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	<title>Comments on: First Monday:  Marty Lederman On The Restoration Of The Rule Of Law</title>
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		<title>By: FormerFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/15/first-monday-marty-lederman-on-the-restoration-of-the-rule-of-law/#comment-1632282</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Goodness Christy, I agree with you if those people could be found, but, I’m afraid visions of Goodling come to mind. It just can’t be left up to the Executive branch. The other branches must be actively involved, by statute without signing statements.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness Christy, I agree with you if those people could be found, but, I’m afraid visions of Goodling come to mind. It just can’t be left up to the Executive branch. The other branches must be actively involved, by statute without signing statements.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this thread is pretty much over, but still it is relevant to remind everyone of Naomi Wolf’s new book,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-Liberty-Handbook-Revolutionaries/dp/1416590560/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1221505857&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Give Me Liberty&lt;/a&gt;, which is intended to be a “handbook for American revolutionaries.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As described by the publishers, Give Me Liberty “illustrates the breathtaking changes that can take place when ordinary citizens engage in the democratic system the way the founders intended and tells how to use that system, right now, to change your life, your community, and ultimately, the nation.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the goal of this book is to encourage Americans to stand up and take back their liberties, Ms. Wolf hopes that citizens will join her at events she is doing around the country.  At these events, attendees will engage in what she is calling a “Citizens’ Conversation and Call to Arms” and will also meet and organize with others who want to defend liberty.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just got this in an email from American Freedom Campaign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this thread is pretty much over, but still it is relevant to remind everyone of Naomi Wolf’s new book,<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-Liberty-Handbook-Revolutionaries/dp/1416590560/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1221505857&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Give Me Liberty</a>, which is intended to be a “handbook for American revolutionaries.”  </p>
<blockquote><p>As described by the publishers, Give Me Liberty “illustrates the breathtaking changes that can take place when ordinary citizens engage in the democratic system the way the founders intended and tells how to use that system, right now, to change your life, your community, and ultimately, the nation.”  </p>
<p>As the goal of this book is to encourage Americans to stand up and take back their liberties, Ms. Wolf hopes that citizens will join her at events she is doing around the country.  At these events, attendees will engage in what she is calling a “Citizens’ Conversation and Call to Arms” and will also meet and organize with others who want to defend liberty.
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<p>I just got this in an email from American Freedom Campaign.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, so … FDL is still here, still providing some of the best of what nuanced thought and honest discourse yet remains in this sorry land …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For a while, the toobz were clearly overwhelmed and tossed me to the hounds of Nowheresville … mayhap the ‘excitement’ of a 504.48 point drop in the DOW discumbualated the toobulators resulting in underwhelming ‘performance’ across the ether threadways everywhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Things certainly are ‘interesting’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now to read.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Profound thanks to Professor Lederman.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so … FDL is still here, still providing some of the best of what nuanced thought and honest discourse yet remains in this sorry land …</p>
<p>For a while, the toobz were clearly overwhelmed and tossed me to the hounds of Nowheresville … mayhap the ‘excitement’ of a 504.48 point drop in the DOW discumbualated the toobulators resulting in underwhelming ‘performance’ across the ether threadways everywhere.</p>
<p>Things certainly are ‘interesting’.</p>
<p>Now to read.</p>
<p>Profound thanks to Professor Lederman.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hugh I agree that a merit system taken too far can have it’s own problem, but at this point in hisotry the pendulum has swong all the way back to a “spoils system” of partonage abuse which wasd what the Pendleton Act was meant to combat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that pendulum would have to swing pretty far in the opposite direction before we will have an unaccountable, independant beaurocracy on our hands. *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh I agree that a merit system taken too far can have it’s own problem, but at this point in hisotry the pendulum has swong all the way back to a “spoils system” of partonage abuse which wasd what the Pendleton Act was meant to combat.</p>
<p>I think that pendulum would have to swing pretty far in the opposite direction before we will have an unaccountable, independant beaurocracy on our hands. *g*</p>
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		<title>By: PraedorAtrebates</title>
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		<dc:creator>PraedorAtrebates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And Yoo and Gonzales.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Yoo and Gonzales.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Disbar Addington.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disbar Addington.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe there ought to be fewer exempt positions in the Plum Book and more merit hiring?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bush Administration was highly abusive in even its political appointees, not just at Justice in all departments and agencies.  I can not think of one where this did not happen.  But this would never have occurred or much less so if there had been real pushback from Congress and the Democrats.  The Addington quote I cited above really encapsulates what the Bush approach was.  They were going to push until somebody pushed back, but almost nobody did.  And in those cases Cheney was usually there with his work arounds.  For all the drama of the confrontation over warrantless wiretapping, the Administration ended up with pretty much everything they wanted.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are problems with a purely merit system.  Who administers it?  Who decides what constitutes merit?  How do we avoid an autonomous bureaucracy that operates virtually independently of the people and their elected representatives?  We have seen gross politicization but there is the danger that the reverse would be as bad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe there ought to be fewer exempt positions in the Plum Book and more merit hiring?</p>
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<p>The Bush Administration was highly abusive in even its political appointees, not just at Justice in all departments and agencies.  I can not think of one where this did not happen.  But this would never have occurred or much less so if there had been real pushback from Congress and the Democrats.  The Addington quote I cited above really encapsulates what the Bush approach was.  They were going to push until somebody pushed back, but almost nobody did.  And in those cases Cheney was usually there with his work arounds.  For all the drama of the confrontation over warrantless wiretapping, the Administration ended up with pretty much everything they wanted.  </p>
<p>There are problems with a purely merit system.  Who administers it?  Who decides what constitutes merit?  How do we avoid an autonomous bureaucracy that operates virtually independently of the people and their elected representatives?  We have seen gross politicization but there is the danger that the reverse would be as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely — come back any time!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely — come back any time!</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Accountability is the tooth in the law. Our laws are toothless at the White House. What are you proposing and is T=this post the National Lawyers Guilsdequivaent to Monday Night Football?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accountability is the tooth in the law. Our laws are toothless at the White House. What are you proposing and is T=this post the National Lawyers Guilsdequivaent to Monday Night Football?</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Lederman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Lederman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much, Christy and fdl readers.  I’m sorry the server was so sluggish and that I didn’t have time to answer more questions, but I think this has been a very worthwhile exchange.  Let’s do it again sometime!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much, Christy and fdl readers.  I’m sorry the server was so sluggish and that I didn’t have time to answer more questions, but I think this has been a very worthwhile exchange.  Let’s do it again sometime!</p>
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