Sarah Palin gave an interview tonight to ABC’s Charles Gibson. It should end John McCain’s hopes to be President.
McCain selected a relatively unknown governor and, as far as anyone could tell, an apparently unqualified person to be his running mate, thereby putting her in line to be President of the United States. Nothing we’ve learned about Palin in the last 10 days – little of it encouraging and most of it revealing patterns of dishonesty, secrecy, authoritarianism, abuse of power and extreme religious views — has done anything to refute the initial impression that she has virtually no experience or knowledge that would make her even remotely qualified for the highest office in the land.
In the interview Palin made the jaw-dropping suggestion that "maybe" we should go to war with Russia over Georgia’s break away provinces. She then added the equally provocative notion that the US should automatically accept Israel’s decision to start a war with Iran, without mentioning any caveat about its impact on US interests or any desire to avoid war if possible. She then showed that she doesn’t even know what the Bush doctrine is, the centerpiece of Republican foreign policy.
The main qualities Palin has exhibited have nothing to do with Presidential qualifications. She has shown a remarkable ability to function as a celebrity for the right wing of her Party, something McCain once derided, and an ability to excite the religious right wing whose support McCain desperately needed if he hoped to meet his long held ambitions to be President.
That excitement owes entirely to the fact that she is one of their own — and thus represents an opportunity to expand their influence over judicial appointments and governance — and not to any intrinsic qualifications for high office. Indeed, the same qualities that make her attractive to her most avid supporters are precisely the qualities that make her possible ascension to the Presidency so troubling to others.
The McCain campaign is fully aware of her obvious lack of relevant qualifications. Their denials on this point are belied by the fact they’ve done everything they could to shield Sarah Palin from unchaperoned appearances and media scrutiny. To soften the eventual questioning, they’ve bullied the media, while distracting voters with phony claims. In the meantime, they’ve been scrubbing her record in Alaska and moving swiftly to shut down the ethics investigation into her alleged abuse of authority as governor.
While they hid her from questioning, they spent a week pumping her with as much information as she could handle, hoping that by the time she gave her first interview Thursday night with ABC’s Charles Gibson, she would at least come off sounding a little less embarrassing. It was a vain hope. Even her partisans must have cringed by her stock, sophomoric answers and lack of depth.
All of this should be enough for the nation to say, en masse, "enough of this charade." But the McCain campaign is not done insulting the nation’s voters. All this week they’ve been selling the implicit argument that if Sarah Palin can answer questions from Charles Gibson in complete sentences and without sounding like a complete moron, then (1) she must be qualified to become President of the United States and (2) her selection reflects well on John McCain’s ability to make sound decisions. What are these people talking about?
Sarah Palin’s most revealing response to Charles Gibson was her unqualified statement that she never had the slightest doubt about her readiness to be President. The woman doesn’t even know enough to know she doesn’t know enough.
That astonishing declaration of ignorance, hubris and conceit ought to leave every American demanding that John McCain explain what on earth he was thinking in exposing the nation to someone who needs a week of intense briefings just to answer predictable questions from Charles Gibson and who seems to think being President is little more than memorizing right wing talking points and no more challenging than being President of the local PTA.
The fact that the media has to perform this vetting process is both insulting to voters and absurd; it is making us an international laughing stock. It’s time for the media to say that being qualified to be President is not the same as being able to pass a quiz at the end of remedial course in foreign events. It’s time to demand that John McCain answer for his utter lack of judgment.
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It should end John McCain’s hopes to be President.
Can I stop reading right there?
I think it’s incredibly elitist to expect Sarah Palin to know what the Bush Doctrine is.
Hey Scarecrow, we’re downstairs kibbutzing the Old Man and Obama.
Yeah, she and McFlame are total IMPOSTERS.
But you’re responding like an intelligent, thoughtful person, thinking of issues.
Would you like to have her over for dinner?
Bob in HI
holy crap! she is cuckoo
This is what McCain’s pick show. I spent more time picking out babysitters for my children. In fact I spent more time vetting my dog sitters.
She doesn’t even know…she doesn’t know. That about captures it.
She looks and sounds like Julia Roberts playing a governor in a movie. A comedy.
It should end John McCain’s hopes to be President.
You are assuming a majority of Americans have half a brain. The moment he chose her it should have ended any hopes he had, but two weeks later here we are. It’s absurd in the extreme. I’d be hard pressed to find another example of such poor judgement exhibited by a presidential candidate that didn’t torpedo his campaign.
