Almost every weekend for the last month, there has been an extra-ordinary announcement from the financial world and the White House. The financial system is rattling apart, and while the poor card player may blame his cards, the expert knows when there has been a crooked deal.
From nationalizing the mortgage market by taking over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, to the bankruptcy of Lehman brothers, to the demand that Congress write a bottomless blank check to Secretary of the Treasury Hank Paulson to bail out the investment bank he once ran, and others like it. But in this whirlwind there has been almost no explanation of why there is a sudden rush to do something.
This two part essay hopes to fill that gap. The first part gives a general background of how this happened, and the second part fills in why there is a perceived crisis at this moment, and what is missing from the proposals that now shuttle the halls of Congress.
Lack of Investment Supply
Last October certain mortgage lenders with very risky strategies began having problems collecting on the mortgages they made. Many of them were sold to people who had hoped to buy a house with nothing down, use sweat equity to improve it, and sell it at a huge profit quickly. When the houses sat, they dumped or even walked away. Normally this would be a tiny sliver of the market, but the only difference between the most aggressive of flippers, and the rest of the housing market, is that the flippers were late to the party. The major home builders had been putting up houses at a fantastic rate. However, the American boom was not much different than the global housing boom. Prices for homes shot up in Europe and China, and by similar amounts when adjusted for currency. Very little is good or evil in itself, but more as we make of it. The global housing bubble turned to global housing slump rapidly because the world had been building too many houses. Even before 2007 was over home prices decline for the first time in the post-WWII era. However, the market had, in fact, peaked in mid 2005.
The as yet undeclared recession of late 2007 early 2008 made this spiral: For the first time since the end of the Second World War, Americans owed more on houses than they had equity. As a whole Americans are "upside down."
But it was not merely a home bust which created this great and growing wave of crisis, but the fundamentals of the economy itself. Fundamentals that reach down into the decision to go to war in Iraq. In 2002, by not shaving down Bush’s majorities in two houses of Congress, Americans decided they wanted an economy based on building houses here, blowing them up in Iraq, and creating a vast web of paper tied to the bet that Iraq would be a resounding success, oil would plunge, and we could sprawl out farther and farther for ever.
Even as the world hated George W. Bush, it bet heavily that he would work out.
The underlying problem then, is not the housing bust, since that could be dealt with by a relatively modest FDIC bail out of banks and changes to Freddie and Fannie, nor even the wall of paper that was created, since that could be dealt with by cleaning up a few toxic funds. It is that the very basic bet of the economy was wrong.
The very bet was that war and debt were all that was needed to grow for ever. Because every cent was being poured either into the war, or houses, or into gambling double and triple that these would expand forever, there was no money for anything else. The root evil was that, on one hand, Greenspan ran interest rates at unsustainably low levels, and on the other hand, the free market fundamentalism of the age allowed these to be turned into a riot of consumption. We had a war, with war time spending, and without wartime austerity. It is mistakes like this that brought down the French Monarchy, among other regimes with delusions of grandeur.
Because of this, the wall of paper was created: there was a lack of investment supply. Investment demand is money looking for returns. Every time someone buys a stock, or bond, the are creating investment demand. Investment supply are businesses that can pay the cost of money. It was a vicious circle: the more money flooded into home building and buying, the less there was for anything else. And homes in the US had a magical property, behind the mortgages and the banks, stood an implied bail out by the US government, which meant the citizens and residents of the US.
What made this wall of paper dangerous was that it was backed by the housing stock of the US, which, in turn, is the basis for banks to be able to issue new loans. Very directly, the amount of money that can be created by the United States, is tied to the assets on the books of banks, and several trillion dollars of that, is home equity. With more loaned out on homes, than could be gotten from homes, even at inflated prices, the financial system was tap dancing on a land mine.
Too Big to Fail.
‘Too Big to Fail’ will be the new order of the day. And guess who gets left holding the bag when they’re too big to fail? One of these monsters goes down, and it will cost as much as the whole S&L debacle.
Molly Ivins October 26, 1999
(Hat tip to Karina Newton for finding this one.)
