i like 1

The Obama ad is exceptional. Using authoritative quotes from the mainstream media – particularly right wing media – is far more credible and damning than any expression of opinion or personal accusations by Obama himself.

Run it all day, every day.

McSames ad is so easily knocked down…merely by pointing out that ANY OIL drilled in the USA goes to the marketplace…where any country canbuy it …even TIMBUKTU!!!!

gee, McCain Palin
Leadership – Experience for the change we need?

I don’t see it.

Obama’s ad is a good hit back ad. Set’s the tone that McCain is all about lies and distortions. Obama now needs to run an ad outlining all of McCain’s positions that are the same as Bush’s.

9/11 Rudy was on the today show indicating that these ads and all this talk about McCain being the same as Bush is wearing thin…..It must me working, if Rudy is trying to dismiss it.

and lets tie PHIL AND WENDY GRAHMM to OUR FINANCIAL total meltdown

24/7 loop of the McSame&Co…add in allMcDummys houses etc…OUTA TOUCH,OUTA STEP

It doesn’t matter if McSame/Palin lie and distort reality. The right wing borg collective believes in their Party not the truth. The corporate media will not point out the lies and hypocrise of McCain’s deceitful campaign. I fear that America will once more be fooled again.

Geez, Jane… do you even have to ask?

The Obama ad is better, hands down.

and lets put JUDY the TROLLOP out there with her DIAMOND TIARA…..Rootie made a killin on 9/11

McCain’s ad is effective, since most folks don’t know the truth. It sounds like they are going to actually do something about the problem instead of what they have done all along. I like Obama’s, but right now he has say how he will fix the financial situation.

Interesting, after tons and tons of negative ads and speeches, they are switching over, just as Obama is returning fire. I hope Obama and his campaign are quick on their feet to make the switch back to issues.

Obama’s ad is better. Although, I doubt it changes one vote.

Look, everyone is making this too complicated. This is the message: The GOP style of governance has failed us at home and abroad. It is time to give the Democrats a shot.

Put Carly fiorini in that add too

Queen Judy

the GOULIANIS

http://roadkillrefugee.files.w…..-tiara.png

It might be helpful to take a look at the ads that Bush ran in 2000 and 2004 to see what the Republicans were promising i.e. a rejuvenated economy, more proserity, healthcare reform etc. and then compare the reality with the the actual results of Republican rule.

Obama ad better. But McCain has that scary creepy music feeding the low info voter lizard brain fearful of losing his/her job.

I like 1. Good to point out pandering to the base, abandoning previous statements (if not actions).

However, what FDL readers think of the ads is not the real issue. What do “uncommitted voters” think of the ads? Which sways more?

Interesting how McSame has co-opted the “change” meme. Where I live the McSame “Dems-same old tired ideas” add runs back to back with Obama’s.

The Obama add gets right to the point, and the use of existing and VERY recent headlines and actual quotes? Nails it. It works a lot better with today’s extremely short attention spans. With the music also not overpowering, just ‘there’ to carry the single voice over.

McCain’s add is all bluster, with every single thing long ago debunked in some form or another. Overpowering sound as well, with that voiceover. It was annoying to me, but imagine how annoying it is to joesixpack?

she is another FAST TALKING snake oil salesman

That’s it in a nutshell.

Next in the series for #1 could be based on John McCain’s claim that the economy “is basically sound,” with the undercurrent of banking calamities.

I’d hammer on McCain’s incompetence so much that when asked about his running mate, the Democrats respond “Sarah who?”

McCoins ad is a feel good. If you don’t know it’s a total lie, it’s nice to believe it.

The Obama ad lacks specifics, too easy to dismiss as merely campaign rhetoric. Merely calling the campaign dishonorable appears brave to scaredy cat dems, but it won’t stimulate any repug brain cells.

well, to be technical, the first ad is factual, the second is not. Obama’s ad kinda shoots McCrazy’s in the starting gate.

But that wasn’t the question. Which is more effective? I truly believe that Obama’s ad is excellent, but I am not plugged into the lizard-brain set, so I really don’t know how to compare.

Obama’s ad, however, is something new – McCrazy’s is making the same tired claims which have been out there for weeks now.

Advantage Obama.

I think.

When the inevitable “POW!” response comes, may I propose a frame?

