ES!

YEs, we can! Watching Rachel Maddow now, post debate.

I know darn well we can work it out.

hey pups

hey wobblybits. i am so far past my bedtime, i’m delirious…

EPU’d:

“My friends, I am too old, too stubborn, and just too doggoned mean to be elected president of the United States. Senator Obama obviously doesn’t understand those facts.”

John McCain

Eureka!

((( ES )))

Yes We Can Will !

LOL! Thanks for pulling that up to this thread.

I moved to Yes we will……

hey wobbs – long time no see. *g*

Oh, I like this video very much! Perfect!

Think I’m going to barf…. Trent Franks…. what a Rufus…. on Rachel Maddow

Hey – did you all notice that McCain admitted that we had been torturing people?

yep
“Never again…”

Breaking News: John McCain has never been voted Miss Congeniality, but he has been voted Mr. Prickly Dickhead.

-G

Eureka Springs already Dugg himself, so I’m not going to post my Digg…

Yeah while he lied about opposing it.

Well Joy, glad you hung in this long.

I wanted to try digging this YouTube in politics instead of our normal music digg. Thanks for watching neuro.. It’s not such a big deal this time of night but I know all the BIG DOGS really appreciate the digging.

Think I’m going to barf…. Trent Franks…. what a Rufus…. on Rachel Maddow

heh – all those contortions broke his feed….

Evening ES and all you good pups!! How goes it? nES since when have you begun to DIGG you own Posts?? Being the poster sure gives you a leg up on the rest of us peon pups(:>))
But I did DuGG your Digg ES

Bwah!

jay!!!!! where have you been? nothing involving popcorn and feet, I hope?

Watching a replay of the stage, and their handshake… I detect a mild rise, a bulge under McCain’s area. The bright red carpet hides it, but I think I see it…

Perfect title for him. Senator, I dub thee Mr. Prickly Dickhead, now and in perpetuity.

ES Thanks for this great music!

*burp*

not any more….

He is 5′7 or 5′8 and O is 6′1. big difference in height and would look likt O is towering over him

I really like this surrogate speaking for Obama on Rachel’s ….. doing a great job and really knows how to frame issues….

McCain is standing on a metaphorical pile of cadavers. Gives him a boost.

-G

nice *g*

hey…. what are the real chances that they dump palin before the veep debate?

McCain is only 5′6″, yes, so it is a mystery to me how they created the effect.

Just a quick drive by folks.

love the pointer sisters!!! I had a couple of their albums.

I think Obama was a little thrown that McCain could stand there and lie lie lie right with him standing right there. I think he recovered a little. He has to be less polite and talk right into those lies and say “stop it, John!” or “there you go again, old man”

I don’t believe it will happen. She is so not prepared

funny thing about McCain on earmarks….. Alaska gets the most money…. Arizona gets the least…..

My question is that as taxpayers shouldn’t I expect my fair share of federal tax dollars back to my state?

5′6? hmm I think I was 5′6 at 14 years old

I watched part of a replay on cspan.. without reading along on the blog. Split screen sure made McCain look taller than Obama. McCains camera was in so tight his head didn’t fit in the screen.

And I must say at the part I watched.. Obama was much better than the first viewing on current tv, imo.

Mr. Prickly Dickhead and his running mate, Mrs. Laughing Stock.

-G

Late to the call. Pointer Sisters!

Ahhhhh. That clever ol’ crypt-keeper.

I would say slim to none.

I hear his wife is teh haht.

Yes We Can Will DID!

Not to get too far ahead or anything, but the shift in polling this week was remarkable, and we haven’t even seen the full effects of McInsane’s and Flailin’s bizarreness this week (3 day averages). Feeling pretty good about the Prez race.

As Obama pulls more ahead, I hope Blue America candidates can get some more lovin now.

Stop! You’re killing me!

it’s hard to be late to late late. /s

I love the Sisters.

I’m still 5′2″ so I’ll give McDickFaceOldMeanie a pass on the shortness.

I was shocked by his admission of a policy of torture,as well. None of the talking heads pointed out that United States senator acknowledged, with his foreign policy expertise, that our government is in the torture business.
So is it just such a given these days?
Can you imagine any other debate where a 26 year veteran of politics says we torture people and it’s completely taken as a given!!!!!!!

G, what’s this about lashing Luntz? Is there vid/audio anywhere?

I don’t know how McCain expects to look into Putin’s eyes when he can’t even look at Obama. He’s so friggin belligerent.

LOL sorry I wasn’t picking on you ‘horizontally challenged’ people LMAO

I want to see Sarah in the full flower of her insanity.

No one said we should shut down/double Gitmo. Hmm.

I wasn’t going to be happy unless Grampa got Obama in a chokehold on the stage. You know he wanted to.

Glad Obama did well, and am very relieved that from polls so far, independents favor Obama on all points. The talking heads I saw crtiicized Obama for being too prepared, with too many bullet points. I wish Obama had used them more often. I think people have been sobered up enough over last week to give reasonable weight to substance.

I missed a few parts. Thought Obama’s response to the McCain surge nonsense was weak. McCain could have be devastated with a set of obviouis, historicall checkable bullet points, with plenty of time to gut the Cheney/Bush/McCain idiocy on the war in general.

