.
Palin is making it sound like the only things she cares about are Alaskans and Alaska. That’s good, keep demonstrating your us vs them selfishness, Sarah. The viewers will like that.
LOL the brtis say the men’s line is higher than the women’s because they are trying to see her ‘fun bags’ oy vay
Holy cow! I let my son use the computer to check his emails and there’s 200 more comments! LOL
Biden
absolutely!! same-sex benefits
“Voted 20x against funding alternative energy.” Woo — AND FORTHRIGHTLY FOR LGBT RIGHTS!!!!!
Same sex marriage.
this should be interesting.
Sarah keeps changing the subject to suit herself.
Same sex benefits
Biden: no distinctions, only fair
Oooh! Same sex! And OH men approve!
Now it’s time to get the values voter. Gays, guns and God.
Minute 35: nuclear, clean coal…
If anyone diagrams her sentences — esp. her climate policy responses — they’re gonna look like a random mess of pic-up-sticks. Chaotic; no discernable structure.
what are the lines doing on the gay stuff? I’m on PBS.
I just checked, and it looks like Daily Kos’s servers CRASHED.
Thank you, Joe, for being affirmative about gay rights.
Well they sure moved off climate change fast! If you blinked, you’d have missed it!
Kinda busy here ya think Kay??
Cool support Gay Rights straight out
Sarah doesn’t like a slippery slope toward same sex marriage.
Now I officially hate this woman.
Sarah would be fine if Bristol, Levi, and another woman had relations, however.
This isn’t about Alaska, it’s about the entire United States of America. Try to not be so myopic, Sara
she is unhinged
Palin: I am tolerant. but where does she stand?
How can she bring up the subject of energy when talking about gay rights?
That’s what I’m thinking! LOL Wow.
Nice metaphor, esp since I loved pick up sticks as a child.
Barbie against cheapening marriage! But pro relationship choice! She’s tolerant! And flatlining with OH folks.
“straight up” LOL
Palin equivocating but has to say heteros only can join together in matrimony
don’t, it’s a waste of energy
Sarah is gonna let gays sign contracts!
And recognize their validity!
jhfc.
Marriage is only between Sarah and Todd
At least Joe is honest and isn’t talking about other crap and looking at the ceiling while telling us this.
The lines were above the mid point not good not bad Sarah seems a little higher. Crap Now Joe is getting weak on the issue
Definition #3 in my american heritage dictionary of “marriage” is “any close union”/ ONE of the definitions.
she is such a spaz
There she goes losing the gay vote!!
Biden turns it around on her. Putting Palin on record as supporting gay rights!
Now JB stapling Barbie to her statement! YES!
oy…she doesnt even no when she AGREEs
Sarah wants a big fat “G” tattooed into all gays & lesbian’s foreheads. This will make it easier for her.
Now I officially hate this woman.
beat you there by two days…
They are both dancing like crazy about same sex marriage, don’t want to upset the bigots.
Palin/McCain have a secret plan to win the war.
And Who ever Sarah had an Affair with.
Ahhhhhhh. But the definition of MARRIAGE… jeez.
Wooo hooo, that was a nice piece of jiujitsu! Biden just tarnished her image for fundies.
Wish I had a picture of her face when Joe said they “agreed” on full equal rights for gay couples. She looked like she ate a frog.
Wow she has NO IDEA what to say about Iraq aside from I LUV YOU PETRAEUS LOL
You mean the 5th surge, huh Sarah?
New post up
Please go upstairs, have mercy on the servers. Thanks.
SURGE — drink
Pity me. My son loves this woman.
Trend line down way down Surge not good
breathe joe, breathe … be joe
Oooooo, that’s right. She had an affair with her husband’s business partner.
Surge.. surge.. Iraq.. plan… Petraeus .. hero … Mc Cain… …..zzzZZZZZZzzzzz…..
Ah! strategically gives Biden a debate point
Let’s hear it for the surge…a little lyricism here.
She’s doing great. She’s an inarticulate boob but she’s doing well enough for low-info swingers.
Is it possible that a politician is more nauseating than W? She is so annoying.
Palin, “since I don’t actually understand what he meant by that ‘civil side stuff’ I’ll just rephrase to buy time because I’m totally lost. But I want you to think that I’m tolerant.”
