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	<title>Comments on: Congress Reaches a Bailout Deal: 90% of the Suck You Were Expecting</title>
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		<title>By: naugiedoggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>naugiedoggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Economist has laid out the issues pretty cleanly in this article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&amp;story_id=12306060&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Fate Worst Than Debt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t seen any convincing arguments that simply letting the entire financial sector collapse will, in fact, have little or no deleterious effect on the “Main Street” economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just based on early reports, it appears that the Dems have successfully stood their ground in designing the plan.  In particular, the House Republican “insurance” scam, which has been universally condemned by economists as expensive and unworkable, is appended as an “option” and not as a requirement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;mp&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Economist has laid out the issues pretty cleanly in this article: <a href="http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&amp;story_id=12306060" rel="nofollow">A Fate Worst Than Debt</a></p>
<p>I haven’t seen any convincing arguments that simply letting the entire financial sector collapse will, in fact, have little or no deleterious effect on the “Main Street” economy.</p>
<p>Just based on early reports, it appears that the Dems have successfully stood their ground in designing the plan.  In particular, the House Republican “insurance” scam, which has been universally condemned by economists as expensive and unworkable, is appended as an “option” and not as a requirement.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>mp</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the United States, a federal holiday is a holiday recognized by the United States Government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Non-essential federal government offices are closed.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the entire world waits, because 42 congressmen want a holiday??  And while they bitch about the governments bailout and their concerns for the taxpayer - yet they’re ALL perfectly happy to take their special interest Holiday pay, out of our pockets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My family hasn’t had a holiday for two years.&lt;br /&gt;
What hypocritical liars and con artists we have to lead us..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;selise: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080926/us_time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080926/us_time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
/congressandthefinancialbailoutroundtwo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;greenwarrior: 42&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the United States, a federal holiday is a holiday recognized by the United States Government.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Non-essential federal government offices are closed.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>So the entire world waits, because 42 congressmen want a holiday??  And while they bitch about the governments bailout and their concerns for the taxpayer &#8211; yet they’re ALL perfectly happy to take their special interest Holiday pay, out of our pockets.</p>
<p>My family hasn’t had a holiday for two years.<br />
What hypocritical liars and con artists we have to lead us..</p>
<p>selise: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080926/us_time" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080926/us_time</a><br />
/congressandthefinancialbailoutroundtwo</p>
<p>greenwarrior: 42</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;? they won’t have the votes without the votes of the jewish congresspeople.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>? they won’t have the votes without the votes of the jewish congresspeople.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;linky?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linky?</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’ll post this again when it’s on topic, but for now it probably belongs here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the place to watch for house action on the bill is the house rules committee website. special rules and notices of action are reported here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rules.house.gov/special_rules.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rules.house.gov/special_rules.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rules.house.gov/rules_news.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rules.house.gov/rules_news.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the most recent one was reported out yesterday at 5:55pm:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;H. Res. 1514                               Rules&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Committee granted, by a non-record vote, a rule waiving clause 6(a) of rule XIII (requiring a two-thirds vote to consider a rule on the same day it is reported from the Rules Committee) against certain resolutions reported from the Rules Committee. The rule applies the waiver to any resolution reported by the Rules Committee on the legislative day of September 28, 2008 or September 29, 2008.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amendments submitted by the minority (requiring 6 hours notice and others) were defeated along party line votes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;looks like the house will be trying to vote today or tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’ll post this again when it’s on topic, but for now it probably belongs here.</p>
<p>the place to watch for house action on the bill is the house rules committee website. special rules and notices of action are reported here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rules.house.gov/special_rules.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.rules.house.gov/special_rules.aspx</a><br /><a href="http://www.rules.house.gov/rules_news.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.rules.house.gov/rules_news.aspx</a></p>
