We're going to try a whole-team liveblog of the debate tonight, with me and Eli switching off as the scribes, and working comments in from other contributors.
(Swopa didn't mean to make this girlie when he photoshopped it.)
It's now 8:30 (I'm streaming CSPAN), and boy, from far away, the entire stage looks too bright red and bright blue. The guy from the Commission on Presidential Debates is lecturing the audience about turning off their cell phones and how this is not about the audience.
8:43: Rut roh. The muckety-mucks are doing thank yous. Wachovia Securities got a big thank you. Are they still in business?
8:45: A WashU student says the candidates will be judged by their qualifications. Promise? I think that's sexist (she's female).
8:48: Gwen Ifill helped in by two students. Thanks them, says they're the best thing that has happened to her in weeks. Gets applause when she sits down. "I fell, I wasn't pushed."
8:51: The rules: 90 minutes in length, no breaks. All topics are fair game. 90 second answers, followed by 2 minute discussion, 2 minute closing statements.
8:56 PM My fervent wish: Caribou Barbie slips and says "President Obama." (Pach)
9:00 Still waiting. I hear Biden backstage (I think). Whatup? Stop blowharding backstage, Joe. Or, at least get it out of your system.
9:00 PM Hey Gwen, break a leg! xo (Pach)
9:04: Ifill now announcing the debate. Divided into 5 minute sections. Order determined by coin toss. Subjects chosen by Ifill, not shared with Palin's little ear piece. No cheers, applause, untoward outbursts. Welcome Palin and Biden.
9:05: You hear Palin saying, Can I call you Joe? She's sweet.
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Joe off to a good start IMO
Biden up.
Ooo Biden is using such big words, can Palin keep up?
i betcha
she says “betcha”
Palin up, Graphs plummet.
I’m a soccer errrr… i mean hockey mom!!
not answering the question. Big news.
Her lips are weird.
Digg It pups when ya get here!!
Palin: Fear, fear, fear. (That’s what Rs are good at.)
SHE is WEIRD!
Suspending campaign!!!
CNN graph showing only Ohio uncommitted, hard to compare to the Prez debate.
Nice Joe. Nice. Keep on message.
JB attacks!
Sarah’s looking at Joe.
oh she is falling apart already
Dugg, thanks for the link.
she’s got her sound bites down.
Fundamental? The singular economy?
She’s already flailing.
ooh she winked at us
She winked. That’s a bit creepy.
wink wink nod nod ala GWB!
‘we’re known for putting partisan politics aside’
Yes, but JM was either nuts or lying to refer to workforce as economic fundamentals.
speaking in tounges
Does Palin know that those things Ifill says are the questions she’s supposed to answer?
don’t smirk, Joe.
she’s got her canned answers open.
And cliches, and starting to sprinkle in a few lies.
McCain: New and Different
She cannot keep this up for 90 minutes! She’s breathless..
She talks like she’s a hill billy and make W look sound like a professor.
Palin is reciting by rote her talking points. Americans want something new and different: More stupidity!
Gosh, she’s just so… …breathless!
She is digging “Years of Senatorial service” What fucking crap already out of her mouth!
don’t give her a fucking choice.
oh DARN
Darn right. Predator lenders.
“Darn right!” — drink up!
SANNATORIAL
She’s dangerously good, so far. This is not the bubblehead we thought we were going to hear. Of course, she’s absolutely full of it.
hockey moms! DRINK!
winkie winkie went the little piggy all dressed up with her lipstick!!
LOL
My 17 year old son just said, “Oh my God, that didn’t mean anything! That was just…a breath she’ll never get back!”
She, however, does luuuuuuuuuuuuurv her some John McCain.
Greed and corruption on Wall Street oh my! Good thing McCain’s no regulation policies had nothing to do with this.
“Let’s commit ourselves” to never buying more house than we can afford! Reform we can believe in!
Those workers = fundamentals….who knew
I hope she gets to say NuKUlar at least once…
hurtin
First Joe Sixpack reference
Demand strict oversight - does she know she’s a rethug?
She’s doing the Bush “dropping the ‘g’s” thing.
“hurtin’” and “heckuvalot” in the same sentence — color me impressed. Negatively.
F**k never again.. how about not now?
Do you think she will run out out of breath with speaking so fast??
good stay on message Joe
JOE IS GOOD
Why is John MCain always the “good man”? Don’t get it.
doin’. She’s doin’ the Bush “droppin’ the g’s” thing.
Joey Danko!
Biden keeps calling McCain “John”. It’s a tactic, but I’m not sure how effective.
She doesn’t like when Joe attacks McCain.