America does not owe John McCain the presidency for a chapter from his biography from thirty-five years ago.

and …………………….can ALL be easily refuted

Line I’d like to see at the debate:

“If you believe that, I’ve got a Bridge to Nowhere to sell you.”

Great find….and yes, the “Lady Ghouliani” is that tacky in real life.

I want an Obama ad to say “McCain isn’t the answer….he’s the problem”

I have to step in here to say that I disagree.
I think #2 new is more effective.
The Obama ad is merely name calling. I would like them to show how McCain is a liar. Show the lie and then show the truth, ala John Steward style.
Jane asked which one is more effective, not who I like. Sorry, that’s it.

McCain’s ad is better because it is proactive. It may be a pack of filthy lies but it’s an offensive, This Is My Position ad.

Obama’s ad is defensive. Complaining about McCain’s ads from last week, using the conclusions that others drew rather than showing the facts of the false statements and letting the viewer draw the conclusion.

McCain’s ads last week defined Obama. Obama should be running ads now defining McCain, not complaining about last week’s ads.

Why isn’t Obama running ads about McCain’s weak spots? McCain wants to tax your health benefits. I don’t think most Americans know this. McCain’s chief economic adviser Phil Gramm caused the mortgage crisis.

Offense, Obama, offense. You won’t win the game if you don’t put any points on the board.

OT – Dow down over 300.

Light Bulb!!!!!!!!!!!!

527

is this ECONOMY hurting you

John and cindy with 12 houses ,and 750,000$$$ per month AMEX bills,,,cant feel it

OUTA TOUCH,OUTA STEP

rinse,lather ,repeat…..show SUGAR MOMMA EXPRESS and her sayin on the view…her houses are off limits

Great minds thinking alike at 7:14 a.m. PST!

Exactly! Recall Reagan and use him against the Republicans. That could be an entire Dem campaign theme – “Republican government is not the answer to your problems. Republican government is the problem.”

OB’s tell the truth and the MC add is all lies.
But I think it is a better ad to talk to america about change and what is needed.
I too see the need to leverage the moment when Mcsame/mcnasty are caught lying and the media agrees, but I agree with the few above who say pivot and take over the issue that matter to me, in my life, and eradicate the change/reformer lie from mcsame.

The McCain ad is an Issue ad, while Obama is the Personal Attacks narrative. At the same time, McCain is lying about how to fix things – tax cuts and drill, baby, drill? Neither will help in this crisis.

Hoover =’s Bush =’s McCain

Saw this somewhere this am, “McCain: It’s my party & I’ll lie if I want to”.
There was an Obama tour on the Iron Range friday traveling to several small towns. In Ely they thought about 30 people would attend but 120 showed up. One guy’s intelligent contribution to the discussion was “Obama sucks”. Everyone turned around, told him to shut up & the adults continued the conversation.

didnt they want to put Social Security in the HANDS OF lEHMAN BROS…and brother JEBBIE
BWAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha

Personal Attacks narrative

yea, it didn’t start by saying how fucking great Mc Cain is and that he was a POW. Give me a break.

Lehman Brothers………………”g”

Obama needs to put that add on everywhere and then play the hell out of it. And then make another one with a similar method. There’s bound to be cries of ‘foul’ by repugs. So then there needs to be a full on PR assault pushing that message through– remember what Scarborough said. It has to be merciless. Beat em down beat em down. And could some please leave all democrats the message to STOP STOP STOP saying ‘ John McCains a good guy, but his tax policy sucks…’ or some such crap. Time to get vicious, dems. And the great part about it– it’s all true.

I think an effective ad would start w/ Mcshame stating he doesn’t understand economy then introduce his economic brains grahm & Fiorini and end w/ now that is change you can laugh at w/ lots of people laughing

Hey Jane, what do you have to say about the ads?

McCain’s “Financial Rock-a-Bye, Baby” Ad is an example of the very Deception that Obama’s Ad warns us about!

Hate to say it but McCains’ ad is positive and hopeful and Obamas’ is mean and the one with smears. If I didn’t know anything and saw them back to back I would like McCain.
So the next question is who the ads target: and I would assume it is independents in swing states.
If Obama is going after the lies, he has to talk about the lies and specific issues. And how he is different. And he has to to stay positive.

I wonder if the female voiceover in the McShame ad is supposed to remind the public that the “Daddy” party has a female or “mommy” on their ticket?

oh bravo…me likey

One other thing – the ad would be one hell of a lot more effective, if Obama hadn’t spent the last 90 days prefacing every damn statement about McCain with some lame tribute to his heroism and sterling character.