The root cause of the problem was not, then the deregulation or wall of paper, it was the fundamental corruption of the American economic system. Deregulation and mortgage backed securities, were merely the murder weapon. In the 1990’s it had been setting up fake markets and using financial theory to exploit leverage between government bonds and corporate bonds. In the 1980’s it was profits from an oil boom coupled with high interest rates through unregulated Saving’s and Loans, which had been, you guessed it deregulated by a partial repeal of Glass-Steagall provisions.. Obvious the S&L crisis taught Wall Street that if you want to rob a bank, the best way is to get Congress to deregulate the bank.
Whenever people want a casino, they find someplace, preferably someplace considered stodgy, to set it up. Until Enron, utility stocks were considered best for little old ladies. Until Silverado, a Savings and Loan was the place were ordinary people borrowed enough money to build a small house. Until this wave of paper, consumer home mortgages were not the exciting place to be in banking. Regulations are taken off the books, and ones that are on the books are ignored. During the Reagan Era the thrift regulators were starved of staff and funds, and by the time they got them, the chain reaction which would blow up into the crisis, had already started. In this decade, capital cushions were routinely over stated.
We not only had bad laws, we enforced the ones we had badly. But this is because we badly wanted the money.
The truck that all of this was driven through was the repeal of the provisions of the same Depression Era law, namely the Second Glass-Steagall Act. Even at the time it was regarded as a mistake. It might even be a general principle that whenever someone decides to repeal a banking provision from the Great Depression, they may end up causing one.
The too big to fail principle coupled with the no rules, just riches attitude of the time, a loaded gun. But for a crime you need to prove means, motive, and opportunity. If deregulation was the means, and the Iraq War was the opportunity, what is the motive for pulling the trigger now on a plan to create a Federal program that is larger than the Department of Defense?
The sad story of the Savings and Loans, where a Democratic President and Congress start a chain of deregulation which, under a Republican President, becomes a license to open a casino with the public’s money, has been repeated now on a vastly larger scale.
Even 60 years later, the specter of the Great Crash still looms over us. Like the 1980s, the 1920s were a time of impressive economic performance in many ways, marred by unstable financial markets. And in spite of the many unresolved debates over what really caused the Great Depression, it still seems clear that in the end financial instability undermined the real economy. Certainly anyone today who dismisses financial events with the assertion that the economy is “fundamentally sound’ is aware of the slightly hollow echo of that remark, no matter how reasonable it may be.
Paul Krugman, Financial Crises in the International Economy , 1989
There is a remarkable amount of parallel between the savings and loan crisis and the present one. Deregulation by an outgoing Democratic president seized on by a Republican president to throw open the gates to speculation, regulators hamstrung or under funded, and then a bust followed by a bail out. Even many of the actors are the same: Steny Hoyer and Chuck Schumer both co-sponsored one of the deregulation bills, and Alan Greenspan, who set rates a generation lows in this crisis, assumed the Fed chairmanship.
A great many words were written, and many laws were passed, to avoid the same thing from happening again. Obviously, whatever was done, was not enough. The same pattern: of complex financial instruments built on top of the safe haven of housing, has led to the same place. In recent years we have remade cheap television shows as screen blockbusters at 10 times the price. This, has happened here.
E. Gerald Corrigan’s words printed in a 1989 NBER report seem oracular: he argued then that with complex instruments, even sophisticated investors would not be able to price them, let alone ordinary investors. It is interesting to look at the contributors to that report: Krugman, Summers, Feldstein, and Volcker are front and center today as well. The conclusion? That the risks of financial crisis are real, and that they can unravel even seemingly placid economies if met with the wrong policies.
This then is the general background: the objective of the whole Crooked Deal, was to turn ultra-low and safe interest rates, into highly speculative instruments, which could be traded with the belief that while they paid as if they were high risk, the risk would only come true of everything came crashing down, and at that point there would be a bail out. This is "lack of moral hazard" as Kenneth Arrow called it. But what turned the Crooked Deal into a house of cards on fire, was a series of triggers and missteps.
