I can't think of any way to sugar coat this, I'm afraid. It's a bad bill and it isn't just that Barack Obama voted for it, it's that everything I'm hearing from the Hill says that he's been actively whipping it, not just in the Senate but in the House. Barack didn't hold his nose and vote for this, he made it his bill as much as it is Paulson's.
With this bill go your chances of having, say, universal health care, or massive infrastructure development, or really getting the US of its dependence on foreign oil, or really rebuilding America's school system—or whatever other big, expensive project you thought Obama was promising. 700 billion is a lot of money, and in the end this is almost certainly going to cost even more than that. Probably at least 1.5 trillion. (The technical term, I believe, is 'good money after bad').
As Michael Moore points out, the richest 400 people in America, who own as much as 150 million Americans, coincidentally saw their net worth increase by, oh, 700 billion during Bush's reign. They got that money largely based on government largesse and private fraud aided by deregulatory administration officials. And they don't intend to give it back to pay for the mess that they and the people who, in effect, work for them, have created.
Instead, as usual, it's the middle class that gets to pay. And it's Barack Obama who turned to Nancy Pelosi and Reid and said "this bill must pass". It's Obama who is whipping votes and bending arms for this despite the fact that it is massively unpopular. This is Obama's bill.
I assume he's willing to give up the 700 billion for the near dictatorial power over the US economy which is still embedded in the bill, power which he will wield through his Treasury Secretary. Or maybe, encouraged by his economic advisers, almost all of whom were amongst the architects and cheerleaders of the policies which made this crisis occur, he really believes that bailing out the rich with middle class money is how the country has to operate. After all, some people are important and some people aren't, and since the middle class can vote for him or for a man who has made himself into a national joke with Sarah Palin as the punchline, what are they going to do? Vote for John McCain, the laughingstock, who was also for the bill he was against, or some such?
If this bill doesn't work, or even if it does, it will have a huge cost and that cost will be born by the middle class. Even if you think it will work, not adding surcharges to make the rich pay for their own bailout is unconscionable.
Americans are being robbed, reverse Robin Hood style. Take money from ordinary folks, hand it directly to the rich. That's Obama's first real act as the presumptive President and as the Democratic party's de-facto leader.
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I just got home. How did Bernie Sanders’ voice vote go?
With this bill go your chances of having, say, universal health care, or massive infrastructure development, or really getting the US of its dependence on foreign oil, or really rebuilding America’s school system—or whatever other big, expensive project you thought Obama was promising
So your next post will be about how Americans can move to Canada and get healthcare?
Did you mean 150,000?
Clearly a typo
As Michael Moore points out, the richest 400 people in America, who own as much as 150 Americans, coincidentally saw their net worth increase by, oh, 700 billion during Bush’s reign.
Does it mean 150 million Americans?
woops, lol, thanks.
I am suspending judgement until I see a more detailed account of the provisions of the bill. But I am just a little suspicious.
I ‘believe’ Ian means one hundred and fifty MILLION … people.
Will the world market players buy this pig or will they walk away from investing in America?
One voice, Sanders’, for; all others opposed.
Obama doesn’t seem very inclined to take into account the wishes of the citizenry, does he?
Anyone want to tell me what happened with Bernie’s amendment to add a tax?
And here last night, I was saying that Obama was no progressive. Don’t I feel silly.
Thank you. That’s disgusting.
sigh
He wasn’t allowed a roll call vote; tells you all you really need to know about it passing.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/
Bailout Bill To Make Money Market Liquidity Crunch Worse?
Boy, I wish I had thought of this, and why no one else save some smart readers have focused on the mechanics of the Paulson plan operations is beyond me. This bill is moving ahead like the Titanic…..with high odds of similar outcomes.
Hoisted from comments, we turn the mike over to reader Don:
The bailout, I mean rescue plan, can be seen as nothing less than a new Ponzi scheme. It works like this:
Fed as only lender, in an attempt to keep the financial system from imploding;
TARP needed to keep Fed balance sheet intact so that it can continue as only lender;
Treasury will need to significantly increase the amount of Ts (public money) auctioned to fund TARP;
Panic serves to encourage T. buyers, especially for bills;
This represents a liquidity trap: TARP recipients of Ts will hoard cash to buy Ts: rinse and repeat.