As casey Stengel once inquired about the Mets: “Can’t anyone here play this game?” Or better yet: “We [the Mets] have to learn to stay out of triple plays.”

that sounds effective

agreed,but mebbe he is trying to piss off the old geezer

Oh crap! I had forgotten about that. Wouldn’t that make a great ad. “John McCain wanted to hand over your Social Security to Lehman Brothers. Where would your Social Security be now?”

hit this in FLA…..where many live on SS….show WALLSTREET MELTDOWN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBwMy27Aoc

Problem is, most people (face it – we here at FDL are not indicitave of “most people”) do not know who Phil Gramm or Carly Fiorina are or why we should laugh at the idea of them advising McCain.

That’s what I’m talkin bout!

Please say again. I don’t get what you’re saying.

It is a good ad, but the damage is done. Palin was defined by them and that cannot be undone. I would prepare to tie McCain to the collapse of Wall St, and wrong for fixing it.

EDUMACATE them

That is the point. If you were undecided, which one would be more compelling?

I don’t mean “which ad do you agree with.” I mean “which ad is going to play better on TV, be more persuasive to people who haven’t already made up their minds.”

I’m afraid I come down on the side of the McCain ad. It’s much more emotional, and even though it’s full of bullshit — most people don’t know that.

oh MANG! this is priceless

http://www.motherjones.com/new…..-phil.html

McCain’s ad speaks better to the anxiety Americans are feeling today.
Worried about your job? McCain will fix that.
Worried about high gas prices? McCain will fix that.
Worried about you life savings going up in smoke? McCain will fix that.

Of course it is all BS, but it is naming the issues people are worried about. The fact that there are no proposed solutions in a 30 second ad are irrelevant I guess. Unless you want to claim “reform” fixes everything.

If the Obama campaign can make the meme of “he’ll say anything to win” stick (dishonesty), then the ad will pay off in the long run. So this narrative needs to be pushed. However, at this point in time, he needs to really get going on stressing the economic message.

it sets McDummy up for the” more Lies title” wrapped around his TURKEY GULLET

If the Obama campaign can make the meme of “he’ll say anything to win” stick (dishonesty), then the ad will pay off in the long run. So this narrative needs to be pushed. However, at this point in time, he needs to really get going on stressing the economic message.

———————-
NEW AD

serial LIARS

I was gonna say. I like McCain’s because it’s like one big bullseye. Onteresting how this whole dance plays out. Obama runs the sleaziness add and McCain goes back to a strightforward content (bullshit) ad. McCain will be back with sleeze, though. I like Obama/Biden ad.

The ad suggested above with laughing at the end would come across as mean as well.
Let’s remember that as much as many people here get off on the Snark, FDL commenters do not represent most of America, especially the on the fencers.

Looks like Obama is now discussing the economy in his speeches, as he should…this crisis puts Palin and 9/11 off the blabathon circuit.

Not only is Lehmann bankrupt…without a lifeboat, but the Merrill buyout by Bank of America is causing investors to flee BofA. Deutsche-Bank is also plunging. AIG is wallowing as expected…and Washington Mutual just lost 31%.
This is the McCain-Bush economy!

Wait! Johnny doesn’t understand anything about the post-Keating economy…that’s why he has Phil Gramm as his advisor.

[Oh…and Sarah Palin was such an expert on energy…why didn’t McCain never bother to seek her “expert advice” before he selected her as his VEEP? He only met her once! Some expert.]

McCain’s ad hits people more where they live, on what they care about.

McCain ad is better. It’s bullshit, but it’s better.

Unfortunately, I can’t see the ads because I’m at work, and this is somewhat OT, but McCain got pwned:

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.co…..re-of.html

Last week everyone was upset that Obama wasn’t hitting back. Now he hits back and many of us are saying he needs to be on issues. What gives

me and Phil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJ5D1EaBgg

I was responding to this:

anwaya September 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am
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The McCain ad is an Issue ad, while Obama is the Personal Attacks narrative. At the same time, McCain is lying about how to fix things – tax cuts and drill, baby, drill? Neither will help in this crisis.

The idea that the Obama ad is a Personal Attack is silly and I was being snarky that it was so because it didn’t start out by kissing Mc Cain’s ass.

