Lilly is fairly blunt:
I worked at this plant for 20yrs before I learned the truth. I’d been paid 40% less than men doing the same work.
John McCain opposed a law to give women equal pay for equal work. And he dismissed the wage gap saying women just need education and training.
I had the same skills as the men at my plant. My family needed that money. On the economy, it’s John McCain who needs and education….
The worst part for Lilly? When the SCOTUS dismissed her case, in a 5-4 decision, that also meant her pension and her social security benefits — calculated based on her wages — are less than male counterparts for her whole retirement.
Even worse for all of us, the Ledbetter decision has now been cited in hundreds of cases nationwide to justify disparate treatment based on race, gender, age, disability and other reasons to pay someone less or treat them differently because these cases have been jimmied into an analogous argument to what Lilly faced in her claim. The SCOTUS decision effectively undercut decades of precedent on equality in one, fell swoop in favor of companies who want to justify internal discrimination.
GOP leadership, at the behest of the Bush WH and corporate lobbyists, blocked the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in the Senate this year — a vote for which John McCain didn’t even bother to show.
Lilly’s absolutely right: McCain needs to be educated on just what women think of being treated as second class simply because they are women. Just because we have boobs doesn’t mean we have to vote for one, now does it?
PS — Bob Geiger has the Saturday editorial cartoons for your guffaws.



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morning Christy. Why am I watching MTP?
the dems in congress, and obama especially, better get their act together now – or there aren’t going to be many jobs for anyone.
That’s a great ad. What happened to Ledbetter is a tragedy.
Paulson on Fox Noise Sunday. Yes, we will buy foreign assets. But Daddy Warbucks hates doing it.
Ooh. Line of the day.
i’d call it a crime.
View Alert: Krugman on Reliable right now…
absolutely
I’d call it a crime.
Morning all — thank goodness for coffee this morning…
Morning, Christy.
OT – or not. Speaking of pay, I’ve put up a poll at my place, asking:
I decided to put it up after watching this PBS To The Contrary clip.
The poll is at the top right…
A crime perpetrated by crony capitalist SCOTUS.
Paulson on MTP “Of course we’ll change the rules of regulation. Can’t do it now, of course, but we will. Honest. Trust me.”
Topic reporters and lying politicians.
Yikes! Howie does a thanks but no thanks mashup
yeah right, where have we heard that before.
yes. and her employers.
Is that one of them rhetorical questions them elitist people keep talkin’ about?
I got to meet Lilly very briefly when we were in Denver — she spoke at the panel I did with Pam Spaulding and Nan Aron from Alliance for Justice. Lilly reminds me so much of so many of the women in my family — spine of steel, but a total sweetheart, who is heartbroken over how she was treated and mad as hell at the same time, and who can blame her? Having worked at many a job where women weren’t exactly the powerbrokers for the most part, clawing your way in the door can be tough enough — but to have that crap treatment extend to the whole of your retirement, too, is beyond infuriating.
Goodyear ought to be ashamed, if they had any shame left. Let alone the SCOTUS, especially Anthony Kennedy who knew better but went along with the pro-corporate ride on something this fundamental.
Paulson – “It pains me. it pains me tremendously, to have the American taxpayer put in this position.”
(”and if Barney Frank insists upon killing golden parachutes, the American taxpayers should know that he personally just killed the economy”)
I thought that ad was really effective. Especially if you happen to be a woman who has ever had to work your way up in a predominantly male job environment — or if you’ve ever had to deal with unequal treatment on crap grounds, etc. — it really resonates.
I resemble that.
oh great. on fox i see… kyl and schumer debating on what to do about the financial crisis.
may i please have bernie sanders to represent me?
hit em with a chair LILLY you rock! WRITE A BOOK name names…I’D buy it,and millions of other women would too,i expects
Mornin’ Christy -
Is the ad regional ? national ?
recall a similar ad being played in Michigan about a month ago
When the SCOTUS dismissed her case, in a 5-4 decision
would I get any points for listing each justice, and how he or she voted (without looking), or is that just too damned easy?
Yes, I’m sure it does pain him to have to put his hand out while not admitting any role in the crapfest that he and his other CEO pals have created with their excessive greed-fueled wankfest. Any thought that keying all of their actions toward maximizing shareholder profit rather than behaving in a prudent, long-term thought for business and consumer health just goes shit out the window in that context, and when you add in deregulation out the wazoo for hoovering up even more short-term gains? Any wonder why we are in a world of crap?
