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		<title>By: joelmael</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1653254</link>
		<dc:creator>joelmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John McCoin doesn’t understand and that’s something you can believe in!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCoin doesn’t understand and that’s something you can believe in!</p>
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		<title>By: LetterMan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1653177</link>
		<dc:creator>LetterMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I went to a debate party at &lt;a href=&quot;http://theblueloon.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this venue&lt;/a&gt; yesterday.  It’s about a half-mile or so from my cabin, as the crow meanders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were debate parties at that location four years ago, but none of them were as well-attended as the one last night.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The place was full (I finally got my food order about an hour after the debate was over) and the crowd was a totally Democratic crowd all the way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama looked and sounded presidential.  McCain looked and sounded like a tired, worn-out old man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just for fun, here is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861F6zfHv5w&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;musical “tribute”&lt;/a&gt; to Sarah Palin which landed in my email box this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a debate party at <a href="http://theblueloon.com/" rel="nofollow">this venue</a> yesterday.  It’s about a half-mile or so from my cabin, as the crow meanders.</p>
<p>There were debate parties at that location four years ago, but none of them were as well-attended as the one last night.</p>
<p>The place was full (I finally got my food order about an hour after the debate was over) and the crowd was a totally Democratic crowd all the way.</p>
<p>Obama looked and sounded presidential.  McCain looked and sounded like a tired, worn-out old man.</p>
<p>Just for fun, here is a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861F6zfHv5w" rel="nofollow">musical “tribute”</a> to Sarah Palin which landed in my email box this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1653169</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PW  Here are some poll results that confirm what you are suggesting. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A CNN-Opinion Research Corp poll using telephone interviews with 524 adults who watched the debate and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who “won” the debate 51% Obama 38% McCain. @60% said both did “better than expected”. 7/10 said each seemed capable of being president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Obama was widely considered more intelligent, likable and in touch with peoples’ problems, and by modest margins was seen as the stronger leader and more sincere.” The majority said McCain spent most of the time attacking his opponent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A CBS-Knowledge Networks survey involved online interviews with 483 selected “Uncommitted voters” who saw the debate. CE +/-4 points. From this group of “Uncommitteds” 39% said Obama won the debate, 24% said McCain. 37% called it a tie. Most critically, 2 out of 3 felt Obama understands their needs than McCain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only good news for McCain is mixed- that 68% said he is prepared to be president, but this was unchanged from the same percentage as before the debate. 60% now said they felt Obama is ready — and while a lower score than McCain, it’s a strong 16% improvement from what the same sample of uncommitteds responded before the debate (44%). Far more said their image of Obama had improved as a result of the debate than said it had worsened. McCain’s image had gotten better rather than worse, but by a modest margin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of this suggests that in what appears to be a very close race Obama eliminated a great deal of the issues that have allowed McCain to stay close. Given that the second poll were “undecideds” it could portend an even greater climb in results for Obama over the next weeks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW  Here are some poll results that confirm what you are suggesting. </p>
<p>WASHINGTON &#8211; </p>
<p>A CNN-Opinion Research Corp poll using telephone interviews with 524 adults who watched the debate and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. </p>
<p>Who “won” the debate 51% Obama 38% McCain. @60% said both did “better than expected”. 7/10 said each seemed capable of being president.</p>
<p>“Obama was widely considered more intelligent, likable and in touch with peoples’ problems, and by modest margins was seen as the stronger leader and more sincere.” The majority said McCain spent most of the time attacking his opponent.</p>
<p>A CBS-Knowledge Networks survey involved online interviews with 483 selected “Uncommitted voters” who saw the debate. CE +/-4 points. From this group of “Uncommitteds” 39% said Obama won the debate, 24% said McCain. 37% called it a tie. Most critically, 2 out of 3 felt Obama understands their needs than McCain.</p>
<p>The only good news for McCain is mixed- that 68% said he is prepared to be president, but this was unchanged from the same percentage as before the debate. 60% now said they felt Obama is ready — and while a lower score than McCain, it’s a strong 16% improvement from what the same sample of uncommitteds responded before the debate (44%). Far more said their image of Obama had improved as a result of the debate than said it had worsened. McCain’s image had gotten better rather than worse, but by a modest margin.</p>
<p>All of this suggests that in what appears to be a very close race Obama eliminated a great deal of the issues that have allowed McCain to stay close. Given that the second poll were “undecideds” it could portend an even greater climb in results for Obama over the next weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marnie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1653165</link>
		<dc:creator>Marnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seniors, I am one now, should remember that in 2000 while Florida was cheating Duhyba into the WH.  The Repugs put the governor, I think of Idaho, on national TV.  He said “The idea of a 70 year old walking up to a voting booth scares the hell out of me.”&lt;br /&gt;
I saw that clip twice that day and it completely disappeared from the TV news and was never commented on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition, now that I am senior, my life savings have been lost, twice to Reaganomics.  I won’t loose directly this time around for the simple reason that I will not live long enough to reearn and reinvest the amounts that were taken by Kenny Boy Delay, John McCain, Duhyba and his brothers,  and all the other happy “Shockingly Aweful” Repugs that have run this great nation into the status of a third world debetor nation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seniors, I am one now, should remember that in 2000 while Florida was cheating Duhyba into the WH.  The Repugs put the governor, I think of Idaho, on national TV.  He said “The idea of a 70 year old walking up to a voting booth scares the hell out of me.”<br />
I saw that clip twice that day and it completely disappeared from the TV news and was never commented on.</p>
