So yeah, that’s pretty much it. Insure mortgage backed securities and all will be well in the world. As many folks have pointed out, there are some problems with this, though it’s not quite as brain dead as folks are making out.
1) To insure these things you have to know how likely they are to default. No one knows. It is doubtful anyone can know. If we did know, this problem would be much easier to solve.
2) For insurance to work you have to charge people what it’s worth. If there’s a 20% chance of default per year, the value has to be about 20% of what you’d pay out. Let’s assume we could figure out what the default chance was and charged that amount. The people who need it most couldn’t afford it, it would be too much. The reason they’re in danger of going bankrupt is because the probability is too high.
3) The house is on fire already. In many cases, these things are already effectively in default, it’s just that no one has said "uh, I don’t think the emperor is wearing any clothes." This would be the equivalent of calling up the insurance company and saying "Hey, I’d like to buy homeowner insurance because my house is on fire." They’d laugh you off the line. If they did decide to insure you they’d say "how much would it cost to replace your house Mr. Smith? We’ll charge you that much premium." In other words, there’s no point.
4) What this means is that either the government doesn’t charge them enough to afford to insure them, or it does. If it does, they can’t afford it. If it doesn’t, then the cost of the banks claiming their insurance payouts will be more than the cost of the premiums.
5) This means that the House bailout is actually the largest bailout suggested by anyone. What they’re saying is "minus premiums, we will pay for every single bad mortgage backed security in the system." I guarantee that will run to trillions and trillions of dollars.
Now, the idea of insuring certain types of securities is not a bad one. But the current crop of mortgage backed securities are not a good candidate because they include such a high proportion of fraud and because they include a lot of exotic variations that make them too hard to value. If the government (or anyone else) is going to insure something it has to be simple enough to understand and relatively fraud proof. The current batch is neither. Insuring something like money market funds, on the other hand, would make sense.
On top of that, I understand these fools want to decrease the capital gains tax to zero, which as Think Progress points out is completely pointless (people aren’t not investing because they are worried about taxation, they are not investing in these companies because they think they’ll lose everything they put in.) Heck, private equity firms raised 323 billion this year, it isn’t even that there isn’t plenty of capital slopping around, it’s just not interested in helping out insolvent financial institutions. The phrase "good money after bad" is probably going through a lot of investors minds.
And then there’s the deregulation foolishness, the idea being to allow companies to keep securities on book at their "maturity price" rather than their "market price". Since most of those securities are not going to mature at those prices, which is why the market price is so low, this is the equivalent of saying "let’s all just pretend that these securities are still good and that you’re not bankrupt. lalalalala, if I plug my ears and close my eyes the big bad financial crisis will go away!"
It is also a version of how the Japanese crippled their economy for going on 20 years now, by keeping zombie assets on the books of zombie banks, which then shuffled along unable to lend enough money to get the economy going.
So yes, Republican bailout ideas. Stupid. Doesn’t mean that what seems to be the current consensus Democratic plan is very good either, but at least it isn’t brain dead.
(Oh, and in the meantime the House Republicans stopped a 56 billion dollar bill which would have extended food stamps, employment insurance and so on. Glad to see they have their priorities straight.)
Related posts:
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- Individual Mandate – Public Option = Insurance Industry Bailout
- Anthony Weiner: Not Including Public Plan Will Cost Reform “100 Votes” in the House
- The Max Tax: Baucus Plan Fails to Control Growth of Insurance Premiums





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They are full of smack – but have a tactic that since this is the alternative plan to the original it must be good, it must be for “Main Street” in tbe minds of the amnesiacs.
Hope the facts get out that the Republicans have been killing us (in many ways) and robbing us (in all ways) for a long time.
Debate:
+/- 3pts for Obama as CIC
+/- 3pts for the Bailout argument
well somehow we have to cover those pretty golden parachutes.
As for the McCain ad that he won the debate before it even started and while his campaign was “suspended” is a joke and he should get a verbal punch in the face for this tonight.
Another punch in the face for his years of de-regulation.