God forbid there should be reforms of any sort designed to prevent this from happening repeatedly like some sort of Groundhog Day for the stupids. Let’s just pour money on the fire and watch it burn…
i’ve never worked anywhere except male dominated fields. but campaign advertisements might as well as be advertisements selling laundry soap – unless it ties strongly into some action the politician has been championing (like al gore on the climate).
but, but, but McCain’s all for preferential treatment for women; just take a look at the V.P. debate rules he fought for:
Now Gov. Palin can have Todd in her corner to whisper talking points when the going gets really tough.
Interesting on that clip that one of the Palin defenders kept blaming journalists for not having asked Palin whether she required rape victims to pay for their own kits.
I kept hoping one of the sane people would point out that she doesn’t take questions from journalists.
That may be true for people who pay attention to the finer details, but that’s a very tiny percentage of people in this country, sad to say. For the rest of the world who looks solely at superficial bits and pieces or feels things in their gut? I think this ad is a good one in terms of resonance.
Especially given the fact that John McCain’s entire record on women’s issues can be summed up with “why the hell should I care?”
on fox just now:
Q: do the democrats believe it is patriotic to pay taxes?
schumer answers about how it is important to give “tax relief” to the middle class.
arggghh!!!
why they had to GUT ELLIOT SPITZER
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02783.html
Why isn’t there a massive boycott of Goodyear?
why did Biden agree to this?
lol. you could substitute “women’s issues” with just about everything that matters to me and still have a completely accurate statement.
IF, the ad is National, and IF it gets traction . . .
they should employ Ms Ledbetter’s voice to urge WORKING WOMEN everywhere to register and vote (15 million of ‘em who didn’t in 04)
Christy – this is an authentic voice for our Party in places where it needs a voice – certain regions and segments of the electorate
let the boycotts begin
HORMEL TOO!
speaking of empowering women
Here’s an interview from Religions & Ethics
Barefoot College in India
what a fab idea
because he’s still gonna whoop her ass and then can say he did it under their rules :D
good luck with that whole Snowbilly Todd thing
true dat…he provides his 18 year old daughter with a million dollar condo and an AMEX card she charges 50,000.00 PER MONTH ON …more than alota folks make in 1 YEAR
now, now, we can’t be seen as bullying this poor — but exceptionally qualified ’cause she knows more about energy than anyone in the United States — candidate.
can’t wait for her to repeatedly mispronounce “verbiage” some more.
Sarah Palin will be fine to work for $34,000/year as the VP of the United States and without medical insurance too!
Nice Mom/woman that ole Sarah is.
i don’t think it’s, for me anyway, about paying attention – it’s that i try not to watch commercials, and so when i do i’m not accustomed to how manipulative and hollow they sound.
i do see some print ads (like here at fdl and in the legacy press), but lately very few tv ads. i’m probably seeing more this morning than i have in the entire past year. imo, tv ads are toxic.
shorter Paulson – Because I Said So !
well said.
Why Hormel? Immigration raids?
how did she pronounce it?
bill kristol on fox:
“i’m not a dogmatic free market guy”
i can barely paste it without sobbing
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/…..index.html
and PAY HER WELL for gosh sakes!
Hi Christy!
This one’s for Lilly and US:
Slave – Rolling Stones
I met an 84-year old black man a short while ago, who was working as a screener at a Courthouse. I asked him, “Why are you working?”
He looked at me, plainly, and said, “Oh, this is my second career. I worked for almost 52 years at the local furniture-making company before this.”
“Oh yeah,” I said, “Did you get a good retirement out of your time at the furniture company?”
“Well, no, that’s why I’m here,” he said, “I didn’t get nothin’. Some people get to put down work after a time, but me, I didn’t have the choice, I have to work to live.”
LOL!
Johnny McNastys new ads courtesy SNL
http://www.americablog.com/200…..qus_thread
translation: “I invested everything in Segway”
schumer
Mukasey!
(continuing my new practice of responding to any mention of Chuck’s name with the appropriate response, at least imo)
Watching Paulson on MTP. Getting an ulcer.
He’s not on for very long, fwiw.
Thank you for posting this. I watched a PETA video a year ago, and have not bought one bit of factory farmed, mass produced meat since. Horrifying as it is to see, I think everyone should see it, and realize what it is they are reaching for in the supermarket.