The McCain ad is a better ad. It talks about what they are going to do for “me.” The Obama ad is probably necessary in the mix of things, but the McCain ad speaks to the issue.

This may have been posted here, if not I found it a good piece:

Bill Clinton’s advice to Barack Obama
John F. Harris Fri Sep 12, 5:43 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politi…..tico/13394

he cant win here

Typical liberal hand-wringing. “The sky is falling”!

>i>McCain’s ad speaks better to the anxiety Americans are feeling today.
Worried about your job? McCain will fix that.
Worried about high gas prices? McCain will fix that.
Worried about you life savings going up in smoke? McCain will fix that.

Same old shit.

I will repeat my wish for an Obama ad:

Start with three clips of McCrazy saying “My friends, there will be more wars. I hate to have to tell you this, but there will be more wars.”

Cut to a couple of quotes from *Republican* saying that a McCrazy presidency scares the crap outta them.

close it with a clip of Pat Buchanan saying that “John McCain will make Dick Cheney look like Gandhi.”

Boom.

The message that I get from the top ad is that whoever paid for it doesn’t like McCain.

The message I get from the second ad is that McCain/Palin can fix our economy.

On me, were my mind open to change, the second ad would be far more effective.

it sounds so knit-picking

I was wondering that myself but I have since given up on figuring folks out *g*

tiz good!

Okay. Thanks.
Just shows how we all have different perspectives, I guess.

Of course it is also some (hear me out not all) concern trolling from folks that don’t really like O in the first place.

agree, agree, agree .

damn the Obama campaign shoulda been ready THIS MORNING with ads about 1. Gramm/Glass-Steagall 2. privatizing social security and handing it over to the likes of Lehman Bros. and 3.increasing your taxes on employer provided benefits

hi wobbs…why we dont win…NoUnited front

We also have people stop by and just leave dopey comments.

relax…let things unfold

we will count the bodies this afternoon

all that crappola,on the McCain ad is easily refuted and makes him MORE OF A dishonorable LIAR

True. now i’m all for constructive criticism (all voices should be heard) but that is why I haven’t been posting too much here lately. Way too much hand wringing and negativity. Instead of sitting on the side lines griping, help register people to vote or do something besides gripe.

Typical liberal hand-wringing. “The sky is falling”!

That’s no sky. It’s the economy.

on Reuters video:

“Lehman Brothers Survived the Great Depression”

I’m going to add to this statement: “but not the Bush Administration”

Ads are important and do work, but only to a point. That point is reached when brutal reality knocks down the door and enters your home.

That point was reached today. Hell, after 8 years of GOP rule, not even Merrill Lynch is bullish on America. In fact, that old bull has been sold for slaugher.

I don’t care how good McCain’s ads are, they can’t convince us to keep eating a shit sandwich. Reality is now trump.

Oh gawd … coming out of lurk status to say I get it Jane; sadly, sadly, SADLY ~ McCain’s is “more effective.” Why?

Talks to the “surface dwellers” in their language. Of course Obama’s ad is more truthful, intelligent and speaks to beyond valid truths. Doesn’t matter; this election is in trouble precisely because ads like this one of McCain’s is grabbing and sticking with the voters who don’t think deep enough to see … the difference. Or even more frightening?

They don’t care; this ad goes right to their narrative and how they see their world.

Sigh………………….

I hope you don’t mean me.

Right on. This is what I’m hearing when I phoine bank. People are struggling and with winter coming, they are outright scared

i agree,its annoying…..i post for THE LURKERS

truth to power…(smile)

McCain’s ad is positive in tone, it will go over much better with the low information voter. They won’t know it is all Bullshit with a capital B. With short attention span of the average American TV viewer, I also suspect they will have forgotten about the negative McCain ads as well.

I agree. McCain’s ad is powerful if you are not already convinced it’s bullshit. Obama’s ad is too general. Quoting the media about sleeze means nothing. He should call McCain’s lies the lies that they are. He should state McCain’s points and rebut each one. Something like “The lie: McCain’s point. Followed by “The Truth…

John McCain bought and paid for the lies and the racist undertow. He chose who to hire to run his campaign.

John McCain is a man without honor, and it’s time to show that savage truth.

i think you underestimate people

…but not Republican governance.

It looks like AIG and Washington Mututal will soon follow Merrill Lynch and Lehmann Bros.

