(Update: Sean Paul, who worked in the field for years, opines that the Feds should have let AIG go down. The pile is too big to pile out of anyway, and the Feds are only delaying the inevitable. So let it burn!)
Socialists could never have done to the market what the free marketers have. The socialization they never wanted done, they’re now down on their knees begging for. "Buy us. Please buy us. Save us from ourselves".
As the news that AIG has sold 79.9% itself to the Federal government for 85 billion dollars, Scarecrow wrote to me:
Seriously, this is staggering. The US government is about topurchase and operate as a government entity the world’s largest insurance company for $85 billion.
So the US now owns/operates the entities that purchases home mortgages from banks/S&Ls (and owns $5 trillion of that) and the largest entity that insures the transactions that repackages and resells those mortgages.
I will add that this shouldn’t be a surprise to FDL’s readers:
Written in March:
14) The federal government will become the largest holder of mortgages, and in effect, owner of houses, in the country. By far. The Fed, which has been accepting sub-prime paper already, is going to wind up stuck with a lot of it, because some of the banks using it as "collateral" are not going to survive absent huge government bailouts.
11) The government will have to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they are insolvent
Written in November:
7)Multiple banks will probably go insolvent. They are simply holding too much crap paper. There will be an extreme tightening of consumer debt of all kinds, including consumer loans, credit cards and mortgages. Even people with good credit will start having difficulty getting loans.
*10) *When the full extent of how bad things are hits Joe Public, expect a move for reregulation of Wall Street and to reinstitute something similiar to Glass-Steagall.
So, the fun will continue. It’s very interesting that Paulson let Lehman go under, but blinked on AIG. It’s because they insure mortgages. Without that insurance a lot of pension funds, municipalities, and so on can’t own mortgage backed securities, because most of them would be below the necessary rating. I hope it’s obvious that if the insurer is bankrupt, it’s insurance isn’t worth much. Fortunately the US isn’t bankrupt. Yet.
A lot of this smacks of foreign debt holders telling the US what to do. Because my great fear, and I’m sure Paulson and Bernanke’s fear as well, is what happens if the Chinese decide to stop financing America. If they get twitchy, the Fed would be forced to either watch as the dollar crashed (and I do mean crashed, 20% would be reasonable) or intervene by raising interest rates precipitously (probably to over 10%), crushing the economy like a cockroach underneath a jackhammer.
Oh, and Obama (assuming he wins)? Most powerful president since FDR, in economic terms. When you own the market, you get to tell it what to do. No need for laws, you appoint the boards and CEOs. All he needs now is for Bernanke and Paulson to have to take over Citigroup.
Related posts:
- Why We Should All Work for the Federal Government
- Obama: If Private Insurers are Such Crack Businesses, How Can “Incompetent” Government Put Them Out of Business?
- NYT Front Page: Have You Hugged Your Health Insurance Company Today?
- Bailing Out Failed Management: Health Insurance Company Edition
- Bill Black is Right: Federal Reserve = Oversight FAIL





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Hi Ian…. worry because my fixed rate mortgage is with WaMu…..
My worry is that we have multiple accounts with Wachovia. Minimal exposure in terms of total dollars, but it will be a huge pain in the patootie if we have to link all of our electronic transactions through a different bank if they go under…
Looking back just for a second, this shouldn’t surprise anyone since George W. Bush has ALWAYS required bailouts after his numerous screw-ups. What we’re seeing now is the typical pattern of Dumbya’s life.
THIS is why it’s important to understand a candidate’s life, their failures and successes.
John McCain finished near the bottom of his Navy class.
John McCain crashed four airplanes BEFORE even getting to Vietnam.
John McCain only flew 20 hours in Nam before being shot down.
John McCain ‘broke’ (in his own words) and told his captors everything.
John McCain received special treatment because he was an Admiral’s son.
John McCain then proceeded to build a career based on all that POW stuff.
Imagine that administration!