It is just – sickening cruelty. Makes you wonder about the human race, doesn’t it?
Sen Kyl just said that the Democrats blocked the bills about regulations in Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac since 2002.
Why didn’t Sen. Schumer shoot this down by saying that the republicans have held the presidency, the house and the senate since 2000 and the democrats just took power in 2006.
FOX NOISE
good one.
i have given up on the human race a long time ago…..MAROONS mostly imo
well his dance card is full this morning.
o/t – further signs the apocalypse is upon us -
Just saw George Will go all concern troll on McClueless
“Lilly’s absolutely right: McCain needs to be educated on just what women think of being treated as second class simply because they are women.”
And if there are any remaining Hillary supporters who still plan to vote for McCain, they really need to stop and reconsider. This issued combined with McCain/Palin’s opposition to abortion rights should compel them to vote for Obama.
unfortunately some do not see the impending disaster should that happen
Lordy.
wait till you get a load of Bloomberg saying that American consumers were irresponsible for having bought into the crap (aka “lies”) that the market was selling them, and equally responsible for the shit we’re in.
(still waiting for the first non-ass-wipe to show up on my teevee today)…..
Stupidity is one thing, I can handle that. Deliberate horrific cruelty is something else. Gives me very dark thoughts toward the people in that video – would like to see the roles reversed.
What?
to Obama Campaign lurkers -
Run that Lilly ad during NASCAR events – do it now !
(note to firedogs – NASCAR enjoys the largest women’s fan base (43%) of
any sport in this country)
yessam, and Miss Cokie too. they all but called him McCrazy
shorter sadly…..alot people simply……suck! ..me poor heart breaks,so i must just keep fighting the good fight
Boner on Disney tee vee says they already passed a $300,000,000,000 (three hundred billion) Housing Bill to pay off scam artists last year. I did not know that. Boner says it is not a time to scare people. But he is definitely scary.
I know FDL discourages violence. But I think we should get the torches and pitchforks and storm Wall Street.
oh reallllllllllllllllllllllly…shitheel
past overdo
Sadly: it’s that whole attitude we see witht the likes of Sarah Palin – nothing matters except humans. Every other living creature on this planet is here for us to do – whatever with. We spend – millions? – searching for possibility of life on other planets. Why? So we can torture them?
MAY I REMIND YOU
SUPER YACHT sales are thriving
http://thestar.com.my/maritime…..c=maritime
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/co…..4375.story
that excuse for aq woman …is a DISGRACE TO MY DNA
Here’s a great response to the Paulson “plan”:
Bailout Principles – Sen. Bernie Sanders
that guy is another bafoon with about 12 mansions too
Watching Paulson on MTP. Getting an ulcer.
The central message we should be putting out I think is that Paulson wants this $700 billion, not to stabilize financial markets, but to bailout the system which he helped create and which produced the current crisis.
Just as I think putting Paulson in charge of this is about the worst possible choice that could be made I heard on MTP that he will farm this bailout to private industry and put precisely those fund managers who brought us this mess in charge of managing various multi-billion pieces of the securities he means to buy up.
Lastly, I would just like to point out that Paulson has been Teasury Secretary for 2 years. He did nothing to ease the bursting of the bubble and once burst did as little as possible to deal with it until the last 2 weeks. Now we are being told we must rush, rush, rush to get something in place because we don’t have the time. My question is why didn’t he do something in those first two years. The Patriot Act, the Patriot Act extension, the AUMFs, the Military Commissions Act, the Protect America Act, the FISA Amendments Act, over and over and over again the Congress gets rolled by this Administration that does nothing and then wants some massive or unthought through legislation passed yesterday because there is no time. And Democrats never learn or are complicit. At what point do we say that bad as the Republicans are the Democrats really are no better?
Isn’t that the way the Shock Doctrine is supposed to work? Create the shock, even after it’s obvious, let it fester until it’s a falling over the cliff emergency, then come in with a rush rush plan that benefits yourself.
Memo to Disney’s corporate lobbyist, Kookie Roberts. The Stray Cats want their hair style back.
give me Stiglitz, Krugman, Scarecrow, & Ian
that’s excellent.
F@#$%^&*()_#$%^&*ERS!!!!
707!!!!!!
gotta go feed the critters
GIVE EM THE TRUTH……theyll think it is HELLLLLLLLLL!!!