… and Biden will push her over the edge, I can’t wait …

She’s quite the pistil though…

I don’t understand how it could be close on foreign policy. McCain’s lines might as well have been pre-recorded. Should have been like shooting fish in a barrel.

Have to say Obama is not the strongest debator. But he is improving fast. Let’s hope Obama breaks out to a new level for next ones. It could happen.

McCain reciting a recording of himself will not wear well.

I hope Obama can break out the pointed stick and just – poke, poke, poke till he sets Cranky McPTSD off…

Here is another little earmark factoid. ALL the states who are ‘takers’ that is they get more money back from the feds then they put in are red states. And of course, the blue states are all the ones footing the bill.

That explains why he ‘appeared’ as tall as Obama tonight.

Not.

McCain’s people have got to be terrified about next week… either or their experimenting with advanced robotics technology :p

I’m challenging myself to stay VERTICAL! I’m pooped, but now Rachel is on. Jon Soltz! Votevets.org!!! Oh boy! He’s cool. I’m pooped.

I really must go to bed.

Yeah, there was a moment, sorry I forget exactly when, when grampy looked quite cranky and he gets that grimace on his face which he thinks passes for a smile and his eyes go a little Jack Nicholson as in The Shining. Heeere’s Johnny!

That grimace is just gas.

I went to an Obama debate watching party in my neighborhood. It was a a blast. I highly recommend finding one and going. Made a few contacts for interesting campaign work for October.

Oh what’s Jon Soltz saying? Is Rachel on TV or the radio? I just turned on MSNBC to see if she’s there.

When I watched it a second time.. I really kept the point.. it’s not me.. the somewhat well read voter they are working for tonight. It really makes a huge difference in how I interpret a lot of what happened and why.

As frustrated as I am with Dems for what they don’t talk about… there is a flip side.. and that is if Obama tried to go there (the truth) he would sound bat shit insane to most folks. And there is no way a black man can get away with being to angry.. no way. WHich of course I would love to hear some anger.

Maybe I will sit with the Drinking Liberally group at next Thursdays VP debate party…. and take a taxi home…..

Soltz is pointing out what a cheapskate mccain is to vets.

Armadillo, late Seventies. Wish you coulda been there…

Oh! I thought it was from David Letterman burnin’ his biscuits!

TV!

i can can-can!

Huge broadside on McCheese’s voting record wrt vets.
Says if Obama won’t go after him, VoteVets will.

I thought Obama should have pulverized McCain on that. He needs to go way more on the attack. Jeez.

I’m still 5′2″ so I’ll give McDickFaceOldMeanie a pass on the shortness.

Hey, in eight years, McCrazy will probably end up at 5′2″ too…..

You and me, both Joy!

The American people desperately need to see what he’s like when he loses it.

That’s why I say Arizona must be a Blue state…… that proves it…..we are trying…. if we could get rid of Kyl and McCain……. McCain is up in 2010 and Gov Janet will be termed limited as Gov …… woohoo….

boa noite. pleasant dreams

I have to go see that video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59S8CMXXvWI

Yeah, I watched with my 81-year-old mother. We just looked at each other and she said did he just say that we torture people. I said Yes. Isn’t this lovely.

And then McCranky went back to lying again.

It is absolutely unbelievable to both of us that it actually IS so much common knowledge at this point that when an ‘official’ says it and no one notices we should all be jumping up and down screaming about it. But it’s like, oh well. Go on to the next talking point.

I just knew you could…)

I think McCain damaged himself by being condescending and trying to pull bogus ‘expertise cred’ several times when any fool could see he was blowing smoke.

So, the military component of the surge was strategy, not tactics. Really?
Anyone who can remember how it was sold by the administration should know that line is nonsense.

But I guess McCain was aiming for credulous people who do not know much, and will jump at the chance to commit the fallacy of argument by authority (the media pundits, perhaps?).

cool. Katy said the same thing. I want to go to one for the VP debates (hmmm that is if it even happens)

OK dude, kick up your skirts and show us your legs!

boa noite! (my sweetie is portugese, so I’m liking the good night!)

Then I can headbutt him.

Don’t have a Cow, man ! *g*

Michelle brother is 6′ 5″ and will be steady on Barack ass if he does not win the white house, May change the name to Presidents house.

Can we get a stAMEN?!!!

sou brasileira (i’m brasilian)

Then I can headbutt him.

aim for the lower head….

BookTV had Christopher Buckley on for an interview and he made a suggestion for a cabinet post who always gets input on any issue …… called the Secretary of History….. and when some dufus suggests invading Iraq…. then the Sec of History would say….. well when the Brits did it it didn’t go so well…..

and Jon Stewart helped Letterman with McCain’s whole itinerary for that day that he “suspended” his campaign by blowing off Letterman, to go to Katie Couric’s, have dinner, spend the night, speak at the climate thing, have another meal, etc. Only to land in DC and hear that a deal is close.

I wanted Barack to point out that John has voted 19 times for increasing Veterans benefits and on his Vietnam crap that it was John blocked any further investigations into the still missing MIA’s! John McCain’s hearing

Such a pistil you are.

Check your local DFA or Drinking Liberally group, your local Democratic party might also be doing it….. it sure was fun….. the boos, hssssss and cheers was so much fun …….

Never put off till tomorrow…

Yes, like the whopper about blowing up the deal between the US government and Boeing. Gee, he’s good at that blowing up deals thing.

