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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like you and Sen. Obama are on the same sheet of music on expanding FDIC Coverage to $250,000!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/obama-suggests-expanding-fdic-coverage-to-save-bailout-plan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://politicalticker.blogs.c.....lout-plan/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you can riff off of it, I’ll send your next article in to the Obama Campaign’s Economic Advisors through the Ideas portal like last night.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who knows? Maybe somebody ‘live’ is screening that box?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian!</p>
<p>Looks like you and Sen. Obama are on the same sheet of music on expanding FDIC Coverage to $250,000!</p>
<p><a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/obama-suggests-expanding-fdic-coverage-to-save-bailout-plan/" rel="nofollow">http://politicalticker.blogs.c&#8230;..lout-plan/</a></p>
<p>If you can riff off of it, I’ll send your next article in to the Obama Campaign’s Economic Advisors through the Ideas portal like last night.</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe somebody ‘live’ is screening that box?</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No I don’t. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don’t. </p>
<p>Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: iremember54</title>
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		<dc:creator>iremember54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t believe all these people who are so worried now about this 700 billion dollars. Where were you with the other 10 + trillion dollars of national debt. There is lots of blame to go around but remember the people who caused it in Washington and WAll Street people were supported by the people while they did this to us. People put their money in those banks and voted for the people in Washington so who really is to blame. I say they should spend 1400 billion dollars and put equal money into the country to jump start the economy. 700 billion dollars is enough to fix all our infrastructure get us started off foreign oil give us health care and fix social security all which would flow through the economy making it boom. People would have jobs to pay their bills and mortgages money to spend business would boom and taxes would be paid to pay for all of it. But NO, everyone wants to support stupid wars give money away and make every Arab rich while bitching about everything. If you want to know whats wrong read ” why we have so many American Problems and what we can do about them” available at authorhouse.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t believe all these people who are so worried now about this 700 billion dollars. Where were you with the other 10 + trillion dollars of national debt. There is lots of blame to go around but remember the people who caused it in Washington and WAll Street people were supported by the people while they did this to us. People put their money in those banks and voted for the people in Washington so who really is to blame. I say they should spend 1400 billion dollars and put equal money into the country to jump start the economy. 700 billion dollars is enough to fix all our infrastructure get us started off foreign oil give us health care and fix social security all which would flow through the economy making it boom. People would have jobs to pay their bills and mortgages money to spend business would boom and taxes would be paid to pay for all of it. But NO, everyone wants to support stupid wars give money away and make every Arab rich while bitching about everything. If you want to know whats wrong read ” why we have so many American Problems and what we can do about them” available at authorhouse.com</p>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
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		<dc:creator>spoonful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you - finally someone has - uh - stated a bit of monetary policy 101 - five years of the Iraq war has been destructive enough on our economy.  Now, in one fell swoop, the cost of the Iraq war gets doubled overnight.  Yes, if there’s no handout, there will be some folks who will lose their jobs, fortunes, houses, etc.   But what if the next government actually undertook policies to strengthen our balance sheet, such as stopping the 20 billion/month in Iraq [or the 6 billion gallons of fuel consumed by it].   The price of gas (the rise of which has merely been a form of tax by Bushco but by a different name) will continue to go down.  When it duz, good things will happen.  If the price of gas goes up, how long before another inflationary spiral leads to another downward tumble in r/e prices and we get another financial bailout . . . how’s your dollar?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you &#8211; finally someone has &#8211; uh &#8211; stated a bit of monetary policy 101 &#8211; five years of the Iraq war has been destructive enough on our economy.  Now, in one fell swoop, the cost of the Iraq war gets doubled overnight.  Yes, if there’s no handout, there will be some folks who will lose their jobs, fortunes, houses, etc.   But what if the next government actually undertook policies to strengthen our balance sheet, such as stopping the 20 billion/month in Iraq [or the 6 billion gallons of fuel consumed by it].   The price of gas (the rise of which has merely been a form of tax by Bushco but by a different name) will continue to go down.  When it duz, good things will happen.  If the price of gas goes up, how long before another inflationary spiral leads to another downward tumble in r/e prices and we get another financial bailout . . . how’s your dollar?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;These drops hurt the top 5% a lot more than anything else in his administration.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the game of Musical Chairs it’s essential for our Masters of the Universe to take all the cash and leave worthless paper to everybody else (the masses, represented by mutual funds or other things the common folk are in).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they own the stock, create a bubble to suck everybody in and inflate the price of the stock and then puncture it by selling out Enron-style. They can get a lot of inflated cash and leave everybody else with paper.