Watching the ongoing slurp-fest McCain’s political opponents offer up to him, one FDL contributor shared this insight about Dem pols and pundits:
Fundamentally when these gasbags go on tv they’re talking about themselves, and they’ve all been running around saying "McCain is an honorable man" for so long they can’t switch message without feeling foolish. So their first impulse is to contextualize their own history of praising him.
In narcissistic personality disorder, deferring defense of perceived shortcomings creates intolerable emotional discomfort.
For the true clinical narcissist, being experienced as flawed or lacking is the subjective equivalent of risking annihilation.
Who cares about a nation, much less an election, when there’s a precious self to preserve?
In the natural world, what holds bubbles together is surface tension. In the Village of pols and pundits, what holds the opinion bubble together is inner tension. Surface tension depends on physics. The Villagers’ inner tension depends on the endless fear narcissists carry through their lives: the fear of being seen as flawed.
Of course, we’re all flawed…which is why clinical narcissism is a very real diagnosis: emotionally healthy people don’t have to go create the illusion of their perfection to get through life. Narcissists, however, do. That’s why the Villagers keep lying to us 24/7: it’s what they do every second of their own lives, as well.
Emotionally healthy people can experience the knowledge they’ve made a mistake and tolerate the discomfort that knowledge brings. Folks suffering from clinical narcissism can’t tolerate that discomfort. For folks with clinical narcissism, their inner experience is a world in which their self-worth feels so tenuous they experience any failure as an intolerable threat to their selves. From this perspective, any serious mistake feels like it could annihilate the self, and hence destroy them.
So they go through life telling themselves — and everyone around them — they don’t make serious mistakes. This self telling takes shows up in two different narratives. The more obvious narrative comes from the narcissists who walk around telling us all how glorious they are. Sound like any politicians or CEO’s you know of? Sound like all nearly all of ‘em? Yep — sounds like that to me, too.
The less obvious narrative narcissists tell themselves and everyone around them is how free of error they are. Sound like any pundits, Village stenographers, or jounanamalists you know of? Sound like nearly all of ‘em? Yep — sounds like that to me, too.
These two pathologically false narratives provide the endless stream of inner tension that keeps the Villagers’ shared delusional bubble so impermeable to mere reality. For narcissists, facts are stupid things – and dangerous things, as well.
Narcissists flock to life as pols and pundits for the same reason flies flock to shit: there they find what they need to survive. Where else but hand-picked crowds and hand-picked interviewees could these deeply damaged people get the continual reinforcement of their inerrancy and splendor?
Of course, all forms of nourishment have their price. In biology, the only free lunches come from photosynthesis. All the other critters have a tab to pay. For flies, the price of their nourishment is always walking on and eating shit. For narcissists, the price is never eating metaphorical shit: they can never admit serious error. Social networks comprised of narcissists — like those of CEO’s and their busisness "press" worshippers…and that of Village pols and their pundit "press" worshippers — require everyone in the network to profess their collective inerrancy.Just keep the lies going, and no narcissists’ selves get hurt.
The risk of inner annihilation shores up the Village’s delusional narratives from within. Outside the Village, the corporatists making billions from the straightjacket these delusions put around political debate and the policies that may come from such debate keep their Righty Wurlitzer aimed at the pols and pundits, ready to publicly take down any Villager who gets off the reservation.
Narcissism as public political discourse. America, what a country Village.
Look on the bright side — it could be worse. We could have a major political leader so terrified to admit his beloved "post-partisan" platform smells like dung he’d rather throw the election to the Rethugs than flush what his supporters already know is a steaming pile.
Now that’s enough to cause depression.
Who wants to buy the first round of St. John’s Wort?



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Good evening!
Might I add that with their grossly inflated pay packages, they benefit materially from Republican economic policies. Their great wealth also generally insulates them from the adverse effect of Republican misrule.
Good evening, Dru!
Ike told us to beware the Military Industrial Complex.
He’s baaaaack, to remind us.