Yes, I agree with you. I think that came out with the Russia Georgia thing. The facts are the facts, and eventually even the corporate media has had to run some stories about the role Georgia played in starting the war. But, it seems the Obama camp has decided not to go there. Russia must be the total bad guy for the duration of he campaign. So Obama played up the neocon lite angle. It is very lucky Obama got to go first on that question.

But it is depressing that they did not have a truthful exchange, since that would have been devasating to McCain. Of course, there would be problem of the corporate media filter which might distort or plain lie about history, if it suits their purpose.

Heard a rumor tonight that Jon Stewart could be the planned for replacement for David Letterman in 2010, when both of their contracts are up. Fantastic pick if true. Certainly way better than Conan replacing Leno.

Anyone else hear this?

I know!!! I told my hubby that I am not a POW mom but if I was I’d be breaking the TV and all the plates in the house! My blood was boiling anyway. Gah. But how many people know that? Every day is a new weird move to process and with that much crazy, it’s a little hard to keep a bead on ol’ McCain.

No, and hoping it’s wrong.
The severest enemy to the funny: Network executives.

Yeah, the Nation has a really great article on that this week too.

There have always been a lot of rumors around about McCain and his time in the Hanoi Hilton. The more I learn about him and the more I see him the more I am inclined to believe them all. He is such a lying piece of crap – and you don’t just turn into a lying piece of crap overnight. It’s a ’skill’ perfected over many many years. When in doubt – lie. When you should keep your mouth shut – lie. When you would be much better off telling the truth – lie anyway.

Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1rZBmk0DYU

McCain seems to mumble “horseshit” when Obama mentioned McCain being unsure if he would meet with the political leader of Spain.

McDickhead is 10 feet tall in Bush inches.

-G

anybody watch on CNN? It was weird. I caught a little of the replay with the graph of the audience response. The red line was gop, blue was dems, and white independents. Most of the lines were up in the favorable section when Obama spoke and only the red line up when McCain spoke.

Our Flatliner candidate John “I was at the Alamo” McCain.

Hey you!
How goes it with the new book?

Let me put this bug in someones ear that it should be the subject of a FDL book Salon…..

As fer the debate, I saved myself the trouble and went straight to the nearest source of liquid unconsciousness.

McCain is a nightmare come alive and I would just as soon sleep without one.

yeah if the media just listed the number of lies… you know do a little organized fact checking.

McCain would be out of luck by monday.. which would be horrible for network ad revenue, wouldn’t it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1rZBmk0DYU

Elmore is having an ongoing discussion about this very issue with his oldest son….. why can’t candidate X say it plainly and go there….. and I bring up the issue of Howard Dean the night before the scream speech saying that Dean would break up the media consolidation….. next day that very media trashed Dean 24/7……

There are subjects that cannot be said…… because some group would take them down….

what is on mccain’s ipod?

Well, too darn bad. McCain had his campaign say that Spain was not good enough to be an A-list ally anymore. It was more than fair game.

I do not understand how people still cannot see through these cynical posturing thugs. What is going on in their heads?

No one played the religion card at this debate. How refreshing keep government and religion separate and private!

They got one already – when McSlime said Eisenhower wrote a letter of resignation – someone went and found the letters and he did NOT say anything about resigning.

If you put lipstick on a Neocon is it still a pig?

The more I think about lokywoky’s comment on torture, the more obsessed I become with our calcified reaction to his overt acknowledgement.
Fuck! This is actually huge. It’s the first admission that we torture. Add that to Condi Rice’s admission of attending meetings on torture.
Hello, Geneva Convention. Hello, war crimes tribunals.
Fuck, I need a new internet name, openhope is SO 2002!!!

John has made a career out of lying. He refuses to allow his military records opened. He doesn’t want us to know how he was able keep flying after crashing four jets and how he sang like a bird while at the Hanoi Hilton. He also poisoned several bills that required under penalty of jail if any investigators did find any evidence on the MIA’s. He has always treated other Veterans like shit!

Oh hahaha! I forgot Obama slipped that in so smoothly and I laughed when he said it. I think some of this stuff lands pretty ####### the people paying attention. But for folks trying to scrape up next week’s groceries, they can only go by what they hear on the telly. Not a criticism, the candidates know this.

I will do that

hi everybody – don’t forget the Onion!

I bumped into him in Mancheseter during the primary and called him a monster who’s sole purpose was to make money and destroy the language and push fascist concepts…….

He mumbled something about quitting politics and moving to Israel…

-G

Good catch.. he said it twice.

Best one-liner of the night: Joe Biden on KO: “I’ve been to a lot of places too, but just being there doesn’t make me right.”

Thank God….

sharkbabe! how ya doing? been a while

Yes Obama will be the president if the election is not rigged. Credo says volunteer for poll worker.

sharkbabe!
Howdy!

Did anyone else have a visceral reaction to seeing Cindy Megabucks come out on stage during these times of economic crisis? I know I did.

They were watching CNN at the party I went to. Usually I don’t like all that pundit and audience instant reaction stuff, but I guess I was so stressed by how the debate was going, I found that watching it eased my mind.

I am pretty sure that the independent rating visibly went down a notch whenever McCain started talking. McCain has so messed up this campaign, that people just do not like him. After the dive, the independent rating would notch back up when McCain made a good substantive point (and he did make quite a few, even though each good point was in the service of the Big Lie).

