Here’s how the protagonist was described:
He developed a more patient approach than was customary…playing defensively, waiting for a mistake, and then capitalizing on it…[He] always began…cautiously…[and] gave the impression of having much more to offer and, if pushed, he could punch quite powerfully. [His] style was very effective, but it was criticized in the…press as being cowardly and devious.
No, this wasn’t a review of Barack Obama’s performance in the first presidential debate. It is from the Wikipedia entry on American boxer Jack Johnson. From 1908 to 1915, he was the first African American heavyweight champion of the world.
Nobody in the mainstream press calls Obama cowardly or devious, exactly. But many pundits and analysts seem always to believe Obama under-performs and misses opportunities. Back in the early 20th Century, overtly racist white Americans expected Jack Johnson to perform like a subhuman brute in the ring. By showing finesse and intelligence, Johnson was getting above his raisin’. Well, actually, the bigots believed he was getting above his species.
The parallels between the boxer Jack Johnson and Barack Obama and "Great White Hope" boxer James Jeffries and John McCain may seem anachronistic. America’s racial attitudes are a good deal better than they were in 1910. At the Johnson-Jeffries fight in Reno that year, the ringside band played, "All coons look alike to me," and the crowd was urged to chant, "Kill the n—–.
Still, there remains among some number of Americans an ignorant and ugly prejudice toward people of color. Duh. We use euphemisms for these bigots – the very unfair "white, male, blue-collar worker," for instance. I say unfair because only some of this demographic are bigots, and by nervously avoiding talk of racism and short-handing the demographic description, we are accusing millions of Americans of prejudice they don’t have. We are also hiding the real bigots as effectively as if we’d bought them white sheets.
No, it’s not 1910, and at the debate in Oxford, Mississippi, Friday night, the KKK didn’t chant. It did hand out pamphlets.
But when a journalist like Politico’s Roger Simon can watch the first debate and then write, "The Mac is Back," something besides simple debate analysis is going on. I don’t know Simon, but I know he has an outstanding reputation among his peers, probably due as much to his affable, Wally Cox-like demeanor as to his reporting skills. I’ve singled him out because his analysis is baffling, but also just because the media elite seem to like him so much, and I want them to think deeply about why they are writing what they’re writing. I’m certain Simon’s no throwback racist, and I make no such accusation. He probably just wants McCain to win.
I am, however, saying this: Over the last 10 days Obama has begun to pull away from McCain in the polls. The margin is significant. Also, the snap polls after the debate showed the public giving the Democratic nominee a significant win. Had this situation been reversed, had McCain been pulling ahead in the polls substantially and won a clear victory in the debate, Simon and his colleagues would be writing Obama’s obituary. They would not be writing, "Barack is Back." No one can honestly doubt that.
And I believe that this has something to do with Americans’ racial attitudes. A different standard is applied to Obama, as it was to Jack Johnson. He’s achieved something no one thought a black American would achieve in this era. That’s a sobering enough thought, but it’s true. His victory in the Democratic primary surprised all the pundits. And they’re still surprised. And most of them believe that the racist vote in America will probably be sufficient to defeat him. They just don’t say it so bluntly.
We’re not talking openly about racism, because 1) We don’t like to think about it; 2) there is a hopeful and inspiring generational change happening with regard to race in America, and we have our fingers crossed that it’ll just get the job done without us having to talk about it any more (like we hope our kids learn about sex without us having to teach them, except our kids actually do learn about sex); 3) Obama truly is a post-racial personality, and it’s not in the (morally justifiable, I think) pragmatic interests of his campaign to struggle with yesterday’s racial categories and terms; 4) conservatives are masters at racist code, and are quite happy with the more general public dread of racial talk.
When the right wing blames the financial crisis on people of color, the charge is, of course, a lie. But they don’t care. Tossing out a little dark-skinned culprit now and again keeps the bigots stirred. It’s the same with those barbarians who would use a term like "uppity" this year. The user will be criticized, but the word once let loose will do its nasty work. And everybody knows it.
I saw Howard Sackler’s film adaptation of his Broadway play, "The Great White Hope," in 1970. I was sixteen. It was one of the first movies I was able to drive myself to in my hometown of Houston, Texas. Schools there wouldn’t be desegrated until the next year, under a zoning plan mandated by the federal courts. We caused an actual chair-tossing riot of parents at my all-white high school when we radical students invited a well-respected black political leader, the late Mickey Leland, to come to an assembly and explain the desegregation plan.
In the film, James Earl Jones reprised his stage role as Johnson. I was deeply touched, and remain so. The play, the movie, and Johnson’s actual biography are much more complex than a simple morality tale. Still, what I remember most is the boxer’s courage and the ugly and maniacal bigotry of whites offended at the challenge to their assumed biological superiority.
I don’t want that kind of bigotry to remain hidden. I especially don’t want it hidden if it’s going to play a significant role in the outcome of the 2008 election. To some number of Americans, John McCain is running as a Great White Hope. His handlers have designed it that way. He knows it. The political press knows it.