What set the stage, then, was an economy that did not have a really high powered sector of growth, but, instead, was suspended waiting for the flood of cheap oil promised in Iraq. The great financial houses shuffed a deck of crooked cards, and used the very low interest rates to fund building them high up into the stratosphere. Even such laws as were on the books, were ignored. Instead of cutting this off when it had peaked in 2005, a deliberate decision was made to let the economy run hot. Into this dangerous situation came Ben Bernanke as Fed Chairman, and Hank Paulson as Treasury Secretary, and a new Congressional majority that had little memory of how to deal with a lame duck opposition President effectively.
The second part of this essay will address how this exploded into the present crisis.
Related posts:
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- Obama’s Financial Overhaul — More Like a Tune-Up
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- The Consumer Financial Protection Agency: A Small Victory for the Good Guys





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Thanks Stirling
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As I looked more and more into the history of the S&L crisis to write this, I felt more and more as if they were filming the same screen play, with the same actors in many cases.
Bush does not care. He’s still wealthy. His family is still wealthy. Both are probably even wealthier thanks to his time in office. Bush is not even involved in managing this crisis. He’s just bike riding and grinning.
Here’s a theory, possibly a little tin-foily, but I’m not claiming it to be the only reason for the current demands of the financial sector, just a contributing factor:
The Bush tax cuts are scheduled to expire soon. There seems little chance that they’ll be extended. In order to keep “drowning government in the bathtub”, an ongoing financial crisis is engineered to come to a head just before the elections to soak up all (and more) of the increased revenue expected from those tax increases on the wealthy, ensuring that little to none of it can be allocated to increased services or tax cuts for the middle and lower classes.
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Stirling, thanks so much for this. One of the things that has been plaguing me about all of this is how many lessons were clearly NOT learned from the last round of savings and loan bailouts and craptastic deregulation non-oversight idiocy. You’d think McCain, of all people given his Keating 5 exposure, would have learned something from it. But he’s surrounded himself with the same people who continually facilitate deregulation efforts on the Hill.
It’s just bizarre. Especially since I haven’t seen much discussion of that in the press up to now. Thoughts?
O/T–Christy up on AirAmerica/Rachel Maddow program.
great link.
The best way to think about this is a “heads I win, tails you lose” paradigm. If Iraq works out, cheap oil and a housing boom. If it doesn’t, massive oil profits and a government bail out that hamstrings programs.
If the bail out works, they are heros, if it fails it is because of someone else.
But I don’t think the people are in a mood to be fooled by this one, because this bail out is so far beyond what they see as necessary or right, as to offend their sensibilities. When even Barons is calling it “Bernanke’s Blunder” it has got to be obvious.
The housing market was collapsing even before the middle of 2005, but it was being called a ’slowdown’ then, and the more optimistic were thinking it would turn around ’soon’ (and some were still saying that as recently as this summer).
sorry to be slightly o/t but who is the white haired R congressman who keeps showing up on TV saying McCain has the taxpayers’ interest in mind when discussing the bail out?
He just said that the dems want to “add” to the bill, as in add requirements, add this add that, like that’s a bad thing? Keep the bill clean and simple and that is looking out for taxpayers!!
It was preposterous!!!
Until the GOP starts demanding an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, they don’t take this seriously enough.
Thank you.
Mike Pence, (R-IN)
Christy–Stars for the information you shared/discussed with Rachel. I was aware of most of the topics . . . but had failed to consider that Palin was one who benefited (mightily) from actions of our feminist forbears and yet wants to deny those same benefits to other women!
Since I’ve retired from meaningful commentary,* all I bring you are dog pictures – though this one is political http://evilparalleluniverse.blogspot.com/
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* If I were to write about anything political, nah….everything I wrote about the 2006 election still stands. So why repeat myself. It’ll be all dems in 2008, nothing to worry about (and I will point out, b/c it is repeatedly asserted in the prog blogosphere, that the CM was no different in 2006 than it is today (or it was worse in 2006 than it is today since the CM seems to be miffed at St. BBQ) and how/what they reported didn’t matter then and doesn’t matter now). Voters are paying attention, that’s all that matters, just like in 2006.
