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		<title>By: dhal9000</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/11/palin-nuclear-war-with-russia-a-go/#comment-1627586</link>
		<dc:creator>dhal9000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if Palin’s readiness to go to war with Russia is related to her belief that we are ling in “the End Times”. Tired if waiting for the rapture? Just give Jesus a jump start by triggering Armageddon!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Palin’s readiness to go to war with Russia is related to her belief that we are ling in “the End Times”. Tired if waiting for the rapture? Just give Jesus a jump start by triggering Armageddon!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe we need to put her in a theater line up all those terminator, mad max and end of the world due to nuclear war&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can imagine her on a stage in a lineup with The Terminator and various other ugly mugs. See her over on the right waving and smiling. She doesn’t look dangerous at all. But but she’s got this little square box with a big red button on top. Don’t mess with sister Sarah. She’s one seriously whacked out ideological trip and she isn’t afraid of the Apocalypse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe we need to put her in a theater line up all those terminator, mad max and end of the world due to nuclear war</p>
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<p>I can imagine her on a stage in a lineup with The Terminator and various other ugly mugs. See her over on the right waving and smiling. She doesn’t look dangerous at all. But but she’s got this little square box with a big red button on top. Don’t mess with sister Sarah. She’s one seriously whacked out ideological trip and she isn’t afraid of the Apocalypse.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/11/palin-nuclear-war-with-russia-a-go/#comment-1626704</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I answered [McCain]’yes’ because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can’t blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we’re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can’t blink.” — Palin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Without a nuclear war, Palin can’t realize her dream for Alaska to be one of the refuge states. Apocalypse Now!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why I would want to ask her specifically what “war” she wants “victory in” and what “the mission that we’re on” might be. There’s no time for vagueness with someone like that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I answered [McCain]’yes’ because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can’t blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we’re on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can’t blink.” — Palin</p>
<blockquote><p>Without a nuclear war, Palin can’t realize her dream for Alaska to be one of the refuge states. Apocalypse Now!</p>
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<p>This is why I would want to ask her specifically what “war” she wants “victory in” and what “the mission that we’re on” might be. There’s no time for vagueness with someone like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only people who preface their comments with their progressive/liberal credentials generally aren’t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only people who preface their comments with their progressive/liberal credentials generally aren’t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/11/palin-nuclear-war-with-russia-a-go/#comment-1626574</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) she favors letting the Ukraine and Georgia into NATO&lt;br /&gt;
2) she would go to war with Russia if they were in NATO and were invaded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This does not misrepresent what she said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From there the rest of the sequence of events is pretty clear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if you think Poland is the same as Georgia, that’s a whole other matter, which shows a great deal of ignorance of both history and geography.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since I explicitly make the point that the Ukraine and Georgia should not be allowed into NATO, what I’m saying is even clearer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It takes a fair bit of work to misrepresent it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only correct response for a Palin apologist is to say “Biden and Obama want to let Georgia and the Ukraine is as well”, which is more or less true (they want an action plan, arguably they wouldn’t be let in under an action plan because they have territorial disputes outstanding.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said:</p>
<p>1) she favors letting the Ukraine and Georgia into NATO<br />
2) she would go to war with Russia if they were in NATO and were invaded.</p>
<p>This does not misrepresent what she said.</p>
<p>From there the rest of the sequence of events is pretty clear.</p>
<p>Now, if you think Poland is the same as Georgia, that’s a whole other matter, which shows a great deal of ignorance of both history and geography.</p>
<p>Since I explicitly make the point that the Ukraine and Georgia should not be allowed into NATO, what I’m saying is even clearer.</p>
<p>It takes a fair bit of work to misrepresent it.</p>
<p>The only correct response for a Palin apologist is to say “Biden and Obama want to let Georgia and the Ukraine is as well”, which is more or less true (they want an action plan, arguably they wouldn’t be let in under an action plan because they have territorial disputes outstanding.)</p>
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		<title>By: aptly</title>
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		<dc:creator>aptly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been a progressive since I can remember, but this commentary is amazing. She made a statement that is exactly the position an Obama administration would take, and yet “she must never be allowed to take the oath of office”. You should take the time to read OBAMA’s position on Israel: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#onisrael.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.barackobama.com/iss.....#onisrael.&lt;/a&gt; Because of their shared positions, does that mean HE should not be allowed to take the oath? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Furthermore:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In fact, The Washington correspondent of the Israeli daily Haaretz reported on June 15 that the new Winep task force initiative was supported by &lt;strong&gt;Tony Lake and Susan Rice of the Obama campaign&lt;/strong&gt;, and Vin Weber and James Woolsey of the McCain camp. He summed it up as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If you want it in a journalistic headline format, here is one way to do it: Obama, McCain advisors agree: US-Israel should discuss preventive military action against Iran.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, we would all benefit by either McCain or Obama adopting the current US policy on Isreal over the summer - which is to deny them arms to use in an attack against Iran:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From Haaretz:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The security aid package the United States has refused to give Israel for the past few months out of concern that Israel would use it to attack nuclear facilities in Iran included a large number of “bunker-buster” bombs, permission to use an air corridor to Iran, an advanced technological system and refueling planes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Officials from both countries have been discussing the Israeli requests over the past few months. Their rejection would make it very difficult for Israel to attack Iran, if such a decision is made.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;About a month ago, Haaretz reported that the Bush administration had turned down an Israeli request for certain security items that could upgrade Israel’s capability to attack Iran. The U.S. administration reportedly saw the request as a sign preparations were moving ahead for an Israeli attack on Iran. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What she says at church has little to do with actual foreign policy decisions - it’s just as ridiculous as Obama being paralleled to his pastors fringe views.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a progressive since I can remember, but this commentary is amazing. She made a statement that is exactly the position an Obama administration would take, and yet “she must never be allowed to take the oath of office”. You should take the time to read OBAMA’s position on Israel: <a href="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#onisrael." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.barackobama.com/iss.....#onisrael" rel="nofollow">http://www.barackobama.com/iss&#8230;..#onisrael</a>. Because of their shared positions, does that mean HE should not be allowed to take the oath? </p>
