You may have noticed the rather frigid response to requests that the rest of the world help with the bailout. European leaders coldly said no, so did Chinese, so did, well, pretty much everyone. And China instructed its banks to not lend to American banks.
You might be wondering why. Let’s start with the history: basically the US spent the last seven and a half years borrowing money from the rest of the world and spent it on tax cuts for your rich, a war that most of the world didn’t agree with (that’s Iraq) and on consumption. The money inflow was extreme, at one point in 2005 one survey showed it as being more than the total interest on all the money in the world (ie. all the legal money, plus drug money). Everyone warned the US, including the IMF, but the US just went on its merry way with a war no one wanted and policies clearly aimed at making its rich even richer and impoverishing its middle class.
Since, however, it was buying Chinese goods and since that meant that China was industrializing by giving the US money in exchange for manufacturing jobs, the Chinese were willing to keep the subsidies going. To a lesser extent, so were the Japanese and Koreans. And while most everyone else wasn’t that thrilled, the idea of the US having an economic collapse and taking the rest of the world down with them didn’t seem too hot (although Stirling was arguing at the time that the Europeans should pull the plug anyway, because the costs were larger than they appeared, and well, if they didn’t, what’s happening now would happen.)
But anyway, no one pulled the plug and enough nations indulged America’s nasty credit habit that it was able to keep on keeping on, to the point where the US savings rate spent a fair bit of time actually negative. The metaphor I like to use is a junkie and his fixers. Except that in this case the junkie was the most powerful nation in the world with the most important currency. Any other customer (like say Argentina) would have been cut off long ago. "Sorry bud, no cash, no crack. Unless you’d like to sell us your wife strategic industries? No?"
So, long story short, the rest of the world doesn’t feel much if any sympathy for the US about all this. You borrowed the money, you promised to pay it back, and now it looks like the stuff you gave everyone in exchange for all that money is mostly garbage, worth cents on the dollar. Your IOUs, in other words, are no good. Everyone knows they’re getting stiffed, they’re just trying to figure out how much they’re getting stiffed for. Even if you’re holding greenbacks, everyone knows that the currency is going to crash even further and also get eaten up by inflation.
That’s why when the bailout came around it included a provisions for bailing out foreign banks holding toxic American waste that Americans sold so they could keep having their splendid little war, giving money to the rich, and running up a housing bubble while consuming cheap and lousy Chinese consumer goods. Those countries were, well, pissed. Now, in truth, I don’t think they have a lot of cause to be pissed, they had to know that they were going to get stiffed – you really shouldn’t lend money to people you know can’t pay it back, even if they do promise that they’ll crash the world economy if you don’t. But even if you expect you aren’t getting paid back, when the day comes that you’ve got to write off hundreds of billions of dollars, you’re still not pleased. I’m sure ordinary Americans can understand that, given that they’re being asked to eat that loss for Wall Street.
Further to this, from a foreigners point of view, the US response is still crazy. You obviously can’t afford the war in Iraq, for example. Why aren’t you ending it? Now. Not "sometime", but NOW. Forget the BS about how long it would take to pull out, if you want to do it fast, you can do it fast. And you’re spending more money on your military than the rest of the world combined. Back when you used to do things with that military that the rest of the world sort of liked, like say dealing with Bosnia, people were willing to help you keep it. But now that you’ve proved you can’t be trusted with it, everyone’s wondering why they should help pay for it. You don’t need that big a military to defend yourself, you only need it if you want to run around and knock over some more countries.
Plus, of course, outsiders are noticing that the "bailout" bill is really just a huge transfer from taxpayers to the rich, and that even your own economists are saying it won’t actually fix the problem. So why should they pour more money down the drain when it won’t do any good?
Especially when it’ll do harm. Every dollar spent on a fake bailout will go to oil prices. Give it to ordinary people and they’ll buy gasoline and heating oil; give it to rich people and they’ll drive the market back up. Also, printing 700 billion (0r 2 trillion, or whatever number Paulson decides is enough cash for his buddies) will cause generalized inflation and push down the value of the dollar even more, thus reducing the value of foreign dollar holdings even more.