Anyway, I thought I saw a visceral dislike of the new maximum bogus fraud old jerk style McCain. and that eased my mind.

Do others who watched CNN have the same impression?

Sharkbabe!

my foreign born (now naturalized) mom is a poll worker. take that republicans!!

Right on, nice to see ya around again Sharkbabe.

I don’t like her new sex kitten look that started at the Convention….. I like the Alien look better….. then I clearly know who she is and can watch out when she is in town….

Clarity does rule.

Katymine…thought that was Goddess?

Well it did and it didn’t ease my mind. It did because of the validation (somewhat) of indys and dems. but the high red line of approval of the usual gop aggressive stance on anything just bugs me. The testosterone party. Then I remembered where the debate was held and….well….

For such a boring debate, my stomach was churning a lot.

Do you know. do people have a clicker requiring multiple clicks or just button they hold down when it’s good?

Dear Imperial Goddess of Abundance.

Well, the crashing jets (I include the one that got blown up on the Forrestal) – thank you Daddy. The Hanoi stuff? That’s why he didn’t want those other POW’s rescued – they were the ones who heard the tapes and who knew the truth about what happened there.

Other veterans – yeah, well most of them are too smart and can see right through him. I don’t know any other veterans, from any generation, that come back and parade around about their combat experiences like he does. Most of them never talk about it. Jim Webb was on Rachel last night and she was bringing up all his medals and stuff (2 bronze stars, 1 silver star, a Navy Cross and 2 purple hearts). He just shook his head after the bronze stars. She kept trying to ask him questions about them and he got this look on his face and said I don’t talk about those. And that was that. McCain got all those medals when he got home – and somebody calculated that he got a medal for every hour and a half he was ‘in combat’ actually flying his plane before he got shot down – all 22 hours.

So they can’t stand him – and he’s actually afraid of them I think.

Thanks for sharing that line! That’s what I was thinking. I mean, Obama could just say, yeah I hope to travel too when I retire or maybe something more clever. Geesh.

My religion is private and personal…… and should NOT be aired like someones laundry…..

Perk up with the music…Pointer Sisters…next the Supremes with “Baby Love”. My religion Free Speech… guru Lenny Bruce…like universal love…Peace.

Sorry if I am saying what everyone here knows already -but I think one point to emphasize to any undecideds you know is that McCain is definitely 100% with the nutcase House GOP caucus. McCain’s behavior last few days is beyong rational expectation. But I am sure McCain is 100% with the goofballs.

I think one reason that McCain had to suspend the campaign is that he started making such a hash of explaining his nosensical meansingless bail out bullet points.

Follow McCains responses to to questions. The poor economically illiterate dude starts to spout about corporate tax cuts, getting rid of capital gains taxes and more deregulation. That is 4/5 of the House GOP plan.

The Hanky Panky give away is not popular, but I am sure more tax cuts, no capital gains tax, and more deregulation as a solution is not popular either.

Every competent ecnonomist has panned the House GOP plans. McCain will try to do just that plan and turn the current financial panic into a depression. I sincerely believe that.

I thought I would vomit when he started waxing all concerned and drony about vets and their families. He did it a lot. and it was so rote and sickening.

That red line was scary, I admit that. Who are those people? Glad that there are not many left.

Sharkbabes patrol these waters.

-G

Have a whole passel of Vets in my family….. all but one…. don’t talk about it…. My Dad only started talking about his after the Iraq war….. And the one who talks about it is a Gunnery Sergeant Marine…. a Repug too…

For such a boring debate, my stomach was churning a lot.

I was busy screaming at McSame’s lies and smears and groaning at Obama’s “we’s” and ‘I Agrees’…! 8-(

Dear Imperial Goddess of Abundance.
Now were talkin godshit…I mean Good Sheeet mon. Maybr ES has some more Reggae like that band in Portugal Kera something that was “Dear Imperial Goddess of Abundance” music if ever.
Very nice dosido

Biden/Palin on Thursday.

Where those continuous reaction lines from the Mississippi audience? I assumed it was from groups around the country.

If they were from the audience, that is even better. If Mississippi independents had a visceral dislike of McCain, imagine what it would look like in the battleground states.

Anyone know who CNN had for those gimmicky continuous audience reaction lines?

Yeah, after McSlime gave his lecture on the difference between Tactics and Strategy (Which he got wrong!), I wanted Obama to say “Well, I listened to your lecture on the difference between Tactics and Strategy, now you need to listen to my lecture on the difference between Preparation and Pre-Conditions.”

Thanks for bringing that up. I was soooo mad about the bad faith of House GOP like PENCE and then I got all distracted with the debate.

Pence is throwing around the word “taxpayer” meaning the guy who is the wall street exec and the lobbyist and the corporations (who are people, you know). These are his constituents now. He said, boo hoo, all these expat assets could come home and Barney Franks just slapped him and said those were made with US jobs exported overseas and those profits can come home any time your “taxpayers” want to pay that tax. When Mike uses the word “taxpayers” he is NOT talking about the average taxpayer and American worker. words to that affect.

i watched the whole thang, that wuz funny Suz.