EPIC
FAIL
Bet the McCain campaign will lie about that, too.
This woman is on her way to getting the nuclear codes.
We are so f—ed.
i must know who “Thomas Mifflin” is, but in another form. Just wanted to thank him for his TIRELESS efforts to DIGG important posts like these, and spread the wisdom of FDL, DWT and Glenn around.
*sigh* I’m scared
Good evening. Interesting stuff going on tonight.
I wonder how many people will watch tomorrow, being a Friday night and all. I can imagine KO and Rachel will have lots of fun with it though.
If she can’t handle Charlie Creampuff Gibson, I don’t think those other interviews are going to be happening anytime soon.
That name is new to me, but we appreciate it. Either an alias or an alien, or maybe just a good person.
Jacqrat:
That’s me!! ;-)
And FYI, Mifflin is one of the signers of either the Declaration of Independence or Constitution(Or maybe both .. I need to check Wikipedia later).
Lying so furiously, she blew the lipstick off her lips.
The Obama campaign should make a Goldwater daisy ad out of her war with russia comments.
No one under 50 remembers the Cold War and the actual fear of nuclear holocaust.
Your dogs are more important to you than the country is to McCain.
Still a pig. /s
“The woman does even know enough to know she doesn’t know enough.”
Assuming you want a “not” as the fourth word, I couldn’t agree more. She hasn’t got a damn clue.
Her theocracy is terrifying, along with personality dysfunctions of auhoritarianism and amorality and narcissism. They kinda cover it all, maybe?
Sarah wants to make sure ALL our hearts will be “right with God.” And she and Dobson will push us so much farther down the slippery slope we are already so far down thanks to Bush.
ENDS OF DAY stuff…. yeah, wars not daunting … climate change not daunting … bring it on, since post rapture, she will be given supernatural powers.
She didn’t “blink” about getting invited to be VP. That alone is scary. HUBRIS IN A DRESS!
So this is a VERY dangerous Julia R.
Thanks for your hard work!
One of the many times I spit my water out;
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Nope. Too much moose in her diet: getting the smell out of the oven would take for ever.
Just listened to House of War by James Carroll. Brought the whole “duck & cover” terror back to me. No one today knows terror like those of us growing up in the era when US policy was preventative nuclear war with USSR.
Meldrim Thomson with $700 designer glasses.
Yes. thanks. I fixed that typo.
But…but…but…McCain says Country First!™
yep — and I’ve looked across the Golden Gate to Marin so often I’m now mayor of Sausalito.
How does she not know that Ahmadinejad has no real power rather it is the Ayatollahs who rule the roost. Cheesus, we don’t need anymore ignorant people running the govt
So I wonder how long it will be before they send her out again without training wheels.
I’m thinking these interviews are going to be few and far between.
I would have liked Charlie to ask her if she’s ever heard of “MAD.”
Welcome. If I read a story here, at DWT or Glennzilla’s, i’ll Digg it or if necessary start it. Some stories get a ton of hits. It all helps FDL’s traffic. Hopefully the squirrel’s aren’t in okay. They seem to have been slowing down lately. :-(
Which as far as the rethug base is concerned is alright with them. Look who they voted for last time. And the time before that.
I didn’t see the interview and don’t want to watch the video. It depresses me. She’s on her way to being voted the American Idol. That seems to be what this election is about.
yes, but would you go to war if Sausalito were attacked by Alameda?
yeah Sarah, and the drug dealer down the street has a house full of pharmaceuticals, that doesn’t make him a Pharmacist !
un effing believable
I was out to dinner so I missed it. Listening to the longer clip on TPM. Did anyone do a “Charlie” count? Sounds like she used it every other word.
I expect to hear a chorus from the McPalin campaign proclaiming that Gibson’s interview shows The Media is biased against them. And announcing a boycott of all media interview requests. Because they are picking on her.
Somebody needs to get her a copy of Foreign policy for dummies real quick
Watch the video; trust me on this.
Hi, Doc. Did you watch McCain’s appearance this evening? Any more symptoms? (I only caught the last minute or two; he seemed at least cognizant of the questions.)
