So, yesterday when it became clear Lehman wasn't going to be rescued the Fed relaxed its rules about what it would lend money to banks and brokerage houses and added 25 billion to that loan facility. Ten major banks kicked in 70 billion into a fund they can borrow against if they have problems and overnight the Fed added 70 billion to the banking system's reserves. In other words, a ton of money was built into a wall to backstop the market, not just today, but going forward and to give banks and brokerage houses the ability to offload any lousy security they feel like.
Despite that both the Dow and the S&P500 crashed over 4%. I don't think investors are all that reassured. Which is interesting, because we're talking about some real serious money here. The Fed may not have rescued Lehman, but they did backstop financial firms in a significant way.
What I think Bernanke and Paulson have decided is that they need to start clearing the books. Letting Lehman go under, letting AIG get chopped up, which is how I read the (yet another) 75 billion dollar lending facility led by Goldman and Chase, means that some real numbers are going to be put on a lot of securities and a lot of mark to market is going to occur. That will occasion write-downs. The idea is to try and set a floor by setting some actual market prices, have the firms take their lumps, force the ones that can't survive to either go bankrupt or to be bought up and to stop the death by a thousand cuts.
Will it work? That depends just how bad everyone's books really are, and it depends on how bad they keep getting. If the housing market keeps getting worse, the books keep getting worse.
But Bernanke and Paulson are really going all in on this, they're letting banks play with depositor money:
The Fed added that it was suspending a rule that normally prohibits deposit-taking banks from using deposits to help finance their investment banking subsidiaries to allow them to fund activities normally funded in the repo market on a temporary basis until January 30 2009.
This is a dangerous game, because instead of firewalling that money away from investment subsidiaries, it allows banks to gamble that with depositor money they may be able to turn it around. This was exactly the sort of thing that Glass-Steagall was designed to make impossible - banks to not be in the brokerage business, insurance companies not in banking, and so on. Glass-Steagall was partially repealed in 1980 (part of what made possible the Savings and Loan fiasco), further parts in 99 under Clinton, and now the Fed has violated the fundamental principle that banks shouldn't be gambling with depositor money. Because, be real clear, if you don't really know how much in the hole you are, or how much further you could get, lending money to the unit that's in the hole is gambling.
It's also putting the FDIC (the organization which insures deposits) even more on the hook, and the FDIC does not have infinite money except in the sense that the Treasury can lend it infinite money. At this point the FDIC has about 50 billion. Banks have about 4.7 trillion in insured deposits. Yes, that's a bit of a gap.
So we'll see where it goes from here. Anyone who says they know where it'll stop is wrong, because losses are being amplified by strong leverage, and losses are ongoing as the economy worsens. If you could somehow figure out what the damage is at this instant (and you can't) you still wouldn't know how bad it's going to get.
This has been coming for a long, long time. For years Wall Street made record profits, many multiples of GDP growth and higher than other industries' profits. What they were doing is using heavy leverage, ignoring actual default risk, assuming that housing prices would always rise, and booking future profits in the present as income. Imagine if you could say "well, I think I'll make 1 million over the next 10 years, so I'll just sell that money to investors now, pay them later, and book the sale price of 900K this year." Works, till it doesn't.
All of this has created a huge pile of securities that are worth, at best, cents on the dollar, but are booked as much more. It's the bottom of that pile that Bernanke and Paulson have decided they need to get to. So hang on tight while they go looking for it because as they jump in, grabbing the public's hand at the same time, we better hope the bottom isn't over our heads.
(What would the correct solution be? To create a bottom to the pile rather than jump in looking for one. More on that another time.)
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Given the way they’re printing and throwing around all of our money, Bernanke and Paulson must’ve got Monopoly game sets for last Xmas.
Does this mean I can now move into that hotel on Boardwalk or do I still have to live at Marvin Gardens?
Suspending the rule against allowing banks to use depositors’ money to finance their investment subsidiaries’ losses seems like something the House and Senate Banking Committee ought to get in on. Let’s have some hearings, Congressman Frank and Senator Dodd. Time to tell the people what Helicopter Ben is doing with our money, exactly.
Oh, now would be a good time, too.
agreed. I’m tired of losses being socialized while all profits ae privatized.
I’m depressed. Minnesota turning into a toss-up.
America is showing how teh stupid it really is.
Sigh. Beer thirty.
We’re losing our shirts. McCain has more houses than we have shirts.
I doubt that WaMu depositors’ money will be put at risk, though:
Isn’t this unseen hand of the market working it’s magic? Republics always claim to love that. Why are they now trying to stop that magic hand?