Narcissists flock to life as pols and pundits for the same reason flies flock to shit:
Pretty much ’splains it all, to me.
Great line, btw!
Perhaps the last good Republican. What I know for certain is that all of the good Republicans are dead.
Narcissism nails it. All of the beltway from the pols to the talking heads are narcissists on steroids.
Another word is gasbag.
Doornails.
He’s baaaaack, to remind us.
Don’t suppose I should hold my breath waiting for a mega-fundie preacher to explain that this is Dog’s revenge on Texas for loosing George W. Bush upon an unprepared and relatively undeserving world, huh?
Rethugs really like to label themselves as “the Party of Lincoln.” Good reason for that – it is just about all they have. If you really look at the history of the Republican party, the only good President’s have been Lincoln, maybe Teddy Roosevelt (he is a real mixed bag), and Ike. Everyone else is corrupt, incompetent, or both. Andrew Johnson, Grant, Hoover, Coolidge, the lot of them.
Actually I think God is aiming directly at GHW and Babs. She always did have a wicked sense of humor.
It’s pretty simple really, I won’t tell anybody you’re not a leader if you don’t tell anybody I’m not a journalist.
Yes ~ !
Thanks, Kirk.
I can’t help wondering how many people will drown and perish tonight because of the interlocking rings of narcissistic defenses the Villagers (media, government, lobbyists) have erected around their world.
If the Villagers’ protected our lives with a fraction of the energy they deploy to shore up their inner lack of self-worth, the people of Galveston and the rest of Texas in Ike’s path would have a safe and well-funded evacuation tonight.
Instead, many will die: sacrifices to the Villagers’ paeans to their own inerrancy.
Good Evening Doctor Murphy,
let’s talk about treatment – I understand it would be rare to have someone with the disorder actually seek treatment
and I assume it would be counseling in some form over a long period of time.
and that there wouldn’t be a “cure” – at best coping skills in conjunction with awareness of the disorder
but how does one go about creating self awareness of the problem in one of these patients ?
SP….giving alittle lecture on the economy….need to put it back on side of the people…Charlie looks so bored/put out. “Provide the world view that I have….” Reduce the growth of gov’t…Asking her to answer the question….
Well done Kirk. Thanks.
Evenin’ Ms wangdang -
good to see you here. last update shows a slight westerly turn but it just means slightly higher winds and more rain
OT — Perhaps a good place to put this — please re-post the information on other venues.
The business of getting investigations underway in Minneapolis and St. Paul with regard to Security and Policing Policy during the RNC is underway, and those who were arrested, were witnesses and all need to get involved.
St. Paul has appointed Tom Hefflefinger, former US Attorney who was on one of the lists to be fired as Lead Investigator. Others, including a co-chair who was associate USA during the Clinton years are on that team. They will initially be taking as points of departure formal complaints filed with the Police or the City Civil Rights Commission — and there is a deadline for filing, 30 days from the date Hefflefinger’s appointment was made. As of last night, there were no formal complaints. This is not connected with those who might file civil suits — it is about policy. Hefflefinger will not be dealing with matters that might come before a judge and jury.
In Minneapolis they are recommending that policy matters go to Hefflefinger in St. Paul, but the Civil Rights Commission — which in MPLS has authority to look at Police Brutality matters in Minneapolis, will take complaints, and they have a six months window in which they can be filed. (So those involved in the Ron Paul matter or the Rage Against the Machine Concert — they have more time, and file with the Minneapolis Civil Rights Commission.)
I hope this information reaches people who might want to file.
/Begin rant/
Frankly, who cares about the narcissists? Themselves.
The rest of us need rid of them, and sorry, I don’t care one whit about their “feelings.” I want the Fun back in “Function” and they can suck on their dysfuntion.
Sorry to be rude
/end rant/
oh BRAVO……..applauds loudly
Truth is they do not give a shit about anyone else and are incapable of doing so. They live in their insulated bubble of wealth and power where everything is just a fleeting amusement with no real effects on them.