So how are all the Repubs (who cheered today when McCrazy essentially said that Lehman got what it deserved)(and aren’t gonna be bailed out) gonna take this?
Food, fuel, medicine, ammo.
Just in case.
at this rate taxpayers will own wamu by the end of the week, and you’ll owe yourself that mortgage. now I shall go off and compose an ode to Marx in celebration of our status as the world’s largest old style socialist economy
Anyone seeing this coming went short on financial stocks.
Citigroup does look shaky. i’ve seen estimates of over 100 banks that have a Texas Ratio that makes their short term prospects very poor.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and tell you that a new mortgage company – should one be assigned to you – cannot change your loan balance, payment terms or interest rate. Don’t sweat it.
So does that mean I don’t have to pay myself mortgage payments?
I’ve been watching them a lot…because my best friend is an ex-employee and has a lot of stock. They are “on the edge”. She (an ex-exec VP) thinks they are “too big to fail” and will be bailed out because they are the biggest…I’m not so sure…
What say you?
You must always pay unless your name is Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz…
bwaaaaahaaaaaa Ian,
Look what I was linking when I saw your title
you haven’t just been always on the money, you have taught many of us the mechanics and conditions of what would make it happen. and on a personal level we’ll know what to look for these bastids try this flim flammery again (and they will)
Thank you Comrade Welsh
AIG Life Australia insures 1.3 million Australians, mostly for superannuation funds.
JimW: I’m not sure if this is so — I read a comment somewheres that the FDIC does not insure -accounts- but individuals, so potentially one could still get stung … the devils in the details …
Did you see that all of McCain’s handlers boycotted Rachel’s show?
We are seeing more of the New Republican Economics, cornerstone of which is the socialization of risk and the privatization of profits. Somewhere out there P.T. Barnum is kicking himself for not thinking of this scam..
I’m so happy that our ruling kleptokakistocracy has decided to take advantage of our “strong economic fundamentals” to invest it’s massive surpluses in the wellbeing of our future through the provision of state-sponsored housing mortgages and universal insurance. I feel so greatful to be living in shrubco/mcsame’s prosperos and foresighted America.
where did you see that
Chicken-shits
I am quite sure they do not want to be around smart people.
Hoo boy. Good thing I had a good laugh downstairs.
Ian….. explaining what the FDIC insurance covers and the parameters would be a good post for those of us financially challenged…
I know it is an individual up to $100,000 but is it per account or bank?
If the account is a joint account, how is it different?
If someone has more than $100,000 in an account, should they split it across other accounts?
I think Goldman Sachs is doing OK (you say “the biggest”, and I think prior to the BoA/Merrill deal GS was the biggest). It really depends on a lot of things that I can’t comment on without more information.
Selling some of the “lot of stock” is a good idea regardless. “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket” is a useful aphorism. (I follow it with my flock of chickens – eggs aren’t left where they might attract raccoons!)
Cash, foreign currency… I’ve had some success with shorting the financials via put options on the XLF ETF, although this is pure gambling and shouldn’t be done with money you can’t afford to lose. Nice when it pays off though – $185 on Aug 29 turned into $400 today. Downside is it could easily have gone to $0 and options are a wasting asset.
There has to be some wonderful irony in this. The most extreme champions of laissez-faire capitalism, advocates of reducing the government until it could be drowned in the bathtub, champions of deregulation and elimination of “red tape”, and the free market, have now been forced to become even larger and more impossibly interventionist and bureaucratic than their own worst nightmares.
Hey, Phil Gramm, how’s tricks?
Bob in HI
katymine, here’s a primer. Do read it. Basically though, except for a retirment account, don’t have more than 100K per bank.
Rachel said (on tonight’s show) that none of McCain’s handlers (that she asked) would agree to appear on her show (to talk about the strong economy fundamentals gaffe).
The Republicans obviously want Rachel to fail.
In general FDIC insurance is per bank, not per account. That said if you have business,personal, jointly held accounts it can be complicated.