This results in drying up of lending to corporations/crowding out private capital - no new credit lines;
The Fed becomes a holder of private capital, the later of which is now frozen to protect that capital from deteriorating, The rollover scheme will restrict even more lending in the private sphere for purposes of keeping the financial sphere on life support, but with the consequence of furthering the deterioration of the ‘real’ economy.
The counterargument is that the TARP will end the fear, breaking the Treasury-hoarding. But with banks (presumably) able to use the new phony prices paid by the TARP as marks for asset valuation purposes (whether they sold to the TARP or not), you get less transparency and hence less faith in bank balance sheets.
Further remarks from reader FairEconomist:
My thoughts exactly, Don. Plus the durations target the drawdown precisely on the capital we need most. We’re desperately short of 3 month working capital, and here comes Paulson to take $700 BB of what we’ve got left away and dump it in the mortgage industry. I don’t think you could devise a worse plan. We might be better of if he *did* steal it.
Informed reader comment very much appreciated.
Who besides the government will ever buy American homeloans America cannot keep buying bad loans at face value. But how can the banks make money like they used to without buyers?
I do not see the world markets rushing to buy American home loans after being burned like they were.
He will get what he deserves. If Paulson and gang are stealing this money, and all indications are that they are:
This could be the nail in the Dems coffin.
I am talking 3rd party all the way.
What will the Dems have to offer us after this? Seriously?
Answer: Nothing.
Republican lite is BS. If he is a DINO, he is a failed one term president on day one.
I am thinking about voting for Bobb Barr.
Neither of them can tell the fuckin’ truth. Both are gonna be telling how much this piece of shit is going to help the middle class. I guess there is no working class anymore. Just us poor fucks.
Hi DW, long time no catch. 150M? JHFC, that’s half the country. I want some of my stuff back.
urgh, finally corrected. Sorry. Brain clearly not fully functional.
obama has proven to us, with this bill, with fisa, he is a judas sheep
we are not sheep…he will be a one term president and with our help getting real democrats elected, he will be lame
SCOTUS
It has been fixed to 150,000 Americans, but I don’t get the math.
Bill Gates is worth about $50 billion, you divide that by 150,000 people and you get $333,333 per person. And that is not the richest 400, that is just one.
epu’d
cspan is now giving the final vote as 74 to 25. will need to refer to official roll call for final total. will be listed here shortly.
“no” votes - grabbed from the cspan graphic (so must be considered as tentative):
sanders
sessions
shelby
stabenow
tester
vitter
wicker
wyden
allard
barrasso
cantwell
bunning
brownbeck
cochran
crapo
demint
dole
dorgan
enzi
feingold
inhofe
johnson
landrieu
nelson (bill, fl)
roberts
kennedy did not vote.
He was always going to vote for it, he said he was going to vote for it, he voted for it. Get over it.
This feels like the FISA dance. It’s really disgusting. I hate what this country has become.
So yeah, no more writing for me tonight. 150 million Americans. ie. about half the population.
Jimmy Carter failed Presidency the sequel.
He voted for telco-immunity too. Obama is apparently a master at cementing identity politics. He hornswoggled so many people during the primary into thinking he was a reform and civil-liberties candidate, and now he’s reaping the dividends.
People will still vote for him despite the fact that he just sold all his supporters right down the river.
Just curious why you wouldn’t consider Cynthia McKinney?
If McSFB wasn’t running and the Supreme Court wasn’t in the back of my mind all the time I’d vote for Brian Moore of the Florida Socialist Party.
Ian, I am so very confused. My questions include but are not necessarily limited to the following:
1) Assuming that the Senate bill or something like it passes the house, how does the $700BB (still a number picked out of thin air AFAIK) of authorized expenditures relate to the $660BB that the Treasury announced the other day that it’d invent, as in by printing it? Does it mean we won’t lose any net Treasury funds, and just pay for it in inflation?
2) If nobody thinks the Senate bill is going to actually fix anything fundamental and merely (or should I say at best) ease interbank lending liquidity, then why isn’t anybody in Congress or the Administration talking about how they’re going to have to come back and ask for still more money before too long? If folks are pissed now, they’ll be three times as pissed when that happens.