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not news to say that. It’s traditional. What we’re seeing now which is a bit embarrassing is that all the plays are out in the open, they’re expected and the politicians who are in on it are obvious frauds. It’s like a whorehouse without the walls to hide it from the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, some of the public refused to participate in the bailout. But, a lot are in the markets. More were invited to put Soc. Sec. funds, but refused.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What always amazes me is that if the system simply sucks cash out at a slow steady rate it makes some people very wealthy and happy and doesn’t destroy things for everybody else. But, often they lose control (as Bush said, they get drunk) and overdo. Now, perhaps because of the world trade movement, they want to suck it dry NOW, before somebody else takes over as top dog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These drops hurt the top 5% a lot more than anything else in his administration.</p>
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<p>In the game of Musical Chairs it’s essential for our Masters of the Universe to take all the cash and leave worthless paper to everybody else (the masses, represented by mutual funds or other things the common folk are in).</p>
<p>If they own the stock, create a bubble to suck everybody in and inflate the price of the stock and then puncture it by selling out Enron-style. They can get a lot of inflated cash and leave everybody else with paper.</p>
<p>It’s not news to say that. It’s traditional. What we’re seeing now which is a bit embarrassing is that all the plays are out in the open, they’re expected and the politicians who are in on it are obvious frauds. It’s like a whorehouse without the walls to hide it from the public.</p>
<p>Well, some of the public refused to participate in the bailout. But, a lot are in the markets. More were invited to put Soc. Sec. funds, but refused.</p>
<p>What always amazes me is that if the system simply sucks cash out at a slow steady rate it makes some people very wealthy and happy and doesn’t destroy things for everybody else. But, often they lose control (as Bush said, they get drunk) and overdo. Now, perhaps because of the world trade movement, they want to suck it dry NOW, before somebody else takes over as top dog.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think he wants himself and his billionaire friends to pick up these banks/institutions for nothing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Chinese and Saudis are buying up real stuff too. What would you do if you had tons of cash and the real stuff was cheap?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s similar to a problem we’ve had through much of our society’s existence: a handful of people have much more money than everybody else (more than they need to live on) and they use that extra money to control everything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now it’s gone international and though Americans have been in the lead in this game there’s no rule which says we don’t, at some later time, get to be ruled by somebody else. And, why? Not because they are smarter or more industrious or anything really important, but because of some freak happenstance of nature.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t we base our system on something more substantial and self-sustaining?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think he wants himself and his billionaire friends to pick up these banks/institutions for nothing.</p>
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<p>The Chinese and Saudis are buying up real stuff too. What would you do if you had tons of cash and the real stuff was cheap?</p>
<p>It’s similar to a problem we’ve had through much of our society’s existence: a handful of people have much more money than everybody else (more than they need to live on) and they use that extra money to control everything.</p>
<p>Now it’s gone international and though Americans have been in the lead in this game there’s no rule which says we don’t, at some later time, get to be ruled by somebody else. And, why? Not because they are smarter or more industrious or anything really important, but because of some freak happenstance of nature.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t we base our system on something more substantial and self-sustaining?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;are there real shortages that can account for the increasing prices?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On Wall Street there is always a shortage of money, so they’re always finding ways to increase prices or to take a bigger cut.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think I read recently that over the last couple of decades the financial industry (read “New York City”) has grown to something like 20-25% of the entire national economy. But, the economy hasn’t grown much at all. That means they’ve diverted a lot of cash to flow through their part of the world and they all take a cut. The more that goes through the more they make. Also, the more that goes through and gets caught in their nets the more the government needs to make so the rest of the ‘real’ economy continues to have enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’ve gotten so efficient at taking a cut off the entire economy that it’s requiring government to print that much more cash for everybody else. Essentially they’re printing their own cash and occasionally, such as now, pushing us to the edge of extinction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it just a power play? Are they aware of how insane this is? Do they want to destroy the goose that lays their golden eggs? Can they stop themselves if they realized?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>are there real shortages that can account for the increasing prices?</p>
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<p>On Wall Street there is always a shortage of money, so they’re always finding ways to increase prices or to take a bigger cut.</p>
