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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon Welcomes Markos: Taking On The System</title>
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		<title>By: ekhornbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekhornbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How do you deal with this commenting system?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you deal with this commenting system?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Markos!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/why-is-hank-paulson-still-employed-by-the-usa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Teddy up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Markos!</p>
<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/why-is-hank-paulson-still-employed-by-the-usa/" rel="nofollow">Teddy up</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kos - I think “Gatekeeper” is not the most powerful part of your creation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, you hold a telescope and aim it at: Iran, McCain, Iraq, Palin, etc. and the eye piece is actually an electronic biomass of fiber optic cables - each of which goes to one of millions and millions of homes across America - and the world (I for instance am a Canadian). These millions of “feelers” then immediately respond back through the telescope (your “Gatehouse”) and appear INSTANTLY on your site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Within seconds of launching a query - millions of minds have focused - added FACT, OPINION, ANALYSIS and AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT - a consensus forms. The trolls are quickly eliminated - the position materializes and it is so powerfully supported by the mass-mind of the assembled that the MSM have NO CHOICE but to report those facts, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have one reporter in Alaska YOU have thousands - each bringing a crumb to the table - between their facts, and the combined application of intelligence - voila - we have created a superior - alternative universe of information - infinitely faster, quicker and more progressive than anything that has EVER existed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We now CONTROL the GATE, the flow of millions of bytes of INFORMATION and PREGRESSIVE minds (the BEST minds there are) ANALYISE - the result is a tapestry of mind unseen in any other age.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are all a fiber optic cable apart from being part of the progressive mind that will shape the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kos - thanks bro. Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kos &#8211; I think “Gatekeeper” is not the most powerful part of your creation.</p>
<p>Actually, you hold a telescope and aim it at: Iran, McCain, Iraq, Palin, etc. and the eye piece is actually an electronic biomass of fiber optic cables &#8211; each of which goes to one of millions and millions of homes across America &#8211; and the world (I for instance am a Canadian). These millions of “feelers” then immediately respond back through the telescope (your “Gatehouse”) and appear INSTANTLY on your site.</p>
<p>Within seconds of launching a query &#8211; millions of minds have focused &#8211; added FACT, OPINION, ANALYSIS and AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT &#8211; a consensus forms. The trolls are quickly eliminated &#8211; the position materializes and it is so powerfully supported by the mass-mind of the assembled that the MSM have NO CHOICE but to report those facts, etc.</p>
<p>They have one reporter in Alaska YOU have thousands &#8211; each bringing a crumb to the table &#8211; between their facts, and the combined application of intelligence &#8211; voila &#8211; we have created a superior &#8211; alternative universe of information &#8211; infinitely faster, quicker and more progressive than anything that has EVER existed.</p>
<p>We now CONTROL the GATE, the flow of millions of bytes of INFORMATION and PREGRESSIVE minds (the BEST minds there are) ANALYISE &#8211; the result is a tapestry of mind unseen in any other age.</p>
<p>We are all a fiber optic cable apart from being part of the progressive mind that will shape the future.</p>
<p>Kos &#8211; thanks bro. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoops cut and paste error:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bryanbrickner.blogspot.com/2006/10/300-million-divided-by-30000-equals.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bryanbrickner.blogspot......quals.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops cut and paste error:<br /><a href="http://bryanbrickner.blogspot.com/2006/10/300-million-divided-by-30000-equals.html" rel="nofollow">http://bryanbrickner.blogspot&#8230;&#8230;quals.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t lecture me Markos when it was your site that denigrated ALL those who were pointing out the problems with electronic voting systems.&lt;br /&gt;
AND I have been supporting ‘my cause’ for years now ; And there are better sites than Larry’s that are specific towards the idea of REALLY supporting people getting properly represented such as :&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People have been tiring to gain attention to ‘my cause’ for awhile but I guess you weren’t aware of such.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t lecture me Markos when it was your site that denigrated ALL those who were pointing out the problems with electronic voting systems.<br />