You’ve got 15 minutes more courage than I do.
I’m lovin the fdl live blogging. Thanks to all.
“We do have a plan for withdraw” — a) bad grammar; b) no you don’t; c) we’re NOT at pre-surge level. Jesus she is incoherent.
we need to grow our military
Got to win in Eyerack wherever that is.
was that a plan?
New post!
okeedokee
i’m glad that biden at least is staying calm and collected. She’s frantic
now THAT’S a coherent plan from Sarah, over there….
so does my brother.
Jonny boy has voted against 19 out of twenty times and ALL the Veterans give Jonny boy failing grades for his support. He also has never co sposored any bill to help the Vets!! He just sucks…. which is real strange for a supposeded Vet!!
Biden points out Maliki is with Obama. “Odd man out is John McCain.” Puts *funding* issue back on the McCain camp. Timelines. Go Joe Go.
New thread
Pity me. My son loves this woman.
Come over here – I’ll give you a big hug.
Oh, my god.
You have my condolences.
earlier Sarah said McCain , (pointedly) DOES NOT say one thing to one group and go and say the opposite to another
It seems to me that is exactly what he does
oh she was alluding to the bitter guns comment by Barack…. but in terms of substance and actual realities, he does change from day to day, place to place
This is a ridiculous debate. It’s speed debating.
Fundamental Difference
“Fundamental difference. We will end this war.” vs “Your plan is a white flag of surrender.” She’s flailing.
white flag of surrender??? “you guys” who does she think she’s talking to?? she’s reading her answers
PSSST TALABANI HAS NO POWER IN IRAQ. Sarah, don’t fuck with me on this.
I can’t stand it when she nods her head like a know it all. ugh.
here comes the bitchy part…
MRAPs. I’ve ridden in them. “John McCain voted against them.” ooooh tying McCain to Dick Cheney.
“John McCain has been dead wrong. I love him. As my mother would say, God love him but he’s dead wrong.”
Why would Pakistan’s missiles hit Israel? Cmon Joe.
It drives me nuts how the biden or clinton or… always say how honorable jaymac is … or how they love him! dead wrong but love him!
I don’t love jaymac.
All of ‘em.
go joe go!!!!
no one tells him “white flag of surrender”!
New post:
Please come upstairs ty
“I promise you… it’s gonna come from al-Qaeda planning from the hills of Afghanistan and Pakistan where they live.” Robust support for Pakistan civil society. “Compete for those hearts and minds.”
don’t compare Petraeus to bin Laden!
She’s just reading from talking points now.
NUKULAR – Auuuuggghhhh!
Iran has a right to nuclear energy.
Hey, Tamerica!
OMFG she is fucking FLAILING. “His passion for diplomacy…” Ever seen a jelly fish suffocate?
“Talk. Talk. Talk.” I hope you guys know a GG Allin reference when you hear one.
SPAIN! “I find that incredible!”
Embassy in Jerusalem?????
Biden going hard for my peoples’ votes. The real Jews are already for Obama! “What happened? Hamas won…”
“We’ll learn from the past mistakes” just as long as we never name what they are.
Joe, I will respect you in the Morning
Past is prologue. You damn right.
Nukular Weaponry is the be all and end all of nukular weaponry, that’s all. Kim Jong Il Ahmedinijad ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Afghanistan. What a slide step
Can somebody come up with an accurate figure of how many Alaskans actually voted in their last election? I’m thinking the number’s gotta be pretty low. Alaskans are very suspicious of anything that’s organized (except fundamentalist religion). They call themselves individualists, yet I’ve never seen a more stereotypical brand of sheep. Just because you can kill and skin your meat doesn’t make you unique – shit we as a species mastered that art millions of years ago – move along people! As an ex-Alaskan (I had to move back down to the lower 48, couldn’t bear to witness first-hand the rape spearheaded by politicians like Palin), I can tell you that the ignorance, bigotry and paranoia are outweighed only by the alcoholism, meth/crack addiction, and rampant incest – who has TIME to vote! For years, people have been running to Alaska to escape the challenges of civilization (usually via the military). Woo-hoo! Look at me – I’m Daniel and Barbie Boone! There’s a very dark side to Alaska and it’s not the long winter nights.