Some in the press are not even confronting their own attitudes about race, which I honestly believe are not racist attitudes. Their attitudes may just be generational after-effects, little more than ambiguous expectations and the usual more-or-less liberal white person’s discomfort with all thoughts about race. (Sadly, most of the press I speak of are white.)
Not every critique of Obama or flattering piece about McCain is racially motivated, of course. That would be absurd to suggest. But it sure is harder to tell what is and what isn’t when the subject itself is banished from the discussion.
Oh, one more thing. Jack Johnson defeated Jeffries. He finally lost the boxing title a few years later, at age 37. He served a good boxing equivalent of two full terms.
Related posts:
- The Nobel is Great, but the Press Release is Even Better
- Evan Bayh, Big Oil and Coal’s Great White Hope, is Open for Business
- A Pandemic of Hope
- Krugman on Republican Health Care Logic: The Great Ignorance Meets the Great Disingenuousness
- Obama’s Cairo Speech: New Directions, New Modalities, Renewed Hope?





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Thank you for this excellent post.
So very, sadly, true.
Yep. They’re blaming the poor & people of color for the collapse. Unfreakingbelievable! But, of course, did we expect any less from the fascist bastards? Hey, they have to blame someone because they surely couldn’t blame the Fat Cats on Wall Street! Spit.
Thank you for the complement. Sad as it is, the situation remains changeable. We just have to do it. Simply refusing silence on these issues — with family, friends, colleagues, neighbors — is a powerful challenge to the weak and cowardly status quo.
I’m certain Simon’s no throwback racist, and I make no such accusation. He probably just wants McCain to win.
He must *really* want McCrazy to win, because if I’m not mistaken, Gramps dissed both the NYT and Politico in the same sentence last week *before* the debate.
“So, you took a dump on me? No problem, I luv ya anyway.”
Good Morning Glenn,
shorter Roger Simon – “Shane !!! …Come Back Shane !!!”
his headline said a lot more about Simon than it did about McCain -
It’s a repetitive tactic of pulling a tiny slice out of the pie and blaming that slice…when the whole pie’s rotten.
We see it in McCain’s “war on earmarks”–a slice of the federal budget–when it’s the much larger slices, the totally off the books military spending that put us in the mess we’re in. That argument isn’t yet being made effectively on our side.
http://www.gregpalast.com/elli…..ts-nailed/
We know that it is a lie but the Democrat talking heads on the MSM never call the GOP out on it. I do think the blogs could do more too.
what kind of American is ‘sub-prime.’ Guess. No peeking. Here’s a hint: 73% of HIGH INCOME Black and Hispanic borrowers were given sub-prime loans versus 17% of similar-income Whites. Dark-skinned borrowers aren’t stupid – they had no choice. They were ‘steered’ as it’s called in the mortgage sharking business.
Bachmann is the type of mentally challenged fool that does this kind of thing. You have to wonder where the Repugs find these fools. This is from Think Progress
Yep. The Charlatans keep changing their snazzy clothes!
This from my comment at 7 should have been in quotes too.
Sometimes it’s not even the same pie — just a distraction pulled from the tupperware of leftovers in the freezer.
Glen,
Thanks for your thoughtful, dead on post. I LOVE IT when bloggers call it like it is, without using the “nice” euphemisms that we’re all used to.
God bless.
From now on the law in America is:
If Joe Smith robs a bank in the city, he will be arrested but will get the rest of the bank’s money before his trial date. Of course Joe Smith will take the money and run, but that’s okay, because this is the law of the land now!
Spit.
If the IBD and other GOP nuts think that they can take our money and then blame us well last thread they were saying there was a 24 hr public comment time on the bank bailout deal.
I say lets torch it then lets see if the IBD gets a little humble.
I used to deliver that paper back when Clinton was President the IBD sold a lot more papers. Under Bush sales dropped the GOP does not seem to get that fact.
She is one of Palin’s “Truth Squad”–she represents a pro-life district that responds to dogwhistles and the Pavlovian drumbeat about life, life, life. They don’t seem to have noticed that the drumbeat stops as soon as the election’s over because the Rethugs would be in a blind panic if RvW ever went off the table.
That is exactly right. The right or wrong of this isn’t the point of the racist attack. It’s its own point. Simply keep reminding the bigots that the dusky hordes are at the door. It’s a cynical, manipulative tactic.
The Obama interview on Face the Nation just ended. Great interview. No ‘gotcha’ questions, very conversational, Obama looked very presidential.
Thanks for you kind thought. Maybe the encouragement will rub off on others, though since I’ve been honored to write for FDL, I’ve sure noticed the gang here tells it like it is with great and courageous frequency! I don’t think they need any encouragement.
Come to think of it with the economy tanking ad revenue for the IBD should tank too if given the current trend of bad economy = lower ad revenue and ad sales I doubt the IBD could survive a McCain presidency.