Re: her certainty that she was ready to be President. Scary. I would have shown some humility and in her case said I might pray over it that God would give me the strength and wisdom to lead this nation, if called to succeed McCain. Her answer was not honest. Anyone with her lack of “a big, fat resume” (a she stupidly called it) would have second thoughts about whether or not she would be ready.
tomorrow night’s news should be dominated by Ike
She is ready. She has been a small town mayor. Are you disrespecting small town mayors?
LOL over at Kos her interview is referred to as a moose caught in headlights
In 10 years Sarah Palin will be one of the subjects on a TV show that asks the question “Where are they now?”
Blow up the Constitution, blow up the planet — if Revalations tells me to, why not?
(in the meantime, I gotta find a PR firm to help pitch burning witches)
We (don’t) like Ike.
sure. and I’ll make crepes – French Ambassorship here I come – yee haw !!!
Greatest. Comment. Ever.
on Glenzilla’s thread:
What we see is totally different from what the American Idol crowd sees. I’ll force myself to watch it—just for you because we’re friends—but what we’ve learned from Lakoff should remind us that the rethug base will only see what they want to see and what fits their frame no matter what Palin says. To them she’s a capable woman/mother/hunter/barracuda and that’s enough for them.
OH DAMN, Obama is yet again praising McLame and talking about what a hero he is right now. The guy just doesn’t get it.
I did not hear most of McSame’s dialogue at the Nation of Service forum. Did he say essentially the same things Obama is now saying, or have there been important differences?
Nope: that channel don’t tickle the rabbit ears here.
Love your question, though.
What (if any) signs of brain problems did folks see during McCain’s performance?
Thetrouble with the French is that they don’t have a word for crepes.
Deb, this reflects where I am, too. I’m gonna have an ulcer soon over the idea that she’s qualified for the job she’s got, much less the one she wants, so I haven’t watched it either. I appreciate Scarecrow doing the watching for us.
BTW, RevDeb, I’m a Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) P.K. I don’t even recognize right-wing Christianity as being related to that which I believe. I appreciate seeing the progressive religious viewpoint you and Peterr and others offer here–thanks.
In what I practice (religion life style) it reflects better on you as a person (karma) to not speak ill of others. Besides we all know who and what McCain is…Obama deosn’t need to say it
God I hope the American people can see what an inappropriate choice she is.
LOL, thanks!
This and the religious stuff is strictly for the 28%ers. The neocons want to go to war with anybody and the fundies want us all to live like it’s the 12th century.
Hi, Scarecrow! That was my silly non-direct way to say “GREAT post” — as always. I am in awe of the big-brained people here who hit it, again and again every day. Their hearts are even bigger, and I love you all.
(((((Scarecrow))))
Apparently his “post-partisan” fetish matters more to him than winning the November election.
Jeebus, if all he wanted to do was strut his fetish, he coulda just made plans to run in the Folsom Street Fair this fall and left the Dem race open for a candidate who actually wants to win.
what are you trying to diagnose/rule out?
ok. I make a purdy good enchiladas suiza and will settle for assignment in Mexico :D
ps – latest updates show our family and the Central Texas firedog regulars will be dodging ol Ike. lots of rain and wind saturday however.
Advocating war with Russia and Iran… how very McCainishly interventionist. How close can she get to McCain’s conquer-the-worldview without alienating her libertarian fan club?
maybe she should’ve asked him to use it in a sentence? buy a vowel?
Obama is really impressive tonight.
i am still moving in with friends for sat nite
schools here close at 2 tomorrow. you too?
LOL just saw this over at TPM from one of their posts:
LOL someone has to photoshop Sarah Palin with McInsane on a leash.
Sadly, McCain shows indications of significant cognitive impairment. The list above describes various manifestations of cognitive impairment.
Since McCain’s father and grandfather dropped dead at age 70 and 61 respectively, Sarah Palin could be President of the United States as early as January 21st, 2009. Whether that is enough to scare the rest of the nation to death, we’ll have to wait until November.
Hope all the pups in Ike’s way stay safe!! Sending positive energy and light your way
Fred Clarkson has a book coming out, Dispatches from the Religious Left. Pre-orders are being taken. Pastordan has a write up. The good news is that it doesn’t include the usual suspects who are somewhat liberal compared to the reichwing but have become more celebrities than real voices for liberal religion. He sent me a .pdf of it which I don’t have time to read right now, but the bits I’ve scanned look good.
I’ve a number of DoC friends scattered around the country, though not where I live now, no sign of any in the area. Good people.