Another punch in the face for his tax cuts for the rich.
Another punch in the belly for being a coward and poser wrt the debate tonight.
Then kicked in the shins for all his lies.
McCain should also punch Obama for whatever his deal is.
None of this “he was a POW”, etc. We don’t have time for much formality.
Thanks Ian
digg
Also it should be noted they spent more time trying to make a play and posing for extending Bush tax cuts today than helping “Main Street”.
I heard this on CNBC, “insuring these mortgages may be like selling insurance to a group, 90% of which already has the bubonic plague.
Ian, your metaphor of insuring houses that were already on fire was a lot better.
I remember during the LA riots that there were white guys (not that there’s anything wrong with that) caught with printouts of building to burn (something wrong with that). Likely Republicans (or GOP, as those running for office now like to be called).
I guess what I’m saying, is after we bail out the mortgage industry, under the GOP plan, next we’ll have to bail out the insurance industry.
I really think the solution, at least in part, is writing 50 year loans. The goal in all of this should be to keep people in their houses. Rewrite bankruptcy laws back to the goal of protecting house & car first. That’s how it used to be.
I also like the idea of buying shares. If they want socialism for Wall St, the American people should get it too.
Food stamps for yacht parties only.
Well, I don’t advocate violence, even ‘verbal violence’ (whatever that means), but Ol’ Mc dearly needs to have the moral subtext of the bailout debate pinned on him.
Briliant! Why is anything more than the title necessary? What a metaphor!
Just as an FYI but you’re gonna have to re-Digg. Eureka Springs got the Digg that caught on.
This sounds like they want to substitute the government for the credit default swaps. And we all know how well they turned out.
Any chance we’ll have a group blogging/commenting here during the debate?
So, if this Republican proposal is the “private sector” one, why do they need the government to be the insurer? Why don’t they just go out to the private sector and buy some insurance if they need it?
Doesn’t insuring the mortgages create a moral hazard for the holder? I can imagine it might be more profitable to see the loan go into default/foreclosure/eviction soon and collect on the insurance, than it would have been to continue holding the mortgage. Especially if you think money will be worth less in future, since you get the insurance payout now when money is worth more, whereas ordinary payment income stretches way off into the future in small installments when money is worth less and less and less.
I’m hopin’ for a loveblog, yeh.
Always
Oh yeah
Hurray! I love watching these events with keen-eyed progressives.
G O B A M A.
Jim Lehrer is the moderator. That’s a good start. I wish it were Gwen Ifil.
BB in 25.
Another great post, Ian. You’re really on top of this.
Keeping federal money out of the hands of those truly in need is their priority.
she’s doing Biden-Palin
Yes, but with sufficient wishful thinking it will all work out.
i’m a harsher critic than you, ian. i’d don’t have any problem calling the dem plan brain dead. but then i think the replublican plan is a malicious fraud.
I just don’t get it Ian, they are guaranteeing profit to those companies that caused the problem
that is just plain ridiculous, they need to tell the lenders they can continue the loan at the lowest rates and at an adjusted market value for these homes
I would also like to see “adjustable home value” for what the house might lose in value
hell, the lenders had the nerve to sell “adjustable mortgages” for if the rates went up, they can buy adjustable home value loans for if the value goes down, I would even let them participate in profit of home if it does go up and is sold at profit.
and not to go off topic or anything, (ok, I am going off topic), but does anyone have a link for the debate tonight?
Oh you.
Well, one’s worse than the other and they both suck and won’t fix the problem. How’s’dat?
Gwen’s gonna eat Caribou Barbie for breakfast. Can’t wait.
Barney and Chris are really smart guys. So why exactly haven’t they tried to actually come up with a true fix for the problem?
I think it’s on all the networks.
That’s good. She’s tough.
perris
CSPAN has a fancy pants debate hub
but it’s on all the regular network channels at 9 et
ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, PBS
works for me.
maybe i’m just more pissed than you. after all, i’m listening to the debate now in the house of representatives on cspan.