Schieffer’s conversation with Obama makes good listening, wasn’t able to be attentive enough to liveblog. Schieffer’s closing comment on the heritage of Ole Miss ties right in with this thread.
Schieffer”It was a fine debate but so much more, a significant moment in American history.”
Schieffer did ask Obama about McCain’s proposal to freeze all the spending. Hmmm, don’t think I heard Snuffy ask McCain….
had some Fun With Facts last night at dinner -
one of the friends is an Escrow Officer – and when I explained to her that 63% of the toxic sub-prime loans were given to folks who would have qualified for fixed, Prime loans – her jaw literally dropped – she understood the ramifications instantly . . .and at that point we just shut up and let her explain it to the other 10 families sitting there with us – oooh lotsa mad taxpayers at that table :D
These are the things that fascists do..remember this is exactly the ruse that Hitler used against the Jews for Germany’s economic collapse.
A-yep.
Jack Johnson had a way more ‘in your face’ demeanor than does Obama. But I’ll bet Obama celebrates with fist in the air when he watches The Great White Hope.
Thanks for comforting me this morning. LOL
Reliable Kurtz chronicling on McCain’s media pushback–plays well with the Republican voter. Kurtz, fair minded people are going to ask, can all these stories be wrong, or is the McCain team trying to demonize the press?
Glenn, thanks for writing this post. It is excellent. This conversation has to take place. The secret racism is like something slimy growing under a rock and needs a lot of light. When Obama is elected the country will see that he is a good president who is trying for us. Maybe, just maybe we will begin to see things differently. I am so happy that I can see all this happening – it was my dream that I would see an AA president in my lifetime and I think it’s about to happen.
The historic significance is impossible to overstate. I’ll be writing more about that. The nation’s soul is riven by slavery, genocide of the continent’s indigenous peoples, ongoing institutional segregation etc. sad etc. But I believe its health is improved, however modestly, by the image of a black American debating his white opponent (in front of 60 million viewers) for the presidency of the United States. Quite a remarkable event.
There seems to be a real shift in the air since the debate. I have 2 friends who did not want to vote for Obama. They never used race as the reason but since their stated reasons were easily shot down, one has to assume that unacknowledged racism was at the root. They saw the debate differently than Obama supporters looking for a knockout punch. They watched looking for a reason to support McCain. Spoke to both over the weekend and they were both disgusted with McCain and complimentary towards Obama.
This should be shouted from the rooftops. Voters of the Rethug persuasion need to face the fact that their deregulation-hungry governance gives free license for this kind of action.
good on ya.
I’ve narrowed down my most significant conversation-changers to two:
1) McCrazy will treat employers’ contributions to employee health insurance as taxable income to the employee, and
2) Sarah Palin forced rape *victims* to pay for their own rape kits.
‘course, if there’s time, I’ve got a lot more… *g*
McCain will get more racist in his appeals as his poll numbers keep slipping the GOP’s message that dark people caused the banks to fail does not seem to be helping McCain enough.
But I bet it will help spur minority voter turnout.
Sow the Wind Reap the Whirl Wind!
Warren Buffett warned negotiators that we faced the biggest financial meltdown in history.
I should have added that the very calm, even-tempered, conciliatory Obama was just what they needed to see to make that shift.
Well put, Twain. Like you, I am so heartened by the possibility before us. Just to be here with the possibility is extraordinary. It also raises the stakes to almost unimaginable proportions. One reason that certain truths, like your slime metaphor, need to be shouted over and over — right now.
That sounds like a great dinner party! I think we need lots more comments and posts on this subject before the Paulson plan is passed. Then we have a 24 hr comment period I hope Christy will call us to man the phones again.
watching McCrazy on George Stephy:
It occurs to me that there seem to be wild fluctuations in the level of McCain’s “energy”.
“Paging Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine…”
House Republicans will still try to screw up this bill says Eric Cantor because we say we want to protect the taxpayers, but we really want to protect our sorry Rethuglican asses.
my paraphrase.
[Oh, and just who is going to write this insurance that the Rethugs are talking about?]
We are not ready to say a deal is done, says Cantor.
Also Cool Mary Chapin Carpenter quote:)
Cantor and now Barney Frank on CNN, upcoming Dodd and some Rethug.
and “Dr. Feelgood”?
Tell me if I’m wrong. Warren Buffet just saw a chance to make billions more and jumped right in. Everybody on the national stage telling us we need this is going to make megabucks.
loved when Obama brought up the tax on employers contributions, unfortunately it was only a glancing blow
same with him starting in on breaking down the Earmarks! meme (less than .6% of cash spent – he’s reading the dfh’s !!)
keeping fingers crossed that Obama is treating debates like a 3 act play – and in the final debate – officially about the economy, he will come off the ropes and put that tired ol man down – as Ali did Liston
You’re right about McCain’s increased racist appeals, and that’s another reason we must keep the issue on the table. For the political tacticians among us, about the only way to diminish its impact — especially among certain demographics like suburban white women — is to make sure the overt racism is recognized. Historically, many people who harbor a little prejudice of their own don’t like it spoken in the faces. They rebel against it. It is, thankfully, too much for their consciences.
