Comments on: Book Salon: Count My Vote http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:17:52 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1658003 dakine01 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:32:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1658003 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/paulson-bailout-failure-first-shot-in-the-next-class-war/" rel="nofollow">Ian a couple of flights upstairs</a></p> Ian a couple of flights upstairs

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657995 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:22:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657995 <p>Steve,<br /> thank you for spending time with us and thank you double for putting together such a handy guidebook</p> Steve,
thank you for spending time with us and thank you double for putting together such a handy guidebook

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657994 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:21:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657994 <p>Of course the beauty of a paper based system is that you can recount by hand</p> Of course the beauty of a paper based system is that you can recount by hand

]]> By: Steven Rosenfeld http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657992 Steven Rosenfeld Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:20:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657992 <p>Thank you all for participating. If you have more questions you can e-mail me at <a href="mailto:steven@alternet.org." rel="nofollow">steven@alternet.org.</a></p> <p>If you are doing voter registration and GOTV work this fall, check out the book. It gives you a sense of the landscape and lessons from the primary season.</p> Thank you all for participating. If you have more questions you can e-mail me at steven@alternet.org.

If you are doing voter registration and GOTV work this fall, check out the book. It gives you a sense of the landscape and lessons from the primary season.

]]> By: Steven Rosenfeld http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657991 Steven Rosenfeld Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:19:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657991 <p>What do I mean by cascade in electronic vote counting systems. Computer scientists have shown that software viruses that can alter results can travel with precinct memory cards or move up the vote-count pyramid, so to speak. Thus, the magnitude of errors with paperless voting is larger than with paper-based systems in some ways. </p> <p>What you want to avoid are several things: having local precinct totals be inflated to boost a county count, which will obscure whatever was altered at the local level; or software that comes from local precincts that directs county tabulators to alter the overall countywide count.</p> <p>This is why CA SOS Debra Bowen went back to a paper-ballot based system, where there are controls or intentional separation of the various voting machines as the cumulative totals are counted. That way there is more control against someone gaming the count.</p> What do I mean by cascade in electronic vote counting systems. Computer scientists have shown that software viruses that can alter results can travel with precinct memory cards or move up the vote-count pyramid, so to speak. Thus, the magnitude of errors with paperless voting is larger than with paper-based systems in some ways.

What you want to avoid are several things: having local precinct totals be inflated to boost a county count, which will obscure whatever was altered at the local level; or software that comes from local precincts that directs county tabulators to alter the overall countywide count.

This is why CA SOS Debra Bowen went back to a paper-ballot based system, where there are controls or intentional separation of the various voting machines as the cumulative totals are counted. That way there is more control against someone gaming the count.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657990 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:19:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657990 <p>It is odd that that terminolgy stuck, though. it’s pretty obscure</p> It is odd that that terminolgy stuck, though. it’s pretty obscure

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657989 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:17:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657989 <p>Relates to”cadger” which is of Scottish derivation and refers to a homeless person who panhandles</p> Relates to”cadger” which is of Scottish derivation and refers to a homeless person who panhandles

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657988 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:16:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657988 <p>I got a mailer from them about that. As a not-for-profit theycan’t interface with th DNC.</p> I got a mailer from them about that. As a not-for-profit theycan’t interface with th DNC.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657984 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:15:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657984 <p>It would be overkill to try to video the whole day. But videoing a particular incident is gold</p> It would be overkill to try to video the whole day. But videoing a particular incident is gold

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657983 looseheadprop Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:14:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/30/book-salon-count-my-vote/#comment-1657983 <p>NYDLC and organizations in other states were born out of the ashes of the Kerry campaign. Back when everybody thought Hillary would be the nominee and maybe against Guliani. Then NY would have been <strong>THE</strong> battleground state.</p> <p>Also, NY has one of the biggest concentration of lawyers on the planet–and is Dem dominated (at least in the City), so it all made sense 4 years ago when we started. But the goal is to have this in all 50 states, and we had a confence last novemebr at the DNC and I was happily surprised at how many states had Democratic lawyers councils up and running</p> NYDLC and organizations in other states were born out of the ashes of the Kerry campaign. Back when everybody thought Hillary would be the nominee and maybe against Guliani. Then NY would have been THE battleground state.

Also, NY has one of the biggest concentration of lawyers on the planet–and is Dem dominated (at least in the City), so it all made sense 4 years ago when we started. But the goal is to have this in all 50 states, and we had a confence last novemebr at the DNC and I was happily surprised at how many states had Democratic lawyers councils up and running

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