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	<title>Comments on: McCain Ducks Responsibility, Obama Pins It On Him</title>
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		<title>By: MarkusQ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/obama-to-mccain-fire-cox-fire-the-whole-administration/#comment-1639039</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkusQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In what way is this steeling?  If it is, why don’t we need a corresponding “down-tick rule” for long traders?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Instead of just parroting the propaganda, think about what’s going on for a minute: individual short sellers take a considerable personal financial risk on the belief that some companies are well run, productive enterprises while others are shams and scams that will ultimately fail.  By shorting a company they are saying, literally as well as figuratively, “I don’t buy it, and in the long run I don’t think anyone else will.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Short sellers are not steeling from anyone, or even taking undue advantage.  When all is said and done they buy just as much (split adjusted) stock as they sell and the effect is the same as a long transaction except that the order is reversed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a signaling mechanism the only real problem they pose is for fraudulent, ill-managed, enterprises, in that they make it much harder to pull the wool over people’s eyes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why, whenever something shady is going down (now, Enron, WorldCom, etc.), there’s a hue and cry against the short sellers.  The corrupt bastards hate short sellers about as much as elephant poachers hate vultures, and for the same reason.  They draw attention to criminals who’d much rather conduct their affairs quietly and leave before anyone notices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– MarkusQ&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what way is this steeling?  If it is, why don’t we need a corresponding “down-tick rule” for long traders?</p>
<p>Instead of just parroting the propaganda, think about what’s going on for a minute: individual short sellers take a considerable personal financial risk on the belief that some companies are well run, productive enterprises while others are shams and scams that will ultimately fail.  By shorting a company they are saying, literally as well as figuratively, “I don’t buy it, and in the long run I don’t think anyone else will.”</p>
<p>Short sellers are not steeling from anyone, or even taking undue advantage.  When all is said and done they buy just as much (split adjusted) stock as they sell and the effect is the same as a long transaction except that the order is reversed.</p>
<p>As a signaling mechanism the only real problem they pose is for fraudulent, ill-managed, enterprises, in that they make it much harder to pull the wool over people’s eyes.</p>
<p>That’s why, whenever something shady is going down (now, Enron, WorldCom, etc.), there’s a hue and cry against the short sellers.  The corrupt bastards hate short sellers about as much as elephant poachers hate vultures, and for the same reason.  They draw attention to criminals who’d much rather conduct their affairs quietly and leave before anyone notices.</p>
<p>– MarkusQ<br />
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“I think that’s all fine and good but here’s what I think,” Obama said. “In the next 47 days you can fire the whole trickle-down, on-your-own, look-the-other way crowd in Washington who has led us down this disastrous path. Don’t just get rid of one guy. Get rid of this administration. Get rid of this philosophy. Get rid of the do-nothing approach to our economic problem and put somebody in there who’s going to fight for you.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re interested, but in a hurry, this quote appears at about 10:40 in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WldjwTCoxRo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Espanola, New Mexico&lt;/a&gt; YouTube of his speech.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I think that’s all fine and good but here’s what I think,” Obama said. “In the next 47 days you can fire the whole trickle-down, on-your-own, look-the-other way crowd in Washington who has led us down this disastrous path. Don’t just get rid of one guy. Get rid of this administration. Get rid of this philosophy. Get rid of the do-nothing approach to our economic problem and put somebody in there who’s going to fight for you.”</p>
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<p>If you’re interested, but in a hurry, this quote appears at about 10:40 in the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WldjwTCoxRo" rel="nofollow">Espanola, New Mexico</a> YouTube of his speech.</p>
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		<title>By: RedHen</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedHen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Check out the uptick rule, which when eliminated basically gave short sellers a license to steal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the uptick rule, which when eliminated basically gave short sellers a license to steal.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkusQ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/obama-to-mccain-fire-cox-fire-the-whole-administration/#comment-1638672</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkusQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why is it that if I send a check to my bank and tell them “I’ll be good for it in a couple of days,” that’s irresponsible and bad for the market, while if I’m a stockbroker and say “I’ll borrow your stock, sell it today, and be good for it in a couple of days,” that’s a valuable signaling mechanism?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not how shot selling works.  