Gee this is all wonderful. Makes my birthday a day to remember
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26710362
If I were John McCain, I would make sure that my wife’s play money was divided up in 100K increments spread between various banks. If I were John McCain, and I still receive my Social Security benefit checks, I would be concerned that all my wife’s money was FDIC insured.
As more banks and such go bankrupt, more people get unemployed. As more people get unemployed, the more home loans go in default. The more loans that default, the more banks go bankrupt. How many people does WaMu and Lehman and AIG employ?
(((LS)))
Keep your spirits up, we’re going to need it. Here is some good news at least… we have pulled ahead in VA.
Umm, My Monopoly was Park Lane and the Old Kent Road…
John McCain’s training as a member of the Keating Five should make him an expert in collapsing financial institutions…unless he’s too old to remember Lincoln Savings and Loan.
My bank is on the shit list, so went to open another account with a “more” sound one. I was told due to terrorist law it’d take 7-10 days to transfer funds. Oh joy, money down the shitter.
Letting them use deposits to gamble with, they aren’t even trying to pretend anymore.
Buy a new mattress, you’re better off.
terrorist law? umm care to elaborate?
Bush’s are pros too. Silverado S&L - money to Bush’s and taxpayers bailed em out. Dubya still got close enough to steal two elections. Liberal Media.
Oy.
I hope that continue. Thinking of President Palin trying to lead us out of the Bush Depression makes my head hurt.
Happy B-day Mike.
I hope mine isn’t quite so stressful (I’m Wednesday)…
BC
I heard fifty thousand to get laid off just from Leahman Bros and Merrill Lynch!
United States of Monopoly
http://georgewashington2.blogs.....ng-on.html
The ground crews keep working away. In fact I recieved an invitation to come out to Ohio and help canvass and get out the vote (they have ealry voting there) I would have free lodging, food. All they need is my body and my car, If I can spare it and it’s large
Those fifty thousand will certainly want to vote for McCain in order to continue the Bush Economic Miracle.
Is Magic Underweat related to that in in way?
Feliz aniversarios foothillsmike.
That’s really great! Think you’ll go?
Great post, Ian, as usual.
I hear tell that Bear Stearns had an affiliation with the Carlyle Group? If there is a traceable, demonstrable association, is there not hay to be made of that?
Sorry, that’s underwear.
Wobbly, I’d love to meet you if you come out here.
I’m ahead - I was 75 years old yesterday - still kicking.
The Bush Crime Family is skilled at leaving few traces.
Nah. Too Senile. And he has a Rebublic memory. aka “I don’t Recall”.
Happy birthday foothillsmike! Sorry for all the negative news.
I guess we know what our parents were doing in December/January…
Happy Birthday to you too Twain!!
What banks are next? UBS, Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse…???
Don’t know yet. Don’t get me wrong, they didn’t single me out for it LOL. it was a spam to all the worker bees. They are trying to take those of us in ’safe’ states (California here) and send us to do battle in the swing states) I’ll talk to mr wobbs and see what is what
((Twain))Happy belated birthday to you.
Ian, minor question of personal interest- I bank with a “Federal Credit Union” of long standing. I assume that this is not a “bank”. ?
Oh, I would love that !!!! Have to talk to the mr about it
Happy Birthday foothillsmike!
and Twain!
Gosh we could start a virgo club
hell, that response was for Badwater @ 29 sometimes technology is not my friend
There was probably a point a year or two back, where unwinding positions could have been done without lots of blood.
Since the root issue is the value of derivative positions, and counter-party strength, most of the losses should be losses on paper that don’t really become losses until it is time to collect–or until somebody goes out of business and forces you to book the losses.
Nobody knows. There is no visibility into the risk, and nobody knows whether the risk is huge, or small, or nonexistent. With Lehman going under, the risk has materialized. Consequences ensue.
Feliz aniversarios Twain.
Yikes…I just saw that Citigroup, which is probably the largest in the world is just over $15. That is really, really bad.
Volume: 268,480,768
Avg Vol: 82,852,000
Uh. Oh.
Poor John-boy. He’s fighting against a media establishment dedicated to his political destruction. Heh.
Thank you. Don’t feel a day over 74. :)
fhmike- I left you a reply down below about my experience with the date thing.
Clinton was impeached on one of my significant b’days, but you got me beat on that one!
Heading ’round the sun again, are you foothillsmike?
May your journey be safe, pleasant and rewarding on all levels.
Happy Launch Day, Mike!!!
The correct solution, since you asked, is to close down the Federal Reserve Banking system and take back control of our money supply.
If the U.S. Treasury was issuing our money and bonds, instead of the FED, we could save $1 Billion dollars a day in interest payments and cut taxes.
Bernanke and Paulson are mere pawns, bought and paid for by the real owners of the Federal Reserve Banking system — European central bankers.