OT: per MARTIN CRUTSINGER at HuffPo:
“The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Give me what I asked for quickly, or we’ll all perish. Give me what I want quickly, and we’ll all be safe, and you can go on your break with peace of mind knowing that you’ve done the right thing.”
Where, oh where, have I heard this song before?
Ian called Hank on his bullshit yesterday: http://firedoglake.com/2008/09…..-treasury/
Your link opened up a to-be-sent email to something like f@. ?????
OMG. Wall St. managers are going to be given the rotten financial instruments to sell. Breathtaking.
Now that I am a register independent, I feel unshacked and lack the NEED nor necessity to defend any one politican. What I glorious feeling. I highly recommend it to all my fellow Americans.
The politicans have been very clever in piting us (the american people who make this country what it is by working and makiing actual stuff and fighting in wars to give people the opportunity to work and making actual stuff) against each other in this endless democrats are better than republicans or republicans are better than democrats CRAP.
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain all took money from the brokerage houses and Fannie Mae PERIOD. The only one has not YET is Sara Palin but given enough time in the DC circuit she will as well-it is how it is played. BUT we as American people don’t get to play that game…do we? So why are we so ready to defend to the death (or word wars) any one particular politican.
Look, basically this whole financial horrenous mess is because mortgage companies (original lender) who made the mortgages had no vested interest in making sure the person borrowing the money could pay it back. Why? because the original lender (see Country wide) sold the mortgage and got the blessing of the debt rating companies who are played by the broker firms. What a mess! But who was supposed to look out for the american people interest? Who was supposed to make sure the banks (original lender) was making sure people could afford the mortgage–the house and senate banking committees But wait Dodd is getting campaign contributes from those same people and OH wait he is getting friends of Countywide CEO low interest and no (see Rangel )interest loans…WHAT A MESS!
But, but wait the democrats have been in office only since 2006 and they have this real skinny majority and the crsis has been brewing since 2000 and the sun doesn’t shine and I broke my nai typing this WAAAAAAAAA!
Okay, when the demo were powerless while the repubs screwed us over – did the demos offer any legislation? Did the demos see this coming and tried to stop it? Eventhough the Demos were not in power, they were not powerless, no? The reason why the republicans did this and the demos acquisenced is because they BOTH were being brought off by Fannine Mae and the brokeage house selling fannies Mortgage backed securities (MDA) That means securities traded and used as collateral based on NOTHIHNG but the originals lenders INVESTED interest in making money of selling loans not keeping them.
This post defending the “democratics” and knocking the “republicans” on equal pay is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titantic—it doesn’t matter….it really doesn’t.
This is what I am doing. I am voting based on the politican with the LEAST NEGATIVES. I suggest you do the same.
PUMA
Could someone please define illiquid assets? Is this the goodwill that some now defunct company had booked; is it the property in the inner city that has been converted to meth labs and/or vandalyzed; is it the start up capital for some hairbrain scheme? And were going to get a return on this shit?
The discussion of what went wrong and who should be held responsible with the “experts” in MTP is all garbage.
might I mention that no Talking Empty-Head that I’ve heard this morning has even noticed, that Paulson, by the terms of the pending legislation, is to be given powers that are essentially dictatorial.
courts can’t touch him – congress can’t touch him, he is now The Great and Powerful Paulson.
I’m beginning to wish I’d never voted for him. oh wait….
No, you are wrong. This is a neo-conservative takeover, using “shock doctrine” to destroy America.
mr cbl and I are discussing pushback on Paulson -
if it’s so catastrophically dire, we’ll just go to the Bank tomorrow and WITHDRAW EVERYTHING – how ya like me now ?!?!?!
exactly. and this is the kind of thing i’m hearing this morning: “we must do something, if we do nothing disaster looms.” and the only thing on the table is paulson’s blank check.
Absolutely. And it has been used this way since 2001. So after 7 years of seeing the Democrats being part of the Shock Doctrine, I really have question the whole idea that they are out there fighting the good fight for us. Because if they are fighting for us, why is it they always end up voting with them, the Republicans? Why is it that Democratic filibusters never happened? Why is it that both in the minority and the majority Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid facilitated Republican bills and structured cosmetic votes that saw Republican legislation passed? At what point do we cut the crap about electing more and better Democrats and hold the ones we have accountable?