And the one thing the US really needs to do, which is break the back of the oil market, with the help of other nations, it isn’t even considering doing. No one is saying "let’s spend 20 billion buying up all the old cars on the market and junking them." No one is saying "lets get businesses to have their workers work nine 9 hour days every two weeks and save a huge amount of commuting". No one is saying "let’s enforce a 55 mile an hour speed limit on every street that has a faster one." No one is saying "lets take a hundred billion and start refitting as many buildings in America so they don’t use heating oil, and in fact use almost no oil."
Without doing those things at the same time as a bailout, the bailout will go to oil prices. And that kills everyone, not just Americans, but every nation that consumes oil.
And all of this is before you get to the fact that bailing yourself out with imaginary money means that the trillions of dollars sitting out there, held by foreigners, means they can’t walk in and buy up the best parts of America. What, you don’t want them to? Well what are they supposed to do with all that money you gave them in exchange for your war, rich people and a housing bubble? What does America have that they can spend that money on get something for it?
The answer, actually, is that they might as well just dump it all into the oil market, since they aren’t going to be allowed to buy anything else with it. What will that do? I’m sure you know the answer by now.
So no, foreigners aren’t real pleased right now, and they aren’t buying into Paulson’s money grab (or anyone else’s.) For them to do so, they need to know that the US is going to fix problems that bother everyone. They might be willing to swallow hard and admit that those trillions are essentially very expensive wallpaper, but if they’re going to do that then they also want to know that something is really being fixed. Since none of the solutions Congress is considering will do more than push the problem back a bit, while denying foreigners the ability to spend their money on the American assets they want, there’s no reason for them to sign on.
So the US is on its own until it convinces other countries that it has a real plan, that hopefully will actually do something to take their interests into account.



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Thanks for this post Ian. It’s no surprise the MSM is missing this — the real genesis of the crisis.
Jerome a Paris, the French banker who posts at Daily Kos, is of much the same mind as you, Ian.
$700 billion for the bailout….$700 billion for the Iraq occupation so far.
Bullseye!
Thank you.
Would you explain please why the Japanese went along with this at all? What was in it for them?
Ian!!
I promise I will come back and read but I just have the ‘die nase voll’of bail out crap
The piper wants his due
WSJ reporting that JP Morgan is acquiring Washington Mutual.
good read ian, as always, here’s something that ties in somewhat, interesting to say the least, from think progress, notice my bold
wow, that’s from the cia themselves, it gives irony to those adds that show the twin towers aflame with “please don’t vote democrat, doesn’t it?
Deal was brokered by US government. JPMorgan is buying WAMU’s deposits and some branches.
The bailout makes no sense. The experts who gave us the crisis are now advising us we need to bail them out. My father said, “Fool you once shame on them. Fool you twice, shame on you.” The world should hate our guts. Being the world’s currency is a responsibility. We used our advantage to rip them off. The world knows we cannot be trusted to do the right thing. We cannot be trusted at all. Ian, your ideas of steps to take are good ones. In addition I’d suggest efficient water desalinization and a big push for cold fusion. Only new technology will get us out of this. That’s where we should place our bet, not on those greedy bastards.
When it’s all said and done it’s going to be closer to 5 TRILLION
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..DIq9yO0vzY
Along with everything else we are going to be left with more wealth in the hands of fewer giants.
No bailout.
Tell Paulson to … retire.
Give the $700 Bil to Warren Buffett, and authorize Warren to make our deals.
How about 5 bazilliontrillionkajillian? to infinity? Will that be enough?
As we lay dying without health care…
You really know how to make a grown woman cry. Thanks John.
Is it just me or is it kind of strange that the bailout is the exactly how much the Iraq occupation has cost so far? Neocons love the significance of numbers, such as, 9/11 = 911 & Flight 93 = 1993 1st WTC bombing, Flight 11 = goes back to the “emergency number”. I mean, really, are they just playing games with us or do I need more sleep?
Oh, oh. Did you just hear Obama listing the bus drivers???
I just finished packaging cookies and a chilled fruit water for Our BusDriver, who will be dropping sonnyboy off here any minute now.
(((bus drivers))
Oh shit.
New Republican slogan.. The moral of our story is WAR is cheaper.
may-be but then again may-be 3 trillion +3 trillion. DON”T believe a god damn thing the government says or their figures, like 6% unemployment,yea right!
JPMorgan Chase is a Financial Terrorist
I swear to God, I asked that very same question, out loud, today.
