If you’re actually concerned about solvency; about whether banks can meet their obligations, this makes no sense (h/t naked capitalism):
The action by the four banking agencies provides more favorable accounting treatment of so-called good will, an intangible asset that reflects the difference between the market value and selling price of a bank.
Uh yes, because people right now are willing to pay more for a bank than the value of its assets minus liabilities. Not. This isn’t mark to market, this is mark-to-make-believe.
Under the proposal issued this week, the regulators would permit buyers of banks and thrifts to count some of the good will toward meeting their regulatory capital requirements… Banking industry executives who have long sought changes in accounting treatment of good will applauded the decision.
So let me get this straight. Over the past week, regulators have decided to allow banks to:
- Gamble with depositors money by getting rid of the rule that said they couldn’t use that money to prop up their investment banking divisions, because using depositor money to gamble used to be considered bad.
- Decided to allow them to us an "asset" that you can’t actually sell or borrow against, and whose value is pretty much whatever banks say it is, to meet reserve requirements?
Truly, as my friend Suzanne said, this is Tinkerbell regulation. "If only we believe the banks have more money, they do!" And "nothing could go wrong with letting banks gamble with depositor’s money!"
And what happened the last time regulators gave the financial sector something it thought it really really wanted? Barry Ritholz tells us:
You read that right — the events of the past year are not a mere accident, but are the results of a conscious and willful SEC decision to allow these firms to legally violate existing net capital rules that, in the past 30 years, had limited broker dealers debt-to-net capital ratio to 12-to-1.
Instead, the 2004 exemption — given only to 5 firms — allowed them to lever up 30 and even 40 to 1.
Who were the five that received this special exemption? You won’t be surprised to learn that they were Goldman, Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley.
Easing regulation is what got us into this. Making banks balance sheets even more a fantasy than they are already is not going to "increase confidence" and neither is letting banks gamble with depositor money. This is not Never Never Land, for all that the regulators act as if it is. "If only we believe!"
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I’m sure that one of St. McCain’s blue ribbon commissions will get around to studying this too.
This is Full Metal Skilling – aykfm ?
We officially have crack addicts in charge of our economy. Heaven help us and pass the ammo and canned goods.
Well, in fairness, good will is worth something. You just can’t put a dollar value on it, and Ian’s exactly right that just making stuff up is not an answer. And it’s not going to stop runs on bank stocks.
Bush Jr’s treasury dept about to create another Bail-out-A-Bush organization a la Resolution Trust during his daddy’s tenure.
Once again, Jr. Bush bigger-worser than his daddy.
Has America learned yet that the Bush Brand is toxic waste?
Boy oh boy. The docs are doing everything they can, but are they going to be able to keep this patient alive another 7 weeks to hand off to the next shift? If they pull it off, the moves you highlight here are sure to be some big-time landmines.
Why is the Bush Family relentlessly trying to destroy America?
Ian,
that sorta answers my question, who in the hell has the juice to stop this ?
blood suckers
I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
With lots of crack in Wasilla, Palin will know just what to do.
Trump is clappin’, Trump is clappin’…John is tough, John’s a fighter…
Goodwill? Banks have goodwill? Banks that charge for each and every little thing depositors do or don’t do have goodwill? Banks that place a fee on everything have ‘goodwill?’
Mwahahahahahahaha!!!
Thanks Ian. There are a lot of people out there that are unaware of the tragic bad accounting pratices that brought us to the place we find ourselves today. Now that the fools who thought this shell game was a good idea are running around playing “asset, asset whose got an asset” there are none to be found. They have been bundled and sold.
before the election….
Just wind McCain up and watch him go!
Ian, what do you think of the debt trash-can they proposed this afternoon? Will it help?
Usury.
Palin is all Obama’s fault, says Trump, because he didn’t pick Hillary.
Funk that.
They would have put up Palin against her and viralized their base.
That should be a great argument for McCain to use in any debate: You made me pick her!