Darn tootin!
darn
Go Joe. Attack. Attack! ATTACK!!!
She sounds relieved to finish her little canned speeches. Oh thank goodness I got it all out in one breath!
Palin for student government president!
Palin must have gone to the Ned Flanders School of Speech
you-betcha!!!
94 times.. is a LIE
Republican mantra of raising taxes, naturally Palin doesn’t mention that this was on the rich.
does she have her color coded cards
Calling her out for not telling the truth.
These two are ardently describing two mutually contradictory universes. Someone is making s**t up.
She’s got her tawkin points down and is doing fine, but the content of what she says is utter rubbish.
ok, there’s the $42,000 lie again.
Joe hits back with “John voted for it too.” heh.
she will implode
Liar Barbie. Not gonna help her in the after-checking.
Biden sets his first trap re McCain and deregulation.
Now Palin goes off on her record in Alaska.
“I may not answer the questions the way you want . . “
So she’s not going to respond to the deregulation question, is she.
“track record track record track record”
drink
Well, she just said she doesn’t intend to answer the questions…..
what is she saying
Sarah, “Fuck you Joe, and fuck you too, Gwen”
ain’t she sweet?
see joe light up!!!
“I may not answer the questions but I’m gonna talk straight?” JEESUS she’s regurgitating the PEP talks they gave her, not even the talking points!
Yep, she’s coming out like a ball o’ fire. Miss Expert. Biden is doing everything he needs to do–objecting and making the case.
She is lying Palin of the great North West
Yikes! Ifill brings up why isn’t raising taxes on the rich class warfare.
Biden it’s about fairness, idjit.
Oh good, she’s just announced that she’s not going to answer the questions but is going to speak to the camera about anything she wants! C’mon, Gwen, run this show.
Fear and taxes are the memes
“John” … hahahaha … think Bush’s base and what they call a “John” … excellent wordplay …
bring in the defibrilator………….stat
Biden has the tax question cold. Will Barbie stumble?
I don’t know how well her regional accent thing is going to sell… her inflection is a lot stronger than I thought it was
I am listening to this over the radio so don’t see the visuals. She not bad but still coming across like sound bites.
Biden cites McCain’s planned tax cuts for wealthy.
Oh, garsh. Mavericky! Soccer mom!
Biden starting to get in the weeds. Go go go.
GIBErish
hey pups
Her bangs are hairsprayed to her eyelids. They jump when she blinks.
Oh, just shoot me now.
Before this started, I thought, thank God I’m not allowed to drink with my medications, otherwise I’d probably get plastered and hung over tomorrow.
NOW — I’m thinking, geez louise, I wish to hell I could do shots of Scotch.
She makes me CRAZY. Her voice…..grrrrr……
Palin’s worth over a million dollars. Is that middle class?
It’s not patriotic to pay taxes? And yet… every American pays taxes.
that “redistribution of wealth” there –
the wealthy get the benefits of the US economic infrastructure. They’re the ones who should pay the freight.
Is it me or is she still talking just gibberish
She’s a reganette too.
attacking the government as the problem, the private sector can do it. Can you say bailout?
She failed.
I hope Tina Fey is watching this!
Palin says ya know let the private sector work.
I hope Biden asks if it applies to the current financial meltdown.
Joe’s doing well.
Sarah now trying to attack Joe.
She’s tryin’ to be too cute by half.
she will be flayed here
holy cow, shes an idiot. with an attitude.
Anyone playing Palin bingo?
http://www.palinbingo.com/
She got nuthin’ on the facts so she’s selling the sparkle. Can she really maintain that for 90 minutes?
Her voice drives me nuts. She has a hard time talking and smiling at the same time.
For Repubs, yes !
No! The problem with Obama’s healthcare plan is that there’s NO mandate!
she keeps sounding like it’s not HER federal government. interesting.
she is talking in tounges
Has she actually answered a question
No, it’s not you.
She speaks fluent Gibberish.
My ears hurt, and my brain hurts even more so.
Tax credit for health care… Seems to me you have to have the $5000.00 to spend in the first place and most middle class families don’t have the $5000.00 in the first place!!!
I can’t STAND to listen to her. So much better to take advantage of Marcy & Pach’s work.
Look, not only is it anti-semetic but sexist not to support McEvil/Palin and racist not to support Obama/Biden.
Pssst! Hey Joe! Fewer clauses!
utter rubbish.
yep. biden is saying somethings is really like. i just like to know if he means any of it.
An Idiot vs our Very Serious Senator MBNA.
but the more biden talks the talk, the more he will help set expectations, so good on him for saying that the middle class is the economic engine of the country.
she is attacking, i will give her that but it’s like blind punching
how’s the CNN audience-mood-bar thing doing? Watching it on the computer and can’t see it.
