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	<title>Comments on: Missing and Presumed Dead After Ike</title>
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		<title>By: donmanti</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1639233</link>
		<dc:creator>donmanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How in the world did the Republicans have anything to do with the foolish decisions to ride the storm out?  This is just a really silly statement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in the world did the Republicans have anything to do with the foolish decisions to ride the storm out?  This is just a really silly statement.</p>
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		<title>By: pajarito</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638908</link>
		<dc:creator>pajarito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Satellite images from &lt;a href=&quot;http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/ike/IKE0000.HTM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NOAA:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satellite images from <a href="http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/ike/IKE0000.HTM" rel="nofollow">NOAA:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638641</link>
		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Link, after link, compiled by Al The Spook, PeanutButter, Betsy and others.&lt;br /&gt;
Yes, likely tens of thousands if not  more, dead. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GreenWarrior, thanks for saying it, someone had to.,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Read the links, look at the video, the photos.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Entire places wiped out, places where people were ‘hunkered down’. They won’t show up except for body parts further down stream as sharks feed on the dead bodies. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the suppression of the news of the deaths? Same as the suppression of the news of the faulty delivery of post Ike services that both Chertoff and Texans Governor were claimed were all in place pre Ike and ‘we have it under control’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And let’s not forget, the waters of the Gulf are now covered with oil slicks from damaged oil rigs and drilling areas . . . slicks that will kill sea life, ruin fishing and in general expand the already deadly DEAD zones that bloom from the Mississippi disgorging it’s toxins from way up north all down the line to the Gulf.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tens. Of Thousands. Dead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;140,000 all told in Texas, along the coast, were said to have stayed behind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bolivar Peninsula is now three Islands. Wiped out, completely. A house here and there. Same for many parts of Galveston. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where are they? They’ll be washing up on the shores of Corpus Christi for a year, like they did with Katrina and NOLA’s uncounted dead. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Property will be claimed by the ’state’, and rezoned, and developed for the rich. And all the hotels and casino’s in a few years, they’ll need poor people for employees, and build sub standard housing for them, too. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Till the next big one comes. But poor people are recyclable. And so is their land. History has proven it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Make sure you read every link:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link, after link, compiled by Al The Spook, PeanutButter, Betsy and others.<br />
Yes, likely tens of thousands if not  more, dead. </p>
<p>GreenWarrior, thanks for saying it, someone had to.,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982" rel="nofollow">http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982</a></p>
<p>Read the links, look at the video, the photos.</p>
<p>Entire places wiped out, places where people were ‘hunkered down’. They won’t show up except for body parts further down stream as sharks feed on the dead bodies. </p>
<p>And the suppression of the news of the deaths? Same as the suppression of the news of the faulty delivery of post Ike services that both Chertoff and Texans Governor were claimed were all in place pre Ike and ‘we have it under control’.</p>
<p>And let’s not forget, the waters of the Gulf are now covered with oil slicks from damaged oil rigs and drilling areas . . . slicks that will kill sea life, ruin fishing and in general expand the already deadly DEAD zones that bloom from the Mississippi disgorging it’s toxins from way up north all down the line to the Gulf.</p>
<p>Tens. Of Thousands. Dead.</p>
<p>140,000 all told in Texas, along the coast, were said to have stayed behind.</p>
<p>Bolivar Peninsula is now three Islands. Wiped out, completely. A house here and there. Same for many parts of Galveston. </p>
<p>Where are they? They’ll be washing up on the shores of Corpus Christi for a year, like they did with Katrina and NOLA’s uncounted dead. </p>
<p>Property will be claimed by the ’state’, and rezoned, and developed for the rich. And all the hotels and casino’s in a few years, they’ll need poor people for employees, and build sub standard housing for them, too. </p>
<p>Till the next big one comes. But poor people are recyclable. And so is their land. History has proven it. </p>
<p>Make sure you read every link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982" rel="nofollow">http://www.relaxedpolitics.com/?p=2982</a></p>