A caller on NPR pointed out that if wall street firms are paid to take write offs, they will be able to get a tax refund on any taxes they paid on those assets — in essence getting to double dip.
Some people say this differently.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
You must admit, Kommander Guy is a fool. But it takes a bigger fool to support The Paulson Extortion. Impeach Paulson!
And the fact that the bombings in Spain happened nine hundred and eleven days after nine eleven
And the bombings in London happened 11 days after Shrub gave a speech in front of a 9 striped flag
And the coup against Salvador Allende in Chile was in September 11 1973
And George Bush senior’s speech about the New World Order was September 11 1991
Somebody’s lucky numbers I guess
Because they hate us for our freedoms!?
Did anyone read this today? Ian, what do you think?
I’m against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,0 00 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it’ll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else.
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it…instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can work.
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .
And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh…I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
You people are scaring me!!!!! LOL *comforting myself*
Thanks for this posting and Perris for reminding us -again- of something I’ve been trying to bring to others attention for awhile now.
China has backed off the earlier news story(which I posted elsewhere to my chagrin) here:
http://www.marketwatch.com/new…..aspx?guid={1F3681AC-2953-4963-99EC-57BECF1E9291}
Now there is no deal because of McCrazy(the same guy who said he didn’t understand economics enough now wants ‘his’ ideas considered?) which is ok in that the sky isn’t falling as per Bush,Paulson,Bernanke BUT we ARE screwed.
Here are 5 things that WILL happen when they finish screwing around:
http://www.marketwatch.com/new…..aspx?guid={71D7979E-244B-4112-8F93-FC497093FEB8}
What I wonder is if the powers that be now get the media to turn on McCrazy and the Repub’s for screwing up the deal that they thought they had brokered.
Ian Welsh:
I’m reminded here of Alexander Hamilton’s focus on fiscal responsibility, in particular paying off our devts from the Revolution. That tradition of paying our debts, etc., goes back to the founding of our country, and made us one of the most fiscally trusted nations in the world.
To whatever extent American exceptionalism was accepted and justified in the eyes of the rest of the world, that fiscal responsibility was its basis. Not democracy and not capitalism – there are plenty of democracies and oligarchies.
Bush, and the GOP in general, wrecked that.
It’s hard to see how we’ll recover that, if at all, in anything less than a few decades – and only with a concerted effort to make good on our debts.
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LOL Which question? The sleeping one or the fact the right wingers in the White House use significant numbers to comfort their souls? ;-)
I agree that the $700 billion bailout amounts to another massive injection of liquidity. The curious thing here is that really is no liquidity crisis in the sense that the money is out there. It is just not being lent in productive ways. This is why new injections don’t have the result of loosening up credit markets. Instead this extra liquidity gets scooped up by speculators, i.e. the finance companies whose speculations in the past led to where we are now.
Of course the reason money isn’t being lent through the normal channels is because of all the crap paper all the players in our financial system are holding. It’s sort of like the Treasure of the Sierra Madre in reverse. Nobody trusts anybody because they know they are holding crap and they know everyone else is too but they don’t know how much.
You don’t need $700 billion as a first step. Instead four things are necessary. First, the government should set up a formula with which companies can calculate their losses. This formula can come from sampling tranches especially by their age or vintage. Then the government needs to require that companies declare these losses publicly. Some might go bankrupt. But for the others, you can recapitalize in exchange for equity and mortgage titles.
Second, there are several ways of curbing excessive speculation. For oil markets, you can increase margins and reserve requirements. You can eliminate non-commercial traders and swaps too. For housing, covered warrants or something like them sound like a good idea.
Third, a lot of the higher order derivatives have to be nullified. This is the 5,000 lb gorilla in the room. No solution will work as long as these are floating out there. I hate quoting Warren Buffet but he said he never invested in something he didn’t understand and no one understands derivatives. There is also the point that by diluting risk to zero. Derivatives and more specifically the higher order ones eliminate moral hazard and promote stupid decisions. For this reason alone they need to be done away with.
Finally, the markets have to be re-regulated with Glass=Steagall, transparency, and executive salary formulas that promote productive endeavors over speculative short term profits pumping up share price to maximize executive option packages.
Helpful, thanks.
So a system of 24/7 news updates, and incredibly expensive political campaigns operated by lobbyists isn’t helping provide the kinds of national leadership necessary to think long term…?