This is one reason why I expect all pols to cave on any reasonable “governance” for taxpayers.
There’s the rich ruling class (D or R), and there’s the rest of us.
He and Shelby and some other Republicans are doing an end run on the White House.
Per selise’s 7, imho, liberals need their help to put the brakes on, so that the government can do a bailout that works and that assigns meaningful financial and criminal consequences to Wall Street.
Thank you for explaining how the costs of the war figure into this mess. It was a stupendous gamble.
Do you see asset deflation, hyperinflation from printing money, perhaps both? In what order, how do they interact, and in what time frame?
Thanks, Stirling, much appreciated as always.
And yes, b/c I know you are wondering, I am still omniscient.
thanks. he’s getting a lot of air time. Is he one of those “fresh faces” of the “new” GOP? carrying a lot of water, he is.
so, no matter what happens on our little spot on the planet, all is well?
Great post! Christy, I just heard you here in LA on Rachel’s show. Great job
To do a peak at the next installment, we’ve been circling an acute problem for sometime, one that the public has not been told about. This outbreak has lead Paulson to believe he has his “shock doctrine” moment that will allow him to set his stamp on how this is dealt with.
Hmmmm. Defense industry doing quite well through all this.
This is why this country needs much stronger unionization. I love the law half our nation uses: Right to Work state. Translation: The employer can screw you around however he or she chooses and fire you for some slick, con-like reason. Any thought of a democracy should be left at the door before entering the workplace. The typical corporation can be appropriately described as a psychopath if you take all its characteristics and use it to define a person. Profit first, everything else is expendible.
yes, but not necessarily because of malevolence. a lot of people seem to really buy into the ideology.
This is what “too big to fail” and “must bailout now” is all about. We gambled, we took the profits home in the form of huge bonusses. Now, because we’re too big to fail, you have to pay off our gambling debts.
Hold that thought.
Hi EPU. I’m an old timer, so I know this thread will end soon.
Please come back and tell us when some of your third party candidates gets on a local ballot.
All is well enough for me.
And, with regards to politics, our long national nightmare will be over in January, 2009.
As for the economy? It’ll suck as much as suck can suck, and the ridiculous bailouts of investors who knew the risk and reaped the rewardwill only make it suck more.*
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True story. When I got out of law school I wrote prospectuses for billions of dollars of CMO/MBS deals. First thing I was taught was that they were NOT guaranteed. Implicit my ass.
I think I summed this up a while ago on my blog:
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com…..-home.html
Hi Boo. Is the myth of the EPU no longer taught to the youngsters around blogfires?
Meltzer and Krugman just on PBS NewsHour. Krugman wants warrants, i.e., stock in the banks, but says something has to be done – not immediately but soon. Meltzer says it’s a raid on the Treasury and far from certain that anything needs to be done. When pressed, says it would be OK to loan the banks money, but they have to pay it back, with no bonuses or dividends in the meantime.
Of course you are and I like your dog. :)
In addition to getting out of Iraq/Afghanistan, if the Democrats had spine they would force Bush and the GOP to make public statements supporting specific tax increases to pay for this, before signing-off.
I haven’t been in the comments much lately. I’m not a good one to ask.
O/T – looking for Marcy, bmaz, any other lawyers?
I just saw a news scroll that said Troy Davis’ death penalty case got a stay or something this morning. Anyone know the details? Does this mean SCOTUS will move up their hearing?
A famous report on mortgage and housing market troubles from early 2007, which follows up on observations of difficulty going back to 2003.