Oh my Gad.

thanks – i think that song is mcsame inner ugly

I read somewhere that when McSlime announced he wasn’t coming to the debates he basically alienated the entire town of Oxford. They would have lost a ton of money and a whole bunch of jobs that they really need and that really pissed them off – considering what’s going on with the economy.

Then Bob Barr offered to take McCain’s place. I think they should have let him!

No Way Jose…Obama is going to give away his whitehouse bankroll for bailing out wealthy gamblers without some solid strings. Paulson pulled a fast one and got hammered on all sides. Nothing is bailig out this economy but itself. They have abused federal Reserve abd Treasury like they abused the markets.

He get poor marks for his record by most of the Veterans groups one gives him only a 20% rating!! Vets know an asshole when they hear the shit he says and his bragging time after time about being a POW. I don’t know any vet who even talks about his combat time except in rare occasions and only then with another combat Vet!

But what is popular is 95% of Americans are getting a tax cut.

Yeah, and Obama is a freshman Senator and he’s already got a B+ from one group (McCain got a D from them) and 80% from the others. So, even though he doesn’t have a military background – he’s already in the top group.

That same survey put all the Dems at C+ or above and all the Rethugs at C or lower. Very interesting, no?

boa noite pups. going to swim a few laps and then either pop back on here or hit the bed.

Any Sacramento types want to come to my house on Thursday to watch The Beauty Queen like totally debate Biden?

I googled for ya, but couldn’t find anything definitively authoritative, although some people were writing about their responses to the graphs some of which is amusing.

Thanks for relating that nice exchange between Pence and Frank. Pence is even more economically illiterate than McCain.

I will try to post some economic commentary on the House GOP plan in next few days. Everyone who knows any economics says it is bad dangerous loony news. Just show that to undecideds and assure them that McCain has wet dreams about doing exactly that plan.

Dude,
1) eliminating capital gains tax will drive distressed securities prices even lower, probably in nose dive right after it is eliminated
2) corporate tax cut will do nothing
3) More deregulation of securities markets?? (nuff said)
4) more government backed insurance for unregulated mortgage securities (will add another S&L style crisis on top of the mess now).

McCain will follow that recipe from hell until we are all living in holes in the ground eating roots and vermin, and then Grampa Gramm will come around and call us all whiners.

wish I could. It promises to be a whole lot livelier than tonights debate.

good night all!

our other senator (kyl) has a D-…. so between both McCain & Kyl they have quite record on Vet issues….. AND we have a huge Vet population…. AND they a pissed….

Sounds nice, enjoy.

darn I wish I was up your way.

Okay,OT. I just heard an incredible song via my youngbloods. Bad Religion doing Sorrow-the acoustic version.
Gets into your heart!!

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) awarded him a ‘D’, Obama was awarded a ‘B+’…

The Disabled American Veterans (DAV) gave him a 33% rating, Obama received a 89% rating…

Ironically, even his homeys, the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) states that McCain has voted against 15 of the bills they endorsed and cosponsored none, whereas, Obama has voted for 13 of them and cosponsored 7 bills…

you’re welcome. pbs newshour should have a transcript for ya.

Sorry, I am on dinosaur mode-dial up, and can’t link.

and don’t get me started on Heather Wilson (Lying R NM) saying what a hero John McCain is with a huge smile on her face while she lies through her teeth with committment.

really going to bed now. bye y’all.

Nice clip of Biden commenting on the debate on fronpage of TPM. Biden is in his calm direct suave know-it-all pile driver mode. I hope that is the Biden we see next week.

Biden: “McCain lost and it will be fatal.”

Is she going to let it all hang out? Hi Mary next week or so Farmer’s Almanac predicting some serious rains and squalls on the coast. Hope the websites are going well. Mine are back up, I was behind on the rent a year on http://www.case-environmental.org!

My freshman Senator Jon Tester is not a vet either but he’s also on the Veterans Affairs committee, and has already got an increase in the mileage reimbursement for disabled vets traveling to VA hospitals. That hadn’t been raised since the 60’s I think. He was a leading co-sponsor to get the 3.9% payraise that’s going through right now (the one Bush and McCain both said wasn’t necessary)

Aparently I am still uselessy waiting for the Dems to start wearing Cork boots to theses ass kicking contests.

Nice doesn’t cut it in this league.

Learn that this is serious, idiots.

Same with my congressman Harry Mitchel….. great on Vet issues….. AND my Dad thanks Jon Tester…… Dad has to drive 50 miles one way to get to the VA clinic and well over 75 miles to the VA Hospital…..

Hey your econ comments have been interesting along with Switzer, Ian and the one at Kos. It is just amazing how little Americans know or want to on this sacn that they describe as the economy!!!

Sites are going well. I am learning alot and making new friends.

I do hope it rains soon. I long for rain. Growing up in New Orleans makes it so. The weather dude said it might rain up here in two days.

(Link not working on case-environmental.org)

Going to bed. See you all later.

Some damn good music.

Well, I’m a lot closer to my clinic but unfortunately most of the stuff I get done is at the hospital – 114 miles one way. And I am on SSDI and make too much money to qualify for the mileage reimbursement. Good thing I drive a Prius!

Nite mary….

sacn = scam

Speaking of long lost FDL regulars, I haven’t seen Punaise or RW Cole lately. Anyone have info I missed?