Anybody want to post scorecards for McCain and Obama on this public service thing?
I’ve heard that if you whisper “darkblack” to yourself three times whilst chugging a cold cerveza, your wish will be granted within three days…
darkblack?
as usual, Digby nails it.
kids getting out 2 hours early tomorrow. Friday night game was moved to tonight (Go Hippos!)
think you are doing the right thing, glad you will be safe.
Thanks. Most of us have normal-sized brains, although we do have one very smart Canadian.
Does anybody know if Keith or Rachel have shows tonight?
I don’t agree that she contemplates going to war with Russia as an acceptable option. She said yes in response to the notion that NATO members are obligated to go to war in support of another member that is attacked. She didn’t say she would fulfill that obligation, I took her answers to mean she wouldn’t. What she explicitly contemplated was imposing economic sanctions. ABC is hyping her answer beyond what she actually said. Now, the position she advocates, letting Georgia and Ukraine into NATO, carries its own serious problems. One is that we would let in states as members when we knew there was no way we were going to fulfill our obligations to them. Another is that I think it makes an attack on Ukraine or Georgia more likely, not less, by scaring Russia. Her position is foolish and dangerous, but not as foolish and dangerous as everybody thinks.
Her response to the Bush Doctrine question was awful. I do think that she disagrees with the Bush Doctrine, even if she doesn’t know what it was. She said we had the right to response to an imminent threat, which I agree with. The Bush Doctrine goes way beyond that, and a charitable way to look at it is that she just didn’t believe the Bush Doctrine because it’s so crazy.
But her answer wasn’t calculated to contemplate or answer the question, it was just to project strength and resolve, and she did that by saying a lot of what she thought of as “strength” words. You don’t project strength by trying to project strength, you project strength by being strong and then just going about your business. Another extremely worrying aspect of her answer is that she totally buys into the wingnut idea that what’s important is not what you do, but the strength of your will and resolve. Get into a war that damages your country? Fine. Get out of it? No, because getting out of it shows a lack of resolve. That’s really scary.
She’s really godawful, but I feel the war with Russia knock on her isn’t quite fair. Her answer wasn’t war with Russia, it was entering into an agreement knowing there was no way we were going to live up to it.
I wonder what happens to the minds of McCain-Palin supporters if you ask them whether they want either one as the mayor of their own city, the governor of their own state, their own member of Congress. It ought to (but probably won’t) make them stop for a closer look at what they’d be getting.
Rachel next, no KO.
Oh, so she wants to destroy the foundation of NATO to win the election?
Thanks, I feel much better about her as a national leader now.
the Bush Doctrine gaffe (ok, crash) is indicative of so much about this cabal
they are CARELESS. That was their shield, their effing Standard, but now not important enough for any of the neo-con prep team to check on, just tossed in the dustbin like yesterday’s Election posters ???
also of course indicates they had SO MUCH to cover with her . . .just the bold sh*, talking points, just the sizzle, no steak
Charlie, and that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years as the governor of this state
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a year and 1/2 to be EXACT……………oy
I just don’t understand these right-wingers: why does their Presidential candidate have to cater to his base?
He’s taking tons of heat from everywhere for the sake of appeasing all those Young-Earth Creationists?
Barack Obama has the courage to nominate a stalwart establishment Centrist to his Campaign for Change – a man who was presciently in favor of conquering Iraq since 1998 – Joe Biden – who has been teaching Americans personal responsibility for so long with his advocacy of mandatory minimum sentences and his tireless efforts to pass the recent Bankrupty Reform Bill – a kindly, avuncular trans-partisan Attack Dog who knows how to stay in the yard, like when he says of John McCain:
“”But he’s a great guy,” Biden said, “and if John called me today and said ‘Joe -,’ like when they went after John McCain, when Bush went after him in South Carolina with the scurrilous comments they made about his character, I called him and said, ‘John, where do you want me? I’m an Al Gore man but where do you want me? I will show up anywhere in America to testify to the kind of man you are.’ And he is a good man, he is a good man.“
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..e-n-4.html
Obama’s choice may have caused a few extreme, unSerious, far-left whackos to grumble and piffle amongst themselves, but they know they are under the utmost moral obligation to vote for the Democratic Ticket – because moderate, centrist Supreme Court nominations are at stake! – so there is no possible downside to burnishing his Seriousness credentials with the Senator from MBNA. Plus, AIPAC likes and trusts Biden, alot.