Joe has her on ‘redistribution of wealth’ AND tax cuts. She got nuthin’.
quibbling.
Has she actually answered a question
it’s early yet…. *g*
FInally.. someone mentions the health McCare tax.
OMG I’m shaking!!! she’s so bitchy.
GO JOE
“Everyone of you” very powerful image
Only the ones she wants to…
Bridge to nowhere. Drink!
Biden brings up McCain’s plan to tax healthcare benefits.
Gets in dig about bridge to nowhere.
haha. ultimate bridge to nowhere!
biden scores
Well, it’s only OH undecideds so you’re basically measuring morons.
too many numbers, Joe.
Ok seriously the brits are laughing at us yanks. they can’t believe she is even on the same stage as Biden
Love it Bridge to no where with health care from Jonny boy
Bar cheers over “ultimate bridge to nowhere”
The Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere: SMACK
she is pissy
Going to get a refill. Can I do so for anyone else?
So did the very very polite studio audience.
agreed. simplify
The debate in a nutshell
yeah.. but OH and FL undecideds are the only ones who matter anymore :P
Yes please. I’ll have one of each.
Biden is so smart, knows the facts and she is pretty good at tap dancing - no there, there.
seems to be the campaign as a whole…pissy
unpatriotic
The women’s red line goes up for Joe. The men’s green line goes up for her. Generally.
I think FL is over.
yes!
Ooooh, sorry if I missed it earlier — you are in a BAR?
May I ask what state of the union? Blue/red/purple???
That may be even better than CNN’s instant reaction line for uncommitted voters!
McCain doesn’t tell one thing to one audience and another to a different one… right, he bullshits everyone!
Us Canucks are laughing too …
she’s taking on the oil companies now, ahahahahah
HA! 23 minutes in and SP’s gone ad hominem!
Hey Firedogs -
on the CNN thingy -
she is doing well although the men prefer her shit to the women. The women love Joe once he gets going. the “joe six pack” comment spiked the men downward - hard
what the hell is she talking about??
ooh, Sarah saying that SHE wants to go back to the energy plan. And what Sarah wants….
and wtf is she talking about?
We switched to CNN. what is with the graph?
up for Joe and kinda flatlining for SP
Way way way blue in Washington DC.
New thread
Palin really has no grasp of specifics. just the odd factoid now and then.
Now Palin takes on oil companies again. Leaves herself open for McCain’s plan to give tax breaks to oil companies.
Eli’s got the new thread with a hilarious graphic.
Come on upstairs
This woman is hard to listen to. Her voice is so grating and she lies so easily.
I’ll have TWO of each. (virtual, that is) If I were drinking, she’d turn me into a two-fisted drinker right quick.
Yes Please !
what the fuck is she saying?
we’re gunna keep those tax breaks and not give ‘em those tax breaks
wow when she attacks Obama, her lines dip
She’s doing much better than I, for one, expected. Kinda scary. What did they put in her kibble?!!
and the lines took a dip when she did the little winky grinny thing again.
I find it disgusting to hear Republicans talk about how they are concerned about the plight of the middle class and workers. That anyone believes their drivel is appalling.
I think it’s McCain’s Heart Monitor …
It’s going okay. They’re both in the weeds.
Hold out your glass. Glug, glug, glug. Clinking a toast.
Joe is making sense
Oh, well. We’re in our brilliantly blue household stuck in the middle of ultra-red Arizona. WE agree with your fellow bar patrons, but….sigh.
We couldn’t watch this in an Arizona bar — we’d end up getting shot, no doubt.
Fluent Gibberish.
We need a Gibberish/English dictionary.
see 171
oops gaff
Palin’s enamoured of rearing heads (spew alert). First it was Putin, now its financial abuse.
Her last response was incoherent.
mess on main street…oops gaff
She dives into a sentence headlong and keeps right on at a furious pace, no matter how the sentence turns out.
This creates the illusion of confidence and that she has any notion of what she’s saying.
(((MrsK8)))
thank you i thought i overindulged(drink)
Go upstairs please
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Oh, would Biden STOP saying number one and number two!
i have no idea what she is talking about
I wish Biden would state he was wrong on the bankruptcy atrocity.
Wish.
PBS keeps showing the debaters from the back. I don’t recall that from the Presidential debate. Is it just to show Palin’s dress/legs?
She is not fast enough to shuffle through the note cards so she has to go in order
why doesn’ he ask how alaska would do if it didn’t get all that federal tax revenue
You know how the completion of the testimonials at a funeral is often marked by a standing ovation for the deceased …
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