Mortgages that are underwater were the beginning of the illiquidity. But it got even worse because during the securitization process, mortgages got sold in tranches, the least credit worthy of which still got a triple-A rating (”people don’t default on their mortgages,” so the excuse went). The “investors” who bought those tranches then leveraged them. That’s how the freeze up began. But then there were plenty of other schenanigans that no one was paying attention to. So no one really knows what anything is worth, as a consequence financial institutions can’t fund themselves and the whole system is frozen.
Many more of the “assets” the taxpayers will acquire will turn out to be worthless. Unlike the S&L bailout when the taxpayer acquired reall estate that had some value & was all eventually sold, making the taxpayer hit less than originally feared.
Paulson doesn’t want to take the time now to deal with regulation.
CEOs have such mahvalous skills. Trust them
Boner on George Stephy:
(paraphrase) “This is bigger, and more important, than an election.”
Dodd says the same thing, btw.
Is Paulson taking his marching orders from Steve Schmidt?
OctoberSeptember Surprise – bright shiny distractions.Barack who?
You sure are full of rhetorical Qs this morning. *g*
Boner – “We don’t need 535 member of Congress adding their best and brightest ideas to this bill. Need to get this done quickly.”
It’s all ass-wipe, all-the-time teevee today.
What time does football start?
Ditto. I agree with the description of the economic discussion on MTP as garbage too. Bear in mind these are the same dopes who never saw the bubble, never thought it would burst, thought that all our problems with it afer it burst were over last year, thought there wouldn’t be a recession, etc. So of course these are NBC’s and Tom Brokaw’s go to guys to get the real story on what will happen. Only in the MSM is being wrong all the time an asset and makes you a bona fide expert.
jayt
you said you were not going to watch the talking heads this morning – what changed your mind? Meds handy?
it hasn’t been just 7 years – and this is the point that people like naomi klein and those in the anti-corporate globalization movement have been trying to tell us. all through the ’90s (and long before, but perfected in the ’90s) this was perfected in our foreign policy via the IMF and WTO. when the seattle wto protests happened in ‘99, much of latin america’s reaction was something like “finally!”
one of the differences that we’re seeing now is that these policies are being brought home – not that they are new to the past 7 years.
Just flipped to Wolf Blitzer. Some day I WILL do a “now” count. Not in the mood today.
shouting amen! here.
accountability.
Any asset that you can’t sell for cash is illiquid. On the upside of the bubble there was always some dope, i.e. a greater fool, who would buy your crap mortgage securities so they were liquid. But after the bubble burst, i.e. no greater fools could be found, nobody wanted them. So at this point they became illiquid because you couldn’t sell them for cash. Paulson solved this problem by making the government and American taxpayers the last and greatest fool, i.e. the buyer of crap of last resort.
I lied. *s*
I found myself to be unable to not watch the spin-cycle.
IOW, just look at this “crisis” like musical chairs when the music stops.
are you willing to do share the
highlightslowlights for those of us without cable tv?can’t believe how much tv i’ve watched this morning. yuck
Hugh and Selise
This is certainly the way to go. The ones we don’t hold accountable will be the ones leading the newly elected “better” Dems and that might not be a good thing. I think we should push hard every day starting now – or 8 years ago.
I can’t believe you have the sstomach to watch Fox.
Morning Folks, diving into a lake full of upset this morning. God, you don’t know which way to turn — we are being attacked on all sides here. Not sure what to do first. Last night, I emailed and faxed Schumer, Clinton, Dodd and my Rep. about the Paulson plan and emailed everyone on my email address book to get out there and do the same. Got an email from someone talking about how she and all of her friends are talking about Canada..I told her to quit that crazy talk — we need fighters HERE, NOW.
I also reminded her that Ho Chi Minh fought the French and the US for fifty years; we can do no less with this bunch.
Some Wapo dildo on MTP just tisk-tisked the concept of legal actions against anyone involved in this continental clusterfuck…He said: “We can’t criminalize such matters”…..
Using Bill Kristol’s talking points.
Eegads.
-G
Hell has frozen over: George Will and Cokie Roberts are extolling Obama’s virtues on This Week.
My thoughts exactly!
it’s like you said in the previous thread:
imo, this is not “just” another crisis. i haven’t watched tv in months, but this morning i watched all the talking heads i could, some of them even twice. trying to think about what might be done….
Agreed. But the only way I know for an average citizen to hold a politician accountable is to “throw the rascal out,” and I’m not the averse to replacing an incumbent bad Democrat with an equally bad Republican, if that’s the only viable option. Vote against incumbents unless they are doing a good job.