Cantor is a “special” representative…
I was so proud that the first debate was at Ole Miss.
I graduated from there and it’s a lovely place. If any of you saw the NYT story there was a picture of a building with pillars that is very famous. It’s called the Lyceum – it was a field hospital during the Civil War and Sherman rode his horse through the large doors.
The night the demonstrators tried to keep James Meridith out I stood in my house and sobbed and swore but he got in anyway and Ole Miss has never looked back.
I have to say, here in Maine we have a 4% black population and on Caucus Day back in February, it was mainly white Mainers (mostly female) who came out to vote for Barack Obama (who won it 60-40 over Hillary). That said…
…just a few weeks ago I was having a conversation with an extremely wealthy woman in her 70’s who is from Nantucket Island and has built a huge home on our coast. She’s a multi-millionaire. We’re talking big white money. (This woman wanted to hire me to be her personal assistant 3 days a week, but I declined. I met her through another customer of mine.) Anyways…we were talking about the upcoming election and she said to me that Sarah Palin is a horrid woman and should not be on McCain’s ticket. I said to her, “Does that mean you’re voting for Barack Obama?”, and she said, “No, and I’ll tell you why. I don’t trust that wife of his. She’s too ambitious.”. I looked at her blankly trying to figure out what she meant and then she said to me, “Alright, I’ll be honest with you. I can’t vote for a black man. I am not ready for it.”.
What the hell! I was truly taken aback that she is a racist woman, but then again, she has extreme wealth and I’m sure she has employed black Americans for years now. Why the hell would she want that kind of person in charge of the country?
Good gawd. Racism makes me sick to my stomach. I can’t stand the attitude by those who need to walk a day in the life of someone whose skin is darker than their own!
I think, if the pundits will stay out of the way, that the reaction of your friends may be widespread among voters.
I think we have reached the point where most people ignore whatever the GOP or the MSM says about politics. The breaking point has been reached their Cred left when the money left.
I think even the press has been hard on the Paulson deal because they reported everything was fine with the economy and then they heard about the deal and looked at their own stocks.
Regular America has done the same. Razzle Dazzle Lies don’t work if the Mark has his hands on his wallet.
Just watched the Fey-as-Palin video from last night over at HuPo. Gawd she nailed it again. The Repugs gotta cring when they see that.
Interesting
Racist old bag lives near the ocean. Sounds like an Oyster Cracker to me.
-G
LOL Oyster Cracker is right!
I’d like to shuck her to the seagulls, GregB. ;-)
Cantor dogwhistling now.
Maureen Dowd today is another example of this double standard, this “why won’t Obama use his muscle and not his intelligence.” It is really disgusting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09…..wd.html?hp
You are not wrong well they think they will make mega bucks but the World Wide economy is shaky thanks to America and we are not saving them so if their banks fail our banks can still tank.
Remember Bush approved this bailout and his batting record sucks, just what has he accomplished in office besides stealing 2 elections?
OT – McCain is choking on ABC w/ Stephanopolos. George is holding up clips from the debate and Palin, McCain is giving serious nonsense responses.
How many Shadow Stock Markets have been in play for the past 8 years under the Bush Regime?
Good idea the we must expose the GOP’s hidden racist memes as soon a they pop up.
As expected. John McCain couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag even if we started a hole for him. He’s a doofus.
Yes, Buffett may make billions. He also makes sense…his meta philosophy is if I can’t understand it, I don’t invest in it.
This whole financial mess now is the greedy overleveraging/overvaluing assets or guesses on assets or pullin’ assets outa their asses and we need people who recognize that you need cops on the beat, which I believe Buffett does.
Here in the heartland, our banks are for the most part in good shape because they’ve followed historical standards of banking…not the smoke and mirrors stuff of Wall Street and the corruptocracy.
There is this distinguished Gentleman whose firm has volunteered to write the insurance. I would like you to meet Mr. Ponzi
Iconic Afghan police woman shot dead by Taliban.
-G
Come on now. . . he didn’t even have a paper bag for all those years at the Hanoi Hilton.
Liston
Not OT go ahead tell us more defeating McCain is Not OT
Watch a bit of the corporate airheads this a.m.. Stephanopolis, Schieffer, Brokaw are the furthest thing from legitimate representatives of the 4th Estate. Nothing more than rich, pampered and priviledged representatives of the corporations and the status quo. When the craven sycophantic antics of these bobbleheads are exposed for all to see will be the day that the U.S. is finally moving in the right direction.
We need KO or Rachel to work weekends
McNutjob was seriously bent that he had to share the stage with Obama. Barack showed him up in every way, shape, form, and fashion. Racist white dood was pissed.
Sure! Why not 24/7? Why should they get time off. They need to continuously feed our ravenous appetite! /s
and Bill Moyers to moderate a debate.