Which is why it is so bewildering to see a major party candidate cater to his base – thats not how we do it over here!
i barely walk. the idea of being here alone and having the windows break is more than a bit frightening.
I was about 11 when I asked my dad once what the big round concrete things (water or sewer pipe sections) were that were stacked by the road. He told me they were parts of bomb shelters. Seemed logical to me at the time.
Thanks for the tip–I’ll look for it.
Yeah, DoC are few and far between on the East Coast. More of us in the midwest and south, and not all as liberal as the ones you know, I expect. Best to you in your ministry.
{{{{{Tex}}}}}}
Has this interview aired? Where the hell was I?
But her answer wasn’t calculated to contemplate or answer the question, it was just to project strength and resolve, and she did that by saying a lot of what she thought of as “strength” words. You don’t project strength by trying to project strength, you project strength by being strong and then just going about your business. Another extremely worrying aspect of her answer is that she totally buys into the wingnut idea that what’s important is not what you do, but the strength of your will and resolve. Get into a war that damages your country? Fine. Get out of it? No, because getting out of it shows a lack of resolve. That’s really scary.
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because for them there are NO consequences…JUST GODs will
Roger Ebert, of all people, has penned a pretty succinct thumbs down review of Palin.
Raven, if you’re around, did you know Ebert was originally from Urbana?
First segment was on the ABC news earlier. They’re planning to release it piece by piece over the next day. At least the part that has been aired should be available at the ABC News website.
try here http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
I lived there too! Different times from both Raven and Ebert.
Late gettin’ here, we heard on the car radio the interview, and props to Charlie Gibson–he so outclassed Sarah Palin with his poised and intelligent questions. Especially her pathetic attempt to get him to tell her what the Bush Doctrine is.
She is so far out of her league its scary. Scary that McCainiac would pick her.
Wonder how her fundie base liked hearing her weasel about her quote in the church. Same as Abraham Lincoln, bull pucky.
Back to read your comments now.
Rachel is on now!
ABC evening news. Will be spread over two or three nights. tonight was the first part.
I’m still there, small world ain’t it?
When is the hurricane supposed to make landfall TB? Think I read you had plans to skedaddle. Hope that you find everything is where you left it upon your return.
Scarecrow,
I watched the video and I stick to what I said above. This is not a game changer interview. Even if the press does its job and dissects her answers—not very likely—she’s still going to win the American Idol vote. It isn’t rational, it never was. She’s going to have to do or say something that breaks through the irrational brain structure and offends them in some way. Will McLame’s handlers let her near enough to a camera without a script for that to happen? Who knows. Will McLame totally fall on his face in public? It’s possible. Has the press gotten a clue yet that he’s been playing them for years and will they wake up and even report that he’s constantly falling on his face? Time will tell.
Do they really want to release any more segments? Tonight was scary enough!
I was pleasantly surprised by Gibson. Her complete inability to describe the Bush Doctrine was indeed revealing.
Well, you should feel better. Not good, but better. “Better” can mean “slightly less horrible.” Destroying the foundation of NATO would be better than getting into a war with Russia. I’m not saying she’s good, I’m not saying she’s not horrible. I’m making the extremely narrow point that I don’t think she contemplates war with Russia.
Don’t tell me her position (as I see it) is crazy, don’t tell me it would ruin our standing in the world more than it is already ruined. I know that.
Oops: intended my comment to diss Palin. What I wrote appears to also diss the commenter.
My mistake, Carl: I apologize.
I was there when Raven was. I do remember hearing that Ebert was from there but he was gone by then. Ah yes, the corn field and peace march days where the TKE frat rats joined the natl; guard in beating up on the peaceniks. Memories.
Not to mention the nasty edge to her voice and the little sneer on her face when she tried to get the interviewer to tell her what it was.
It’s changed a bit since then. Less of the really bad things and much less of the really good things.
“Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.”
Her claiming that her quote about the righteousness of the war in Iraq was taken from Abraham Lincoln was an abomination. Talk about “historical revisionism”…
Someone should remind this lady that Lincoln climbed to national office because he OPPOSED the idea that invading Mexico was part of our “manifest destiny”.
And he said this about the events that led up to the Civil War in his second Inaugural Address.
“Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully.
The Almighty has His own purposes. “Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.” If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?
Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”
Lincoln clearly did not believe that God actually told people that their wars were righteous. He felt that wars were the result of very human miscalculations and avarice. The human duty to God was to work toward peace, to have charity towards ones enemies, and to comfort the widows and orphans and veterans.
I didn’t take your comment as dissing me. I did take you as arguing somewhat with my view that her position as I see it is better than the position I think has been falsely attributed to her. I think that would be a legitimate argument, but as I noted in my other post in reply to you, I disagree with it (although the improvement represented by what I see as her real view is slight).
landfall late tomorrow night. we’re almost 200 miles from the coast but subject to rain, wind and tornadoes
I don’t think it’s unfair to point out an overly simplistic answer or the unqualified logic of what she said.
It is true that historically, the NATO treaty requires mutual support in the even of attack. So the question of NATO membership for Georgia has to be understood in that light. When asked about whether Georgia should be a member, it’s first necessary under the NATO rules that all territorial disputes be resolved, so that other member nations are not drawn into such disputes. That would have been the case here. The US doesn’t recognize the independence of the break away provinces, but that view is not consistent with either the views of those inhabitants or the realities on the ground. So the underlying question, which she didn’t seem to grasp or acknowledge, is should the US go to war over a war between Russia and Georgia over the independence of those provinces. NATO doesn’t require that.
That’s the easy part. The more difficult issue is: what are the conditions under which Georgia’s membership in NATO would be acceptable? And I think the answer is, given the proximity of Russia and Georgia’s history with them, we should approach that membership possibility with great caution, because getting Georgia into NATO merely to create the conditions for likely war is irresponsible. All that was lurking in that question, and her simplistic answer indicates she hasn’t gotten past the rudimentary briefings by Scheunemann, whose own view are not exactly the model for statesmanship.
When I was there Dan Fogelberg was the campus folk singer. Used to play at the Red Herring all the time. REO Speedwagon used to play regularly at some dive in Champaign, the name escapes me.
i left in 1990
She handled it about as deftly as a person could who under no circumstance could simply admit that she did not know.
Personally, I’d prefer leaders who can admit when they don’t know something and set about remedying that situation.
((TexBetsy))
Didn’t see you earlier. Hope your feeling better
That’s fairly recent then.
I was looking at the storm surge predictor at your web page. Guess you don’t have to worry about that aspect, best wishes in regard to the other factors.
Hearing, rather than seeing, the interview, my take was that Gibson knew exactly what she was trying, thinking she was so cleverly going to get him to tell her what the Bush Doctrine is…but he was two chess moves ahead.
And I do think it would give the zealous evangelicals pause to see her back off the plan of God assertiveness of the church quote for politicization in the interview.
I do differ with comments I’ve read so far, in that I don’t think tonight’s interview was primarily about strength, that’s already CW in the marketplace. Tonight was about readiness on day one. And on that she fell absolutely flat on her face.
But the question will be whether the McCainiac spinners successfully bully the media into believing what they’re lickin’ off their fingers is BBQ sauce instead of BS.
I was the youngest or our brood and missed out on those guys, not so much my musical preference anyway. My older brother was much more involved in the local music scene… there is barely any today.
Ruby Gulch was one of the bars that had live music. REO more likely played some place like Panama Reds.
i like your take on the interview. it will be interesting to see the resulting spin coming fromthe mccain campaign (ok I also liked the last line)
I think with repetition the bullying has become less effective but it still works. They might not buff that turd until it shines like gold but they’ll still cast it in a better light than it deserves.
He should answer for the contempt he has shown the American people for inflicting this vapid person,who on issues that are of vital importance is clearly out of her depth, and at the very same time she is a rabid person on issues that the vast majority of people consider out of the government purview.
McSame is running a dishonorable campaign that insults the intelligence of the American people.
Contemptible and shameful
Did no one mention r.e.s.p.e.c.t or deference? Why, Charlie was just dissin’ her. That ’splains it all.
neither of those names are familiar. Let me see if the google can dig that far back. . .
oh Council of Moderators perhaps you could clarify That Which Must Not Be Spoken on your razzle-dazzle, free exchange of (accepted) ideas forums?
was it:
…by nominating Palin as running mate, the subject of the post at FDL. she has “ability to excite the religious right wing”, your own sentiments from the frontpage.
maybe its the “why does their Presidential candidate have to cater to his base?” that is unspeakable, unthinkable?
it would seem the phrase “I just don’t understand these right-wingers” is humble and common around here, but maybe you banned it as hate speech.