3) In the alternative, if anybody does think the Senate bill is going to fix some significant part of the underlying economic system problems, then why hasn’t anybody said so and clearly explained how? (Wait, I think I know the answer to this one.)
4) Can you interpret for us how Section 128 (which appears to allow banks to operate with zero reserves — for the first time?!?) relates to the rest of the scheme?
5) This guy thinks this is all a setup to allow Hank to do what he has always really wanted to do, which is not, as advertised, to buy bad debt off of US banks and backed by US properties, but rather to send the money to foreign banks and buy their troubled mortgages and mortgage-based securities backed by non-US properties. Do you have any information, or a view, on this angle?
I’ll probably think of more if I can just reduce my rate of fuming down to a rolling boil…
What will Paulson’s ROI (Return on Investment) be on the $700 billion?
Can the House do things to insure transparency so that we can see the vintage, FICO, zip code, … on mortgages that make up these securities? That’s a must to stay on Paulson.
most politicians have to wait until after the election to do that.
i have nothing to say but….keep those printers printing and get awheel barrow
Can’t believe both my congress critters got it right for once.
Need to thank them for the no votes.
That’s sort of the point isn’t it.
He’s not just voting for it, he’s been whipping it. And no, I’m not getting over it. I was willing to forgive (not forget, but forgive) FISA, this is a mile too far. I’m not sure how many betrayals others are willing to forgive, but this is the one that finishes me. I’ll support him over McCain, but he is effectively a moderate Republican at heart and I will be in opposition the day after the election, because he clearly cannot be trusted to do the right thing unless his ass is in the fire.
I will also predict right now that he is a one term president. He will be lucky to not be impeached in 2011 by the Republicans when they take control of the house, which he has made virtually certain of these last two weeks. Because no, this isn’t going to work, but it is going to cost a lot of money to not work.
Harry Reid now slathering over his wonderful colleague Mitch McConnell in press conference. Bruce Lunsford must be loving this.
I can’t remember a time when I was so depressed about —everything!
tax cuts! fucking tax cuts! these guys are nuts.
Yeah I know. I am just pissed off.
Ok will vote for Obama until supreme court is settled.
i can not gofor another OBAMA SLAMORAMA evening again…no can do
Reid is getting all teary. He better cry. We’re gonna throw the bastards out. In 10 if not in 08.
I don’t think anyone should have had any expectation that Senator Obama would vote against this bill. Unlike FISA.
Yea, the last straw.
Great the House is our last hope to kill this pig.
MSNBC reporting that Obama and Biden both voted for it.
Can anyone confirm with 100% certainty that McCain did vote for it?
McSFB…hiya….what is the acronym?
McConnell sez that the pols can all come together to screw the voters 5 weeks before an election. Yeah, they planned it that way, so we wouldn’t have time to work on alternatives.
Does it go straight to conference committee? Or does the House have to vote?
now the gratuitous back slapping
Never mind that the economy is going to tank right when the baby boomers retire and need there Social Security.
Johnny Cash was once asked if he was a hawk. He replied, “No, I’m a dove. With claws.”
Chris Dodd thanks the academy..
Good question if its a conference committee its Nancy and its over.
The economy is in freefall, according to purchasing managers report this morning. On Friday you’ll see it show up in the unemployment report.
1) The two are unrelated, but the bill has a provision (last I checked, which was the pre-Senate version) for a 1.3 trillion debt cap increase. Bernanke needs that because he has blown past his balance sheet and needs treasury to sell bonds for him to expand it. However they are two seperate expenditures.
2) Get the the election, then they can vote more money next year when people aren’t looking the electorate in the face. And I’m sure many of them do think it’ll work.
3) Ummmmmmm. They have sort of, it’s Hooverism. “This will restore confidence and confidence is the problem.”
4) At this point I’m not 100% sure. Textbooks say that lending is constrained by reserves, but I’m hearing from a couple people that this isn’t really true anymore and that reserves are actually about book value. How this works, I’m damned if I know, looking into it.
5) A lot of it is making Arab and Chinese debts good, yes. That’s why foreign entities can use the facilities. The Arabs and Chinese have been telling the US that they make it good, or they get cut off.