McShame and Gramm think the economy is “psychological” so why not play mind games. Only problem anyone with a mind will perceive this to be BS and throwing money, they have no right to, into a dry hole.
The current economy is like a huge pyramid game.
So, where is FDIC gonna get more money to cover the increased risk?
Magical thinking has worked so well for Bush (along with daddy pulling strings for him) that it should work well for banks and everyone!
Dear Credit Card Companies:
In future I will be paying twenty percent (20%) of your bills with my newly created Sayre Goodwill Bucks. Thank you for your understanding in this vital matter.
Yours truly,
Mr. Sayre, creator,
Sayre Goodwill Bucks
and again Trump is wrong
McCain picked her because BO wouldn’t agree to his town halls *g*
lol
’tain’t good will with us, dakine…
it’s good will with other banks and bidnesses.
Made of imaginary bricks
I notice McOily pointing at the audience like Hillary did while campaigning whenever Sarah takes the podium…big cheesy smile and cramped Blackberry thumbs up. awkward!
Oh, didn’t you get your goody bag? Look inside for your share of Bear Stearns and AIG and some Bush brownies and a little Tinkerbell toy.
Thanks Ian,
I now understand more fully why there were so many “Rangers” among the Wall Street elite. It was not just about their personal tax burdens.
He was probably told that by acting like Hillary he’d capture her voters.
Isn’t Goodwill a place that distributes donated used clothes and stuff
Digg is Open Pups!
Dear Mr Sayre,
We think your new Sayre bucks venture shows promise and we’d like to discuss opportunities to take it public.
VTY,
Bank of America
By: Merrill Lynch
a wholly owned subsidiary
The funny thing about the “good will” asset is that it’s just like that pesky “marital trust” asset. It tends to run out just when you need it most. When you come home at 3:00 a.m. with lipstick on your collar and whiskey on your breath, the “marital trust” asset would be most useful, and where did it go? When your balance sheet shows a 60-to-1 debt to asset ratio, and expenses of $200 million to the CEO just for being a fat white guy in a suit, why, your “good will” asset just seems to… disappear!
Does this mean my dividend checks from fannie, freddie and aig won’t be arriving soon?
Capture? I’d have to be in POW-like circumstances to vote for him, that’s for sure.
Wow, so he did some affirmative action hiring. I feel so understood. How did he know that I’m against curbing domestic violence, anti-choice, need more training for equal pay, didn’t want s-chip, and need my phone calls screened? Wow. Thanks Mr. McCain. You so have rocks in your head.
Congress could. I doubt they will though. Too quick, too distracted.
This whole economic meltdown is making Bush’s MBA look a little suspicious. Maybe he didn’t really earn it.
Missed that, still catching up. Link?
hahahahahaha
lol
Dear Mr. Sayre,
We truly admire your hard work and innovation. We would like to offer you a position on our staff and invite your contribution of 1 million Sayre bucks for our efforts to take on the old boys network and high rollers of Wall Street.
Yours in Reform,
Phil Gramm
Palin/McCain ‘08
God Bless America
Maybe it is the concept of an MBA that should be brought into question.
That’s been virtually acknowledged by some of his HBS classmates. Once you get into a school that is of that elite stature, they make it almost impossible for you to flunk out.
Hahaha
thanks.
been having some fun, ruining goopers lunches with your Obama could have FDR’s economic power comment the other night :D
wasn’t this what naomi klein warned us about in her book shock doctrine? that when there is a crisis, we the people are at least temporarily in a state of shock – and that is when the market fundamentalists swoop in to institute their long dreamed of plans.
iirc, the advice she gave was that we needed to help eachother to come out of our state of shock (stress, fear, etc) as fast as possible so that we could push back with our own “solutions” – in times of crisis it’s not enough to object to their’s.
so…. what do you-all think ought to be our top three policy priorities?
(i haven’t read “shock doctrine”, just listened to some interviews with naomi kline on democracy now!)
if they’re selling good will, you know it’s time to invest in ill will.
