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		<title>By: Cookie08</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654803</link>
		<dc:creator>Cookie08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you read the entire NYT article about gambling - and it’s a LOT to wrap your head around - it is damning.  But it won’t matter.  Just like no one is talking about Keating Five or Cindy’s drug use, or the corrupt lobbyist, or Gov. Palin’s MANY ethical lapses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We say that we want politicians who are “just like me”.  Even though McCain has 7 houses and 13 cars and Palin shoots wolves out of helicopters - somehow they are just like me us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The campaign to smear Obama as “other” has been ongoing from day 1.  Right now 13% of Americans believe he is Muslim.  And everyday, Talk Radio and the right wing blogs are saying that he wasn’t born in the U.S., he went to an Islamic fundamentalist school, that he is a product of Affirmative Action - meaning he really didn’t deserve to go to college.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if all that nasty smear mongering doesn’t work, the Repub ground game is working 24/7 to steal the election - just like in the past.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the entire NYT article about gambling &#8211; and it’s a LOT to wrap your head around &#8211; it is damning.  But it won’t matter.  Just like no one is talking about Keating Five or Cindy’s drug use, or the corrupt lobbyist, or Gov. Palin’s MANY ethical lapses.</p>
<p>We say that we want politicians who are “just like me”.  Even though McCain has 7 houses and 13 cars and Palin shoots wolves out of helicopters &#8211; somehow they are just like me us.</p>
<p>The campaign to smear Obama as “other” has been ongoing from day 1.  Right now 13% of Americans believe he is Muslim.  And everyday, Talk Radio and the right wing blogs are saying that he wasn’t born in the U.S., he went to an Islamic fundamentalist school, that he is a product of Affirmative Action &#8211; meaning he really didn’t deserve to go to college.</p>
<p>And if all that nasty smear mongering doesn’t work, the Repub ground game is working 24/7 to steal the election &#8211; just like in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: PopeRatzo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654605</link>
		<dc:creator>PopeRatzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not every critique of Obama or flattering piece about McCain is racially motivated, of course. That would be absurd to suggest. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not so sure any more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not every critique of Obama or flattering piece about McCain is racially motivated, of course. That would be absurd to suggest. </p>
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<p>I’m not so sure any more.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654472</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that America still has the not inconsiderable legacy of racism, but it has evolved considerably since the days of Jack Johnson. Today we largely express that racism as the “fear of the unknown other”. We might have colleagues and friends of other races, but we still carry the “group stereotypes”, thinking our friends are exceptions to the rule. So we are now at the level of “Huck Finn” at the end of the novel. We can accept and recognize that the minorities we known are fully human, with personas that may be distinct and individualized as anyone in our social group. And even better. But I suspect that Huck went back to Missouri still thinking that most black people, Jim excepted, were pretty much as he thought before. But he did take a step…and it’s a long journey down America’s Mississippi. That’s where many Americans are today. They’re willing to trust people of other races, but  only if they have a chance to experience them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Obama has had to expose himself in ways that no white candidate would ever have to. The strategy has to be very different than what would be tolerated with a white candidate. Imagine that it was the black candidate acting as McCain did in the last debate (pouting, grimacing, refusing to look at his opponent, attacking aggressively, making false claims) and the White candidate being the cool, collected, intelligent, and personable. Would the pundits have called it a “tie”?  Or would they have suggested that the black candidate was “shrill” and lacked Presidential demeanor, and was unprepared or had lost it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the Republicans have to keep hammering at things which suggest that Obama is not who he is and to try and take Obama from out of the public eye. That was why they tried to get the debate cancelled after Obama’s numbers went up. Their major hope was playing the Obama is a dangerous “black” militant in cahoots with the big capitalists on Wall Street! Even the absurd meme that Obama isn’t really a US Citizen has reemerged by the Right Wing Blogosphere!