Re: your number 5 buying assets from foreign institutions.
I have read on some blogs speculation that the foreign governments and banks may go after the US institutions that sold the toxic waste. They might go after them because of the misrepresentation that the assets were safe AAA rated and good buys.
This may be part of it. Protecting the US banks from being sued for fraud. Probably some of the principals might go to jail if it were proven. Hmm…Paulson used to be a principal. Might be a little CYA on his part.
Dodd is proud to be a whore.
yea CONGRESS 10% favorability
Yea, and he walked on water around here when he fought fisa. Waaaaaaaa!
mccain voted for it. saunders voted against it (i guess his amendment got shit-canned).
And you know what’s funny, Southern Dragon?
‘We’ outnumber ‘them’ hugely.
What does that say?
Perhaps, in an ostensible ‘democracy’, the proper question is this: Why do we, “the People”, put up with this farcical and destructive behavior?
There is only one germaine answer.
FEAR.
Sloth, disinterest and craven stupity can only ‘explain’ just so much.
While edja-kayshun might help a mite, seems as though the general populace suffers from what ails the dems, theirownselves, they are so frightened, their spines just dissolved. Of course it helps a bit that the Political Class is invited to dine with the Ruling Class often enough so the Political Class has figured out which side their bread is buttered on.
Now the folks, well they don’t git invited nowheres except to vote and send money to the Political Class so that ‘change’ can audaciously happen.
Two thoughts:
Damn innerestin’ times.
And, quoting a fine, notable southern gentleman: “No war but class war, now!!!”
;~D
Reid is up in 2010. I think he should tend his homefires in Nevada, and run hard for re-election. I also think being Majority Leader will be a needless distraction for him. One thing we can organize after the election is a grass/netroots effort to get him to step down.
Exactly. I didn’t expect anything else. That’s what’s so disgusting and why I hate what this country has become. We’ve slid over a line in the last few months.
I find the above picture very troubling. Couldn’t a real picture of him been found?
well i think even SARAH PALIN could have been part of this concensus…”g”
Main St., Main St., Main St. Main St. is this shock’s mushroom cloud. How raped do you feel?
For #1, it doesn’t relate,different money
For #2, the idea is that $250B is initially given to Paulson with all the supposed oversight and then if the President decides that such isn’t enough, they request another $100B which the Congress can refuse(sure they can), and finally, if things aren’t working out after $350B, the President/Treasury can come back to the Congress for the other $350B.
#3 you’ve answered.
#4, it’s a different variant of the ponzi scheme.
See Section 101(e) of the bill re #5.
That’s the whole point, torpedo him.
As liberals, I think we still have lots of tools left in our toolkit.
Paulson’s got $250 billion up front? and more on the way. My hope is that liberal blogs will find a way to track the price of his purchases. I know these are complex instruments, but the possibility of traceability does exist.
What matters for the country is that this money is well spent. If liberal blogs can document early in the process, that that isn’t happenging, it’s a possible to repeat emptywheel’s Jane’s, and Christy’s seminal work on the CIA leak investigation.
SHOEMARE!!!
Democracy: one person, one vote.
Capitalism: one dollar, one vote.
Score today for capitalism.
let me see my 401k
These wankers have no idea how stupid they look to their constituents. Dianne Feinstein said she’d received 91,000 calls and emails, the most on any issue ever in such a short time, with less than 2,000 in favor of this bill.
And they all go on teevee and talk about the wonderful thing they have done.
Wankers.
From your lips …
What about Pelosi?
I’m not talking about Obama here. I’m talking about each and every one of us. If anything saves what little we have we’re going to have to do it ourselves. By pushing this bill Obama, if he wins, has ensured that he has to do nothing, using the excuse “there’s no money,” while wining and dining those 400 richest Americans. Yeah, I’ll vote for Obama. That will be the last thing I ever have to do with the two party system. It’s time to build alternatives. Not after the election, not next year. Yesterday. It’s time to fly the red flag of non-violent revolution.
its very important to blame the whole thing on him/
it really is psychotic break territory
Talk about being in a bubble. And creating bubbles.
?