Mine is there also and my military pension goes in at the first of each month. Someone will buy your and my mortgage, since they are fixed rate and we are good risks. Be very watchful of your escrow account. If the loan is sold and especially, resold again, your escrow account is the biggest worry. If your taxing entity doesn’t send out courtesy property tax notices, make sure you know when to call them after the tax bills are due.
When we refinanced recently, the paperwork indicated an escrow account. I was NOT happy. The Red in SueTheRedWA indicates my hair color and yes, I can get pretty hot. The paperwork was at my lawyer’s office and the staff member said they get lots of calls about escrow accounts. Either the company didn’t pay the tax or insurance or they told you they collected too much, gave it back, and then realized that they hadn’t paid enough and you now had to come up with the money. My former job took me to the county treasurer’s office often enough to see couple after couple trying to fix a problem with unpaid taxes. I made it quite clear, we weren’t signing until that escrow account stuff was gone. The problem was fixed within minutes.
Some humor from lolfed.
Better make that $85bn.
When I cautiously said “the biggest”…it is because my friend who worked for them said it was the “biggest” in the world…yikes…I…know..nothing…myself..the gambling part..sounds fun, if you can afford it..why not..??? The market is just a big gamble anyway, and I fully understand the draw towards it…in fact..if I had any money myself…I’d be gambling right now…while the prices are down..*g*
It’s per bank all accounts totaled up. I looked it up a while ago.
Question for Ian.
So we’ve got tens of thousands of houses in the Houston area either blown to bits or at least badly damaged. What about those mortgages if the owners walk away? Where does that fit into the mortgage insurance biz? And also the houses under water in the Chicago area, etc.
really? You have a link to that? I would love to read about it
George Bush, drugstore banker.
lol nevermind. I see where you replied *g*
Comrades:
I grew up hearing about thermonuclear war: begged my parents to construct a fallout shelter (they were too kind to tell me were so close to Caltech and the Jet Propulsion Lab there’d be nothing left to come out of the shelter for)
I grew up in a California with working schools, roads, and hospitals…only to hear “America can’t afford that” as Reagan pillaged Federal funding to fight what that (twice-divorced atheist) told us were the heathen Communists.
I watched as wave upon wave of destitute, terrified refugees fled Reagan’s wars in Central America to find refuge in Southern California. After all, the Commies of Nicarauga, we were told, were only two days from Texas.
I listened as North, Poindexter, and their co-conspirators strutted and crowed about undermining the Republic and trashing the Constitution: all to protect the American Way Of Life from those godless Commies.
I read Le Carre’s dysphoric ouevre as his characters lived through the West’s long parabolic towards mirroring the totalitarian commies we so feared that we would destroy our planet rather than live in their image.
Here at the Lake, I’ve read us discuss how America’s “leaders”:
- rig elections
- depsise representative government
- overthrow the Republic
- subvert the Constitution
- abduct and detain without warrant
- torture
- commit extra-judicial murder
- willfully refuse to plan for, provide for, or maintain the Common Good
- subordinate Federal enforcement to corporatist rule
- surrender Federal assets to corporatist possession
- prohibit public assmembly
- prohibit public speech
- criminalize non-violent dissent
- overturn habeas corpus
- overturn the Fourth Amendment
- direct the military against the “Homeland”
- criminalize administratve infractions
- carry out mass domestic arrests and detentions…
and now America’s corporatist “leaders” have established State enterprises owning vast swathes of America’s housing, finance, and insurance industries.
Pups, we’d have been better off walking away from the Cold War thirty years ago and using all those trillions to build decent transport, good schools, affordable housing, and excellent health care.
In the meantime….
Does anyone have the sheet music for the “Star Spangled Banner”…. to the tune of the “Internationale”?
Thanks Ian…. I myself do not have that kind of money but my parents received a big payout on their house for the fire repairs, the account is a joint account…. at a local credit union ….
Btw, not 28 years, but 38 … securitization was birthed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development in 1970.