I put my faith in Google. At least they look farther ahead than four years.
Either that or the McCain campaign will announce that McCain was the one who stepped in to NOT make ANY deal from happening to protect the American people from the Democrats & George Bush? Could be. So far, his whole campaign has been a stage act. Spit.
No it’s NOT “a crazy idea”. I vote wholeheartedly for it.
Thanks for nice column.
I was wondering where you got the estimate of $20 billion to buy up and refinance the mortgages on the real property a few days ago? I would like to read some details on how such mortgage rescue workout program would work, but not sure where to go.
(Sorry for the delay in asking, but my computer got done busted. And I am pissed because I asked FDL to pay for the new one, and would smash my new computer if you didn’t. I’ve heard squat from you people! What is with you folks, anyway?)
I am not sure I trust Rep. Frank (and I read that you definitely do not trust him). But I liked his idea to pass any kind of bill that would limit that amount of money they could waste until after the election or Jan 21 next year. The most hopeful thing I heard was some Democrats saying that they would give them $100 billion over next few months. I very strongly support a new HOLC, cram down/haircut (or whatever lingo it is), taxpayer equity and no resuce until you go bankrupt provisions. But, not sure whether any provisions will help because I do not trust executive not to subvert them through criminality or incompetence.
Looks like they are going to try to limit it to $200-$250 billion, which I think is too high and is disappointing to me.
But that makes the other reasonable alternative of doing nothing until after the election more attractive, except for maybe money market funds and similar institutions, if they cannnot function. But maybe I am ignorant of how bad things can get in one months time. Why not watch the risk spreads for now and see whether they go down.
I would tell the admin: “You people are hopeless, I give up. You get $100 billion until Jan 21, 2009 to defer End of the World. I do not want to see you again.” That would be my bargaining strategy -use power of the purse to limit damage until election. If McCain wins, it is over, no matter what deal is struck now.
I think I looked that up once, and the time was actually 912 days.
The stock market seemed to do fine today even without the money. What gives? The vultures just playing games until they get their next credit card from the American people? Spit.
cold turkey time.
Shrub’s epitath should read like Percy Blythe Shelley’s Ozymandias’: “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains: round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
So much for the ‘liquidity’ argument; if an $85 BILLION revolving credit facility isn’t enough ‘liquidity’ than what is?
http://www.marketwatch.com/new…..aspx?guid={55FEB509-F770-47C9-BDB9-091CA471D3FC}
That’s a marriage of the damned if ever there was one.
“except for maybe money market funds” ; already done by the government; all are now ‘guaranteed’ by the Treasury.
Bailout amount equals what? Oh, that figure.
According to the NYT the proposed deal has fallen apart. Now what?
sorta related. i’ve been trying to track down what happened on the 18th. from yesterday’s hearing we heard this from Kanjorski (sorry about the caps, it’s the transcript from CSPAN):
more info from, i’m ashamed to say, today’s republican JEC report that appears to confirm what we heard from Kanjorski, and furthermore fits with the timing of the emergency meeting with congressional leaders on the evening of the 18th.
I suppose I should add that I assume JP Morgan is hoping that Paulson will bailout WAMU and it will be left with just the good stuff. I say let JP Morgan take over WAMU but cut them out of the bailout.
Per devilstower at Dkos:
The market went up in anticipation of a deal.
Don’t worry — if the deal unravels, those here rooting for financial Armageddon to show those “Wall Street Fat Cats” will get their wish.
He’s doing his math wrong. 85 billion divided by 200 million is 425 dollars.
Er, that was a response to 29.
“The rescue plan itself is not so much about Wall Street or the stock market, as it is the credit market. Make no mistake, the current issues were brought about by reckless disregard of common-sense financial realities by borrowers, lenders, investment bankers, ratings agencies, institutional investors, regulators and government authorities. Everyone involved was looking out for his or her own interests, and willing to assume the party could continue forever.”
AND that includes the foreign nations Ian is talking about.
Worth reading: http://www.marketwatch.com/new…..aspx?guid={CDF71687-E0D4-4210-8F4B-E5DC7B6E0342}&dist=hplatest
When I heard Paulson on CSPAN earlier this week.. he said he didn’t expect to spend more than 50 billion per month. I immediately thought, there is the real (new) number and Congress’s out.