If the myth of the EPU is no longer taught on the
prog blogosphereat FDL, then the world is worse off.Isn’t there a test new commentators have to pass concerning All
InternetFDL Traditions, or at least an affirmation?Us Supreme Court Stays Georgia Execution
EPU!!! Long time no see!!! Aloha!
great. when can we hope to see the next installment? soon, i hope.
i didn’t see this morning’s testimony before the senate banking committee (will try to find time to watch it on the c-span archives, and catch the house financial services committee hearing tomorrow). but from other recent action, i agree.
one of the things that naomi klein has spoken about (i haven’t read her book yet, so i hope to be corrected if i’m wrong on this) is that the the shock doctrine works because there are previously prepared “solutions” to the current crisis. and to counter that we must have our own alternative to offer – because just rejecting the ones that are proposed is not enough when the crisis apparently calls for some action.
i’ve read dodd’s proposal and do not think well of it. are there any other alternatives we might support?
I’d show up more if my Myth weren’t being forgotten. The Firepugs shouldn’t be EPU’ing without knowing it’s history, or the omniscient Evil Parallel Universe with which it is synonomous.
Thanks very much for the link.
thank goddess for that. i was worried that it was going to go through
And yes – Che is wearing a camouflage harness – the Commandante Zero model.
Is the bailout constitutional?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat…..FC9LZhr7sF
thanks dakine. I’m not very good with the search engine thingy and can never seem to find what I am looking for. Appreciate the help.
Now of those black-robed vultures will just give him a new trial.
Breaking, per the WSJ Berkshire to Invest $5 Billion in Goldman
When the question is raised by a young grasshoppah, then the story of EPU is told.
But not as many are asking what the legend means these days.
The hypocracy from these republic assholes about this whole thing is really shocking, I don’t know why these bastards continue to surprise because I know there is nothing they won’t do.
David Gregory is a stupid fuck.
good news. thank you.
You mean this is not the proper definition…? ;-)
That saddens me. If an acronym falls in the blogosphere, does it make a sound? Damn right it does.
http://www.urbandictionary.com…..rm=EPU%27d
I always liked this one, by Rayne (she called me thoughtful):
EPU, EPU’d
Acronym for “Evil Parallel Universe”, name of a long-time, popular commenter at FireDogLake; acronym “EPU’d” used to describe condition in which a commenter posts at the end of a comment thread as a new thread begins, often without realizing the new thread has started. Evil Parallel Universe often EPU’d himself because his comments were thoughtful and dense in content; by the time he’d completed and submitted his comment in response to a comment mid-thread, he would wind up at the end of a thread with many users having moved on to the new thread.
It’s hard to type while beating the drum of the EPU myth. and it hangs up the server. :P
You owe me a Coke, EPU! ;-)
John McCain and his so called economic team are, indeed, a nightmare. Gramm?
But one thing we should take away from all of this is that it has been a bi-partisan rush to create openings for arcane finance. Two of the cosponsors of the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 were…
Chuck Schumer and Steny Hoyer.
The reality here is that an entire era is being indicted. Certain the Republican party has been far worse, far far worse, but in the world of financial institution money, and a reckless unwillingness to come to terms with the essential problems, the Democratic Party, which should have been repairing and renovating the regulatory structure, was busy aiding in the condemning of it.
Hi EPU!
I just heard Sherrod Brown on NPR. He called this the Bush-Cheney-McCain-Paulson plan, and the reporter “called him on it” with respect to McCain.
I thought for sure he was going to mention the Keating 5, because that’s just the perfect setup for bringing it up. But he didn’t.
W T F ?
McCain was in the middle of exactly this same mess last time around, even corruptly enjoying ill-gotten gains from it, and you take a pass on mentioning it when you get the question?
W T F?
Fair enough.
i don’t know where i first read this (maybe you?), but i like bernie sanders‘ comment on “too big to fail”
Stirling – Welcome to the Lake! a genuine pleasure to have you join us, and what a boffo post ! please, come back soon
i’ll call his office tomorrow and bawl them out.
Not knowing to bring up Keating Five is like not knowing your times tables or something.
If Iraq had worked out, at most it might have accounted for about a 3% increase in daily world oil supplies. So Iraq was never going to lead to cheap oil or gas.
Excessive speculation in the oil markets really took off in 2004 when year end to year end prices rose by 1/3.
There were problems with mortgage lenders throughout 2006 and the first ones failed in very early 2007.