As for the label ‘free marketer’ applied to the banking scum that demand welfare, it is to laugh — like St. Augustine praying for chastity “but, Lord, not just yet.”
“FDIC insurance fund can cover high losses — Bair” ; http://www.reuters.com/article…..16?sp=true
“The FDIC’s fund is currently below the minimum set by Congress in a 2006 law. The failure of IndyMac Bank in July cost $8.9 billion.”
http://ap.google.com/article/A…..wD9384DM00
Obviously, the next time someone trots out the ’socialism’ , the rebuttal is easy.
So what is the total amount the U.S. Treasury finds itself on the line for all these efforts?
And what effect does the FED’s ‘line of credit’ have on overall monetary policy? The spread between the FED’s overnight rate for interbank loans is in unknown territory (meaning 2% by the FED versus the almost 10% the banks are charging one another).
Delicious !
hadn’t even gone there yet. will sleep like a baby tonight
Alright…. heading out for a walk with my neighbor….. finally the root canal pain is down to a dull roar…… catch ya all later and THANKS Ian (and everyone else)
this is un-tracking-believable. the scale of our national trainwreck is truly awesome to comprehend. a venezualan friend is with me now telling about the consequences of nationalizations in a weak economy where the government has already broken the counterbalance of monetary policy with too much cheap money… exactly where we are now. bush is Chavez without oil
I think the warrant thing gives us some kind of stake in the company, but I don’t see how that gives the Government control over the board and the officers. The main point of the warrants is that if there is an upside, the Fed gets it.
In the meantime, there won’t be dividends on either common or preferred, and the interest rate is LIBOR + (an astonishing) 8.5%.
Bingo.
I live fairly close to where you grew up, near JPL.
Thanks for sharing your history.
Like everyone else here, I’m saddened by the long list you have posted, and other tragedies.
I have spent a good part of today finding solutions for some of the problems my family is facing.
I hope you can feel better soon too.
Watch the swinging watch and repeat after me… Corporate Socialism, Good. Citizen Socialism, Bad. Maybe even evil…
I’m a mathematician and computer scientist that’s mostly interested in hard sciences. I’ve worked mostly with software for engineering projects.
Over the past 3-5 years I’ve been paying attention to finance because of being laid off and wanting to have long term financial stability in my life. So when I say gambling yes it is, but there are some fundamentals that told me that financial stocks were going to crash and that I could see pretty good odds that $185 of XLF put option would be pretty likely to double (and limited risk – just the $185). and it paid off better than 100% in 18 days. I don’t mistake it for anything but gambling… Outright stock ownership doesn’t have the same payoffs, I keep some of my retirement funds in stocks, some in foreign currency (FDIC insured for principal, not currency risk).
OMG! I thought I messed Rachel Maddow but they are repeating it now at 8pm PST…Bill Maher on Palin tonight.
Biden is kicking ass on the economy.
Dugg it
Irony just died in excruciating pain. Now to go read the comments.
those crazy kidz over at calculated risk loosely concur both are wiped out
it is wonks gone wild over there
The Fundamentals Of Our Economy Are Strong.™
—John Sidney McCain III, 9/16/08
I need a drink. Then another.
I keep buggin J that we should buy a used RV, because in another year, we’re not going to have jobs and if we have our savings and an RV, we may not be living high on the hog, but we’ll be cool in the summer (rooftop A/C) and dry in the winter.
Anybody else so bad off that might happen? We’re both working but I’m losing my job on Oct. 24.
If they walk away, the bank takes possession. Of course, they take possession of not much. Walking away may be the smartest thing to do. Go hand the keys to the bank, start over. But it depends, Federal aid may allow rebuilding, not sure.
You guys are a buncn of whiners, McCain’s Blue Ribbon Commission will solve all of this!
New GOP Slogan, for the New Economic Program:
All Power to the Soviets of Preachers and Brokers!
Modern securitization seems to be of much more recent provenance.
Here is what the FDIC says about the FDIC insurance (it has a pdf that can be read).
http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/insured/
Are you watching TDS? He’s been on a roll lately!