AND I have been supporting ‘my cause’ for years now ; And there are better sites than Larry’s that are specific towards the idea of REALLY supporting people getting properly represented such as :<br /><a href="http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm</a></p>
<p>People have been tiring to gain attention to ‘my cause’ for awhile but I guess you weren’t aware of such.</p>
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		<title>By: percyprune</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-markos-taking-on-the-system/#comment-1653193</link>
		<dc:creator>percyprune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Markos!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaking as a Briton I’m appreciative of the work of progressives such as yourself to fix your broken United States.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Markos!</p>
<p>Speaking as a Briton I’m appreciative of the work of progressives such as yourself to fix your broken United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-markos-taking-on-the-system/#comment-1653192</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;YES. EXACTLY.  While I cannot abide the damage that the Heritage Foundation has done to our democracy, or how it set the pace for other peripheral organizations from its own spin-off (TownHall) to AEI to Cato Institute, it’s very hard to argue with their success and their ability to increase dispersion of their ideas.  We need to look at creating a similar model on this side of the ideological spectrum or run the risk of being crowded out again as they begin to figure out how to co-opt the internet as they did broadcast media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In re: the discussion here about elites and gatekeepers — I think it’s worth looking at this not from right-wing frames, but from more practical perspectives, like Gladwell’s Tipping Point.  If we strip away the frame and who’s who based on economic power and move towards a model based on effectiveness, we need to look at these roles:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;# Innovators&lt;br /&gt;
# Connectors&lt;br /&gt;
# Maven&lt;br /&gt;
# Salespeople&lt;br /&gt;
# Early adopters&lt;br /&gt;
# Early Majority&lt;br /&gt;
# Late Majority&lt;br /&gt;
# Laggards&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These people aren’t necessarily made; sometimes they simply have natural abilities that the rest of us don’t have.  Most of us must form a majority, but without critical mass we can’t make real change happen at a sustained level for any length of time.  We all have a role to play here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So who are the people that are our progressive innovators, connectors, mavens and salespeople?  They often surface on their own, but we need to make a more conscious effort to help them if we’re going to be a more effective majority.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kos is one of those folks who fluctuate between these four roles, depending on the situation (and thanks for that, Kos, since it takes a willingness to do so).  Jane H. is another, but now we need similar folks to reach back and help the late majority and laggards move forward with us, will only happen if we can create a medium that reaches them where they are, or entices them to leave their comfort zones.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hence the need for media training and booking, as well as additional think tanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES. EXACTLY.  While I cannot abide the damage that the Heritage Foundation has done to our democracy, or how it set the pace for other peripheral organizations from its own spin-off (TownHall) to AEI to Cato Institute, it’s very hard to argue with their success and their ability to increase dispersion of their ideas.  We need to look at creating a similar model on this side of the ideological spectrum or run the risk of being crowded out again as they begin to figure out how to co-opt the internet as they did broadcast media.</p>
<p>In re: the discussion here about elites and gatekeepers — I think it’s worth looking at this not from right-wing frames, but from more practical perspectives, like Gladwell’s Tipping Point.  If we strip away the frame and who’s who based on economic power and move towards a model based on effectiveness, we need to look at these roles:</p>
<p># Innovators<br />
# Connectors<br />
# Maven<br />
# Salespeople<br />
# Early adopters<br />
# Early Majority<br />
# Late Majority<br />
# Laggards</p>
<p>These people aren’t necessarily made; sometimes they simply have natural abilities that the rest of us don’t have.  Most of us must form a majority, but without critical mass we can’t make real change happen at a sustained level for any length of time.  We all have a role to play here.</p>
<p>So who are the people that are our progressive innovators, connectors, mavens and salespeople?  They often surface on their own, but we need to make a more conscious effort to help them if we’re going to be a more effective majority.  </p>
<p>Kos is one of those folks who fluctuate between these four roles, depending on the situation (and thanks for that, Kos, since it takes a willingness to do so).  Jane H. is another, but now we need similar folks to reach back and help the late majority and laggards move forward with us, will only happen if we can create a medium that reaches them where they are, or entices them to leave their comfort zones.</p>