Wow.

thanks. Ian really knows his stuff. His economic housing boom/bust analysis and predictions have been as good as the Krugman’s, Roubini’s and Stiglitz’s. Get that guy a NY Times column! Or maybe Washington Post.

Sharkbabe was here tonight earlier…… me… I don’t have a life ……

iirc, pun’s internet sabbatical isn’t over until september is over

I ride the DAV Van when I can but it doesn’t work for my all-day infusions and stuff. For vets out here in the west particularly, the DAV has done a really good job getting all the vans and getting drivers and stuff. I know a lot of vets here would never be able to get to their specialty appointments if they had to drive – particularly during the winter.

Heh, well my Senator is Chair of the Veteran’s Affairs Committee… (Akaka) ;-)

Maybe check not cleared yet. I’ll call Monday. Thank you for tip. Affordale rentals not so good since the foreclosures. Rents are high.

well, eyelids needing toothpicks so better hit the hay.

Nite all…

Doesn’t surprise me in the least when all the rethugs do is try and cut Vets out from getting benefits at all. They already screwed any veteran of Nam who hadn’t enrolled at the VA in 2003 IIRC. I was lucky and enrolled in 2002 after my private medical insurance went with my last job! But even now until the new bill was signed the returning Iraq vets were only entitled to two years of medical care. Republicans in general DO NOT SUPPORT the TROOPS. This fact needs to be made very clear to every citizen in the country. Most think the Vets were getting the benefits they deserved. Its the old rethuglian way to use and throw away the troops time after time to save a buck but always vote for tax cuts for the Rich.

AWWW, but you are a nice lady.
You are the only one who has had the chance to smack me me and ya didn’t.

That is good,, Thanks!!

Like Night and Day! Makes you just love his grandstanding all the more, eh?

Yep sounds good

some nice enterprising person should put a youtube together of McCain’s smerk’s other facial expressions during the debate…..including his horsesh*t comment……

it really is fun to yank your chain….. but it was done good heartily…

Probably need a drinking game for next debates. Make a list of McCain talking points from this debate and have to take a drink every time one is repeated in next ones.

I don’t like booze drinking game -unhealthy. So swigs of soda pop or herbal tea are acceptable in my drinking games.

But, McCain gets under my skin, so I might go to straight gin.

I didn’t know that many old school vet organizations were calling out McCain. that’s encouraging.

Ok… heading off to bed…. good night everyone….

Hannibal, you are the link master in my opinion. Though to be honest I can’t do the links often because they take too fucking long on this set-up.
Is it possible for you to link Bad Religion, Sorrow, acoustic version?
PS. I did get a link on your Tiger Man photo and bonded with my youngblood crew!!
It’s a melancholy song so maybe it’s not appropriate tonight.

ES what was the name of that wonderful band you put up that played in Portugal tera kera something. Really nice rythms and lead turnovers semi sharing in and out sort of dreamy?

Night Katy sleep well (:>))

Terrakota

Is this the version you liked?

Hi Nahant…John getting your goat yet…Obama seems to let it slide off likw water off of a ducks back. How’s the treatment going?

I really got sick of watching Obama let himself be flogged on this business of the surge. That was something that was absolutely predictable and Obama should have been prepared for with a specific rehearsed comeback, like: “Two weeks ago General Petraeus said that he did not expect that he would ever use the word “victory” regarding the conflict in Iraq, so apparently Senator McCain has knowledge of the situation in Iraq that has escaped his hero commander, David Petraeus.”

No treatments are needed, just an MRI every 3 months or so!! Don’t the doctor until December some time….

I don’t know, the credits read right. Thank you.
We have one more month to go before hooking into high speed. All the cables are here but the progressives keep needing cash, so they get our “high speed” money because we just can’t do it all financially. Dedication is a bitch!!!
Thanks again.

Boya Boya Boya Boya Boya Boya Boya Boya nice and easy That is it for me. Thanks ES

Hey, y’all, just got back from a gig. I was listening to KGO and Karel said Obama won.

Did it live down to my weakened expectations?

Unfortunately, McCrazy did not exactly explode like an IED. He just looked mean and grumpy and petty and told a lot of lies.

Oh, and he said horse***t

A Lady I know had a career with WAMU. Her retirement was in company 401Ks she lost a big bundle of her retirement. Bailin isn’t going to help her, Sadly more people every day in my financial postion. She still has her house. I did warn her…I guess she was loyal.

McCain is a fucking dick. If he said horseshit it’s because that’s what he’s made of and what he eats.

I like this blingee of Grampa McCranky.

Personally, viewing it thru the eyes of mainstream Amerika, I would call it a tie. No quotable quotes, no knock outs.
Unless having McCain admit to a policy of torture makes a difference. But apparently, that’s not a deal breaker or even a faux pas.

Good night pups time to call it a day…. sleep well when ya get there(:>))

Wasn’t McCain for torture after he was against it?

Nope he was against and then for it! At least that is the way he voted!!

poof

I kept warning a lady friend of mine to get the hell away from WAMU.
She didn’t listen but she will be OK because the FDIC will cover what she had.
HAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA.
The FDIC is insolvent too.
I didn’t have to worry about it but shit seems to be hitting the fan rather rapidly lately.

I think we are saying the same thing

1) took a principled stand

2) flushed the principled stand down the toilet when Chimpy told him to

nite all

Good night…wake up in the morning…It’s a brand new Day

It did, but our guy won.. in forking Oxford Mississippi ta boot! he did what he needed to do.