Yeah but your wife will wind up gambling away the nest egg when you go to Vegas.
If they’re actually getting that percentage of the stock, and I think they are (though I sure could be wrong) then they have the votes to elect whoever they want to the board.
Yeah, that Pabst Blue Ribbon Commission, since they’re so drunk on power and money.
talk about big sh*tpile, huh? Its becoming way to literal.
Wow!
I saw the election stuff first hand in the 1984 general election – I was almost arrested in Indiana for “more than 1 minute in the polling booth”, 2 friends were arrested, 2 other friends were arrested for trying to vote without updating their registration to reflect they had moved across the street within their precinct. One ended up spending 6 months on the state penal farm for questioning a judge disallowing him to read the state constitution to the jury.
I guess the point is that this country hasn’t had fair elections for a long time if ever. We should just go the third world route and proudly show we voted by our purple fingers.
May be a dumb question, but does this mean there are going to be lots of less expensive homes on the market soon?
isn’t corporate socialist akin to fascism? :p. just saying
and what then happens when a new administration comes in? Regime change at AIG?
Confirmed. Reuters:
If they want, yeah, though it might take till the next general meeting. Though I doubt the board would do that. The response would be really really unpleasant.
Yes. You are not alone. Not by a long shot. It should help to know that. Seen the news lately. Yep. You are not alone.
I’ve read many tales of tough times for folks here at the Lake. You have too?
Not along. Not by a long shot.
Sounds like you have a plan.
how cozy. They needed to find another job for Jeb. Made to order.
We should have surrendered to the Chinese. Their economy is booming and there is only slightly more political repression.
OT –
A former aide in the U.S. Congress charged with giving secret information to Iraqi intelligence agents is mentally incompetent to stand trial, a federal judge has ruled.
*snip*
U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska sided with prosecutors, ruling that Lindauer was mentally unfit for trial.
What the fuck, Chuck?
I have *never* heard of prosecutors seeking to have a defendant declared mentally unfit.
Something stinks – a lot – here.
Is that good new? or bad?
since we’re in an exproprietory national mood can’t we nationalize exxon? please, pretty please?
You’re being snarky, right?
oops – link:
http://www.reuters.com/article…..me=topNews
lol
Only somewhat.
And I love that she’s Andrew Card’s cousin!
Was it Karl Rove?
:(
It’s the European central bankers telling Bernanke what to do. After all, they own the Federal Reserve Banking system.
James Warburg once said to Congress, “We shall have World Government by either conquest or consent.”
Having control is good. Although as Eg pointed out to me, odds are that they’ll outsource control to private hands, let them run it as they will.
But once Obama is in, if he wants to (and that remains to be determined), he can take a more firm and direct hand.
Control is almost always good. If you’re paying the bills, you should make the calls.
And I love that she’s Andrew Card’s cousin!
“I was effectively gagged and silenced,” Lindauer said in a statement at the hearing.
I have to admit, Demi, I have read that stuff.
There’s a RV Campground in Why, Az., where you can park your RV for $1700 a YEAR. It has free wifi and full hookups. The only extra expense is electricity.
It’s probably white trash city, but at least I could have some peace. ANybody wanna start a FDL annex in the Arizona Desert?
I dunno. I’m kinda partial to having surrendered to the Russians. At least we’d have been in line for subsidized energy exports.
Besides, now that I’ve been living in a neighborhood with signs in both Russian and Chinese, I’m pretty sure learning to read Russian would be easier.
On the up side, I would say this whole mess dramatically reduces the likelihood that Cheney will declare martial law, suspend the constitution, and declare himself dictator for life in November when Obama wins the election.
Housing is down quite a bit already. My expectations are for a bottom before the end of Obama’s first term… about 30% below peak. Given the bailouts the nominal price might not be that much lower because of lost purchasing power due to all the extra money in the system.