<p>Hence the need for media training and booking, as well as additional think tanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-markos-taking-on-the-system/#comment-1653191</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Highly recommended; folks should buy this book.  Support for our progressive authors is an important way to build our progressive infrastructure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this wonderful chat today, Markos, and thanks Al for your great intro and questions.  And to Bev, of course, for all her hard work making Book Salon a success.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highly recommended; folks should buy this book.  Support for our progressive authors is an important way to build our progressive infrastructure.</p>
<p>Thanks for this wonderful chat today, Markos, and thanks Al for your great intro and questions.  And to Bev, of course, for all her hard work making Book Salon a success.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coming late–&lt;br /&gt;
I am just SO pleased to see the link to Saul Alinsky! Gives me yet another reason to want to read the book. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if MarKOS has also read Paolo Freire? (He wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=xfFXFD414ioC&amp;dq=%22Pedagogy+of+the+oppressed,%22+by+Paolo+Freire&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=web&amp;ots=sWNa99o2Yf&amp;sig=dUtVZyJncnxQf8BE0LIfSu1KMnw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPA7,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pedagogy of the Oppressed&lt;/a&gt;.) He is the Saul Alinksy of Latin America, except that Alinksy never served in a government, as Freire did for a few years under a reformer. But Freire also had to deal with governments far more oppressive and fascist than the Bush regime!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As we used to say in the Sixties, “Right arm!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming late–<br />
I am just SO pleased to see the link to Saul Alinsky! Gives me yet another reason to want to read the book. </p>
<p>I wonder if MarKOS has also read Paolo Freire? (He wrote <a href="http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=xfFXFD414ioC&amp;dq=%22Pedagogy+of+the+oppressed,%22+by+Paolo+Freire&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=web&amp;ots=sWNa99o2Yf&amp;sig=dUtVZyJncnxQf8BE0LIfSu1KMnw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPA7,M1" rel="nofollow">Pedagogy of the Oppressed</a>.) He is the Saul Alinksy of Latin America, except that Alinksy never served in a government, as Freire did for a few years under a reformer. But Freire also had to deal with governments far more oppressive and fascist than the Bush regime!</p>
<p>As we used to say in the Sixties, “Right arm!”</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is there anything else you were hoping to say today but perhaps did not get the chance to say it?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks to everyone here right now, and everyone who reads this after the fact. We are moving toward a more progressive America because of our collective efforts. All of us talking to people around us are slowly moving this country toward a better future, and as someone with small children, that’s really important. Understand that it’s not a short-term process, that this will take our entire lifetimes, and that of our subsequent generations. It’s a never-ending battle. So think big, but proceed in bite-sized chunks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, give my book a chance, and if it resonates and you find it valuable, pass it on to other people. Ask that your local libraries carry it. Get the word out. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d also like to thank Al for his early support for the book. It’s been humbling to hear the great things he’s said about it, given his long life as an on-the-ground activist. I like to fantasize about how Saul Alinsky would’ve greeted this book. I hope it would be like Al did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thanks to the awesome FDL crew not just for hosting me today, but for creating this kick-ass space in the netroots. With allies like these guys, how can we fail? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks everyone :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is there anything else you were hoping to say today but perhaps did not get the chance to say it?</p>
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<p>Thanks to everyone here right now, and everyone who reads this after the fact. We are moving toward a more progressive America because of our collective efforts. All of us talking to people around us are slowly moving this country toward a better future, and as someone with small children, that’s really important. Understand that it’s not a short-term process, that this will take our entire lifetimes, and that of our subsequent generations. It’s a never-ending battle. So think big, but proceed in bite-sized chunks.</p>
<p>Also, give my book a chance, and if it resonates and you find it valuable, pass it on to other people. Ask that your local libraries carry it. Get the word out. </p>
<p>I’d also like to thank Al for his early support for the book. It’s been humbling to hear the great things he’s said about it, given his long life as an on-the-ground activist. I like to fantasize about how Saul Alinsky would’ve greeted this book. I hope it would be like Al did.</p>
<p>And thanks to the awesome FDL crew not just for hosting me today, but for creating this kick-ass space in the netroots. With allies like these guys, how can we fail? </p>
<p>Thanks everyone :)</p>
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