It was a sea change in U.S. political media when reporters climbed out of their rumpled old suits and dive bars and joined the wealthy elite. At that moment, their personal financial interests were tied tightly to the fortunes of those they covered, and their interest waned in the people below them on the ladder. It’s a personal shortcoming of all of them, but it’s a systemic problem. They are now and will always be loyal to their class.
Maybe they could have guest hosts Bill Moyers, Jane, Christy, etc come to mind.
What do you think of this new story that McC has ties to gambling? Don’t imagine the fundies will like that at all. Don’t know how many more bad stories can come out about him but it really getting interesting now.
Stephanopolis, Schieffer, Brokaw are the furthest thing from legitimate representatives of the 4th Estate.
yeah, they’ve just been *all over* the NYT’s story of McCrook’s gaming and tribal shakedown story….
I think I owe you a beverage.
good description of my congress today too – except probably less rich.
And that he used the investigation of Abramoff as payback.
Oh that’s right. I forgot. Spit.
At this hour I’ll take OJ, please. A large one. Thanks. “g”
i don’t think #3 is true. or maybe i don’t understand what you mean by it.
Nate Silver’s mathematical model at fivethirtyeight.com give Obama a 78.5% likelihood of winning the election in November. That’s up by four points from before the debate, but I’m not sure it is on account of the debate. His model doesn’t put all that much weight on the most recent polls.
I think it’s first consequence is to keep McCain way on the defensive. A terrible way for him to start the week following his disastrous “week that was.” I also think there’s a lot of gold to mine in that story. Besides shattering his image (as if his lobbyist-filled campaign isn’t enough to do it) as an independent lobby-hating maverick, it gets into the bushes on some real, real bad things and bad people. There’s more to do on the story.
wow – side-shots of Gingrich on George Stephy’s roundtable make Newt look like Jabba the Hut….
If he gets any bigger, he’ll have his own zip code.
Basically what Wall Street did:
They had a hot dog stand. They sold their original stash, but when people came up to buy some more they were told they could have them. The buyer looked over the shoulder of the hot dog stand owner and said, “But there are no hot dogs left”, and the HDO said, “Oh yes there is. See? *pointing to an imaginary pile*”. The buyer said, “Uh okay”, and the HDO said, “You can have your hot dogs and I’ll let you do it at a flexible rate. And remember, the hot dogs are there”.
And so, the buyer bought the hot dogs where there wasn’t any hot dogs and found he/she couldn’t afford these hot dogs, even though the HDO had accounting books showing tons of hot dogs. In the end, the buyer got stuck with nothing, but the HDO will be paid for the hot dogs that didn’t exist in the first place and will make a fortune. The HDO will buy one or two hot dogs to leave on the table, though, just to make itself feel better. And then will leave the country to live out the rest of it’s life!
In conclusion: whatever is invisible is very, very expensive and will bite you in the ass in the end. Yes! An Ass Biting Hot Dog! Don’t argue with me this morning. I’ve seen these hot dogs before.
/end angry sarcasm
I’m thinking the NYTimes is publishing payback just to screw him with the fundies.
That’s my view as well.
I think there’s a common, knee jerk perception with many around here that wealth and Wall Street is automatically bad, which is nonsense.
What is bad is uncontrolled greed, which is inevitable when companies are allowed to operate in darkness without appropriate regulation.
Buffet seems to be one of the wealthy that gets it right. None of the CEO’s of his corporations are paid exorbitant salaries, and get most of their compensation from his or her company doing well over time.
Believe it or not, he’s even in favor of the Death Tax that 99% of wealthy people oppose with all of their being.
I’m thinking the NYTimes is publishing payback just to screw him with the fundies.
You say that like it’s a bad thing…. *g*
I think so, too. They have really chewed him up the last few days.
I would say in addition, Buffet has put a large amount of his own money in and he’s taking an enormous risk. I think he did it to bolster the market and help restore some confidence. Instead of criticism, I think he should be commended.
Hi Glenn,
Thanks for this important article about the race issue. In general I agree with most everything you’re saying. The only point I’d like to make about the MSM’s treatment of Barack is that they give the Republicans the good press and credibility and slack and not the Democrats, “liberal” press notwithstanding. The press’s behavior is a much bigger problem for the people of our country and the world than only a racial one – overall for our elections coming up and for good governance in general.
crap – the article is behind the firewall now.
But there was a quote in the from Tucker Bounds, to the effect that The Times story was beneath his contempt, and that the country’s Paper of Record was gonna have to try to recapture ‘what little shred of credibility they have left’.
heh. Keep it up, ya stupid little tucker……
Either that or Buffet knows the market will still be unstable after the partial bailout and will end up owning a stake in the company that will soon fail. Not sure, but I’m not trusting anyone who is making over $150,000/year or billions/year at this point. LOL
I don’t disagree. Just focused on one of their bad habits here.
or…McCainiacs knew this stuff was coming out, couldn’t stop it, and so they pre-emptively tried to discredit the messenger.