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		<title>By: palinawesome</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638469</link>
		<dc:creator>palinawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the animals should be saved - they don’t get the weather channel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the animals should be saved &#8211; they don’t get the weather channel.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638437</link>
		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazing article.  I know thisis in deep EPU, but I’m glad you shared it.  It should be front page here and everywhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing article.  I know thisis in deep EPU, but I’m glad you shared it.  It should be front page here and everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638435</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m curious — what does “I have sympathy” mean to you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m curious — what does “I have sympathy” mean to you?</p>
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		<title>By: palinawesome</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638406</link>
		<dc:creator>palinawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh you dumb-o-crats make-a-me siiiiiiiiiiiiick!  these people chose to stay in an area where nearly 12,000 people died in 1900 from a hurricane.  i have sympathy, but it is not up to the sensible to constantly have to save the senseless.  survival of the fittest is the thing.  those who wanted to leave had plenty of time - those who chose to stay got what was coming to them - dead or alive.  i’m so tired of paying for other people’s calculated mistakes.  grow up, or die stupid!&lt;br /&gt;
Go Palin! (and McCain!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh you dumb-o-crats make-a-me siiiiiiiiiiiiick!  these people chose to stay in an area where nearly 12,000 people died in 1900 from a hurricane.  i have sympathy, but it is not up to the sensible to constantly have to save the senseless.  survival of the fittest is the thing.  those who wanted to leave had plenty of time &#8211; those who chose to stay got what was coming to them &#8211; dead or alive.  i’m so tired of paying for other people’s calculated mistakes.  grow up, or die stupid!<br />
Go Palin! (and McCain!)</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1638073</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s the correct link:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nationinstitute.org.....9182008pt1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the correct link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationinstitute.org/p/schanberg09182008pt1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationinstitute.org&#8230;..9182008pt1</a></p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1637965</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also - a mandatory evacuation should be just that. Even if the local officials have to drag people out at gunpoint and put them on buses. This is ridiculous - and after the storm these people who want to ‘ride it out’ are all yelling for someone to come rescue them and expecting other people to risk their lives in the process.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um, no.  This is Texas.  Anyone trying to “drag people out at gunpoint” runs a serious risk of being met with more firepower (and, in one truly bizarre case, a live lion:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/091608dntexikelion.8221a2dd.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....1a2dd.html&lt;/a&gt;).  I think people down here were told quite explicitly that they needed to leave, and that they were risking their lives if they stayed.  Many decided that the risk to their lives was minimal compared to the risk to their property if they left it behind.  I think that they made a very bad choice, but it’s hard for me to fault public officials for this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also &#8211; a mandatory evacuation should be just that. Even if the local officials have to drag people out at gunpoint and put them on buses. This is ridiculous &#8211; and after the storm these people who want to ‘ride it out’ are all yelling for someone to come rescue them and expecting other people to risk their lives in the process.</p>
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<p>Um, no.  This is Texas.  Anyone trying to “drag people out at gunpoint” runs a serious risk of being met with more firepower (and, in one truly bizarre case, a live lion:  <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/091608dntexikelion.8221a2dd.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dallasnews.com/shar&#8230;..1a2dd.html</a>).  I think people down here were told quite explicitly that they needed to leave, and that they were risking their lives if they stayed.  Many decided that the risk to their lives was minimal compared to the risk to their property if they left it behind.  I think that they made a very bad choice, but it’s hard for me to fault public officials for this.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/19/missing-and-presumed-dead/#comment-1637941</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was on the local Austin news; the CBS station.  Interviews with the firemen who have returned.  Sort of closing line that free counsel for trauma due to what they’ve seen will be available.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was on the local Austin news; the CBS station.  Interviews with the firemen who have returned.  Sort of closing line that free counsel for trauma due to what they’ve seen will be available.</p>
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