Evening. Just got caught up, sorta. Thanks for watching and live blogging.
Your take (and snark)is highly valued.

Good morning, SN. I’m setting up my twitter account.. I don’t know why, but everybody is doing it so i thought I better check it out.

Niters neurophius and other sleepy pups – am outta here too – what a fabulous night.

(((((ES)))) Thanks for the great video – evoked so many sweet memories from grad school days way back when in da windy city. ;~) zzzzzzznoozing off

ES, do you really think he won? I kept watching with a eye on how my uninformed neighbors who are more interested in slogans than truth would see it. Maybe I over critiqued it. Cripes, I hope so.

I think if he holds his own from here on out as he did tonight (campaign wise) he’s a pretty sure bet.

But the shock doctors and Rovians are a big problem. I’m taking nothing for granted. (Oct. Surprise/vote caging)

This economic bill/fight is a chance for Dems to do the right thing and rally a bunch of people and the country in the right direction.. or it could be like FISa.. or worse.

I could swear I saw punaise on emptywheel recently. Or campaign silo.
I remember thinking Oh good ,punaise is still active.

I have a feeling folks like you or myself can really freak a bunch of uninformed folks out with our concerns.. we know to much.. it just overwhelms folks when I try to get in to deep.

So I just say things like.. I just don’t want to torture people or I just want to stop killing so many innocent people… in a very matter of fact manner without getting into the details or blame game.

I just want my friend Cindy’s aunt and her kids to have health care.. she works two jobs now. etc.

Cool. I’ve been kinda unclear about twitter’s role/value. The wikipedia
article helped.

Followed Jane on it one night when she was moving about – maybe at netroots nation.

Is there a YouTube up yet of Joe Biden’s reaction to the debate?

How about a YouTube of my governor Sarah Plin’s reaction?

Yeah I hear you. I’ve started to reduce women’s rights issues down to “if the government decides it has a right to control women’s bodies, when do you draw the line on big government”. Unfortunately, the response is usually, I’m not a woman. Or, I had an abortion and it was horrible so therefore there should be no abortions ever. I’ve even had lesbian friends tell me, we don’t get pregnant.
FUCK. No wonder I act up.

Hi ET.. Nothing from Palin on TV or anywhere else that I know about. Biden made the network rounds, but my basic search skills find nothing on youtube yet.

DId you watch the debate with a bunch of folks tonight?

Here is the you tube on Biden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCTJLW0eSc4

I just posted both of their responses at my place…

OK.. I have 50 fellow twits and photo on my profile..

I’m a twitter now.

G’ night fabulous firedogs

good night,sleep tight, don’t let the bedbugs bite. As we used to chant as children.
Night all.

Is anything happening up there. I saw a poll earlier saying that Palins favorables up there have dropped significantly.

Morning already?

morning twolf1

Good Morning, It seems as though everyone is sleeping in. It will be interesting to see how the daily tracking polls view the debate. IMO McCain overplayed his line indicating that Obama did not have the experience. Everytime he said it, Obama would come back with a strong statement on foreign policy.

Good morning, pups. It’s Collins and Herbert today. Ms. Collins gives us “McCain: Bearish on Debates.” She says the presidential debate lost some of its normal most-important-moment-in-history sheen. The real tension, after all, had been getting John McCain there. Mr. Herbert says “Palin’s Words Raise Red Flags,” and that if Gov. Sarah Palin’s fumbled interviews are an accurate reflection of her qualifications, John McCain should find a replacement on the ticket. Oh, please, not before the debate… Given her performance with Katie Couric a serious debate ought to be the best entertainment we’ll get all season.

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The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got apple walnut muffins that just came out of the oven. The good news would is that it seems that independents broke fairly heavily for Obama. Fivethirtyeight has a post up about the debate this morning. Have a great day.

On McClatchy home page: Palin meets the press, and the reviews aren’t good

Mornin’ selise, mornin’ JPL9, mornin Marion :)

I haven’t yet made up my mind about the debate yet. I ended up turning it off before it was over.

both senate and house in session today. house at 10am, senate at 9:30am.

while i was trying to pay attention to the financial meltdown this week, apparently the house just passed a bill i should have been watching for:

It’s ‘empire spending,’ not ‘defense spending.’

On Wednesday, the House passed a mammoth defense bill by a 392-39 vote. It’s expected to clear the Senate with little difficulty next week.

It was part of a trillion-dollar stop-gap measure to keep programs running through next March, allowing lawmakers to skip town without passing a final budget. The Associated Press reports, “The legislation came together in a remarkably secret process that concentrated decision-making power in the hands of a few lawmakers.”

In keeping with the tradition of recent years, Bush held a gun to his own head and threatened to pull the trigger if his demands weren’t met. According to the AP, “To earn President Bush’s signature rather than a veto, House and Senate negotiators dropped several provisions he opposed. They include a ban on private interrogators in U.S. military detention facilities and what would have amounted to congressional veto power over a security pact with Iraq.”

In other words, Congress also maintained recent tradition, swearing not to give Bush a blank check and then whipping out their pens and signing a blank check.

let me start the day out right with this: i despise our “democratic” congress.

thanks marion. i actually hope mccain does replace palin – hopefully with someone reasonable. as much as i hope the country reject the republicans, the democrats are giving them reason to and it’s still possible that obama could lose.

as bad as bush as been, i shudder to think of a president palin.

let me start the day out right with this: i despise our “democratic” congress.