Used to work in MBA admissions. Has always worried me there that are no standard credentialing, continuing education requirements for those who have MBAs.
good point, I’m watching closely whenever the word drill is used in any form.
Ian…”Under the proposal issued this week, the regulators would permit buyers of banks and thrifts to count some of the good will toward meeting their regulatory capital requirements… Banking industry executives who have long sought changes in accounting treatment of good will applauded the decision.”
So Tax monies lent by Treasury at 11% to big banks who have lost large chunks of cash due to risky investments and have shortage.
How is borrowing money help you get out of debt?
Cause.
Effect. Clearly, no relationship whatsoever.Evidently leverages of 30:1 have nothing whatsoever to do with National Security, so surely no need to worry about any of this. What’s a little reckless gambling with billions among friends, eh?
Isn’t that called the McShame campaign
i don’t think obama can have fdr’s power to implement progressive change without a progressive movement to provide some counter-pressure to the robber barons. that’s a big difference between now and then.
WTF? Is it Opposite Day? Saturnalia? Did ‘The Onion’ take over the NYT? Maybe this is where my nightmare gets so ridiculously that I wake up and discover that the last 8 years didn’t really happen. No? Man, we’re screwed.
Must Be Artificial
Just curious but can I use my goodwill to pay off my debts?
To me (no offense to MBAs who think) MBA people came into the work world like I’m Massa Bad Ass. annoying!
If someone will pay you for it.
I think that much of the program of the MBA are founded on the Raygun era model of how businesses should be run. This is part of the faulty paradigm that is now crumbling.
Sure you can, and you can blow off subpoenas too…its a brand new world.
See #25 for our FAQ about economic reform.
I don’t disagree with you.
just having some fun at the Mayberry Macchiavellians expense
usually greet them by asking them if Hugo Bush had nationalized anything that morning :D
more ice tea comrades ?
Ian…explain how borrowing your way out of debt works? The plan must be never pay it back>
that is fucking hilarious. thank you for the laugh.
print the money to pay it back. hey, we don’t even need paper – just a few electrons!
Paulson et al meeting w/ congress financial gurus rumor is that they are talking about coming up with some form of trust to hold bad assets. Price tag – trillion +. Trust similar to after S & L crap.
Enron booked their liabilities as assets, Arthur Anderson was shut down for complicity. This form of creative accounting is widely used in the “Corporate Culture” to produce positive earnings for stock holders then they are restated next quarter.
All these moves a happening so fast, fast shuffles, that the real values are admittedly unknown. That is not business that is monkey business.
The “goodwill” valuation like the further dismantling of Glass-Steagall is just a way of pushing bad debt around instead of paying it or writing it off. Bernanke and Paulson continue not to address the debt that is sinking everyone instead they try to keep markets afloat by injections of cash (printing money) and creative accounting (fantasy bucks).
In 1969 a hippie on Haight street was selling “Magic Paper” looks like je started something.
Voodoo economics anyone
Not knowing what else is not on the books for the last quarter stated, one has to wonder just how bad it really truly is.
I’m not a financial type at all, but I know what quarterly statement are and that people push all the bad news off as long as they can to keep stockholders “happy”.
Just wondering what we’ll find out after the election…
Pretty Paper
Sure you can payoff debts with your Sayre goodwill bucks, but I think it would be better for the country to use them as collateral for a bank loan and spend the proceeds at the mall.
Looks like you can add one more to your list of being right Ian. I remember in the response section you were asked where this was going and you replied that it probably was going down now, but that they may pull one more big bail out and let them go again (paraphrase). Looks like you were again right on the money. Please keep up the good reporting, someone at the big buisness network should hire you, but we all know they do not want to hear the truth.
Here it is.
Sorry for the late response. Wandered off to start dinner. Panang curry with chicken and veggies in a half hour or so. Hold out your bowls.
Conflicts with Accounting rules that would call for a write down of impaired Goodwill?
http://www.bnasoftware.com/med…..odwill.pdf
ok, i’m going to attempt to answer my own question.
1. disclosure/transparency requirements for all banking / financial institutions. how in the hell are they able to hide the big shit pile from our examination?