Thanks. I’m so glad you’re back from your vacation. I missed you.
Thanks, Ian. This is exactly what I needed, and was looking for when I asked yesterday. I appreciate your help!
how much, do you think, of what bernanke, paulson, et al. are doing is transparent (visible to the public) and how much is going on behind the scenes that we don’t see?
I’m checking, though I remember when I sold my house in 2006, the transaction was reported, I think, to the Treasury as a required by a money laundering statute.
I missed you too ((Twain))
ahh okay. Well you know since your a DFH, they might have tagged you as a fist bumping terrorist sympathizer
An FCU is *not* a bank, but deposits are insured (up to $100K, I believe) by NCUSIF, which is the credit union version of the FDIC.
MUCH better places than banks, IMHO. I haven’t banked at a bank since my ex- and I separated.
BC
I think that bernanke, paulson, et al. will do whatever they can to hold it together until Nov. 5.
That is where we bank…credit union. I remeber when the banking industry was trying to bust up credit unions. Thank goodness that went nowhere
Boy, the MSM is freaking out about the meltdown…stupid Gergen saying people might want to go with McCain to feel safer…
Good Gawdess!!!
Insanity, insanity….
Save us!!!
Sarah Palin is going to save the economy…yay…
Shit thats what I’m in
And Twain, I see you’ve set sail again as well.
May you have many happy returns.
May you have the wind at your back and a bright horizon to the fore.
Your wit and wisdom are fabulous gifts which you bestow upon us with delightful regularity.
And, in return, I offer you my greatest appreciation, admiration and respect.
I salute you Twain!
;~D
senate banking:
house financial services:
I believe they would fall into the “too big to fail” category.
“What do you mean by economy, Charlie?”
Yeah, she’ll save us.
teehee…hehehe..ha…snort..HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA
safer? mkay. Dumber than a sack of wet hammers, the whole lot of them.
Tha line is going to follow her to her grave and rightfully so
BC- whew! thanks for the info. Not that I have $100,000! But, I do have 2 FCU accounts, one here and one in the city where I lived for a year (sabbatical).
My only ray of hope for the elections…Obama brought in $60 million last month, and McCain brought in $40 million…That is a great difference. The problem will be electoral votes.
And voting fraud, of course.
I hope it follows her back into obscurity after Nov. 4.
Has anyone checked the water in DC lately - there must be some kind of lunacy meds in it
Sarah:
Charlie…if you just shoot a moose, you can live on it for quite awhile…I don’t know what everybody’s so worried about. I’ll put an end to supermarket fraud..I mean supermarkets…when I’m president..I mean Vice President.
Good for you. Happy Birthday. Enjoy.
There Is No Invisible Hand
By Joseph Stiglitz Guardian, 20 December 2002
my bold.
She actually said that?
Lawdy, lawdy … that woman really is the gift that keeps on giving. First, it was, “What does the VP do, exactly?” Then, clueless about Bush’s doctrine of preemptive war. Now, “What do you mean by economy?”
She’d need two clues to get to clueless.
Thank you. That was really nice and I appreciate it. I’m just like my granny and she lived until 84 - maybe I’ll still be commenting through the 2016 election !
Feed the greed
Not many of us do have 100K in any bank-like account. But it IS nice to know what we do have is reasonably safe.
I shall count on that, Twain.
Please explain…how does losing the value of your home…or actually losing your home…not being able to afford to drive your car…not being able to feed your children….losing the value of your 401K…make Repuke mainstreet people turn around and call people whiners and state right in the face of pure fact that the economy is strong? Who are these people?? Are they real people or is it just made up fantasy that the media puts out to create conflict? This is unreal.
I agree, but i doubt Republics would admit to agreeing. Magical thinking is one thing they offer, election after election.
What’s the difference between a good economy and a depression…
Nevermind, you know the answer.
I know, I know….
Lipstick!
Ruby Rove Red Lipstick.
Polls suggesting that McC has peaked. No place to go but down and Sarah won’t help.
stupid Gergen saying people might want to go with McCain to feel safer…
heh. Just wait till Georgie attacks Iran. Voting for McCrazy will be made *mandatory*.
As my military retirement check goes into WaMu and my mortgage is with them, I’ll let you know how things shake out.
I did call AF Personnel today to find out how long it would take to change my deposit. They must not have Bush appointees working there, since it is a very easy process.
I’m depressed. Minnesota turning into a toss-up.
Chuck Todd said today that in any state in which he is not already ahead, McCrazy can’t win.
Then he put Minnesota into the toss-up category.
What the fuck, Chuck?
Anyone who has read any Kevin Phillips knows that the fundamentals of the American economy are now financialization. The financial sector, as shown by today’s evidence (or last week’s, or next week’s) is NOT strong. So it is insanity to say that the fundamentals of our economy are strong, as McCain and Bush continue to do.