Here’s what that means: If your house is worth $200,000 and gasoline is $2.50 a gallon, and 3 years later your house is worth $180,000 and gasoline is $4.50 a gallon the nominal price of the house dropped 10%. The purchasing power of that $180,000 is worth 20,000 gallons of gasoline though, and it used to be worth 80,000 gallons of gasoline – in terms of gasoline your house lost 75% of its value.
Right now there’s a lot of central bank shenanigans going on propping up the dollar, which at least partly explains the fact that oil prices have been dropping (demand reduction is another part of the oil price puzzle). The dollar will be allowed to drop again in the coming months… again the change in administration will be a time for a bunch of changes. If you can get into Yen, Rupees, Reminbi(Yuan) in the next month or two. You’ll preserve some purchasing power as the dollar revalues by doing so in my opinion.
OT – just off work & then off to write music.
I got listed today as “being avaialable for interviews.” Based on my three talks in the past with Sarah Palin on creationism.
The result has been three phone calls and several e-mails, so far. I’ve agreed to be on Air America’s Lionel show, and Allen Coulmes’ night-time radio show. Not real fond of either of those guys, but I trust their producers.
Also got an e-mail from the director of Wyoming’s KGAB-AM Talk Radio. They’re pretty right-wing. Any pups know how they handle their morning local spot, before they carry the National rightwing bullshitters?
Food is infinitely better in China.
China just lowered interest rates, which isn’t a sign of confidence that their economy is continuing to boom.
So, you’re saying this is a good thing?
I’d say you and Kirk will not be runners up for Mr. Congeniality, yes?
Find the joy, guys.
Whew! no snark, i have been worried about that.
Her dad, John Lindauer, was almost elected governor of Alaska in 1998. The same pwople backed him – the fungelicals and wingnuts – that backed Sarah Palin. Next to Sarah Palin, Ms. Lindauer is sanity itself.
Very smart. Yes, pricing things in oil is a very good way to think of things.
No. I know they are going through an economic slowdown now and this is going to impact them as well, particularly since they own so much of our paper. On the other hand their economy still looks better than ours does right now.
Real inflation: food, water, housing, heating/cooling, transportation, clothes.
Not the stuff you want, the stuff you MUST have.
talk about damning with faint praise
communist china and America are becoming more and more similar every day, and china isn’t changing for the better :p. thanks shrub
dunno.
from Da wiki:
She delivered a letter to Andrew Card, who is her second cousin and former Chief of Staff to President George W. Bush. The letter urged the White House not to invade Iraq, and outlined several likely consequences of a War in Iraq, including the resurgence of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda forces inside Iraq, and the emergence of Iran as a major regional power broker.
(my bold)
Lindauer contends that her U.S. file was turned over to a Grand Jury just days after she approached Senator Trent Lott’s office about how to contact the Presidential Commission on Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence regarding the work that she had done for the previous 7 years for the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
strange shit.
Ezra Pound was also found summarily unfit for trial.
Ezra spent 14 years in an asylum.
Stock markets crashing, but consumer sales are going very well. Inflation is through the roof in the coastal areas, dead in the dead areas, averages out still pretty high.
I used to listen to Lionel in NYC…he’s libertarian I think…definately NOT creationist. Don’t know if that helps.
“Socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.”
Don’t know who said that, might have been Michael Harrington?
That comment was my effort at finding the joy. I am having a lot of trouble seeing any silver linings in this mess. We seem to be facing the worst financial meltdown since 1929 with an incompetent lunatic ideologue in charge. I am also praying that my employer is not too heavily invested with and/or in any of these outfits that are currently self immolating.
ET, do you see any more shoes yet to drop for sister Sarah?
no, watching rerun of Rachel, missed her show earlier
Next to Sarah Palin, Ms. Lindauer is sanity itself.
curiouser and curiouser…
(or damning by faint praise?)
I’m not concerned about Lionel – I’ve agreed to talk to him. It is the Wyomig station that I’m interested in. I’m assuming KGAB-AM will be a somewhat hostile venue…
Thanks for the kind words! I chose nice numbers for the illustration – didn’t plan ahead of time for it to work out so cleanly, but then numbers are part of how my mind works, so it probably was below conscious thought.