Great question about a really difficult task. The narcisissts are so threatened by any sense of imperfection that they almost never initiate therapy ‘cuase they need fixing. When they initiate therapy, they come because of discomfort they experience from others.
The therapist’s challenge is to keep the narcissist in therapy and draw attention to the only thing any patient can really change (themselves) without making the patient feel like they are “broken”.
Slow, careful work.
Thanks, Teddy!
perfect, ratfood.
ps . this confirms my waitress-fu – what I’ve been saying the last year about these gits and their relationship McLiar
all of this simply because he paid attention to them – like effing 7 year olds
Astoundingly, some Rethugh talking head on Larry King commenting on The View aid he hears that show when he passes by the kitchen and that McCain showed a lot of courage facing (those women) and he doubted that many people paid any attention to that show with (all those women) on it.
WTF????? Talk about a misogynist pig!
I’ve truly come to believe that in order to understand the McCain/Palin/Bush supporters we need to understand that makes them tick. Robert Altemeyer’s “The Authoritarians” helped me do that. Free, so the price is right…
Am I the only one totally bugged out by the hair?
The View, said he hears that show…
You are talking about a Rethug. Misogynist (and racist) is simply redundant.
Lack of empathy and narcissism tend to run together. Those who can’t tolerate experiencing their own flaws can’t tolerate knowledge they’ve harmed others.
amen Sister Marion !
learned of his work in John Dean’s Conservatives Without Conscience
nails them, completely nails ‘em
My! A priesent comment long overdue and bringing detailed clarity to the press purveyors “pissing in the wind” press spin. Beautifully and artfully expessed. Hope for Diggs across the net all the “Progressive blogs” http://www.mcclatchydc.com/ washingtom monthly and other real News bureau.
This shpold be syndicated as a classic bar for the media to achieve…honest and humble reporters instead of egotists maintaining a meme for their mentors.
The best alltime I have read.
OT We are not at war? Dems are not campaiging on stopping it?
or independents now…as Sarah Eisenhower, the granddaughter of Ike, announced to Colbert she is as of a couple weeks ago.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Let’s face it, the media is made up of the ‘un-cool’ kids. They’re still social outcast in many respects and far from the pack leaders intellectually. They just want to belong to whatever group is ‘in’ but they don’t have the social I.Q. to ever figure out what group that is. As a result they are condemned to live their lives as the puppies of the pack, forever relegated to a life of sucking up to whoever happens to be the flavor of the day.
he doubted that many people paid any attention to that show with (all those women) on it.
sssshhhhhh – let’s don’t clue him in, K?
did ya see this pic of McSame on the conmans yacht on his 70 th birthday
birds of a feather …love each others company
http://static1.firedoglake.com…..mbnail.jpg
John Dean urged him to write it, as I understand. There’s not a scrap of jargon in it, and it’s not overly long. It should be
requiredstrongly urged reading for EVERY progressive trying to combat “the big lies.”steppford wife
Charlie leaning on the earmarks;;;Alaska got way more that Ill; Charlie stays with it.She is sosoo phony. earmark abuse will stop….
Don’t know anything about her personally, but her grandfather was an honorable man. She is showing some minimal signs of honr, though I have to ask what took her so long? The Rethugs have been like this for more than 30 years.
they are fragile as thin crystal…..need perfect settings ,and are CONTROL FREAKS
yep…prisoners of their elementary schools…decades after they left 6th grade.
Nr Dr. Dick Ike was sent by Molly Ivins and Ann Richards RIP.
Somebody forgot to mention to him that 51% of the population is women. And they vote. 8-)
I keep waiting for the patriarchal, patronizing –
“How ’bout our girl, she really showed ‘em !”
You’ve piqued my interest. Just downloaded it.
perfect description
HEY FDL TECHIES…REFORMAT THE PAGE!!! IT RUNS INTA THE ADS!! CAN’T READ THE LAST 10 SPACES OF THE LINES!!
our Teddy once commented on that – and how they had risen socially/class and were hell bent on never letting it go
would be interesting to graph out their backgrounds
They have learned a few lessons in the last few decades. They only say that in private now, just like they talk about that uppity N***** boy among themselves.