McCain is still pushing tax cuts. From here

According to Nobel prize laureate James Tobin, “[t]he ‘Laffer Curve’ idea that tax cuts would actually increase revenues turned out to deserve the ridicule with which sober economists had greeted it in 1981.”[2]

Republic tax cuts benefit wealthy Republics only. Stop being fooled.

agreed

I think the McCain ad will be more effective. His and Palin’s supporters do not inhabit the world of reality and don’t give a shit about the quotes in the Obama ad. They know and don’t care about the lies. They are so steeped in the Christianist victimization and persecution myth that they see Palin as the second coming. They are a lost cause and will vote for Palin no matter what skeletons come out of her closets.

The McCain ad is classic Rove: state the opposite of what is true. Each of the claims represents more Obama’s stance than McCains. He won’t win over any of the koolaid drinkers, but he might get some independents if he takes the ad and inserts rebuttal facts after each claim.

I think the Obama ad is simply another example of preaching to the choir. He needs to get out there and rip the lies apart with facts, charts, bar graphs, whatever it takes. He needs visuals. The people who make these political ads seem to think that we are afraid of numbers and facts. We aren’t. I just think we need some graphic representations to cement the images of how badly Bush has trashed the economy and how McCain is continuing the decimation.

AIG? They’re a massive corporation!

Obama needs lots of ads. He needs the Democratic big names to step up and help.

What is it with the ominous female voices on the GOP ads? They have been using that voice for years. Don’t Americans find it totally creepy? (I guess not, since they still use it, and their ads work.)

In answer to your question: Obama (DUH)

remember this they admitted they are Lying

McCain campaign: We got sleazy to get press attention

A fascinating admission from the McCain campaign, that they chose to leave the high road, to chuck overboard John McCain’s “maverick” status, because the McCain campaign thought that they could get more media coverage by being sleazy, dishonorable liars. Hell of a thing for a campaign to admit, especially a campaign centered around the honor of a former POW. Apparently when the going gets tough, the first thing John McCain sacrifices is his honor. A disturbing pattern is emerging of McCain chucking the high road, abandoning his morals and ethics, when instant gratification comes knocking. It’s not the definition of hero. It’s the definition of reckless.

OT The stock market ticker on my screen has gone down – no data stream whats up

No…no; I have great faith in people. It’s why I read here.

But I also watch and listen and learn; I write. Took a screenwriting seminar from Robert McKee once. As much as it was about how to write a screenplay? It was also ~ about how to manipulate your audience.

I see it at -180 at 11:01

new post
Does John McCain Still Think The Economy Is “Fundamentally Strong”?

Obama’s ad is better. But I’m biased. With that said, I think Obama is a step behind and in danger of ceding the “change” moniker to McCain. Step up and get on the economy! Now!

thet all have MOMMY COMPLEXES
starting with big GRIZZLY Babs Bush

and

ENWIZENED NASTY OLD WITCH …..MUMMY McSAME

I’m afraid I come down on the side of the McCain ad. It’s much more emotional

Exactly! At the emotional level, it goes somewhere: “McCain and Palin can fix the economy.” All I feel after the Obama ad is that whoever made it doesn’t like McCain.

True. Where are the elder statesmen and women of both parties? I can’t believe, even after 7 years of Bushshit, that they are willing to put the final stake in America’s heart with McCain/Palin. This is an outrage, that we are even considering Palin as a VP candidate. The media pundits just blandly report, even as they clearly understand, that the Rove machine is pimping a candidate who is unqualified in every sense of the word. They are assisting as the lipstick is applied to the pig and the silk purse is being fashioned out of the sow’s ear – as the sheep in this country who have been for so long ’shepherded’ by the evangelical endtimers are led blindly to the polls. How can they sit passively as this kind of huge lie is being fed to the country?

Yep, they are having ‘cash’ issues

So, all those other positive ads that Obama ran were worthless and meant nothing? He finally gets tough and some of you wring your hands?

andddd he is LYING TO YOU…..alllll of the time

word staight up and down

Don’t waste your positive energy. We need the positive energy for the worker bees out there trying to get shit done *g*

The Obama ad lacks specifics, too easy to dismiss as merely campaign rhetoric. Merely calling the campaign dishonorable appears brave to scaredy cat dems, but it won’t stimulate any repug brain cells.