Energy, food, housing are the prices that matter to most people. Asset prices matter if you have extra income to save or are eating into prior savings.
rabbit hole may be evolving into worm hole soon…
Yikes!
I do realize the severity of this financial situation.
I didn’t mean you had to find your joy in the silver linings of our governments melt down.
You’re smart. You’re a teacher of big picture stuff, aren’t you?
Sometimes the joy is found outside of politics and finances is what I’m trying to say.
lisa derrick (she’s new) is upstairs
Who really does own the Fed? why do we have to pay interest on our money?
looks like a job for Marcy to unravel.
Should I invest in popcorn futures?
The NYT says the Fed is getting warrants convertible into stock:
I think the shareholder approval relates to the grant of the warrants and not to the exercise of the warrants. I assume that approval will come in the ordinary course.
Next to Sarah, Imelda Marcos’ closet was rather skimpy. Anything could happen, RevDeb. We’re all on overload up here.
I’m actually quite happy and enjoying finding the humor.
Oddly enough, the folks who presumed to rate defense mechanisms considered humor to be among the most adaptive…they place it in the top adaptive tier of defense mechanisms.
Those folks define writing about such issues (sublimation) as being second most adaptive to the top….and altusim (like, say, starting a support group for those affected by financial upheaval) as being the most adaptive.
[Uh… I’m not implying any on-line discussions could serve the function of a support group ;) ]
Of course, folks who’ve heard analysts trade jokes have good reason to question the entire concept of the defense mechanism they’ve set forth.
Oy!!! WTF is this???
Should be 40,000 and 80,000 gallons of gas. Still round numbers, but 50% loss of purchasing power, not 75%. My error.
Hi ET- great work getting the message out.
I know this is OT, but the comments on Eli’s thread (just before) were a much needed laughter antidote.
And, I happened to remember another hilarious thread Eli kicked off-
linkey for you to click through:
http://firedoglake.com/2008/09…..nt-1634418
oops: so blissed out I forgot the linky
I don’t think Ms Fiorina will be available for any interviews for the McCain campaign.
Getting warrants means the common and preferred shareholders retain their voting rights, so control stays where it is. I assume the loan agreement has lots of covenants, which give the Fed some level of control.
sorry for sorta hijacking a damn good thread, Ian.
I like Lionel. He seems pretty straightforward to me…he just believes what he believes…he doesn’t seem like a hack or shill…have fun..I think it’s great that you’re going on with him.
China’s stock market probably has some bargains in it right now. Down 64% in the past year – that doesn’t mean a bottom, but there are likely some components that have bottomed.
Nooo!
Popcorn lung will burst that bubble
Naah, she’s not that type. She’s get bored but if we have our kitties, she’ll be fairly happy.
ET…oh yeah..Wyoming…well…just go for it!!!
Toast.
Just keep yourself centered and you will be fine.
Talk about bread and circus—this sure is it.
I use humor sometimes.
I’d prefer not to have to use defense mechanisms, myself. All things considered.
But, I am glad you’re happy.
Sometimes I think I read you wrong(ly).
It’s hard to be centered when you’re facing long unemployment for the second time in the decade. I’m terribly frightened.
Ahhh. But I only eat loose air popped organic popcorn. No nukyular popcorn for this boy.
Good on ya’ alveoli
I’ll say it again. You. Are. Not. Alone.
My suggestion is to take Revdeb’s advice.
Find a way other than fear.
plus some olympics overhang, from too many idled factories in the capitol area. it looks like they might’ve overshot a bit on raising rates (underpriming) in recent months so the rate cut last week might just be about that. overall, their economy is probably ok. I wish I could say the same about ours
Take a look at a longer term chart and it just looks like a reversion to norm. I’m not sure it’s going to stop where it is.