MY TINFOI HAT IS BEGINNIN TA MELT…WHERE IS RACHEL MADDOW…AND DON’T GIVE ME THAT SHIT ABOUT TECH PROBLEMS IN STUDIO!!!
This thread is moving too fast. And if you’re holding your breath, you must be a nice shade of blue by now.
sigh, teen cbl is hijacking the ‘puter.
bbl
hope all (((central texas firedogs))) are safe and hunkered down – fasten your seatbelts
so glad you shared that resource. If te Village Press People could tolerate the pols’ disapproval, they’d be writing about that themselves. As they won’t, sharing it among ourselves is the best way I know to get the concept out.
And will be long dead and buried before that fundie preacher says a word.
HA! I love this graphic. I wonder if I can get an actual mccain/palin pin made.
I’m off to loll in the arms of Morpheus. I’ll have breakfast ready for you when y’all wake up in the morning. Sleep well, and be safe if you’re anywhere near the hurricane.
very hard to live with … i have
in a word..they totally lack PERSSPECTIVE
Had the very same thought earlier today.
Any thoughts, James Dobson? *crickets*
ummm…Norske..all caps are shouting, and shouting at people who are here to help us is, well, rude and self-absorbed.
yes the STATUS QUO is to be protected at ALL costs
I keep waiting for the patriarchal, patronizing -
“How ’bout our girl, she really showed ‘em !”
Oh, I heard a pretty good variation of that today.
Don’t remember the numb-nut’s name – (my brain tends to filter out the utterly irrelevant).
Or are you talking about that line coming from McCrazy? I’d think that that would be tough to say with a straight face, even from him…. BUT – I’ve thought that before.
Night Marion.
hmm I hadn’t thought about that
it’s so freakin’ dated.
she wants us to be “empowered to embrace” her ideas on choice.
They wish! They wouldn’t know a good Republican if s/he bit them on the ass. In fact, they’d crucify one if s/he showed up, as surely as they would Jesus on his second coming.
nite ,nite
boa noite Marion
Sleep well, Marion.
Hope you get to use the computer soon, cbl.
Mum’s the word.
And will be long dead and buried before that fundie preacher says a word.
Hey – no rooting, ok? *g*
Aloha, Doc and Pups!
Rachel 8:00 – 9:00 CDT
It’s 9:39 CDT right now
/Public Service Announcement
Lincoln would reject the modern party out of hand, as I suspect would Ike. Not too sure about old Teddy. He was definitely a world class imperialist wanker, though he had some redeeming qualities, unlike the modern lot.
Nighters, Marion. Looking forward to breakies!
just read her husband SAT IN on all meetings………some feminist pit bull
……………………harumph
I am thinking of natural causes after a very long life. ;-)
SP: Reverse Roe…culture of life is best for America…Only case of life of the mother;
Personal opinion: not create an embryo then destroy it.
Homosexuality: Don’t judge….
Guns: rely on guns, etc part of the culture. Ban guns then only available to people that don’t obey the laws.
Why am I watching this woman?
Agreed. That doesn’t stop them from claiming him, and them. The dumbing down, it’s working.
Mission accomplished.
Marion in Savannah@59 — battlin’ the bears for the berries hereabouts, but I’ve some lovely pear-lemon jelly from the local Breadsmith for toppers….
Charlie Daniels and his boyfriend.
ahh sweet Morpheus,
she is LYING anywho
Because you have a hidden masochistic streak? For the same reason people watch car wrecks?
Better?
she’s the “fem” in his’t pitbull
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hehehehehehehehehehehehehe
anyone want some tea
http://knit.populuxe.ca/img/BS/wk4-love1.jpg
Because you’re a masochist?
Perfectly aligned – One of your many anal qualities?
*Disclaimer – I’m about as anal as they come*
;~P
Does anyone think that the general public is going to wake up and see that woman as she is?
