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	<title>Comments on: (UPDATED) Have Dems Agreed to let Bush and Paulson Rob America One More Time?  It&#8217;s Back To Dodd and Reid</title>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It could be a beginning. The problem is representative democracy doesn’t work anymore. Our representatives have no way of knowing what their constituents want, this is assuming they are honest and not in the bag. The only alternative to representative democracy is for we the people to do it ourselves. Most of us are not ready for the responsibility of making decisions for the group generally. We prefer to bitch about those that do. We are, however, running out of wiggle room. Do we have a viable alternative? That is the question.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be a beginning. The problem is representative democracy doesn’t work anymore. Our representatives have no way of knowing what their constituents want, this is assuming they are honest and not in the bag. The only alternative to representative democracy is for we the people to do it ourselves. Most of us are not ready for the responsibility of making decisions for the group generally. We prefer to bitch about those that do. We are, however, running out of wiggle room. Do we have a viable alternative? That is the question.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think I’ve suddenly become a free market conservative! Some of these Wall Street companies simply have to go out of business. It’s part of a natural correction in the market. Well, the FBI might help too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I’ve suddenly become a free market conservative! Some of these Wall Street companies simply have to go out of business. It’s part of a natural correction in the market. Well, the FBI might help too.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Given this kind of gutlessness, Bob Barr is starting to look good.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s just the caffeine talking. Stop reading the tea leaves and use them to make a drink with hot water and maybe some sugar or cream. I feel certain you’ll enjoy it and Bob Barr will fade from your thoughts. You can take that dream on a night train to Georgia and have Georgia on your mind and dream of peanuts and peanut butter and great soul food.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, in Atlanta there’s a great old restaurant called Pitty Pat’s Porch. It’s probably the oldest in town and it’s great — live music too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given this kind of gutlessness, Bob Barr is starting to look good.</p>
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<p>That’s just the caffeine talking. Stop reading the tea leaves and use them to make a drink with hot water and maybe some sugar or cream. I feel certain you’ll enjoy it and Bob Barr will fade from your thoughts. You can take that dream on a night train to Georgia and have Georgia on your mind and dream of peanuts and peanut butter and great soul food.</p>
<p>BTW, in Atlanta there’s a great old restaurant called Pitty Pat’s Porch. It’s probably the oldest in town and it’s great — live music too.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just a thought off the top of my head:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it not possible that all these institutional investors took money out of Money Markets all at once to invest in something else? Like the stock market that just tanked and may by some be seen as a bargain?
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&lt;p&gt;Has the market gone back up as a result of some investments?&lt;br /&gt;
More likely they are holding onto cash to stay solvent and, in the case of banks, to be sure they meet their federal bank reserve requirement.&lt;/p&gt;
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Why does this have to be seen as a crisis except that the Money Markets broke the dollar?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because banks aren’t lending to anybody holding mortgages (and that’s a lot of people) money (via credit) isn’t flowing and that slows the economy, eventually to a very low level.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Just a thought off the top of my head:</p>
<p>Is it not possible that all these institutional investors took money out of Money Markets all at once to invest in something else? Like the stock market that just tanked and may by some be seen as a bargain?
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<p>Has the market gone back up as a result of some investments?<br />
More likely they are holding onto cash to stay solvent and, in the case of banks, to be sure they meet their federal bank reserve requirement.</p>
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Why does this have to be seen as a crisis except that the Money Markets broke the dollar?
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<p>Because banks aren’t lending to anybody holding mortgages (and that’s a lot of people) money (via credit) isn’t flowing and that slows the economy, eventually to a very low level.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I keep coming back to the belief that America has reached an endpoint.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After the Bush administration is gone that nightmare will end. You might still feel groggy, but that will pass.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I keep coming back to the belief that America has reached an endpoint.</p>
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<p>After the Bush administration is gone that nightmare will end. You might still feel groggy, but that will pass.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You should probably get mad at the system put in place in the 1970’s that allowed investment banks to take part in speculation in the residential market. These people are performing (poorly) a task that is essential to the economy. That’s why the dems have no negotiating room; …&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why should anyone get mad at something which apparently worked well enough for 30 years?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, something happened in the last ten years and that has Phil Gramm’s name all over it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dems don’t need to negotiate now. We OWN this and can toss it in the trash or offer whatever we want. I only hope they see this as an American problem which needs a solid bipartisan solution. No rush job, sound economics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You should probably get mad at the system put in place in the 1970’s that allowed investment banks to take part in speculation in the residential market. These people are performing (poorly) a task that is essential to the economy. That’s why the dems have no negotiating room; …</p>
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<p>Why should anyone get mad at something which apparently worked well enough for 30 years?</p>
<p>No, something happened in the last ten years and that has Phil Gramm’s name all over it.</p>
<p>Dems don’t need to negotiate now. We OWN this and can toss it in the trash or offer whatever we want. I only hope they see this as an American problem which needs a solid bipartisan solution. No rush job, sound economics.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;        “It’s not based on any particular data point,” a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. “We just wanted to choose a really large number.”