I know all about his philantropy and his views on taxation. That’s why we tend to trust his word. But, he now has a financial interest in this bailout.
Bad, as in thrilled, delighted, and it’s about f*cking time!
Amen.
Glenn:
Have you personally know any who weren’t bigots? I haven’t met any here in Michigan who weren’t.
I’m watching a cspan rerun split screen of the presidential debate. When asked by stephanopolous this a.m. WHY he didn’t ONCE look at Obama during the debate, McCain claimed he was either writing something down or speaking directly to Jim Lehrer. So here’s the split screen thing on cspan right now, and Mccain just stands there while Obama speaks, staring ahead blindly avoiding ANY glance, ANY, Obama’s way.
My take? I think he maybe can’t bring himself to look at the uppity you know what who’s daring to challenge his sterling record. It’s downright insulting to Obama. Obama makes repreated attempts at eye contact with Mccain. Occasionally when Obama’s speaking, Mccain shades his eyes from the lights and looks out to a spot in the sudience ? for approval from…?
Racist. so blatantly racist. And that actually really surprises me as I felt sure at minimum Mccain would show Obama the respect he would any fellow Senator.
jeez
You will not read truer words today.
This is the root cause of the nonsensical ‘balance’ required in every story you see on TV.
No one wants to take the chance of losing the seven figure job they have lucked into by speaking the truth, except KO.
And no, I’m not overlooking Ms. Maddow, who is doing great work.
I don’t believe she’s there in salary yet, but given her ratings she will be.
I have been wearing my Barak t-shirt the last couple of days. I guess there are not a lot of shirts out there, so it is a conversation starter.
At our community events yesterday (Farmer, flea market and street arts fair) everyone was talking about the debate, everyone. I met a woman and her daughter, both who were not previously involved in campaigns, both walking, phone banking. I think the numbers of random people who are motivated and working for BO are huge. There are door knockers in my hood every day.
I honestly think that a lot of people are motivated because Barak is smart, and they want to support a bi-racial candidate. I think it especially true of younger folks.
I thought I had never seen more people working on a campaign than when Kerry ran, the anti-Bush vote was big. But the BO campaign is seriously bigger and more organized.
Amen, Riesz. We live out in the country in MichMilita turf and yesterday we put up our Obama sign. Surprised that it’s still there this morning. Lots of bigots out here even in this day and age. And the GOP seems to be dog-whistlin’ to that demographic at every turn, imho.
They must have known this was coming. Twice in the last week I heard McCain refer to himself as a ‘gambling man’. Of course, he wasn’t talking about craps, but maybe they were trying to get that word out there first. That doesn’t really make sense, I admit, but I found it odd for McC to refer to himself that way (twice).
not sure what you mean. i’m still able to access the article.
McCain is in it for himself, Kittykitty, and that’s why he doesn’t realize he has an opponent. Plus, he obvious sees Obama as his ’shoe shine boy’ and not as a president.
I agree.
For the most part he is an example of capitalism gone right vs. gone wrong.
I get along with the guys in the shop at work, but when I talk with them about politics it’s always “I’ve worked my ass off to get where I am and I don’t want my taxes going to people who don’t want to work”.
My Veterans for Obama bumper sticker next to my Vietnam Vet plates has gotten me several thumbs up!
I don’t know how to break this to you, but we all have a financial interest in this bailout.
I think McShame is just a rude nasty obnoxious old fart. If you recall the rethug debates he dealt with Romney the same way.
Yes, many. Personally. And I bet you do, too, you just don’t think about them belonging to the demographic they do belong to. My point, though, is not to rehabilitate the group. It’s to urge a focus on the bigots and the bigotry that exists within it. Short-hand and euphemisms hide important truths. It’s not a bad rule to follow that when a euphemism (like “white working class Americans”) gets used we should automatically deconstruct and reject it, look behind it.
I also watched BO on with Schiffer this AM. When asked about Sarah, he refused to give his opinion on her qualifications, (”the American people can decide”) and when pressed, he said she never cites any examples of what she would do different than Bush, supports him 100%.
I am sure she will cite something she does not like in the debate, esp. since Bush 3.0 used all her lines on Friday. Fey did a great job on her last night, people are paying attention.
okay I signed up (didn’t realize that it’s free now)
Here’s the Tucker Bounds quote:
Mr. McCain’s spokesman, Tucker Bounds, would not discuss the senator’s night of gambling at Foxwoods, saying: “Your paper has repeatedly attempted to insinuate impropriety on the part of Senator McCain where none exists — and it reveals that your publication is desperately willing to gamble away what little credibility it still has.”
dumb tucker.
I hope they are including all those whites who are losing their homes, who have lost jobs, and those who never had much to begin with.
i realize that mccain’s only interest in in validating himself, but i would have thought ANY one in the senate would have at least LOOKED at his opponent ONCE during the debate. NOT ONCE. that is astonishing, a clear indication to me not only of racism (and you can see Obama isn’t missing that point) but of a certain level of dementia in Mccain that goes further to explain his wacko statements that i expected.