<p>In addition, now that I am senior, my life savings have been lost, twice to Reaganomics.  I won’t loose directly this time around for the simple reason that I will not live long enough to reearn and reinvest the amounts that were taken by Kenny Boy Delay, John McCain, Duhyba and his brothers,  and all the other happy “Shockingly Aweful” Repugs that have run this great nation into the status of a third world debetor nation.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1652962</link>
		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here from EPU Land, I have to say that while I agree that I wanted a more clear and definite statement from BO, eg, how trickle-down differs from bottom-upwards views of how an economy works, and I hate his ‘well if we can’t beat them over there, we need to fight them in some other Over There’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But this was a debate in the South.  Apparently McCain’s handlers were informed by their friends in the area that not showing for the debate would be considered bad manners.  And that in the South, ‘manners matter.  (heard it on Chicken Noodle).  In any case, looking at it from my oh-so-delicately poised undecided rellies’ POV, so glad it didn’t come down to a Jerry Springer brawl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here from EPU Land, I have to say that while I agree that I wanted a more clear and definite statement from BO, eg, how trickle-down differs from bottom-upwards views of how an economy works, and I hate his ‘well if we can’t beat them over there, we need to fight them in some other Over There’.</p>
<p>But this was a debate in the South.  Apparently McCain’s handlers were informed by their friends in the area that not showing for the debate would be considered bad manners.  And that in the South, ‘manners matter.  (heard it on Chicken Noodle).  In any case, looking at it from my oh-so-delicately poised undecided rellies’ POV, so glad it didn’t come down to a Jerry Springer brawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Albatross</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1652938</link>
		<dc:creator>Albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think for a lot of us frustrated progressives, we projected our own desires onto Obama. We wanted to see him attack McCain over the braindead policies of the last eight years which McCain has vowed to continue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we’re already going to vote for Obama.  What he needs to do to win is convince the undecideds to vote for him rather than Grampy.  And he won’t do that being fearsome or aggressive, he’ll do that by being controlled and presidential.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for a lot of us frustrated progressives, we projected our own desires onto Obama. We wanted to see him attack McCain over the braindead policies of the last eight years which McCain has vowed to continue.</p>
<p>But we’re already going to vote for Obama.  What he needs to do to win is convince the undecideds to vote for him rather than Grampy.  And he won’t do that being fearsome or aggressive, he’ll do that by being controlled and presidential.</p>
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		<title>By: sangemon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1652936</link>
		<dc:creator>sangemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please tell us that you are in a safe State!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell us that you are in a safe State!</p>
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		<title>By: joelmael</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1652922</link>
		<dc:creator>joelmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would like to see Obama mention early in the next debate that there is a rising movement called ‘fact checking’ and then go on to correct McCoin’s bullshit from this debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do it in a polite manner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That will put McCoin on notice and may force him to second guess his own lies on the spot.  That may upset him enough to blow himself up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see Obama mention early in the next debate that there is a rising movement called ‘fact checking’ and then go on to correct McCoin’s bullshit from this debate.</p>
<p>Do it in a polite manner.</p>
<p>That will put McCoin on notice and may force him to second guess his own lies on the spot.  That may upset him enough to blow himself up.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/27/come-saturday-morning-the-view-from-here/#comment-1652878</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not possible. You have set the bar so high there is no way he could win your vote. You have already said you probably won’t vote for him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i was planning to vote for him until he broke his promise re fisa telco immunity and then lied to us about it. my vote has been his to win back since then. last weekend, when obama was reported to have given paulson’s plan to rob the taxpayers some pushback - i &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/21/obama-draws-a-line-in-the-sand-no-paulson-deal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;applauded&lt;/a&gt; him. i see now that his push back was nothing more than kabuki.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if showing &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; leadership and wisdom in addressing one of the critical issues that confront us is too much to ask, then i guess you are right - i’ve set the bar too high.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not possible. You have set the bar so high there is no way he could win your vote. You have already said you probably won’t vote for him.</p>
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<p>i was planning to vote for him until he broke his promise re fisa telco immunity and then lied to us about it. my vote has been his to win back since then. last weekend, when obama was reported to have given paulson’s plan to rob the taxpayers some pushback &#8211; i <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/21/obama-draws-a-line-in-the-sand-no-paulson-deal/" rel="nofollow">applauded</a> him. i see now that his push back was nothing more than kabuki.</p>
<p>if showing <em>some</em> leadership and wisdom in addressing one of the critical issues that confront us is too much to ask, then i guess you are right &#8211; i’ve set the bar too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Morning, PW.  I love the shots of Michelle and Barack at the end of the night, on your UPDATE link.  She will be the classiest first lady in a long, long time and yet another reason to vote for Obama.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just got my pollworker assignment for Nov. 4.  Working with the same crew as the last 5 years, we expect a &lt;em&gt;huge&lt;/em&gt; turnout in our red-to-blue neighborhood.  In 2004, we had a lot people in line at 8pm; they didn’t finish voting until almost 9pm and Bush carried by a small percent.  This year will be &lt;strike&gt;worse&lt;/strike&gt; better, I predict.  We may not finish the voting until 10!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning, PW.  I love the shots of Michelle and Barack at the end of the night, on your UPDATE link.  She will be the classiest first lady in a long, long time and yet another reason to vote for Obama.  </p>
<p>I just got my pollworker assignment for Nov. 4.  Working with the same crew as the last 5 years, we expect a <em>huge</em> turnout in our red-to-blue neighborhood.  In 2004, we had a lot people in line at 8pm; they didn’t finish voting until almost 9pm and Bush carried by a small percent.  This year will be <strike>worse</strike> better, I predict.  We may not finish the voting until 10!</p>
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