You don’t seriously think that anything that the Obama campaign says or does is going to stimulate any Repug brain cells, do you? It’s the independents (in party or in spirit) who need to be stimulated.

That said, I do want more aggressivness from the Dems. Please! The stakes are too high to wimp out!

the lurkers will read it…i loves you muchly ya know!

love ya back. Lots of peace, love and light headed your way *g*

curious. Democrats have an opportunity here to question Palin’s “expertise” in economics. She said herself that she got a “D” in macroeconomics. [Reported in 2006 by Anchorage Daily News]

i suck in all things math but even I got a B in macro econ. sheesh more dumb asses running the country.

Yeah but . . . .

Negative ads work and the Obama ad hits hard at McLame’s strengths: honor trustworthiness and honesty.

Thats the theme the Obama people should run with now. McCain simply can’t be trusted!

Oh, and there is no ” Im BO and I approved this message.”

Palin is calling for regulation. I thought the Republican view was laissez-faire.

He stated the “I’m Barack Obama and I approved this ad” in the beginning rather than at the end.

You make an interesting point.

I just finished playing a video game last night (took a couple weeks of on again/off again play). It is a very creepy game and, while playing, I took particular note of how effective the music was. The theme music of a particular scenario was VERY effective. It is not unlike a well made horror flick – the music drives a strong emotional response.

Obama adds that talk about McCain, that feature McCain’s and Palin’s face, should always feature ominous, scary theme music. They should make use of hollywood movie score/thematic music writers/performers and/or big-name video game scorers.

Oh, and Obama needs to resurrect the little girl in the field of daisies that ends with a nuclear mushroom cloud and tie it to McCain/Palin’s warmongering and Russia threatening.

I don’t think it’s either/or. Obama needs to run the first type of ad–going after McCain’s “honor.” I like it. But he also needs to run hard-hitting ads that pin responsibility for the mess we’re in where it belongs, on Bush, McCain, and Republican rule. I’m still waiting for the ad that says, “Bush and the Republicans have driven this country into a ditch for the last 8 years: we are in an endless war that has made us less safe and cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives; working people are losing their homes to foreclosure; banks are failing; gasoline prices and health care costs have gone through the roof. Why would we hire them as our driver again?”

A third type of ad then needs to say what Obama and all Dems will do to make people’s lives better–preserve Social Security, provide access to health care for all, make our toys and food safer, end tax breaks for the very rich and for corporations, etc.”

It’s simple–what are they waiting for??

Jane,

I don’t completely disagree with you, except to say this ad only feeds the emotional needs of those who are in McCain’s camp now: the brain dead, the knee jerk tax phobic who can’t understand Obama’s proposals, the flag wavers who wave in hopes of solving every problem with patriotism, and the religious fanatics who believe in Religion First, Country second.

For the undecided Obama’s ad is important and effective. It shows a toughness and willingness to fight back.

Most people I’ve met recently who are on the fence are looking very closely at these two men and their campaigns.
I recently (last week) worked on a project with a 27 year old from Georgia who has a lot of southern baggage as it concerns getting behind Obama, but he likes Obama, but he’s still hasn’t decided. People like this are seeing what’s happening in this country and feeling how tough it is to find work, and/or make ends meet, so they are not going to swallow this McCain-McDonalds-type ad hook line and sinker if only because it contradicts their daily reality. They probably like the “feeling” of this fluffy positive message, but there is too much at stake for those in the world of undecideds.

So to answer your question, I say the Obama ad is highly effective (if not more effective) and ads like this are necessary and need to run over and over again, along with ads that speak to solutions, and a game plan for the future.

I don’t believe the McCain ad at this point in economically perilous times is going to be all that effective with those who believe our country is headed in the wrong direction and find themselves honestly conflicted between the known (and the difficult loss of faith thereof) and a relative newcomer (not to mention African American) who has staked his campaign on correcting America’s course.

no, I mean the person I replied to. . .

Slightly O/T, but related:

I just heard a large portion of Biden’s speech in Michigan, until interrupted for no apparent reason. It is really good. Although it includes the points/lines listed in Politico this morning (linked on BT’s post), they are incorporated an come across much better in the speech. It sincerely states the truth and lists what all McCain has supported. Taking off from Palin’s remark that Obama & Biden have only voted, never adminstered, it lists all of the programs and policies (eg., pell grants, a minimum wage above $3.30, etc.) which would not exist if McCain’s vote had won. One of the best lines: “In the Bush Administration, only the wealthy and connected have been invited to the table, and the rest of us are on the menu.”

whew.