You voting early? it saves the dems a lot of trouble if we do, according to my daughter.
(Motto: vote early and often)
I’m thinking Palin is gonna walk away from the debate just fine.
The D’s caved on the rules for the Veep debate. No back and forth – no DEBATE, just short questions and canned answers.
feh.
Yeah, Riesz. Got an entire body of relatives with that same mindset. Must be something in the MI air or water.
I left this as a response in EPU land in the last thread and will probably be posting it in EPU land of this one but it still seems kind on topic.
Leveraging means something like this. You sell $10 million in stock. You use this money as the basis to take out a loan so you can buy $100 million in mortgages. Now say you issue mortgage backed securities based on these and sell them. Now you have a $100 million in cash so you go out and buy more mortgages only this time you use your $100 million to buy a billion dollars of them. You have just leveraged your initial $10 million 100 times. This works if you, your banks, and the buyers of your paper are all sufficiently greedy. It is made easier on the upside of a bubble because the value of the underlying asset keeps going up. So even if a few percent of the mortgages default, a) the house’s value is greater than at the start and you can sell it again and b) the overall value of the mortgage package on which all this is based keeps going up as well.
As for derivatives, pertinent to this discussion, we are talking about two types. The first we have already mentioned. These are the mortgage backed securities. They are not the mortgages themselves but a financial instrument (or to use the technical term “thingy”) based upon or derived from them. These can themselves be further sliced and diced into further generations of derivatives. For example, one that is based on 50% of this derivative plus 30% of that one and a final 20% of a third. And so on and so on.
The second kind of derivative is the swap. This was a kind of insurance policy in the event that some mortgages declined in value. This derivative basically said if you pay me a certain fixed amount say every 6 months I will make good on any difference between what you initially paid for your mortgage backed security and what it is worth when you come to see me. When the housing market was going up, this amounted to essentially free money for the issuers of this kind of derivative. They could sell it as extra insurance to conservative institutions secure in the knowledge that the housing market would rise forever. Except of course it didn’t. And when the bubble burst, issuers of these derivatives didn’t face payouts on one or two of them but all of them. Now what is really amazing is that even has things got unsettled in the housing markets the unbridled greed of financial companies caused them to keep issuing these. And here’s the thing about these. Someone who wanted to take out this kind of insurance wasn’t limited to taking it out once but could take it out multiple times and so multiply their gains paradoxically off their losses. And there is yet another thing. The issuer of the swap, the one who would be stuck paying out for losses, could go and buy another derivative which insured it against any losses which it might get hit with. Then the issuer of that derivative could go out and buy one to cover any potential losses it might have and so on and so on. Again amazingly all those things were out there and companies were often both buying and selling them so that they might be the seller of one of these swap derivatives and a generation or two later be the buyer of one all involving the same initial deal.
You may be reeling about now and have decided this is madness. Well, it was. But it was a madness that took place out in the open in plain sight of governments and regulators around the world. And not one of them did jack to stop it.
Oxdown up
Will they no the questions ahead of time?
i dont’ worry about ‘issues’ i might have with Obama any more. I think he’s been quite deft in how he’s handled comments on tricky issues, the schieffer thing about Palin this morning was a prime example. His response demanded that people not only pay CLOSER attention to Palin’s comments and decide for themselves while implying that her comments were so obviously idiotic that he didn’t have to comments on them — smart guy. I’m done dissecting his POVs. He’s clever, and definitely no Clarence Thomas thank dog.
His response today about Palin was gentlemanly and very crafty. refreshing
in my county when you vote early, it’s listed and then the volunteers working the phones have less calls to make to get out the vote for the rest of early voting and on election day itself.
What I can’t figure out is who likes McC? Apparently his fellow Senators dislike him a lot, the fundies will vote for him but really don’t like him, the Republican Party really isn’t doing much for him so does this guy have any friends? I don’t think so but would like your opinions.
exactly, that’s what my kid says, so she’s buggin me to vote as soon as my leetle town gets ballots.
VOTE EARLY
Hi Hugh. Thanks for fielding my question. I’m digesting your much appreciated answer right now.
can’t wait for vp debate thursday.
damn, i didn’t know about the swap derivative insurance. and yes, you are in epu land. please – put it up again near the beginning or mid-thread of the next one. people will want to know about this.
thanks.
Before we collectively move on, I want to add my thanks as well for this excellent post.
The cold hard fact is that racism will be the only reason Obama will not win this election, period, the end.
As John Grisham, a self described Hillary Clinton supporter said before the debate “Obama should have a 15 point lead, but he doesn’t because of his race.”
There are gobs of idiots out there that believe all things rethug are wonderful and that the devil created the democrats to steal all that is precious to them. Rationality is bad and dogma is good.
Hugh, why don’t you make these comments your first “diary” at Oxdown?