Money went to speculation over traditional lending because the promised returns were higher, and instruments like default swaps promised to hedge the losses.
It was at this point that moral hazard went out the window. In theory, there was a greater fool out there to cover the shortfalls.
Deregulation, lack of oversight, and derivative paper speculation are precisely what formed this corruption of the system. If these had not happened it would be difficult to see what corruption of the system would mean.
In bubbles there is always a failed bet. Upside speculation acts as if it will go on forever but as we know it only goes on until there are no more greater fools. Except as I have previously pointed, you have Goldman Sachs’ Paulson setting the government and taxpayers up to be the last fool in the chain.
Ah, Molly. “Too Big to Fail” has got to be the main playbook of the Bush Oligarchy. The system they watered and fed was on the theme that “Bigger is Better.” Bigness was encouraged. And then, of course, the Fascist compact: Businesses so big that they could not be allowed to fail– meaning that if they screwed up, the government could squeeze the hoi polloi, or their children, or their grandchildren.
I must be getting delirious. Enron must have been the first warning sign. But it was ignored. GWB acts like a rich fratboy whose only real skills, at any sign of trouble, are (a) to cheat, or (b) to get someone else to do your homework, or (c) to call Daddy’s lawyer to fix everything.
I heard it on Thom Hartmann today while interviewing Bernie Sanders. He must be saying it a lot these days.
JoFish is upstairs with more…
where are my manners? welcome to the Lake and what an awesome post.
I knew schoomie was dirty.
oh Omniscient One, Didn’t know about the commenting retirement thing, thought you were just really busy. wish you’d rejoin us in the threads – you are sorely missed here
love, love, love Che’s pics :D
depressing example from the nyt:
my bold.
I am actually really busy. Working on some cool start-ups and what not.
But I did retire before I got busy.
Che has kept his uber puppy cuteness. He’s at least 15 lbs too, he’s more than tripled in weight.
And thank you for the kind words.
second that.
Which Clinton did sign into law. However, we need to look one step deeper. Why did everyone want a deregulated banking sector? Because we needed it to create paper to sell to buy oil.
To make an analogy, banking excess is the petty larceny that the oil addicted America turned to, to finance it’s nasty habits.
cbl2 – All I say about St. BBQ is that he’s always reminded me of Mr. 911 (and I have that in print from before his ridiculous VP pick, and witnesses), and that once people got to know the “real” St. BBQ his campaign, and polling popularity, would falter. I still think it will happen and we are seeing it now. It always amazed me that Mr. 911 was ever taken seriously, and he hung in longer than I thought he would or could, but he eventually turned to dust.
My other thought is that St BBQ really doesn’t want to be preznit. Sure, he wanted the nomination to prove he could do it/people like him/get back at Chimpy and Chimpco. But he wants to go play with Mrs. St BBQ’s millions, which sure sounds like more fun than being preznit to me. So, once he had the nomination, he’s run the campaign you’d expect – mailing it in, not giving a shit, listening to the wingnuts, etc. He’s a moron, and I don’t want to give him more credit then he deserves, but if you add not caring to his moronity, that’s a potent combination for failure at historic levels.
YMMV (though I am still omniscient).
would you explain further? i don’t understand. oil was not expensive in the ’90s. also, there was deregulation in many markets – not just banking (telecommunications, for example).
More on the Molly Ivins quote–
Let’s not forget about ballooning bigness among the
* Airlines
* Banks
* Exxon
And let’s not forget the battle to keep the Netroots Free and Open.
There are reports (NPR this morning?) that social networking programs like Facebook are having a revolutionary effect in Middle Eastern countries with repressive governments that lack freedom of the press, such as Egypt. Facebook is, to the modern Egyptian, what Tom Paine’s pamphletts were to American Revolutionaries.
Bob in HI
I saw a bit of Bernanke’s (very cerebral) testimony this morning, and I don’t know what to make of it. Here’s what I thought I heard:
There are two prices for these assets in question, the “Fire Sale Price” and the “Mature Market Price”. The FSP is what they would fetch if they had to be sold this instant. The MMP is what they would fetch if they were held for an indefinite length of time and then sold at some optimal time.