Yeah, that’s bad for your blood pressure. Thank God I don’t own a TV (not a moral thing, just that the computer sucks my life already.)
What are they debating, the bailout? Are they gonna recess?
Good debates are like fencing matches – points are well made, but form and style count heavily in making those points.
Our guy – Obama – has mad skillz in debate-craft. I expect him to come out and give a measured, but confident performance against a live, but somewhat erratic opponent.
Good form and style, competitive but not personal, should carry the evening.
If you got the profit out of the mortgage business, the banks wouldn’t play. Wall street wants big returns and for that they were willing to create all sorts of schemes to “sell debt”. They screwed up and are insolvent. Screw them. What happens to the mortgages they wrote?
Let’s see…. We declare all mortgages written to a failed bank etc re set to X% fixed 30 years with X months of grace period. We also reset the VALUE of these mortgages to 60% or so to be in line with real estate values. Bye Bye banks. The government or whomever buys the converted mortages cannot package them as sell them, but must accept the payments as the biz model. This should help people from owing more than their homes are worth…. And why should they pay inflated prices for the bubble created by the money sharks on Wall Street?
Let’s bring this down to a sensible place, where people can afford their homes, and the related industries can then carry on serving them.
Is there going to be a debate thread? or is this it?
Done, thanks.
Maybe a mod could delete my link.
because their plans are being written (at least in part) by the same financial interests that are “helping” the republicans write their plans. the dems have learned to depend on these businesses for donations and support – thank you bill clinton and the dlc.
hi all!
MCGramps already using the “campaign suspension” line as a pre-excuse for a bad debate performance.
Gee, who’d-a-think it?
There is no reason to save the bad players on Wall Street. They were unethical and predatory and need to be shut down and some prosecuted – not given more money to “do it again”.
Let the financial markets stabilize themselves – let them – the big banks – have a summit and work it out.
This is why lobbying by for profit corporations must be made illegal.
i’m streaming cspan over the internet.
oh, lovely. new topic – now i’m listening to duncan hunter talking about the wars.
Let the congress critters do their own research and write their own legislation.
Interesting column by John Ridley about Michelle Malkin and Fox News blaming the financial crisis on “lending to minorities and other risky folks.”
A warmup…
changing to c-span2 for the debate.
wheres wobbs?
Banks have down some very risky things lately… and they can’t pay their debts… How is that different from John Q Public who did precisely the same thing. CREDIT
Would require a Constitutional amendment.
is my mike on?
Maybe old news.
Rep. Barney Frank predicts bailout deal by Sunday
Huh. DirecTV has the debate on c-span, and Tonight From Washington on c-span 2. Go figure…
too soon for my tastes
Deal most likely won’t pass.
Hey, SY. Ready to rumble (debate)?
Probably possible if they lock McNumbnuts in a closet…
Obama wins the coin toss!
must go get booze we are having thedrinking game,no?
Just saw a flash of W around the table with Obama from yesterday. I am almost thinking that Lil W is likely quite intimidated by Obama…Harvard, etc. and he can think and talk.
hahahahahahahaaha
sip #1
I don’t trust him anymore
He said on PBS NewsHour he wasn’t going to predict when. So much for that (or maybe he had a second thought).
what are the key words
friends
change
tax payers????????????????
What are the rules? If “my friends” calls for drinking I’ll probably last, oh, maybe 15 minutes…
The point is that Fox News is engaging in race baiting that is completely contradicted by the actual facts. The percentage of loans that have gone to minorities is much, much lower than the 30% of the population that they represent.
I’m here lurking. i was supposed to go to a football game but staying home instead
Will he kick or receive?
No, really. On CSPAN 2 Leher says they had a coin toss for who goes first with the opening statement.
terrorists?
POW …big gulp
im so glad,need your moral support
9 oclock, is it show time?
are we live blogging?
I’m doing currenttv
hack Current TV here:
directv – Channel 366
dish network – Channel 196
comcast – Channel 107
time warner: Channel 103 (New York City), Channel 142 (Los Angeles), other markets, check local listings
well thats good luck
Oh, cripes. If we have both “my friends” and any reference to Hanoi we’ll all be flat on the floor before this thing is half over.