New post by Ari inviting participation in Oxdown!
Thanks, and thanks for this engaged, thoughtful FDL community.
I’m surprised that the racial aspect of the debate hasn’t been noted more. I’m not a fan of the boxing metaphor because it reminds me of “rope-a-dope” and that reminds me of the substanceless rhetoric that is characteristic of Barack Obama that I think of as hope-a-dope.
The Republicans have done a great job of nullifying the race and racist aspect of their efforts by crying “race card” whenever the Obama camp points out racist aspects of the Republicans. At this point even bluntly racist terms like “uppity” are considered innocuous by the corporate press and media. But my impression of the debate is that it projected a racist attitude from McCain. Of course it could be considered non-racial. McCain shows that attitude to just about anyone that doesn’t kiss his feet But the reality of that behavior, when face to face with someone of another race, takes on a racial and racist character.
Elsewhere I’ve described Obama’s projected persona as that of Ritchie Cunningham. He has to avoid appearing to be the angry Black man. There can be no fists in the air (or fist bumping). He has to project that he’s one of you, not one of them. With that in mind I see Obama’s quiet composure and lack of counterattack against a demeaning onslaught as similar to Jackie Robinson. They are both “firsts” and face the same hurdles as firsts. As with Robinson, the quiet determination and obvious possession of skills and talent well worthy of the positions that Obama has had and seeks makes McCain’s disparaging attitude seem racist. Never mentioned in the corporate press is that McCain, though a descendant of multiple Navy admirals is also a descendant of a Mississippi slave master. McCain reminded me of Pat Buchanan at the 1992 Republican national convention. The “southern strategy” hate that is the core of Reagan Republicanism comes through, even if only subconsciously.
Americans may be racist but they don’t like to be reminded that they are. McCain did that.
P.S. “Devious” reminded me of an NYTimes piece years ago (won’t even try to find a link) that described a 1920s New York Times article on a basketball game. The play of some of the players, whose ethnic background was new to the game, was also described as “devious.” The players were Jews.
You’re wrong. (You asked someone to tell you). Buffett is about the only person I would listen to in this financial clusterfuck. He’s been warning his shareholders for more than a decade about what might be coming down the track, and had to deal with a bunch of the same toxic waste that was bundled up with General Re when he bought it at the end of the 90s. Buffett is about the most responsible financier out there. If he says it’s bad, it’s bad.
People are saying that retailers like Circuit City are havig to finance their inventories at 20 percent! This is way beyond meltdown territory.
I think that America still has the not inconsiderable legacy of racism, but it has evolved considerably since the days of Jack Johnson. Today we largely express that racism as the “fear of the unknown other”. We might have colleagues and friends of other races, but we still carry the “group stereotypes”, thinking our friends are exceptions to the rule. So we are now at the level of “Huck Finn” at the end of the novel. We can accept and recognize that the minorities we known are fully human, with personas that may be distinct and individualized as anyone in our social group. And even better. But I suspect that Huck went back to Missouri still thinking that most black people, Jim excepted, were pretty much as he thought before. But he did take a step…and it’s a long journey down America’s Mississippi. That’s where many Americans are today. They’re willing to trust people of other races, but only if they have a chance to experience them.
So Obama has had to expose himself in ways that no white candidate would ever have to. The strategy has to be very different than what would be tolerated with a white candidate. Imagine that it was the black candidate acting as McCain did in the last debate (pouting, grimacing, refusing to look at his opponent, attacking aggressively, making false claims) and the White candidate being the cool, collected, intelligent, and personable. Would the pundits have called it a “tie”? Or would they have suggested that the black candidate was “shrill” and lacked Presidential demeanor, and was unprepared or had lost it.
And the Republicans have to keep hammering at things which suggest that Obama is not who he is and to try and take Obama from out of the public eye. That was why they tried to get the debate cancelled after Obama’s numbers went up. Their major hope was playing the Obama is a dangerous “black” militant in cahoots with the big capitalists on Wall Street! Even the absurd meme that Obama isn’t really a US Citizen has reemerged by the Right Wing Blogosphere!
I’m not so sure any more.
If you read the entire NYT article about gambling – and it’s a LOT to wrap your head around – it is damning. But it won’t matter. Just like no one is talking about Keating Five or Cindy’s drug use, or the corrupt lobbyist, or Gov. Palin’s MANY ethical lapses.
We say that we want politicians who are “just like me”. Even though McCain has 7 houses and 13 cars and Palin shoots wolves out of helicopters – somehow they are just like me us.
The campaign to smear Obama as “other” has been ongoing from day 1. Right now 13% of Americans believe he is Muslim. And everyday, Talk Radio and the right wing blogs are saying that he wasn’t born in the U.S., he went to an Islamic fundamentalist school, that he is a product of Affirmative Action – meaning he really didn’t deserve to go to college.
And if all that nasty smear mongering doesn’t work, the Repub ground game is working 24/7 to steal the election – just like in the past.