Heading out to listen to my favorite local band. BBL.
right now, I’ll drink anything I can add arsenic to
Good tunes, Dr D!
Not holding my breath
well i never thought about it……but mebbe
nononnonononono
we need you on the team…….soon this too will pass
Do you then start from..”We know you are perfect so to make others more comfortable with you…get a little dirt on you… try gardening without the gloves. Giggle.
Well, maybe. And trying to come up with some word for the way she parries in the interview…what she does with her hands. And even watching Charlie…he’s pressed pretty hard, and looked pretty disgusted. There is not a shrinking violet bone in her body; says trooper is still there. And he had made threats on the first family…We’ll see, I guess. Im guessing First Dad Todd is not a source of candor and truth.
I’ll take one of those cookies. Thx.
Citizen Kirk:
Now that you heard about the problem…ya wanna help do sumpthin about it??…JEEzus…please save us from “liberals” who can’t figure out the difference between the message and the medium!
No.
This has been…
um…no.
right now, I’ll drink anything I can add arsenic to
i always forget – does that call for red, or white wine?
Just kidding, of course – luv ya.
Signs and portents:
CNN reporting Ike will veer west of Galveston, the eyewall will hit landfall near 3 AM.
avec plaisir,and have a few sips to wash it down…”g”
Make mine a double.
Thanks, Kirk. I noticed that about Sarah Palin, who not only congratulates herself, and her sense of self-satisfaction is contagious, but she comforts the xenophobes and jingoists that they are just wonderful the way they are and to stay with their tunnel vision. Narcissism feeding on narcissism!
Thanks for addressing this. The emperor has no clothes. That is step one, really getting down to the basics.
It is like a dysfunctional family system. Where the family ends up ejecting anyone in the family objecting to the crazy system just to keep the system limping along and because of the desperate GROUP-THINK. 3 mandates: “Don’t Think, Don’t Trust, Don’t Feel” and if you break one you have defied the family system. And there is an anti-feeling (anti-feminine principles, anti-yin mandate for these patriarchal systems).
We look at this narcissistic-addict behaving controllers, but we have to look at the rest of the community ENABLING the “narcissist,” allowing the little baby to get behind the wheel of the country and drive it off a cliff. Someone said that here the other day, can’t remember who, sorry, but it stayed with me.
Scott Peck wrote a good book, too, PEOPLE OF THE LIE. He talks about biophilic people vs. necrophilic people. Necrophilic people want everyone around them to be automatons so that the necrophilic can avoid the inconveniences of life. People have to “contract” around them. Biophilic people want others to expand. Peck also says evil is laziness to the nth degree.
In a New Earth, Eckart Tolle talks about the “collective ego” that can be impervious to truth, the group convinces itself of its rightness. He says the hippies of the 60s assaulte the self-serving self-image from the 50s culture. Also, he says religion can be used in service to the truth or in service to the EGO, and the theocracy
seepingflooding into our government is in the service of EGOs.Though, the other day, I was also thinking of the Stockholm Syndrome, where hostages end up protecting the hostage-taker, identify with them more than focusing on themselves from the sustained trauma. I feel like we’ve been hostages for a long time. Dear God, NOT another 4 years.
Sorry to go on so long. We have all been chewing on the Catch-22 quality of our national existence for sooooo long.
Bill Maher’s guests tonight include Jeaneane Garafalo, East Coast feed begins in five minutes.
It’s five minutes to Maher, g’night, pups.
she is a chamoelean……and some of them are deadly poisonous
So we have two choices……
1. to get off our duffs and get to work and do our best to get Obama elected
2. Find a new country to live in because this one is going to be pretty intolerable soon….
I was at the liquor store this afternoon on my way home from work to purchase some cerveza and a pack of gum and, being the friendly type that I am, and to pass time at the register while my purchase was being tallied, engaged in small talk with the cashier. We were talking about the flavor of my gum selection, which was raspberry mint… She said she liked the mojito mint, which I concurred with. Suddnely she referred to a bottle of Absynthe at about $60, to which I replied “It’s out of my range, besides – you know what they say about Absynthe, don’t you?” – She said “No.” – I said “It makes the heart grow fonder.”