Asking for 700 Billion makes everyone thrilled about tossing a quarter trillion to Mr. Risk just to get him to shut up.
Oh, sorry, I just pulled it out of my butt. It would take far more than that to do it for everyone who needs it, I expect. I was just saying “why not 20 billion for this as long as were throwing money around”?
I agree that limiting the money till there’s a new Secretary is a good idea, but I think Frank’s overall plan was very very bad. Just flushing the money away. Still, better to flush more money than less.
Then I’m against the idea; thanks for doing the math.
something else from the Republican JEC report that happened on the 18th (and maybe this is all old news to everyone here?):
my bold
CDOs are about the credit market yes. and the specific short term problem is LIBOR and TED spreads.
But, in fact, there’s plenty of money out there. Private equity raised, iirc, 325 billion this year. It’s just that one part of the system is close to seizing up. And that is based on a preference for liquidity/cash more than fear of defaults on the part of other banks. Who knows when you’re going to need cash to buy up some competitor who just got run over by a bus.
I didn’t say they could count correctly ;-)
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Republicans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Px2Hi7ZA4
Notice it’s not 50. The key thing is to make sure they don’t have control. Up to 49.9999999 they can have. But never 50+1
It’s kind of amazing how the media have taken up the $700 billion number like it is some kind of physical constant like the speed of light or the atomic weight of gold, instead of just being made up on the basis of nothing at all.
Hahaha. Good figures, I’ll have to use them, but he’s entirely forgetting something: the problem is leverage. If it was just default rates this wouldn’t be a crisis, it would be a recession, maybe a bad one, but just a recession.
yeah. i also notice it didn’t happen.
“One group of House GOP lawmakers circulated an alternative that would put much less focus on a government takeover of failing institutions’ sour assets. This proposal would have the government provide insurance to companies that agree to hold frozen assets, rather than have the government purchase the assets. Rep Eric Cantor, R-Va., said the idea would be to remove the burden of the bailout from taxpayers and place it, over time, on Wall Street instead.” —- Ian, your thoughts on this please.
Ian,given what you know and have been so generous to share with the rest of us, tell us , where do you think we will be, that is those that don’t qualify the “rich”, in 6 months?
A Bailout We Don’t Need By James K. Galbraith
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..03033.html
Another call for a HOLC and more.
Anyone find any advance clips of tonight’s Letterman? Wasnt to know if he’s still on a rant about McCane.
Sorry for confusion, I was citing money market guarantee as something already in place as an example of kind of thing needed to tide us over, not suggesting that as a next step.
The market is buying into the idea that they are gonna make huge amounts og money if the are bailed out…it’s that simple. Invest if you are going to make money, ditch when you aren’t. When the market jumps like a monkey for a banana it’s time for us bananas to worry!
Seems to me we had a similar problem in 2003 after the fall of Baghdad. The US asked other countries to help with the cost of the occupation and gee! For some odd reason, they said no! I mean, even though the US had acted more or less alone (Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had Micronesia and Bulgaria with us, so we weren’t entirely alone) and completely ignored their very well-founded objections before the start of the war, they couldn’t put their annoyance aside and help out, even though Bush didn’t offer to restore Russia and France’s oilfields to them.
They’re a bunch of vultures right now looking for a big scrap. I detest them all at the moment.
Deeper in recession, basically. More job losses, higher interest rates on credit cards, might even lose access to some credit, and so on. Not the end of the world, but a nasty recession. Of course, depending on how it’s handled it might turn into something worse than a nasty recession.
Oh, and inflation.
But a lot does depend on what’s done by various actors such as Congress and Bernanke.
We should also tax transactions in securities and commodities.
There is a little more to why they are scrambling.
Sept. 30 is the deadline for compliance with Basel 2.
The whole ponzie scheme of mortgage backed direvetives is going to collapse.
There ain’t no money.
http://www.developer.com/java/…..hp/3403901
Americantax payer: lift haunches. Prepare for insertion of the big one.
Wow. This is a real surprise, They said there will be a October surpris.
Will, have I got news for you. You’d better get some hip waders. It’s
not October yet.
I’ll give you a hint. You and your children will wish to God amighty you’d
never heard of George W. Bush.
Nice plan, but you’re off by a factor of 1000.
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