My two cents worth: The voice-over in Obama’s ads sounds smug and smarmy. I instinctively recoil from being convinced by anything said in such a tone. Let Obama read his own ads, or find someone as good as he is.

i think obama’s is more effective … but then, i’m clearly biased for my 4th choice.

itunkala

obama needs to get the harry and louise healthcare reform ad on the airwaves. i agree with others who have indicated he needs to have ads such as the one featured here in addition to those which highlight his distinction from mccain on the major issues.

he’s got the money. he needs to spend it.

itunkala

Which ad is more effective just depends on how the media treat the two ads.
If the media acts as normal they will treat the Obama ad complaining about McCain’s lies as both equally negative ads. As if lying about your opponent and pointing out that your opponent is lying(when he is) are the same thing. That’s why McCain thinks he can get away with lying about virtually everything. And he may be right; we’ll just have to wait and see.
If McCain wins America will be seen as the “bad guys” by the rest of the world for the rest of all our lives. That’s just one thing that is at stake in this election, though probably not the biggest thing; that would be whether or not we remain a democracy at all. One more justice on the Supreme Court that agrees with Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts and abortion won’t be the only thing that would no longer have any legal standing. Congress and the Senate would have ZERO power. No law would have any standing unless the Republican president agreed with it…

So, all those other positive ads that Obama ran were worthless and meant nothing? He finally gets tough and some of you wring your hands?

My first thought as well. Saw a study recently that showed Obama has a much higher percentage of “positive” ads than McInsane, and Obama’s been dropping in polls. I think Obama first had to set the tone that he’s the adult in the race, and was then waiting for just the right time to pounce, which is what he’s done now that even BigMedia is questioning McInsane’s honesty, and that helps bolster Obama’s “negative” attacks now. If Obama would’ve gone negative sooner, BigMedia would’ve rallied around St. John and essentially called Obama uppity. Obama’s been playing rope-a-dope very, very well.

As far as undecideds, Obama’s is by far the best of these two. These people haven’t decided yet because they’re familiar with the McInsane name and image (no matter how fake it is), and Obama might still be a little too exotic for them. I suspect many might be leaning Obama but they’re still just a little too comfortable with the McInsane brand, which has been built for over 35 years, to try something new in Obama.

Obama’s ad helps dismantle this one remaining advantage, which is false, that McInsane has with undecideds. No amount of Obama “positive” ads will accomplish this, so Obama has to take the lipstick off the pig that is the McInsane campaign, which this ad does very well.

A composite of McCain’s ad would be good for Obama … The economy in crisis (clip of McCain saying how fundamentally strong the economy is) etc. How can McCain/Palin fix it when they don’t even realize there’s a problem? etc.

I don’t know that ads that require people to read quotes from others are necessarily effective (clips with them saying it another matter).

I agree that the Obama ad is very good, but I will give McCain this: that ad hits the right notes but depends upon you to trust them. From my readings and discussions, that is not the case and, moreover, his continued assertion that the economy is fundamentally sound undercuts the message of the ad.

I agree with those who say McCain’s ad will be more effective. Although it misstates the record, few viewers will know this.

The ad responds directly to the financial crisis and argues that McCain and Palin will deal with it. It is no nonsense and positive in the sense that it promises a solution.

The Obama ad is negative in two ways: First, it repeats the criticism of McCain’s ads as negative. And, by repeating criticism of McCain, it reinforces the negative creepy crawly reaction to all things political.

McCain , I think, is winning the ad war. He is presenting himself and Palin as transcendent figures who can solve problems with “reform.” He has co-opted “hope” as well as reform.

At the very least, Obama needs to be out there with ads that say:
Obama/Biden: The Competent Choice for Change. The ticket with actual plans, etc.
Or something like that.

I am a Dem. who is wringing her hands. I live in the Bible belt and most all “Christians” here vote Republican, and sooo many racists among these “Christians” In the past week, I have heard this absurd reason for voting for McCain, even from Dems “If Obama wins, he will be assassinated then there will be a Black uprising in the streets.” Second excuse, “Obama will raise our taxes.” I fear no ad will be helpful here and, fear this Obama ad
will be only viewed as negative in this unholy region.