She didn’t get it.
/ramble
oops….bungled my typing (again)
The core of any theraputic relationship is empathy…the only way I know of to reach a narcissist (or anyone else) is to find some aspect of their (real) inner misery with which one can genuinely empathize.
I had to google that. Is this the avec plaisir to which you refer?
that makes it worse, doesn’t it?
g’night Prairie
see you in the sunshine
that is where im at
They sell gum at your liquor store?
What if a narcissist is also a classic sociopath … who is incapable of empathy? Can’t feel the connection. Or is a sociopath a narcissist to the nth degree?
libby, People Of The Lie is like a field guy to Villagers (and other communities built around holding Power within). So glad for your comment!
- – -
G’nite, Prairie: hope you win the berry competition with the bears (sans arm wrestling, of course)
easy choice. Work for Obama.
why yes,im looking well tonight….(narcissits delight)
easy choice.
Work for Obama.
Being obtuse… funny joke, even it she didn’t get it.
Load one for me and pass that fucker over here…
often go together…it is the extreme
roflmao!
I want to marry Janeane Garofalo
You look mah-velous, dahling!
julia upstairs
Yeah, why?
I only know MO, KS, AR, FL & CA rules regarding that, and they’re pretty much all the same.
okay i loves yall muchly…eyeballs hurt,so its tea and beddyby for me
hope SANITY will prevail XX2 fingers and toes
That’s a really interesting question. What DMS calls “Antisocial Personality Disorder (sociopathy) may be the behavioral manifestation of a defective capacity to exprience anxiety.
Some studies appear to show folks who meet diagnostic criteria for APD seem to be unable to get anxious about anything: their fear machine is broken.
On the face of it, that may be incompatable with the fearful inner world which clinical narcisissts experience…
Absynthe is expensive everywhere
Narcistic?
Oooooooh, we’ve had 8 years of emperor without clothes…..Yukk
300,000 folks in Houston without power….Strong Categ. 2; very large. Eyewall going over Galveston & Houston…overnight.
Good local hurricane coverage at KHOU.com, look on the right side of your screen for the live stream.
Linkydoodle
Because gum is something I’m not looking for when I go to the liquor store.
Sleep well, sadlyyes.
Folks, Julia’s upstairs with another of her excellent posts. I’m gonna wander off for dinner and check back here later — thanks for spending some of your Friday evening here together.
Be well!
thanks, wang!
For anyone still downstairs – nitey nite.
and wangdang: ‘ere!
Be good to yourselves, and each other.
I gotcha, albeit a tad late.
“… they’ve all been running around saying “McCain is an honorable man” for so long they can’t switch message without feeling foolish …” — Kirk James Murphy M.D.
He is an honorable man, or at least has seemed to be one before getting into this difficult race.
It’s just becoming more obvious by the minute that he is destined to take the orders, never to be the Commander.
There is a relatively new book called “The Sociopath Next Door.” The author says 1 in 100 people are sociopaths. She claims they are incapable of empathy. And they are some of the most charismatic enthralling people who are very strategic and have NO CONSCIENCE. They are brilliantly strategic and opportunistic.
I think people mistake extreme narcissism for courage. Narcissistic bravado for courage. Look at that person defending himself or herself. A non-sociopath would look nervous and guilty. But a socipath has such flair and faux-innocence, it impresses the watchers. The tv … can’t show us the diff between a seriously grounded spiritual person and a “radiant” big fat or very attractive liar! The tv picks up natural human nervousness. And we as Americans love “COOL”.
I remember when Madonna with her bad girl cool completely eclipsed singers like Cindy Lauper, still in their primes, she was so compelling … with her sexy indifference and steeliness. American “cool” ….
kind of emotionally “autistic” … faking good will toward others. Can act but can’t truly FEEL it.