Anyone know what’s going on with Morgan Stanley? Still alot of rumors about a three way merger between CITIC, MS and Wachovia, which I still think must violate some national security law or other.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi…..le/7808203
Dear Wachovia customer, your mortgage has been moved to Beijing…
The stock market rose 410 points today. I think this is because of the big injection of capital today. I also think this is another case of throwing good money after bad and at the some point the markets will realize this and slump again.
apologies to Mark Knopfler …
♪shoulda learned to play the Fed
shoulda learned to game The Sleaze
look at the Banker, he got it workin in the boardroom
Man we coulda had some cheese
we gotta install make believe assets
custom rich guy deliveries
we gotta move these goodwill numbers
we gotta p’wnd the F-D-I-C ♫
not funny.
ps – my inner prankster is gonna have some fun with the local Palin’s about this and mark of the beast :D
New Neiwert upstairs Bush DoJ: Threats to Obama? What threats to Obama?
Dear Mr. Sayre,
It has come to our attention that 5 million Sayre goodwill bucks have found their way into the Obama-Biden campaign coffers. This is not legal currency and we hereby order you to cease and desist. You will surrender yourself to the US Marshal Service at the Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank tomorrow at noon or a warrant will be issued for your arrest.
Sincerely,
United States Secret Service
I would say:
Indict Bushco and everyone that enabled them to destroy this country
Restore our rights
End the war
There are so many other worthy priorities as well….sigh.
Ain’t this inneresting?
The things you learn on wiki…my bold.
All my joking aside, Selise. You are correct this must be addressed – and pronto. But who will stand up and point out the emperor’s nakedness?
Perhaps the immediate question should be why cannot comments be extended and consideration of this rule deferred until after the election?
at this point, I’d settle for show trials. I mean, now that we’re a socialized country an’ all :)
no references to reagan or i’m gonna pull this one out:
i was really going to immediate economic reform – but i suppose this one counts:
the only problem is that our dear senate just acted to continue it:
Senate Passed, by 88-8, an additional $70 billion for wars in iraq afghanistan.
mccain, obama and biden did not show up to vote.
voting no on the bill:
Allard (R-CO)
Byrd (D-WV)
Coburn (R-OK)
DeMint (R-SC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
Sanders (I-VT)
Vitter (R-LA)
voting no cloture:
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Corker (R-TN)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
“who will srand up …”
Hmmm, you mean like all those ‘more and better’ folks we put in Congress in 2006?
Whom we somehow thought were on ‘our’ side; as selise has pointed out, ’tweren’t jus’ good ole rethugs done compromise us …
They can’t wait to haul ass out of Dee Cee and ‘rush’ off to ‘recess’.
Why they pobably won’t evevn bother to hold his Lardship, Karl Rove in Contemp of their august body, the cowards.
There we go with that psychological stuff
…obama wrote it.
I am a CPA with an MBA who has worked in the “financial services” industry for around 15 years. I have seen up-close-and-personal just how stupid the decision-making process can be, and why far more regulatory constraints should be imposed.
As regards the issue of goodwill specifically, I can tell you with some measure of authority that such intangible (hot air) assets have often been generated as a result of short-sighted decisions made by individuals who really have no business running such companies. I’ve seen financial institutions buy other “financial service” companies, pay far too much for them, and be left with no alternative but to “book” these essentially fictitious assets to make the transaction work.
When the auditors come through to do their year-end work, you invariably see the principals do some serious tap dancing to justify why those assets should not be written off. From the point of view of an accountant and an insider, the whole thing is a Big Joke. Moreover, what I am describing is much more the rule than the exception. Eventually this house of cards has to collapse. That’s what we’re seeing in the mortgage market. We haven’t even gotten around to the intangibles as yet.
Thanks for that observation. If you don’t mind my asking do you work for the big boys?