Yes, that’s why I’m emigrating next spring.
i do NOT believe that is what he is about… i do NOT
Rachel: As ostentatious a display of self-congratulation as it was an ostentatious display of bipartisanship.
Grand, innit?
Let’s face it. Sometimes, voting for an unpopular bill is just the right thing to do and an act of courage in the face of public ignorance. This is NOT one of those times, Senator Obama.
btw - sanders was awesome. for anyone who missed his major speech on the bill, here is the link to it on the c-span archives (it’s already up).
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/.....5&n=2
SCHUMER really needs to go
Great leadership isn’t just getting people to follow you. It’s also going the right way.
And the Supremes have ruled that ‘money’ actually is ‘democracy’.
Ah yes, the Age of the Divine Right of Money.
How fortunate we are to witness these revealed truths, eCAHN, how very fortunate indeed.
The Best of All Possible Worlds … and it is ours.
Given your thoughts, why do you think Obama would appont nominees any different the Mr. Corporatist Roberts?
Most people here seem to think they KNOW exactly what this means and what will happen. I say bullshit, fuckin theory, their theory, our theory. bullshit.
the guy needs to get elected….then we can fine tune the direction…IMO
If this deal is as bad as I think the banks will be beging for cash after the new year we might have to nationalize them. If auto sales are any indication the economy is dropping fast.
The falling auto sales happened before the bailout. I see no way that this bailout will stimulate demand only liquidity but who needs to borrow money when demand is down?
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/0.....autosales/
My bold Bush still has time to beat Hoover.
The Harvey MIlk Democratic Club, risking its charter as a party club, will vote next Tuesday whether to withdraw their Pelosi endorsement. They are the more radical of the two LGBT Dem clubs in town; they endorsed Newsom’s opponent, who was a Green, but didn’t get their charter revoked since our mayoralty election is supposedly “non-partisan.”
But de-endorsing a candidate with a D next to her name — and considering an endorsement of Cindy Sheehan — is a bridge too far for local Democratis poo-bahs, I expect. We’ll see.
I have been reading my book of Ghandi quotes tonight thinking about the calamity that is sure to come.
“A small boy of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in thier mission can alter the course of history.” Mahatma Ghandi - 1938
Viva la revolution! I am with you my brother!
where are you going?
It’s like a goddamn faculty meeting here.
Memo to House Dems–the GOP are going to brain you for this. They are–literally–already running ads about it. What’s more important? A Wall Street banker having a job in January, or YOU having a job in January?
Then you must be a candidate to buy a bridge to nowhere.
Obama has war mongering, economically conservative advisors. He never let on in his life (as near as we can tell from public info) what he believes in. He is heavily financed by corps. He has ambition beyond anyone who has ever been prez, evidenced by how far he’s come while being black. He has figured out that making a good speech and not revealing anything else can get you to the top of the heap.
That’s my evidence. What’s yours?
Thanks much, Ian. Looking forward to your later thoughts on the zero-reserves, and on the non-US aspects. Hm, wonder if the deal they worked out included taking bad non-US-property debt b/c the foreign banks were starting up the same kinds of programs they saw (and were participating in) in the US.
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Why, that could be… impeachable malfeasance! Knock me over with a feather…
thank you Mrs Clinton
fuck it, I’m gone
Damn, how’d I forget to put that in my little screed at 78.
How ya doin’? I think it’s a combination of fear and apathy. Well, those who are fearful are about to have their nightmare come true and the apathetic are about to get a foot put up their ass.
I think BayWalk this Sat nite is going to be a fun meeting of radical left thinkers.
House has to vote on it now.
Her too.
do i have to pay for the kit?
I’m thinking about it
Thanks.
If McCain had voted against it, Democrats would have been in some neck-deep shit.
i think………..(it burns somewhat)…he will get us out of Iraq,take the money ….1.2 trillion a year,and spend it here….my belief
Glad you said that. Been thinking the same thing.
that’s the only thought that is keeping me from the hemlock
no stay …speak you are important here
South America is all I am willing to say on this forum.
Written into the legislation.
.
Thanks, interesting. But also a potential criminal or civil liability exposure for the Administration and/or officials of same…
I agree with you, but I’m bothered by the fact that I felt exactly the same way about Bill Clinton, and as a gay man, I ended up with Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the Defen