Wiki says
Need five of these for the disorder:
has a grandiose sense of self-importance
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
believes that he or she is “special” and unique
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement
is interpersonally exploitative
lacks empathy
is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Maybe narcissists are more neurotic… running from the self-hate. Sociopaths are split off from the self-hate. Is that psychotic? Psychopathic.
I’m special (I think)
Marion and cbl2: totally concur re: Altemeyer’s book. Particularly impressive he wrote simply but with extensive appendices. One could skim or dig deeply.
Had a major ah-ha! moment when he distinguished between Social Dominators and Authoritarians.
Hey Kirk great post! I hope you treated your ears to the delight that yoy got in the mail!!
Thanks, BB. There are a few there I had never thought of.
And such personality types ENTRUSTED with the taxpayers’ money and massive weaponry and military and ABSOLUTE POWER … corrupts ABSOLUTELY more and more.
Interpersonally … which embraces all the people in a nation and other nations! Whew.
Lovely.
I usually go for iced tea with sugar, but I’m just American…forgive me.
Different take on the Media.. these types work best for them as the media strives o be peerless?
Cashier: Paper or plastic? [ yes, I know it’s old ]
Me: Do you realize how many plastic trees they have to cut down to make plastic bags?
Cashier: [The blinking wordless look on Sarah Palin’s face.]
To high school kids: Think outside of the balloon!
kids: [The blinking wordless look on Sarah Palin’s face.]
Am I old, or just adopted? Heh.
Hey, stop licking the t.v. tube. Get a hold of yourself man!
Boy, the media can be a catalyst to set up massive popularity with them. All that puedo-unconditional love for a while. But then… shadenfreud.. is that how you spell it… that is when people turn cruel… and sadistic…just for the enjoyment of seeing someone successful fail? Talk about love/hate with the media.
Thinking of charismatic beloved stars/icons who committed suicide, turned to drugs, alcohol, ….
Also, kid stars who get pumped up on all that attention and then the spotlight leaves them and they feel like a has been in the teens or twenties. the price of success.
Curious about the Bush movie, W, from Oliver Stone. I don’t appreciate people over-speculating like he did in his JFK film, but on this one… I wish he could have explored W’s psyche before we all had to suffer from it.
I heard a funny line from the trailer. Daddy Bush is chewing up W and says, “Who do you think you are? A Kennedy?????” If only he had been… sigh.
BB- Rereading your list we had a “perfect storm” of narcissists converging. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, …. and then the sub-set of lower level narcissists …
So do I and it’s legal in Cali.
I wonder about the distinctions between malignant narcissists and sociopaths. In practice it seems they behave very similarly. The conscious decision to harm others while gaining what ever goal is observed, and felt as, cold calculated malevolence. It has been my understanding and experience that both malignant narcissists and sociopaths will or can achieve the same ends. Example: destroy an others sense of self, believably twist reality, manipulate, etc… One distinction I can think of is the narcissist won’t kill you if they think it will harm them however they might hire someone else to do it, where a sociopath will kill you to help you out of their misery.
What I do know is that these particular pathologies create a wide swath of misery and it seems like it runs rampant in government, large corporations, and some churches. Would appreciate the good Docs. input.
This was mightily on view when Charlie Gibson was challenging Obama at the Dem candidates’ debate, asserting as a fact that lower capital gains rates would be good. Good for Mr. Big Bucks, maybe, but not for the Treasury.
Perfectionism is also a symptom of addictive thinking. The addict wants everything to be perfect and when it isn’t goes out of control, having an excuse to drink and drug and induce a crisis which ups the adrenaline and produces the emotions the addict usually can’t feel due to the anesthetic of drinking or drugging. _When Society Becomes an Addict_ explains American politics better than most political science books I’ve seen.
Anne Wilson Schaef? I think I read that long ago. I think I would probably GET IT more now! We are an anti-feeling society! Even the Palin thing is clearly an addiction to excitement, as was Obama mania. Distractions. Denial prevails for sure. 3 Ps they say: Perfectionism, Procrastination, Paralysis. Appreciate the insights, gsmoke! ty.