Financials were down a lot up until about 1 PM EST. I was able to sell another put before then, $265 purchase, $450 sale. End of the day the option closed at $281. I’ve still got one contract I think it will sell for more than $450 sometime in the next 3 weeks. At this point it’s all house money, as I’ve sold the first two contracts for more than I initially paid for all 3.
I’ve noticed a lot of comment in the blogosphere that the DOW is basically where it was when Clinton left office. That’s true, but it misses a very important point – those dollars are worth significantly less.
Here’s what the Fed says: something costing $1.00 in 2000 costs $1.25 in 2008.
US Dollar index lost value from Jan 2001 value of 125.275 to 78.21 today. This indicates a greater loss of purchasing power abroad – the dollar buys fewer euros, yen, etc. (Historical data from the Fed, current data from yahoo).
Both the CPI and dollar index mean that we’ve lost purchasing power. There’s a little silver lining to the dollar index dropping – foreign purchasers of US goods and investors in the US are using cheaper (to the foreign buyer) dollars.
I’ll go out on a limb and suggest the dollar index could break below 70 in the near future, central bank intervention notwithstanding. One factor is S&P talking about downgrading US Treasury debt. If that happens the dollar should drop quickly (and bond yields increase at the same time).
I’m way late but hoping Ian will catch this. First , how DOES the public comment on this crap?
Secondly, I read this:
“Stocks surge on report of entity for bad debt
“The big comeback followed a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks’ bad debt. “
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..all_street
Another RTC is NOT what is needed; comment Ian? What is the ‘entity’ referenced?
I don’t work for the giant “big boys”, but big enough, I think, to make such observations. To put it bluntly: There are plenty of idiots pulling the levers out there, and this assertion may be made no matter the size of the institution. Basically, both the mindset and regulatory constraints are the same. As for the giants in the industry, the old axiom holds true: The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
I’m anxious to see Ian’s reaction to the proposal to form another entity to take and then ultimately dispose of their bad debt without absorbing the entire financial institution. The way I envision this is that they have the entities unbundle the loans that they bought, determine which are the problem loans, bundle them up and off to the government’s newly formed entity, leaving the seller with all their remaining performing assets. Would this concept be wrong?
I suppose I should expand on what I am saying to include the fact that the new Fed agency buys the bad loans at bargain basement prices, fire sale prices, whatever you want to call it. That adds to the bank’s capital formation and takes away much of their worst exposure to liabilities. At this point, the financial institutions are on their own, sink or swim, either survival or bankruptcy. If this doesn’t make them more solvent, that’s between them and their legal team.
If the bad loans still have occupants, the new agency renegotiates loans with the owners; otherwise they sell the properties just as the FHA or VA do. In either case, they must mark the properties down to market values at this point, and they must give buyers or refinancers fixed loans at reasonable rates that the buyers or occupants can afford. Fixes the financial markets; helps determine the floor for the real estate market, which helps to fix that market, too. I think this would minimize losses all the way around.
Main problem, I understand that the loan had something to do with derivatives, which I know nothing about, so…
thanks Jim. Really depends on the details. I would buy the mortgages, reset them to 30 or 50 year fixed, add in some caveats (government gets half of sale price over the amount the mortgage was bought for) and so on.
Ann: sounds about right, yes. The price will matter a lot, and breaking them up could prove to be very complicated. You could buy them whole, I guess…
Just a business with a lot of money that buys bad debt (probably at higher prices than it should) then sells them again. The idea is to set a price for the debt, as well as to get it off banks balance sheets so you know what situation they’re actually in. Right now no one knows how bad things are, because no one knows what price to give these things.
Nobody’s paying any attention to the laws right now. The Fed has seized a ton of power it has no statutory right to already.
And because of CDS’s, no one really knows who owes what to whom, so assuming ‘all’ basically says it is completely unknown -and would forever be- exactly what the amount is.
I still can’t find where public comment is solicited by “The agencies that issued the proposal — the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Comptroller of the Currency, the Office of Thrift Supervision and the Federal Reserve — indicated that it would be adopted after only 30 days of public comment”
I do see where the FDIC has a bunch of real estate for sale.