<p>I think I read recently that over the last couple of decades the financial industry (read “New York City”) has grown to something like 20-25% of the entire national economy. But, the economy hasn’t grown much at all. That means they’ve diverted a lot of cash to flow through their part of the world and they all take a cut. The more that goes through the more they make. Also, the more that goes through and gets caught in their nets the more the government needs to make so the rest of the ‘real’ economy continues to have enough.</p>
<p>They’ve gotten so efficient at taking a cut off the entire economy that it’s requiring government to print that much more cash for everybody else. Essentially they’re printing their own cash and occasionally, such as now, pushing us to the edge of extinction.</p>
<p>Is it just a power play? Are they aware of how insane this is? Do they want to destroy the goose that lays their golden eggs? Can they stop themselves if they realized?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;from what I’ve learned from ian and echanomics, plus all the posters at the lake, money just evaporated with this economic crash&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Considering the various ways they’ve learned to leverage money it’s quite possible to take $1 and inflate some paper to $100 at least.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’ve got a piece of paper and I can borrow $100 on my $1, then I can pay $100 for your paper.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somewhere along the way somebody decides to turn off the music in this game of Musical Chairs and when everybody tries to find a chair there are going to be some people holding cash and some holding paper. Cash wins. The paper just drops to $0 (the bubble burst) and the cash is still worth $100.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then you pay back the loan…oops, all bankrupt. Somebody is out borrowed money and they go bankrupt too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, borrowed money doesn’t relate to the real world. So, what’s happened is the banking industry which loans lots of dough with little collateral is creating money from thin air and later when it can’t get the loan back somebody named Uncle Sam has to print more cash. This means all the cash in the game is worth less (not worthless, but less) to the degree the entire money supply has been inflated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How to win this game?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Always have a chair handy with “too big to fail” written on it.&lt;br /&gt;
Always have FDIC insurance.&lt;br /&gt;
Always have government backing, so you don’t have to worry, but people do.&lt;br /&gt;
It also helps if you have crooked politicians helping you — as appears to have happened in this real estate bubble/scam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the banking credit system a bust? Well, without it our capitalistic economic system probably wouldn’t work. So, once again, they have full backing by government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>from what I’ve learned from ian and echanomics, plus all the posters at the lake, money just evaporated with this economic crash</p>
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<p>Considering the various ways they’ve learned to leverage money it’s quite possible to take $1 and inflate some paper to $100 at least.</p>
<p>If you’ve got a piece of paper and I can borrow $100 on my $1, then I can pay $100 for your paper.</p>
<p>Somewhere along the way somebody decides to turn off the music in this game of Musical Chairs and when everybody tries to find a chair there are going to be some people holding cash and some holding paper. Cash wins. The paper just drops to $0 (the bubble burst) and the cash is still worth $100.</p>
<p>Then you pay back the loan…oops, all bankrupt. Somebody is out borrowed money and they go bankrupt too.</p>
<p>Of course, borrowed money doesn’t relate to the real world. So, what’s happened is the banking industry which loans lots of dough with little collateral is creating money from thin air and later when it can’t get the loan back somebody named Uncle Sam has to print more cash. This means all the cash in the game is worth less (not worthless, but less) to the degree the entire money supply has been inflated.</p>
<p>How to win this game?</p>
<p>Always have a chair handy with “too big to fail” written on it.<br />
Always have FDIC insurance.<br />
Always have government backing, so you don’t have to worry, but people do.<br />
It also helps if you have crooked politicians helping you — as appears to have happened in this real estate bubble/scam.</p>
<p>Is the banking credit system a bust? Well, without it our capitalistic economic system probably wouldn’t work. So, once again, they have full backing by government.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I could probably point out how gas is so much higher than when Bush took office, but that seems like shooting at an unarmed man.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your humor is uh ah er … disarming.&lt;br /&gt;
Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I could probably point out how gas is so much higher than when Bush took office, but that seems like shooting at an unarmed man.</p>
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<p>Your humor is uh ah er … disarming.<br />
Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not ready yet to buy your argument, but if it is correct, than the best bet is that we are heading for a Japan style liquidity trap.  The asset that will be bid up is money.  The only way to get people to unload that money is to reduce its value by printing more of it, something the Japanese Central Bank was unwilling to do, but I think our Central Bank will be willing to do.  If zero interest rates won’t get people spending and investing, then we have to go to negative interest rates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not ready yet to buy your argument, but if it is correct, than the best bet is that we are heading for a Japan style liquidity trap.  The asset that will be bid up is money.  The only way to get people to unload that money is to reduce its value by printing more of it, something the Japanese Central Bank was unwilling to do, but I think our Central Bank will be willing to do.  If zero interest rates won’t get people spending and investing, then we have to go to negative interest rates.</p>
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