To sell a stock short you actually have to maintain enough assets in your account to plausibly replace the stocks you sold short no matter what the market does.  If the stocks get called in and you can’t cover them, your assets are liquidated to buy the replacements.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason it is a valuable signaling mechanism is that short sellers tend to be attracted to worthless stocks that are being pumped up far beyond their actual value (think Enron) and thus the presence of a lot of short positions can be a valuable hint to normal investors who know what it means.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is also the reason that short sellers are so hated by those who like to sell a steaming pile of stock to gullible fools–the short sellers, like flies, vultures, and law degrees from Pat Robertson’s Regent University, are a clear warning that what you are being asked to buy may not be up to snuff.  They tip off the rubes and can spoil an otherwise lucrative con.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– MarkusQ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is it that if I send a check to my bank and tell them “I’ll be good for it in a couple of days,” that’s irresponsible and bad for the market, while if I’m a stockbroker and say “I’ll borrow your stock, sell it today, and be good for it in a couple of days,” that’s a valuable signaling mechanism?</p>
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<p>That’s not how shot selling works.  To sell a stock short you actually have to maintain enough assets in your account to plausibly replace the stocks you sold short no matter what the market does.  If the stocks get called in and you can’t cover them, your assets are liquidated to buy the replacements.</p>
<p>The reason it is a valuable signaling mechanism is that short sellers tend to be attracted to worthless stocks that are being pumped up far beyond their actual value (think Enron) and thus the presence of a lot of short positions can be a valuable hint to normal investors who know what it means.  </p>
<p>This is also the reason that short sellers are so hated by those who like to sell a steaming pile of stock to gullible fools–the short sellers, like flies, vultures, and law degrees from Pat Robertson’s Regent University, are a clear warning that what you are being asked to buy may not be up to snuff.  They tip off the rubes and can spoil an otherwise lucrative con.</p>
<p>– MarkusQ</p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
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		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;heck there are states in the south that want to secede.  This country has always been ruled by region and state loyalties.  The southern states being much better off (industry and natural resource wise) than the northern and northeastern states. *sigh*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heck there are states in the south that want to secede.  This country has always been ruled by region and state loyalties.  The southern states being much better off (industry and natural resource wise) than the northern and northeastern states. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Haven’t kept current with Brazil politics, but not surprised to find out that Lula has pissed off the left. There is a VERY important battle between the right and the left that has to do with the tipping point. IMO southern lefties are trying to position themselves somewhat to the right to foist off attacks from that direction. But that must be regarded as a completely uninformed opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven’t kept current with Brazil politics, but not surprised to find out that Lula has pissed off the left. There is a VERY important battle between the right and the left that has to do with the tipping point. IMO southern lefties are trying to position themselves somewhat to the right to foist off attacks from that direction. But that must be regarded as a completely uninformed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the comment is that we will be having about 20 years…not good news for our kids.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comment is that we will be having about 20 years…not good news for our kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/obama-to-mccain-fire-cox-fire-the-whole-administration/#comment-1638450</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The truth has only one side.  The Fair and Balanced model practiced by the corporate media serves no ones interests but those of the corporations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth has only one side.  The Fair and Balanced model practiced by the corporate media serves no ones interests but those of the corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/obama-to-mccain-fire-cox-fire-the-whole-administration/#comment-1638443</link>
		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But even Lula has his faults.  I’m registered as worker party (that is the lefty party) but he has done some vengeful stuff to a state in the north east (Alagoa) that did not vote for him.  His revenge was to cut them out of some funding (unfortunately not something new or a surprise).  We have had cities that have had people die of thirst because the money that was marked for drinking water projects were instead pocketed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But even Lula has his faults.  I’m registered as worker party (that is the lefty party) but he has done some vengeful stuff to a state in the north east (Alagoa) that did not vote for him.  His revenge was to cut them out of some funding (unfortunately not something new or a surprise).  We have had cities that have had people die of thirst because the money that was marked for drinking water projects were instead pocketed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That sound just right! ***starts making To Do lists***&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sound just right! ***starts making To Do lists***</p>
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