The fundamentals of our economy are NOT strong.
Haven’t Americans had enough of the lies? Lies about the war and occupation, lies about energy, lies about climate change, and now — lies about the economy.
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Had Enough?
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not only the republicans. see clinton. see neoliberalism. see obama. :(
Palin had a tanning bed installed in the gov’s mansion. I submit this without comment. :)
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Heh, Been a while since I have seen your trademark question Teddy. Yes, I have had MORE than enough.
The reporting of transactions is part of the PATRIOT ACT that amended several existing laws. The pertinent code is 31 CFR 103.22. It seems to boil down checking your name/ssn against a list of bad people, similar, I’m sure in accuracy TO the NO FLY LIST. Stupid of me to rely on good banking practices & putting my meager saving in a bank. Now I/we stand to lose it!
Remember:
9/11 Happened on Bush’s Watch
Katrina Happened on Bush’s Watch
Gitmo Happened on Bush’s Watch
The invasion and occupation of Iraq Happened on Bush’s Watch
The worst financial disaster since the Great Depression…
Happened on Bush’s Watch
Loss of our civil liberties Happened on Bush’s Watch!
This needs to be hammered in.
All of it, Happened under a Republican President’s Watch!!!
You mean the eviscerated manufacturing base won’t save the jobs? And the now bankrupt financial sector won’t generate enough trickle down service jobs to provide even minimum wage?
Why whodda thunk it?
Ian,
All this is beginning to sound a bit familiar.
Remember the hi-tech bubble at the end of the Clinton administration? What was that called? Would it be too facile to say that Clinton-Gore took the shackles off technology innovation, which created stunning progress in certain internet-related phenomena, but also resulted in over-valuation of certain sectors of the market? Remember the 1990s talk about “the old rules (of the market) don’t apply any more”? Rules like price to earnings ratios, and stuff like that?
Is that an echo I’m hearing?
Bob in HI
Heh, Been a while since I have seen your trademark question Teddy.
I’m already humming the song….
Yes, BUT, McLie says the economy is stong; he can make that statement even though he says he does not much understand economics…Go figure. But in the same day Ms Palin is says the financial system in Washington is broken; she did not say in what respect.
Well, of course, not. They haven’t been strong anytime in the last 8 years, starting with the Bush tax cuts, endless wars, the housing bubble, and commodities speculation and going on to a bad bankruptcy bill, really, really poor job creation, and stagnant wages.
But Bush and McCain can’t say this without pointing at those two guys (along with many others) in the mirror who are responsible.
objection - irrelevant.
John McCain is his own man, and in no way supports any of the actions or decisions of George W. Bush.
oh, ok. -> /s
McCain couldn’t find his arse with either hand.
Someone needs to ask him if he can spell Depression?
She’s still talking “earmarks”…she doesn’t have a clue about the economy, but that day will arrive soon, because her family members will be feeling it..her sister etc., but she’ll find a way to blame Clinton for it, because that is what the Rove types will tell her to say…and her family will just shoot more moose to survive.
Gawd…I got scared!!! *g*
I thought for a moment the pod people had gotten you.
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Two Points: State regulators in NY have allowed AIG to borrow the reserves of its other insurance subsidiaries.
The other is that if we had the info the feds have we could come up with a set of projections pegged to percent decline in mortgage values that would tell us where the various bottoms would likely be.
Did y’all see the one (can’t remember the blog) where a Lt. Gov. said something to the effect that “since palin knows how to kill and dress a moose, she wanted to share the information that *she* knows how to castrate a bull but that doesn’t make her qualified to be VP.”
*GGGGG*
I thought for a moment the pod people had gotten you.
No, it was pointed out to me the other day that occasionally my sense of humor needs to be ‘identified’.
That’s not really a good sign, huh?
Tweety is smacking down Nancy Poopenscooper because she’s implying that he’s being irresponsible about stating the facts…He’s jumping back at her and saying, Why are you saying that the economy is fundamentally sound? She’s now blaming Obama for raising taxes (in the future)…we have the best workers, most productive, etc., and that is why Obama is a job killer…”a recipe for recession”…Bwahahahaha…The recession is here already Nancy!!! Under your watch!!! Tweety pointing that out. Increased spending is the problem, Washington can control that…look at Obama’s record…Tweety…What are you talking about!!!
Nancy: Obama blessed and took part in spending and McCain opposed it…
Tweety: Nancy, I’m not blaming you, but that is, paraphrasing, BS.
Nancy: Dems were in the pocket of lobbyiest. It’s the Dems fault.
Tweety: Who’s responsible….??