OMG. What are we coming to?! I want them marched through the decontamination tub before they’ll be accepted in this house.
I gots me scruples left, though not much else, thanks to the likes a them scumbees.
no, because unaccountable dems will not be good for the party – they will crash and burn. and then where will we be? with the american public convinced that the dems can’t be trusted? and they might as well take another gamble with the republicans?
dammit NO! It’s not that simple. I’d vote Dem. even if it be a stuffed moosehead from the corner cigar store.
I concede that the Shock Doctrine has been going on longer than the current Administration but it has taken it to a whole new level. If you look at the scam of the Social Security surpluses, that will cost trillions too but it was spread over 35 years. The Bush tax cuts (10 years), the Iraq war and GWOT (7 years), the housing bubble (~5 years), the oil bubble (~5 years), each of these will cost at least a trillion and has been accomplished in only a fraction of the time. It is the number and size of them condensed into much shorter timeframes which is so amazing and discouraging.
Just like you can’t criminalize “policy differences.” Cass Sunstein.
It seems to me the flaw in that thinking is that even a bad Dem contributes to creating a majority that can mean the difference between whose agenda gets attention, and who gets to gerrymander, and who gets to fill the Chair positions of committees (again, agenda setting).
Nah..the moosehead would be a fifth col. type for Sarah…
Ron Paul is in his glory on Blitzer. “Return to sound money.”
Haven’t read all the above comments yet . . . so maybe this has been covered. Nevertheless, here goes–hypothetically speaking, with Supreme Court decision as underpinning.
Could corporations, municipalities, NGO’s, small businesses–anyone who employees women successfully push through a 40% pay CUT for all women? If the mayor of my small town–a woman–earns $30K a year–and the commissioners who determine salaries decide to cut back, they could pay her $21K or thereabouts, thereby saving the city $9K. They would know (or at least assume) that if she fought back with a lawsuit, her success or lack thereof would be based solely on the timeliness of her lawsuit and the cleverness of her lawyer. Wow, if women’s workforce salaries could all be reduced by 30-40%–with no bad consequences, what a boondoggle for the economy!
funny. the sound button on our teevee just shut down for the duration.
Stupid question:
As they sink with the anchor they have forged, the aristocrats are saying we must take on that anchor (give them $700 billion) or there will be no money for small business loans and etc. My question is –
Why don’t we ignore those silly people, keep the $700 billion for ourselves and put that money into newly-created, regulated entities — we could call them community banks or something — and make it available to the economy?
Nicely reframed. However, the key seems to be to keep women’s underpayment secret long enough for the clock to run out. Your scheme would be far too public to accomplish that end.
there ARE no stupid questions at a time like this.
paulson sounds like over-ripe gumbo soup next to you.
you GO GRRRRL!
for the usa – imo, you are absolutely right. and just to be clear, i wasn’t paying attention in the ’90s and had no idea what was going on. it was only by getting involved in anti-war organizing in 2002 that i met a bunch of people who had been paying attention and active during the ’80s and ’90s. during the ’90s, much of the focus was on what they called the economic shock therapy imposed by the usa on other countries. i fear now, especially with bushco, it is all being brought home to us.
might I mention that no Talking Empty-Head that I’ve heard this morning has even noticed, that Paulson, by the terms of the pending legislation, is to be given powers that are essentially dictatorial.
well I’ll be damned. George Will noticed.
well, if that’s one of your stupid questions, i can’t wait to hear the smart ones. *g*
warning to all crooked financial gurus, i’m keeping my victory garden in production year round as of now (yes, it can be done in north OH winter), and i am saving the overripe tomatoes for a special occasion of my own choosing.
What program was George Will on? I missed it.
George Will was on “This Week with George” as he usually is.
Well, I can think of several reasons why little Georgie Won’t would notice. He’s not as blame-plagued-stoopid as he plays on tv. But if you can actually stand watching him, try going for the gold standard and watch David Brooks on Lehrer. Causes a grease fire in my kitchen every time I see him.
Dangdest thing!
What program was George Will on? I missed it.
George Stephy.
P.S. Can’t we find *someone* to pretend to be a Democrat spokesperson other than Donna Brazile? Like, say, any front-pager, or commenter, from right here?
They have trotted out the line with each new injection of liquidity (cash) in markets that this would loosen up lending and allow homebuyers to take out mortgages again and for routine business lending to occur. But time and again we have seen that this does not happen. As the end of the week spike in oil prices showed, the big boys grab the money and start speculating with it like they always do.