<p>the most recent one was reported out yesterday at 5:55pm:</p>
<blockquote><p>H. Res. 1514                               Rules</p>
<p>Waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules</p>
<p>The Committee granted, by a non-record vote, a rule waiving clause 6(a) of rule XIII (requiring a two-thirds vote to consider a rule on the same day it is reported from the Rules Committee) against certain resolutions reported from the Rules Committee. The rule applies the waiver to any resolution reported by the Rules Committee on the legislative day of September 28, 2008 or September 29, 2008.</p>
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<p>amendments submitted by the minority (requiring 6 hours notice and others) were defeated along party line votes.</p>
<p>looks like the house will be trying to vote today or tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What bullsh** is this now. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s just being reported that after non-stop 24/7 negotiations, because the world’s economy is in peril, because banks and businesses are failing every minute -  it will all be postponed because of the Jewish holiday on Tuesday.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you fu**ing kidding me??! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then it obviously wasn’t worth the rush or trouble in the first place!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bullsh** is this now. </p>
<blockquote><p>It’s just being reported that after non-stop 24/7 negotiations, because the world’s economy is in peril, because banks and businesses are failing every minute &#8211;  it will all be postponed because of the Jewish holiday on Tuesday.</p>
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<p>Are you fu**ing kidding me??! </p>
<p>Then it obviously wasn’t worth the rush or trouble in the first place!</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“What portion of the problematic instruments are mortgages and their derivatives? And what portion is based on equity and bonds and their derivatives?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I honestly don’t know and I don’t think anyone else does. If by ‘equity’ you mean cash on hand, that is what is used as the basis for leverage and gets back to “The events of the past year are not a mere accident, but are the results of a conscious and willful SEC decision to allow these firms to legally violate&lt;br /&gt;
existing net capital rules that, in the past 30 years, had limited broker&lt;br /&gt;
dealers debt-to-net capital ratio to 12-to-1.&lt;br /&gt;
Instead, the 2004 exemption — given only to 5 firms — allowed them to&lt;br /&gt;
lever up 30 and even 40 to 1.&lt;br /&gt;
Who were the five that received this special exemption? You won’t be&lt;br /&gt;
surprised to learn that they were Goldman, Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding mortgages, this is how the game is played and why Buffet, Gross of Pimco, etc are saying there is money to be made; go here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.goldseek.com/MillenniumWaveAdvisors/1222020584.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.goldseek.com/Mille.....020584.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BUT the legislation news I have read doesn’t say who or how the Treasury will value such RBMS and associated tranches.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What portion of the problematic instruments are mortgages and their derivatives? And what portion is based on equity and bonds and their derivatives?”</p>
<p>I honestly don’t know and I don’t think anyone else does. If by ‘equity’ you mean cash on hand, that is what is used as the basis for leverage and gets back to “The events of the past year are not a mere accident, but are the results of a conscious and willful SEC decision to allow these firms to legally violate<br />
existing net capital rules that, in the past 30 years, had limited broker<br />
dealers debt-to-net capital ratio to 12-to-1.<br />
Instead, the 2004 exemption — given only to 5 firms — allowed them to<br />
lever up 30 and even 40 to 1.<br />
Who were the five that received this special exemption? You won’t be<br />
surprised to learn that they were Goldman, Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley.”</p>
<p>Regarding mortgages, this is how the game is played and why Buffet, Gross of Pimco, etc are saying there is money to be made; go here:<br /><a href="http://news.goldseek.com/MillenniumWaveAdvisors/1222020584.php" rel="nofollow">http://news.goldseek.com/Mille&#8230;..020584.php</a></p>
<p>BUT the legislation news I have read doesn’t say who or how the Treasury will value such RBMS and associated tranches.</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You got it. Sounds good but…. When Bernanke says ‘it’s wall street lingo that Middle America doesn’t understand’ it’s VERY revealing; Again, it’s ‘father/mother knows best’; the powers that be don’t want the people to be informed and exercise what little power they have. And, seemingly, most of the population don’t want to be aware or exercise what power they do have.&lt;br /&gt;
“A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.”&lt;br /&gt;
–Bertrand de Jouvenal&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got it. Sounds good but…. When Bernanke says ‘it’s wall street lingo that Middle America doesn’t understand’ it’s VERY revealing; Again, it’s ‘father/mother knows best’; the powers that be don’t want the people to be informed and exercise what little power they have. And, seemingly, most of the population don’t want to be aware or exercise what power they do have.<br />
“A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.”<br />
–Bertrand de Jouvenal</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, my question is are credit default swaps or other dubious “assets” besides mortgages also being bought by the Treasury?  If so, this is scary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, my question is are credit default swaps or other dubious “assets” besides mortgages also being bought by the Treasury?  If so, this is scary.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops.  This comment was in reply to ubetchaiam at #192.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.  This comment was in reply to ubetchaiam at #192.</p>
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