> No one under 50 remembers the Cold War and the actual fear of nuclear holocaust.
I’m under 50 (not by much) and I remember (though only know of the daisy ad because I saw it many years later).
McCain talks to Americans as if we are all children. By comparison, Obama speaks to voters as if they are adults. I hope it works, if it does we might actually see other candidates try it in the future.
I was one-year-old during the Cuban Missile Crisis and filled my breeches.
a dishonorable discharge of bs, lies and distortion
phrase 2 from my banned, censored pot:
“He’s taking tons of heat from everywhere for the sake of appeasing all those Young-Earth Creationists?”
He’s taking heat from here, obviously, so again on topic.
there is lots of discussion as to whether Palin held Young-Earth Creationist views herself, – did Charlie Gibson ask her about it?
http://www.google.com/search?h…..1&oq=
so, wise mods, was phrase 2 what got me banned?
My sentiments exactly, both as to the not watching and as to feeling this is all like American Idol. It’s really, really sickening, and completely frightening.
Bahahaha!!!
BTW, Mods, or whoever: I can’t get the “show text” to work (i.e., if I click on it, nothing happens). Don’t know if this is happening to others, so I just keep cutting & pasting.
Doesn’t work for me in Firefox.
I think everybody has probably moseyed upstairs.
ah, released from Limbo, thank you Bishops!
I was about to examine my third paragraph – a grammatical wreck!
was it lack of linkage substantiating my assertions? see the links to major mainstream news sources in: http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner09062008.html
was it my calling Biden a stalwart establishment Centrist? thats not libelous now, is it? Can’t be too careful nowadays, though, running a major Democratic Party forum like FDL – this guy might be the next Dick Cheney, who avenges all slights.
So maybe that was the trouble – I should have called Biden a Paradigmatic Progressive Politician, whou is very Proud of his Pronouncements!
So…ONE interview in two weeks. No wonder the McCain camp is “hiding” her. This is unacceptable. Demand Palin speak to diverse media outlets.
Please sign, forward & post this petition. We have nearly 2500 signatures so far, but want far more. Help show our collective voice!
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probably unrelated
;~P
He justifies it because Obama turned down his forum ploy.
Hi Scarecrow et al…getting caught up after an evening of music. Thanks for posting the video. To quote Elvis Costello, “I used to be disgusted, by now I try to be amused.” After viewing that clip, I’m a little bit of each. Gibson came off as a class act, and Caribou Barbie left me slack-jawed. I do hope you are right about dashing the chances of mcwhatsisname.
“Doct’rin’?” I din’t know Presdit Bush was a doctor too! Dang.”
Should read “…BUT now I try to be amused.”
julia is a few flights up
Oh, I’m using Firefox too. (Although it worked with my prior version of Firefox.)
Am I going to have to utilize the browser version of the Great Orange Satan [IE] in order to get that feature to work, or has someone figured out a fix?
Maybe going to war with Russia. Will someone in the press follow that up with if she’s willing to raise taxes on Americans to support that. Or perhaps an even better follow up would be to ask Mrs. Palin if she knew just how many Russian long range missiles with nuclear warheads are or could be aimed at Alaska on a moment’s notice.
After viewing the Palin interview (screeeech) I see that all this talk about lipstick on a pig was misplaced. Now the whole country should understand that what McCain has been trying to sell Americans was just a ‘Pig in a Poke’!
Hopefully that ‘cat is out of the bag’ for good.
OMG she is another Bush, she says NukUlar.
And in case you guys haven’t noticed they are selling her the same way. She’s an everyone, the kind of person who clears brush and hunts moose. The kind of person you’d like to have a beer with.
We all saw how well that turned out last time!
She came across to me as someone that has not been that interested in national affairs. Almost any half-hearted political junkie I know could have given better answers. She was simplistic and often not particularly linear with her answers. She sounded like a soccer (hockey) mom.
Let’s face it. No one is ready to be President the day they get the job. No one can be, but a person should exhibit the kind of aptitude and have had enough interest in the affairs of the country to know what the Bush Doctrine is. I knew – Can I be VP? Hell, my girlfriend knew and she’s not a political junkie at all.