I was watching something else at the time. I’ll try to find a replay.
But if you can actually stand watching him, try going for the gold standard and watch David Brooks on Lehrer.
No thanks – I’ll leave Bobo in the very capable hands of driftglass.
OT, but for those not around yda, oldgold provided the following link of a devastating ad of McCain in his own words.
The ad is so good, as a public service I’m gonna repeat the link often:
McCain destroying himself politically.
He’s the gift that keeps on giving every time he opens his pie hole.
G. Will has several op-eds a week in the papers. McClatchy papers anyway.
Exactly, Hugh. That’s why I’m thinking: let them sink with their precious magical debt, and good riddance.
Do you hear that song playing in the background? “Take a load off Fannie and put the load right on me . . . “
Fuggidaboutit!!
I draw the line at Carville, but yeah, agreed! We don’t need a puppy personality that rolls over to have its tummy scratched at the slightest opportunity. Donna seems like a nice lady: too nice, and too much of a lady.
Goolsby & Holtz-Eakin having a slapping match on Blitzer. Goolsby got last good work in: Details of McCain’s emergency plan in his website are literally 10 sentences long. Frankly, you get more details on a box of Fruit Loops.
Make that word, not work.
Saw that ad yesterday and couldn’t believe it – just nails him completely. Do you know where it is being played?
Oh yeah, that was the Obama flacks ‘let bygones be bygones’ line.
I think it is time for New England to declare indepence from the king once again.
-G
they are all available via podcast on itunes.
Thanks. I don’t think it’s possible to show that ad “too much”.
This debt situation is so dang horrific, it’s going to take quite awhile before mainstreet realizes just how deep a hole these goons have dug for the whole world.
McCaint’s mugshot ought to be shown repeatedly throughout the experience.
The compliant crook, the goon, the anti-life monster.
oooo, I was so hoping to hear, “I’m Barack Obama, and I approved this message.”
Donna seems like a nice lady: too nice, and too much of a lady.
Any Democratic spokesperson who is unwilling, or unable, to walk away from any interview at this moment with blood dripping from his/her fangs, is an absolute waste of space.
Text of the roundtable.
Goolsbee’s statement has catapulted to the top of the “Snarkiest Comment of the Day” list. :)
It’s on YouTube, I think. Couldn’t it just go viral and stay “out there” circling forever, or however long it takes until he’s just a puddle of sludge circling some storm drain?
Agreed. She. Does. Not. Belong. in any spokesperson or planning position for the party. EVER! Okay?
Thanks.
Linky? I’d love to read the others! *g*
I didn’t mean to be flip earlier, but that’s how I see it. Totally agreed, at least until we truly control the show. Until then, I’m voting straight party ticket.
That doesn’t mean I won’t work like a demon during the primaries but, for the general, we HAVE to get Dem. party in control. THEN hound the daylights out of the slaggards and weed them out if and as needed.
No, I don’t.
But it needs to air across the country non-stop until election day.
Again, the beauty is it’s all in his own words!
ditto!
Right along with Phil (king of deregulation) Gramm.
Find a financial disaster that’s happened in the last ten years and Gramm’s been front and center.
SCOTUS has delt the middle class a major blow against the middle class with the Ledbetter decision!!
Big business won again and again under rethuglians/SCOTUS. Unions have been busted leaving workers no voice in the employment which now is completely one sided in favor of big business. Ya a vote for them is a vote to make the rich richer and drive the middle class out of existence as they die off for a lack of proper medical care . We need more and more laws against unions and for business so they can do the job even quicker… Who needs the middle class?? They are just 90% of the US population they should have no voice what ever in their behalf! /S
Fundamental tension between democracy & capitalism. In former, one person one vote; in latter, one dollar one vote. Since the Rs got the workers to vote on basis of noneconomic issues, the whole country gets run on the basis of money interests.
Up top in Christy’s post:
“Just because we have boobs doesn’t mean we have to vote for one.”
Love this one, but think the Goolsbee’s ‘back of the Fruit Loops box’ comment supercedes. JMO
Glenn W. Smith has a brand new post up entitled: “Nurse, Bring Me My Guitar”: Mercy and Revolution.
I wanna slap Linda Sanchez in her artifically whitened teeth!
Goolbee’s goes on the all time list. JMO.