**jangles keys**
i hope so
I’ve revised that adage about believing half of what your read and none of what your hear to the simpler believe nothing.
Of course! It’s what we do, isn’t it?! Maybe they’ll serve up a new thread.
Every time McSame says “my friends” you take a drink?
hahahahahahahahahaha707
the debate hub doesn’t work from this coffee shop, who is enjoying their feed?
I don’t care much fro the cspan feed
i shall do it
And we have new thready goodness…
Easier to keep straight.
and tax payers
2.8% is the present growth rate of the USA economy from last report Bloomberg today.
That is expasion not recession. What’s the bailout rush. It is equal in size to cost of the Bushco Wars. When we have a real attack, if we spend this where will thw military retrofit come from?
National insecurity!
Let’s look at the big picture. We need tax credits to get off of big oil. We need a health and welfare safety net at home. We need huge capital to fund alternative energy infrastucture. We need big capital to fix our existing infrastructure.
Where is the plan?
Ian Thank you for another post explaining the proposals for this “Bail Out” You always bring clarity to the picture. We here at the Lake owe you a lot for all the work you do in our behalf!
I think it’s time for “live blog debate 1″
who’s going to get it going, ian?
“In a presentation on its WaMu acquisition, J.P. Morgan forecast a 58% peak-to-trough slump in California home prices if the U.S. enters a severe recession. In Florida, house prices could fall 64% in such a scenario, while nationwide prices could drop 37%, the bank said.”
You’re on!
Oh, shit, we’ll be plastered!
I have ambulance on call
“After just 18 days on the job, CEO could exit WaMu with $11.6 million
With J.P. Morgan’s takeover of Washington Mutual, it’s unclear what role Alan Fishman—who was hired only 18 days ago as WaMu’s new CEO—will play in the combined company. But if Mr. Fishman leaves the thrift, it’s pretty clear that he would be well-compensated for his short stint on the job.”
Liveblog thread
“The agreement calls for Mr. Fishman to earn 2.5 times his base salary of $1 million, or $2.5 million, plus another payment that is 2.5 times his annual bonus. He has earned no bonus in his brief tenure, but the agreement states that if Mr. Fishman is terminated in 2008 or 2009, he should receive 2.5 times 365% of his annual salary, which would add up to $9.12 million.
This $11.62 million, of course, would be in addition to the $7.5 million signing bonus he was awarded when he joined WaMu earlier this month. Derek Aney, a WaMu spokesman, was not immediately available to discuss Mr. Fishman’s new role in the merged company or whether Mr. Fishman will be eligible to retain all of these payouts.”
Ian, I appreciate this explanation of the insurance concept. I couldn’t understand how it was supposed to work, and I still don’t, but at least I understand why I didn’t understand.
I talked to a friend about my post on EW yesterday. He says the bankruptcy proposal is still being pushed by staffers to several senators who might actually count, and I think he might know. I think that would be a substantial improvement.
A staffer I know thinks the lending industry has a veto on that change. My friend thinks the industry has lost its clout.
Mc Cain: We will come home! 100 years just changed for the debate. Waffles for dinner?
” What happens to the mortgages they wrote?”
It’s already happened: that’s the problem! Three-fourths of all mortgages in the bubble area were securitized. In other words, they were dissected like a reverse-Frankenstein … MBS, CDOs, slice’n’dice — any given mortgage could be in pieces in a number of different ~creative investment vehicles~ !
As well, there appears to have been little or no due diligence and a lack of paper trail through the securitization chain. It’s entirely possible these mortgages technically don’t exist in law now (IANAL) but one can remember a ways back, foreclosure proceedings in five states were thrown out, as the plantiffs could not show holding of any of the mortgages. I think Deutsche Bank was the first to try this ploy and end up with egg on their face.
Jinglemail was definitely the wrong move for the people who already accepted foreclosures, most likely in less than clear legal validity. If I’d been one of those unfortunately, i”d just squat and say “Show me the paper!”