No butter either. Much better for the heart, which given the family history from hell, high blood pressure and cholesterol (both well controlled by meds), and 40 pounds over weight, is a really good thing.
Our new entertainment writer, Lisa, is upstairs.
That’s why I say some bargains… I wouldn’t go for Shanghai Composite index fund right now, but some of the companies in China are likely undervalued and have bottomed.
jayt @ 72
epu’d I know BUT check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
The defendant is the daughter of the former Gov of Alaska!!! WTF??????
this needs another lookee.
I lost 70 pounds in a year on Weight Watchers using hot air popcorn with a little buttery spray as my main snack.
In fact, I think I will pop some now.
Back in the day, I used to rate psychologists and psychiatrists as belonging to a discipline with just slightly more validity than economics. (My first real love was a Ph.D psychology student, so I know how much shinks and psychologists think of each other or the idea that they share the same discipline.)
And you know what I think of economics. ;)
But actually, I probably read more in psychology and linguistics than any other subject.
the message was for ET.
Yes, I think we are all jittery. My job rests on folks giving voluntarily to the church. If everyone gets hit hard, so do I. I’ve been reading Ian’s stuff for quite a while and knew it was coming. My spouse, the financial planner in the house said to me this morning, “who would have thought this could happen.” Well, he gave me a hard time whenever I brought it up. We will just have to breathe deeply until we know how it will all play out. What more can we do?
I’m a stovetop pop it in a pot kind of gal myself.
Hey…I got your coping strategies..
a good nights rest. :)
And, that would be me, now.
Good Night to all of us.
And, I’ll lift you all up in my prayers.
I will.
Personally like that best, but there is too much oil. I really do try not to make the mistakes my father did in ignoring his doctor’s advice. When every member of your father’s family died of a heart attack, you tend to pay attention (it also catches the doctor’s attention reall good).
You wouldn’t believe the number of people I have had who said that to me “I read your stuff, by my spouse/parents/kids won’t believe it”.
Oh well. I hope it did help some people.
Forgive me if someone alrady played forward on this, but you guys are missing the play.
Uncle Sam buys the damn bankrupt things, then “can’t manage them” or “want’s out of the businees” then Uncle Sam sells the companies back to the blue bloods for pennies on the dollar.
You hide and watch, that’s what’s going to happen.
And who’s trying to stop it – not one damn soul. I’m sure the Robber Barrons are laughing their asses off right now. Just one more step and the complete and total fleecing of the richest nation in the history of the world is complete.
My genes don’t have that problem. No heart disease that I know of. So far I’m willing to chance it. But things change.
I’m with demi. Time to check out and get some sleep. Before I know it I’ll be off to the office.
Night all—whoever’s left here.
Think I will join the exodus. Have my theory seminar tomorrow afternoon and I have to be cogent, coherent, and awake for that. Take care all.
The Federal Reserve Banking system is privately owned and managed by central bankers.
The U.S. Government borrows money from the FED and pays interest on these monies to the Federal Reserve Banking system and its shareholders.
Congressional oversight of the FED is a joke. Bernanke takes orders from the central bankers who own the system.
Nite RevDeb, DrDick, demi & all who are checking out
(I’m not leaving yet)
Ian, bustedknuckles, a long time FDLer has an interesting rant at his place, with (to my mind) some good questions. He’s not your style, but, perhaps worth reading in this instance. Best, VG
http://ornerybastard.blogspot……itely.html
Zzzzz…zzzzz….zzzzz….zzzzz…
I’m sleeping.
but I am going upstairs…see the rest of you there
Isn’t anyone concerned about the effect of all these bailouts on the deficit. Are they printing money or is this another supplemental to the budget? Can you say 800 billion in our 2008 deficit. Our dollar is just going to get devalued by another 1/3. We the taxpayers are so screwed by this funny money bailout. This is doomsday for the dollar.
ian has a new post up a couple flights
This letter is worth a read!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
Outsource to private hands, of course. Let them run it as they will – wouldn’t put my money on that. Remembering Resolution Trust.