As far as her speaking ability goes, it’s now clear that she DELIVERS a written speech well, but that she does not speak well. She’s reasonably quick on her feet, but horribly lacking in mental real estate to draw upon. I’m not saying she’s dumb, I’m saying she just doesn’t know very much. It’s the same sort of lack of interest Bush has always shown, but even more obvious here, and she’s not as crafty at covering it as Bush is.
No amount of prep is going to get her ready. Again, she’s not dumb (not brilliant either), but she is small minded. Her world view is limited, and thus her perspective is always going to come across as simplistic. They can’t dump data in her fast enough to overcome that. They’re going to have to hide her from the press and hope the personality cult holds. Honestly, Bush interviews better, and I think we’re going to see that Bush debates better as well. I don’t see any way she survives the debates without becoming a net liability.
Outside of her ideology, and provided she eventually became curious about a world outside of Alaska, she might one day have made a credible VP pick. I think the GOP did this woman a disservice by selecting her. They’ve likely ended what might have been a long political career, but then again they are in the business of eating souls.
The Palin bounce is on the down trajectory, not a damn thing the GOP can do about it.
“The woman doesn’t even know enough to know she doesn’t know enough.”
– Scarecrow
Word!
If only she had added something, some little thing that was interesting and relevant.
It’s close which means if you blow them up they can blow us up.
It’s big which means if you mess with them they can blow us up.
It’s a neighbor which means we should have good relations with them.
There are soooo many things she could have said. But no.
When George W. Bush was campaigning in 2000 he argued for pulling back from our many bases around the world.
What I fear, and it’s much more obvious with Palin, is that it doesn’t really matter what policy she says she would follow. If you’re a stealth candidate, then the only really important thing is to get into office. After that the restraints are off and you do what your God has in mind for you — be that what you told people or not. And, in this case, her previous public utterances and positions seem a lot scarier (to most of us) than anything Bush ever espoused.
The unknown can be scary, but liars are pretty bad too.
The Democrats should never have made the overt supporting statements about Georgia and even worse their support to join NATO. This is the kind of crap that undercuts any claim to being different from the McCain camp. Angela Merkel can support the NATO Georgia/Ukraine business publicly because at the end of the day it is not going to occur until such time as convenient, if ever, for all concerned including Putin. But she is not running for office and she only needs to support Bush for another few weeks. The Democrats on the other hand keep getting their foreign policy positions wrong and because of they can not now be critical of the Republican take on the issue. Standing firm and taking rigid positions is the first thing not to do in foreign policy. If you have apparently the same policy as your domestic political opponent, don’t commit to it publicly and leave your options open. It’s a good thing foreign policy is not the burning issue in this election.
Thanks so much Scarecrow for your thoughts of the Palin interview! I didn’t get the chance to watch it last night, but from what I’m reading and witnessing on the television, the Sarah Palin balloon popped last night.
As you said, it’s an insult to voters of this country (Democrat or republic) to have this woman on ANY ticket! It’s also insulting to the very many smart, intelligent, and great women of our nation. Sarah Palin does not represent sane women, but does represent the women in the base of the republic party who have no depth and go through life pointing fingers of blame everywhere but at themselves.
Sarah Palin is an embarrassment on so many levels. Wow.
I listened to the interview this morning and had the same thought. Charlie kept trying to tell her that running this nation is a complicated process and proximity and hubris won’t cut it.
As a woman Palin’s nomination is insulting on so many levels. If I have to have a female Republican Vice-President at least let it be someone who has international experience. Saying that other Vice-Presidents haven’t met any world leaders is not an excuse in this age of global interactions and leadership. You would have to go back 60-70 years to find one who didn’t have that experience. However, what this really shows is that McCain’s judgment lacks a realistic view of Country First.
The selection of Sarah Palin as VP, should automatically and instantly disqualify McCain as a candidate for president of the U.S. or any other public office. It is not only a manifestation of poor and perilous judgment but a show of utter contempt for the U.S. electorate.
Sarah Palin’s interview: her stunning ignorance could not be scarier.
However, it was a good night for the Democrats. First, Sarah Paulin completely clueless during the ABC interview. Gibson’s body language and demeanor throughout was one of disbelief. And she can’t pronounce nuclear either. Next McCain spewing bromides at the service forum. All followed by another eloquent, articulate, thoughtful, informed, layered performance by Barack Obama at his alma mater, Columbia University.
America, please wake up!