Democracy went out the door a long time ago I am afraid. Our wishes mean shit and are votes are flushed down the same toilet. “Obama Didn’t Hurt Himself” tells it all about last night as far as I can see. Someone needs to find some balls and attach them to obama. I know he is doing the bidding of his corporate (banking) masters but for bloody hell’s sake say something, anything, of substance grrrrrr.

Morning!

I turned off the debate and turned off the computer and I’m glad I did.

Because this morning, I’m getting a completely different feel about it. I think Phoenix Woman was right. I don’t think it was a disaster for Obama now at all. It wasn’t the knockout we wanted to be sure, but I’m getting a sense that the country didn’t think McCain did so great.

But think about the future. So if Obama won the debate despite a really weak performance, what does that inferabout an Obama presidency?

I think Obama is the grown up, and we could use one.

I don’t see his performance as showing he’d be a lousy President.

What evidence do you have that he is a grown up? That he has more control over his emotions than McCain? That’s a really low bar. Obama’s policies don’t encourage me. But you already knew that.

i’m pretty much with nomolos and ecahn. i was not impressed by obama. he did not articulate a way forward for the economic crisis, he did not offer a different kind of foreign policy – just a different face.

modified from something i wrote in a middle of the night email when i couldn’t sleep:

Obama is selling himself as someone more capable of holding together a failing system. Where Bushco would throw $700 billion at the economy and fail to hold the current system together – Obama thinks he can succeed. Where Bushco is failing in our wars for control of the ME, Obama thinks he can succeed. Not with fundamental reform, but because he is smarter than Bushco. I agree that Obama is way smarter than Bushco. But really, how high a bar is that? What I’m not sure of is this: is Obama any wiser?

Obama is trying to make us feel more comfortable with the current failing system. He’s smart, been to good schools, polished, and has all the social signifiers meant to comfort those of us who have rejected Bushco. But that’s all packaging and marketing, if there’s something more substantial to what he is offering the voter I can’t see it.

Here’s a thought experiment: if Obama were to adopt a pseudonym and come on to the fdl threads to explain and justify his position on any number of issues – would he convince anyone or would he be seen as a concern troll, even by most of his supporters? Strip him of his degrees, his 3 years as a community organizer, his reputation as a wonderful speaker… And what’s left? Would he, could he, make sense to us? Convince us of his positions? Convince us he knew what he was talking about or that he had a clue how to think through problems?

McCain often said “he doesn’t understand” and rather than become defensive, Obama proved that he understood with his answers. In the end McCain came across with weak answers while saying but “he doesn’t understand.” Would I personally like Obama to walk across the stage and challenge McCain to a duel, sure.

I’m not giving very much weight to the debate. Chimpy’s stuttering laughable performance versus Kerry didn’t keep him from becoming President.

mornin’ all.

I think his career shows that he’s organized, plans well, follows through, and is committed to what he’s doing.

Here’s a thought experiment: if Obama were to adopt a pseudonym and come on to the fdl threads to explain and justify his position on any number of issues – would he convince anyone or would he be seen as a concern troll, even by most of his supporters? Strip him of his degrees, his 3 years as a community organizer, his reputation as a wonderful speaker… And what’s left? Would he, could he, make sense to us? Convince us of his positions? Convince us he knew what he was talking about or that he had a clue how to think through problems?

That’s a very interesting thought experiment.

is committed to what he’s doing.

ah, but that’s just the problem i have. what the heck is he committed to doing? besides becoming president, i can’t tell.

may i be completely wrong in my opinion of obama.

one of my “tricks” to try to get around at least some of my biases is to invent thought experiments. served me well in science and engineering.

used to think everyone did them all the time and was surprised to learn that’s not so.

obama is trying not to lose. He is not trying to win and that does not give me a heck of a lot of encouragement.

Obi is not running or showing himself to be a progressive or analytical thinker here. Thinking people are not impressed with his approach to “working WITH and IN the system” we have. Thinkers want so REAL fundamental restructuring of this nation, its laws and its practices. We really need some majo re do’s not tweaking this system. Obi likes to characterize this as a good train shuttled off to the wrong track.

Heck we’ve been on the wrong track for 60 years (or more) and we have to un hitch a lot of the cars we are hauling into the future. Defense is sucking the resources out of our treasury which should go to PEOPLE needs. Our foreign policy is alientating almost EVERY nation around the world… friend and foe. Aside from Israel most nations consider us all hat and no cattle and a bull in a china shop.

People do want change. Real serious, fundamental change… not window dressing and lipstick on the pig. Obi may turn out to be a trojan progressive or rise to the occassion when he has some talks with some critical thinkers after he is in the oval office and the inauguration party is over and he has to fix up the world… that the capitalists screwed up royally. He’s smart enough to get it. Will he be bold enough to do it? Will the powers in intel, the military and finance let him?

I want to think he is playing his cards close to his vest and he is going to surprise us. To be too bold now would scare too many people who “believe in the USA” as being right on everything. You don’t get votes by annoucing we are losers and have been completely wrong headed for decades. He is playing it cool… but I sure hope he heats up in the oval office.

He owes it to Martin.