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you kidding me? He really said they just picked a ‘really big number’?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s dead. You cannot sell $700B to anybody once they know you just made it up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now Dems get to throw all the oversight, reporting, restrictions, exec compensation and anything else they want on the table and demand it be accepted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dem arguments will be based on something real. That trumps b.s. every time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>        “It’s not based on any particular data point,” a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. “We just wanted to choose a really large number.”
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<p>Are you kidding me? He really said they just picked a ‘really big number’?</p>
<p>It’s dead. You cannot sell $700B to anybody once they know you just made it up.</p>
<p>Now Dems get to throw all the oversight, reporting, restrictions, exec compensation and anything else they want on the table and demand it be accepted.</p>
<p>Dem arguments will be based on something real. That trumps b.s. every time.</p>
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		<title>By: TippecanoeAndTylerToo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TippecanoeAndTylerToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why does anyone care about getting percentages of the companies we are bailing out? These companies are all but guaranteed to fail if they government has a percentage? Why? Because the people who run these companies will look at them and say, “I can work hard for this company which already has a crippled outlook because even if we recover, half of all our profits go to the government. OR I can leave this company and engage in the exact same activity for a new company, where I will reap 100% of the benefit of my work.” Which do you think they’ll choose?&lt;br /&gt;
Any company that the government has a stake in will lose all quality employees, and quickly go out of business. Pushing for this requirement is not a good expenditure of time or political capital.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does anyone care about getting percentages of the companies we are bailing out? These companies are all but guaranteed to fail if they government has a percentage? Why? Because the people who run these companies will look at them and say, “I can work hard for this company which already has a crippled outlook because even if we recover, half of all our profits go to the government. OR I can leave this company and engage in the exact same activity for a new company, where I will reap 100% of the benefit of my work.” Which do you think they’ll choose?<br />
Any company that the government has a stake in will lose all quality employees, and quickly go out of business. Pushing for this requirement is not a good expenditure of time or political capital.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But unless he’s got the caucus behind him, I don’t know if that will work. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And presumably, Schumer’s got his lasers focused on bailing out Wall Street — he’s had his finer moments (USAGs), but he’s gotta be Wall Street’s guy in DC.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether the caucus is behind Dodd or not, he should do what he thinks is right anyway.  If he caves, he’s only going to get rolled.  He showed principle on FISA, and IMHO he’s capable of showing spine when he believes that there are principles involved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if the Dems participate in bailing out Wall Street — even with CEO payments capped, and even with ‘oversight’, I’m going to view them with utter contempt and derision.  They’re acting like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off — ‘Oh, please, just let us be on camera asking Hard, Tough Questions, then we’ll go bleating off like sheep and step off the cliff to bail out Bu$hCo’s sorry, sleazy asses.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given this kind of gutlessness, Bob Barr is starting to look good.&lt;br /&gt;
Jeebuz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But unless he’s got the caucus behind him, I don’t know if that will work. </p>
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<p>And presumably, Schumer’s got his lasers focused on bailing out Wall Street — he’s had his finer moments (USAGs), but he’s gotta be Wall Street’s guy in DC.  </p>
<p>Whether the caucus is behind Dodd or not, he should do what he thinks is right anyway.  If he caves, he’s only going to get rolled.  He showed principle on FISA, and IMHO he’s capable of showing spine when he believes that there are principles involved.</p>
<p>And if the Dems participate in bailing out Wall Street — even with CEO payments capped, and even with ‘oversight’, I’m going to view them with utter contempt and derision.  They’re acting like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off — ‘Oh, please, just let us be on camera asking Hard, Tough Questions, then we’ll go bleating off like sheep and step off the cliff to bail out Bu$hCo’s sorry, sleazy asses.’</p>
<p>Given this kind of gutlessness, Bob Barr is starting to look good.<br />
Jeebuz.</p>
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		<title>By: just</title>
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		<dc:creator>just</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After eight years of failing to be able to grab social security funds and place them in the hands of Wall Street this is their final gambit.  Not only do they get billions, they also leave any democratic administration financially incapacitated.  It’s a double whammy.  Similarly, the “crisis” is a win-win proposition. Either the democrats cave in to their demands, or the democrats are responsible when the chickens inevitably come home to roost.  Please democrats, haven’t we already seen this movie?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After eight years of failing to be able to grab social security funds and place them in the hands of Wall Street this is their final gambit.  Not only do they get billions, they also leave any democratic administration financially incapacitated.  It’s a double whammy.  Similarly, the “crisis” is a win-win proposition. Either the democrats cave in to their demands, or the democrats are responsible when the chickens inevitably come home to roost.  Please democrats, haven’t we already seen this movie?</p>
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