<p>Furthermore:</p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, The Washington correspondent of the Israeli daily Haaretz reported on June 15 that the new Winep task force initiative was supported by <strong>Tony Lake and Susan Rice of the Obama campaign</strong>, and Vin Weber and James Woolsey of the McCain camp. He summed it up as follows:</p>
<p>“If you want it in a journalistic headline format, here is one way to do it: Obama, McCain advisors agree: US-Israel should discuss preventive military action against Iran.”</p>
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<p>Actually, we would all benefit by either McCain or Obama adopting the current US policy on Isreal over the summer &#8211; which is to deny them arms to use in an attack against Iran:</p>
<p>From Haaretz:</p>
<blockquote><p>The security aid package the United States has refused to give Israel for the past few months out of concern that Israel would use it to attack nuclear facilities in Iran included a large number of “bunker-buster” bombs, permission to use an air corridor to Iran, an advanced technological system and refueling planes.</p>
<p>Officials from both countries have been discussing the Israeli requests over the past few months. Their rejection would make it very difficult for Israel to attack Iran, if such a decision is made.</p>
<p>About a month ago, Haaretz reported that the Bush administration had turned down an Israeli request for certain security items that could upgrade Israel’s capability to attack Iran. The U.S. administration reportedly saw the request as a sign preparations were moving ahead for an Israeli attack on Iran. </p>
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<p>What she says at church has little to do with actual foreign policy decisions &#8211; it’s just as ridiculous as Obama being paralleled to his pastors fringe views.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Problem is aptly…Poland and Georgia are utterly different. Poland doesn’t have large populations of Russian citizens within its borders. Poland has been an ethnically and historically distinct STATE for centuries. It was never part of the USSR nor Russia. Ossetia and Abkhazia…and Georgia itself have an entirely different historical attachment with Russia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Poland hasn’t said it was going to “retake” an area that is “historically Polish” that is currently occupied by Russians. And Georgia is not part of NATO…and I suspect that any effort to extend NATO to include Georgia might lead to serious repercussions from the other members of the alliance. They don’t want to be dragged into war with Russia to satisfy Sarah Palin’s “manifest destiny” dreams.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is aptly…Poland and Georgia are utterly different. Poland doesn’t have large populations of Russian citizens within its borders. Poland has been an ethnically and historically distinct STATE for centuries. It was never part of the USSR nor Russia. Ossetia and Abkhazia…and Georgia itself have an entirely different historical attachment with Russia.</p>
<p>  Poland hasn’t said it was going to “retake” an area that is “historically Polish” that is currently occupied by Russians. And Georgia is not part of NATO…and I suspect that any effort to extend NATO to include Georgia might lead to serious repercussions from the other members of the alliance. They don’t want to be dragged into war with Russia to satisfy Sarah Palin’s “manifest destiny” dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/11/palin-nuclear-war-with-russia-a-go/#comment-1626434</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 01:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Palin first lies about her statement before her church (”Is that a direct quote?” implying it isn’t)…then she lies about what Lincoln said!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This woman (and her McCain-esque handlers) are dispicable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is what Lincoln ACTUALLY said! It’s utterly the opposite from what Palin said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union &lt;strong&gt;without war&lt;/strong&gt;, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Palin: “Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that IS FROM GOD.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lincoln saw that human miscalculations and the failure to undertake efforts on both sides to ameliorate the conditions that led to war…created a maelstrom of consequences that neither side expected. And yet here is Palin, actually working to create circumstances that will lead us inexorably toward a nuclear confrontation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin first lies about her statement before her church (”Is that a direct quote?” implying it isn’t)…then she lies about what Lincoln said!</p>
<p>This woman (and her McCain-esque handlers) are dispicable.</p>
<p>Here is what Lincoln ACTUALLY said! It’s utterly the opposite from what Palin said.</p>
<blockquote><p> On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union <strong>without war</strong>, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.	</p>
<p>  One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding.</p>
<p> Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. </p>
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<p>Palin: “Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that IS FROM GOD.”</p>
<p>Lincoln saw that human miscalculations and the failure to undertake efforts on both sides to ameliorate the conditions that led to war…created a maelstrom of consequences that neither side expected. And yet here is Palin, actually working to create circumstances that will lead us inexorably toward a nuclear confrontation.</p>
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		<title>By: LKN2</title>
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		<dc:creator>LKN2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Palin also stated that if Israel decides to start a war with Iran, the U.S. should cooperate.  So the right to declare war would rest with Israel, instead of Congress under a Palin administration? That is putting support of Israel ABOVE support of our country and our Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This woman was AWOL when it came to studying the Constitution, because that is blatantly unconstitutional.  She must never be allowed to take the oath of office.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin also stated that if Israel decides to start a war with Iran, the U.S. should cooperate.  So the right to declare war would rest with Israel, instead of Congress under a Palin administration? That is putting support of Israel ABOVE support of our country and our Constitution.</p>
<p>This woman was AWOL when it came to studying the Constitution, because that is blatantly unconstitutional.  She must never be allowed to take the oath of office.</p>
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		<title>By: aptly</title>
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		<dc:creator>aptly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Totally agree with this comment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with this comment.</p>
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