The problem we are facing is caused by “the market” not knowing — here my eyes started to glaze over — either it was the FSP or the MMP. Alarm bells, terrible things happening, death and destruction, the end of the world as we know it.
So, the government wades in armed with huge quantities of cash and starts to buy the assets. “The market” watches. When it sees what the government is paying for the assets, it then knows what the FSP or MMP is. Problem solved. No death and destruction. We all go back about our business.
I shake my head. Did he just say that $700B is well spent in an attempt to provide “the market” with a single number? That’s IT??!! No pretense that some structural failing either exists or is going to be corrected? No admission that this may not be a terribly well designed experiment in the first place, featuring, as it does, as entirely atypical purchaser waving about entirely atypical amounts of money in an entirely atypical atmosphere?
Even presuming that “the market” can understand what it sees happening, how does anyone prevent the sellers from offloading the very worst of their assets to the government and/or the government being able to ascertain what it should rightfully pay under the best of circumstances?
Come to think of it, if the government knows how much it ought to pay for the assets, why can’t “the market” be that smart; why does “the market” need help figuring out the price? If, on the other hand, the government (practically by definition) cannot know beforehand what the assets being purchased are worth, it it being used as a rube?
Or was there something else that Bernanke said that I missed (although I watched his whole spiel)? Or is there something that Bernanke ought to have said that he didn’t?
Feldstein is on drugs. He was on some british program the other night talking about regulation. First he said that bad regulation and that there was
goodappropriate regulation — and even Adam Smith argued that banks should be regulated. Then he went on about how Adam Smith embraced essentially what became known as Reaganomics. These guys want to put Reagan’s name on everything (including probably Sarah Palin’s uterus).The lesson McCain learned from the Keating 5 was that he got caught, a slap on the wrists and re-elected. There is a segment of society that believes ethics and morality is for suckers, McCain is one of those people.
I came late to this thread but man, quite educational, I can’t wait to read part two
The FSP price and the hold price could very well be the same thing, in fact, the hold price could be less. Bernenke doesn’t know and can’t know. And in fact, if he leads us into a depression, then the chances of the bonds being worth less in the future is probably pretty good.
He’s just trying to buy time, b/c if the bonds are bought at ridiculous low prices, then the bail out won’t work. Any of those banks (investment, commercial, whatever) COULD go sell their bonds at today’s FSP price and take a huge hit. If they did, they’d have to report it, and they’d all have to show the world they are insolvent (they are anyway, but this is a question of what they have to report).
What they want is for the gov’t to buy the bonds at some price that makes it possible for the banks to report they are not insolvent, which is not the FSP, but has no relationship to reality other than what the banks need for their reporting purposes.
So what Bernanke is saying is 1. The gov’t is going to overpay for this shit, but 2. that, magically cause there is no reality to it, over time the shit will turn to silver or gold so it’s ok to overpay. Of course, that’s alchemy and it never works.
Damn. That was meangingful. I’m gonna have to wash my hands now.
Sounds like that character in the story who spun straw into gold. It’s was a fairy tale then and it still is.
“There are two prices for these assets in question, the “Fire Sale Price” and the “Mature Market Price”. The FSP is what they would fetch if they had to be sold this instant. The MMP is what they would fetch if they were held for an indefinite length of time and then sold at some optimal time.”
An asset is worth whatever price the market clears at.
A fundamental question I’m curious about is this: if it weren’t for the many ARMs (and any other upside down mortgages) would the banks have just found another reason for deciding not to loan money, resulting in a slowing economy?
Was the Gramm insertion of legislation into the bill Bill Clinton signed (purportedly without his or most of Congress’s knowledge) part of a plan or a separate thing? Remembering Gramm & McCain are very close.
What if ARMs are forcibly converted to fixed-rate? Would banks find another reason to refuse credit or would that solve the problem (of them not being able to properly place value on assets which aren’t actively trading in a market today)?
EPU – Being omniscient and all – figured you’d know we all miss your omniscience.
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