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that America still has the not inconsiderable legacy of racism, but it has evolved considerably since the days of Jack Johnson. Today we largely express that racism as the “fear of the unknown other”. We might have colleagues and friends of other races, but we still carry the “group stereotypes”, thinking our friends are exceptions to the rule. So we are now at the level of “Huck Finn” at the end of the novel. We can accept and recognize that the minorities we known are fully human, with personas that may be distinct and individualized as anyone in our social group. And even better. But I suspect that Huck went back to Missouri still thinking that most black people, Jim excepted, were pretty much as he thought before. But he did take a step…and it’s a long journey down America’s Mississippi. That’s where many Americans are today. They’re willing to trust people of other races, but  only if they have a chance to experience them.</p>
<p>So Obama has had to expose himself in ways that no white candidate would ever have to. The strategy has to be very different than what would be tolerated with a white candidate. Imagine that it was the black candidate acting as McCain did in the last debate (pouting, grimacing, refusing to look at his opponent, attacking aggressively, making false claims) and the White candidate being the cool, collected, intelligent, and personable. Would the pundits have called it a “tie”?  Or would they have suggested that the black candidate was “shrill” and lacked Presidential demeanor, and was unprepared or had lost it. </p>
<p>And the Republicans have to keep hammering at things which suggest that Obama is not who he is and to try and take Obama from out of the public eye. That was why they tried to get the debate cancelled after Obama’s numbers went up. Their major hope was playing the Obama is a dangerous “black” militant in cahoots with the big capitalists on Wall Street! Even the absurd meme that Obama isn’t really a US Citizen has reemerged by the Right Wing Blogosphere!</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654379</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re wrong. (You asked someone to tell you).  Buffett is about the only person I would listen to in this financial clusterfuck.  He’s been warning his shareholders for more than a decade about what might be coming down the track, and had to deal with a bunch of the same toxic waste that was bundled up with General Re when he bought it at the end of the 90s.  Buffett is about the most responsible financier out there.  If he says it’s bad, it’s bad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People are saying that retailers like Circuit City are havig to finance their inventories at 20 percent!  This is way beyond meltdown territory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re wrong. (You asked someone to tell you).  Buffett is about the only person I would listen to in this financial clusterfuck.  He’s been warning his shareholders for more than a decade about what might be coming down the track, and had to deal with a bunch of the same toxic waste that was bundled up with General Re when he bought it at the end of the 90s.  Buffett is about the most responsible financier out there.  If he says it’s bad, it’s bad.</p>
<p>People are saying that retailers like Circuit City are havig to finance their inventories at 20 percent!  This is way beyond meltdown territory.</p>
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		<title>By: AmosAnan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654362</link>
		<dc:creator>AmosAnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m surprised that the racial aspect of the debate hasn’t been noted more. I’m not a fan of the boxing metaphor because it reminds me of “rope-a-dope” and that reminds me of the substanceless rhetoric that is characteristic of Barack Obama that I think of as hope-a-dope. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Republicans have done a great job of nullifying the race and racist aspect of their efforts by crying “race card” whenever the Obama camp points out racist aspects of the Republicans. At this point even bluntly racist terms like “uppity” are considered innocuous by the corporate press and media. But my impression of the debate is that it projected a racist attitude from McCain. Of course it could be considered non-racial. McCain shows that attitude to just about anyone that doesn’t kiss his feet But the reality of that behavior, when face to face with someone of another race, takes on a racial and racist character.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Elsewhere I’ve described Obama’s projected persona as that of Ritchie Cunningham. He has to avoid appearing to be the angry Black man. There can be no fists in the air (or fist bumping). He has to project that he’s one of you, not one of them. With that in mind I see Obama’s quiet composure and lack of counterattack against a demeaning onslaught as similar to Jackie Robinson. They are both “firsts” and face the same hurdles as firsts. As with Robinson, the quiet determination and obvious possession of skills and talent well worthy of the positions that Obama has had and seeks makes McCain’s disparaging attitude seem racist. Never mentioned in the corporate press is that McCain, though a descendant of multiple Navy admirals is also a descendant of a Mississippi slave master. McCain reminded me of Pat Buchanan at the 1992 Republican national convention. The “southern strategy” hate that is the core of Reagan Republicanism comes through, even if only subconsciously. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Americans may be racist but they don’t like to be reminded that they are. McCain did that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S. “Devious” reminded me of an NYTimes piece years ago (won’t even try to find a link) that described a 1920s New York Times article on a basketball game. The play of some of the players, whose ethnic background was new to the game, was also described as “devious.” The players were Jews.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m surprised that the racial aspect of the debate hasn’t been noted more. I’m not a fan of the boxing metaphor because it reminds me of “rope-a-dope” and that reminds me of the substanceless rhetoric that is characteristic of Barack Obama that I think of as hope-a-dope. </p>
<p>The Republicans have done a great job of nullifying the race and racist aspect of their efforts by crying “race card” whenever the Obama camp points out racist aspects of the Republicans. At this point even bluntly racist terms like “uppity” are considered innocuous by the corporate press and media. But my impression of the debate is that it projected a racist attitude from McCain. Of course it could be considered non-racial. McCain shows that attitude to just about anyone that doesn’t kiss his feet But the reality of that behavior, when face to face with someone of another race, takes on a racial and racist character.</p>
<p>Elsewhere I’ve described Obama’s projected persona as that of Ritchie Cunningham. He has to avoid appearing to be the angry Black man. There can be no fists in the air (or fist bumping). He has to project that he’s one of you, not one of them. With that in mind I see Obama’s quiet composure and lack of counterattack against a demeaning onslaught as similar to Jackie Robinson. They are both “firsts” and face the same hurdles as firsts. As with Robinson, the quiet determination and obvious possession of skills and talent well worthy of the positions that Obama has had and seeks makes McCain’s disparaging attitude seem racist. Never mentioned in the corporate press is that McCain, though a descendant of multiple Navy admirals is also a descendant of a Mississippi slave master. McCain reminded me of Pat Buchanan at the 1992 Republican national convention. The “southern strategy” hate that is the core of Reagan Republicanism comes through, even if only subconsciously. </p>
<p>Americans may be racist but they don’t like to be reminded that they are. McCain did that.</p>
<p>P.S. “Devious” reminded me of an NYTimes piece years ago (won’t even try to find a link) that described a 1920s New York Times article on a basketball game. The play of some of the players, whose ethnic background was new to the game, was also described as “devious.” The players were Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654361</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, and thanks for this engaged, thoughtful FDL community.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and thanks for this engaged, thoughtful FDL community.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/236&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New post&lt;/a&gt; by Ari inviting participation in Oxdown!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/236" rel="nofollow">New post</a> by Ari inviting participation in Oxdown!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hugh, why don’t you make these comments your first “diary” at Oxdown?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, why don’t you make these comments your first “diary” at Oxdown?</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/28/the-great-white-hope/#comment-1654358</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are gobs of idiots out there that believe all things rethug are wonderful and that the devil created the democrats to steal all that is precious to them. Rationality is bad and dogma is good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are gobs of idiots out there that believe all things rethug are wonderful and that the devil created the democrats to steal all that is precious to them. Rationality is bad and dogma is good.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before we collectively move on, I want to add my thanks as well for this excellent post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cold hard fact is that racism will be the only reason Obama will not win this election, period, the end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As John Grisham, a self described Hillary Clinton supporter said before the debate “Obama should have a 15 point lead, but he doesn’t because of his race.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we collectively move on, I want to add my thanks as well for this excellent post.</p>
<p>The cold hard fact is that racism will be the only reason Obama will not win this election, period, the end.</p>
<p>As John Grisham, a self described Hillary Clinton supporter said before the debate “Obama should have a 15 point lead, but he doesn’t because of his race.”</p>
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