Since this is your field would you please explain something to me. If the extremely rich destroy the middle class who is going to buy the products that the rich make or sell? If you destroy the economy won’t it at some point get the rich as well? I just don’t understand the logic of wiping out the people who buy your widgets.
Oh, yeah!
This level of greed does not allow for logic.
Boy, that’s a point I’d like to see made every single day! I make it as much as possible myself!
the bull moose party.
my guess: she’s no more popular with them than caribou, bears, or wolves.
my fondest wish would be that one of ‘em caught up with her one of these fine days.
The bubble…$450 trillion in credit swaps!
$62 Trillion in DEFAULT credit swaps
$700 billion 1/4 of government budget flushed down the Wall Street toilet
It is a finger in the dike a swindle
From dear Molly: “meanest man in D.C.”
That’s one of the Qs of all time. Back in the first phase of the early 90s recovery, when corps were laying off workers for a much longer than normal time, I referred to it as firing your customers, since workers are also consumers. As it turned out, verrry easy monetary policy got those still employed to buy enough more to keep the thing going until layoffs stopped and the recovery was cemented.
Growth in real wages/worker should be the healthy underpinning of overall economic growth. But that hasn’t happened (except for a brief spurt during the Clinton admin) since the 1960s. Consumer spending growth has been held up by greater percentage of people working, workers doing longer hours, and BORROWING. I think, via tax cuts and even easier monetary policy, they can gin up another recovery. It will take awhile & it will be weak, but think they can do it one more time.
Macroeconomic managers do not realize the thin reed that holds up econ growth. They observe, accurately, that consumers are fundamentally insatiable, and will increase spending at the slightest excuse. What they don’t observe is that the consumer “fundamentals” get worse & worse with each cycle. So they think they can continue to have redos.
I’ve been watching this carefully as each cycle has unfolded in its own particular way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&eurl
I’ve watched it several times now and it gets better every time. Thanks
Twain, to your 24 on prior thread, remember that the key is to get real wages/worker growing. I just don’t see how that is going to happen. Business has figured out that it doesn’t need to do that and in pursuit of lower labor costs (something like 70% of total net business costs) has not only outsourced, etc., but has done its best to eviscerate labor unions.
So yeah, you can have another, maybe two other, maybe three, government programs, but if real wages don’t start growing endogenously, the economy can’t be sustained.
Oh, someone FZ just brought up technology as a source of growth. As far as that can underpin consumer spending it only works if it adds jobs and/or makes products so much cheaper that real wages rise. That was the Clinton “new economy” era. W came in & put energy, metals, paper & RRs into the cabinet. It was a really dramatic switch from new back to old economy.
Not sure we can do the tech thing again, as developing economies siphon off those jobs pretty quickly these days.
If I remember correctly I think I read that wages are actually going backwards in terms of what can be purchased now. I have a mind that is totally practical and cannot think “outside the box.” People tell me I am a typical Virgo. No artistic talent (re the other thread) no magical thinking and wouldn’t have any notion of how to flim-flam somone if my life depended on it. So I am at a complete loss re the idea of the rich have all the money and then what? You can’t drive it, live in it or eat it.
Many have said we are or are becoming a service economy but isn’t that leaving the country for India, etc? What will we be left with?
Think about slave economies like antebellum South. Not that we’ll get that bad any time soon, but you have a picture of how economies which have extreme income distributions can still function. After all, us slaves must still work, even for lower & lower real wages, because the other alternative is death. We have pretty much lost the ability to strike, and I have not been impressed by the influence of protests.
That ad just makes my eyes water up.
I’m not worried about continued innovation, but yes, the jobs in those areas won’t necessarily stay in the U.S.
When will Americans understand that economic growth based on irrational buying of goods (with or without credit) will both kill the economy and the planet in the long run?
There are two answers that cover every economic question (and truth be told, every other Q): 1. Because they can. 2. Because they have to.
#2 is the A to your Q. They will recognize the reality of what you say only when they have to, and not a moment before.
W certainly touched an American hot button when he told us to go shopping after 9/11. Americans will buy anything and shop to make themselves feel good. We need to stop doing that – especially at Wal-Mart.
My Wal-Mart one-liner is: people who work there can’t afford to shop there.
I guess they are just happy to have a job. I have been in a WalMart – not in Ca – and even the people working there look poor and the products are less than great. Sad place.
That ad is amazing. The Obama ppl are really stepping this up. CHS, expect to see yr on Crappy Hour tomorrow at Jezebel.