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	<title>Comments on: Duty, Honor, Country &#8212; and Undermining the Chain of Command</title>
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		<title>By: john172sp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625487</link>
		<dc:creator>john172sp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jack Keane is in it for Jack Keane. His last overseas tour was in Vietnam as a lieutenant. Contrary to calling him into the Oval Office on January 20, 2009, he should be reminded that he’s retired, that he’ll never be seen in or near the defense department or any active duty officers nor communicate with them or he’ll be reduced in retirement rank to a colonel, and perhaps court martialed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Keane is in it for Jack Keane. His last overseas tour was in Vietnam as a lieutenant. Contrary to calling him into the Oval Office on January 20, 2009, he should be reminded that he’s retired, that he’ll never be seen in or near the defense department or any active duty officers nor communicate with them or he’ll be reduced in retirement rank to a colonel, and perhaps court martialed.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625447</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
    “When does AEI start trumping the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this stuff?” Schoomaker asked at the next chiefs’ meeting.
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&lt;p&gt;It wasn’t just most of us DFH’s who were screaming bloody murder, it was the Generals too. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush politicized everything and by politicized I mean he turned it into a profit center.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if Keane was working as a lobbyist for Halliburton or Blackwater. Heck, even Bush is probably in fact a lobbyist for them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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    “When does AEI start trumping the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this stuff?” Schoomaker asked at the next chiefs’ meeting.
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<p>It wasn’t just most of us DFH’s who were screaming bloody murder, it was the Generals too. </p>
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<p>Bush politicized everything and by politicized I mean he turned it into a profit center.</p>
<p>I wonder if Keane was working as a lobbyist for Halliburton or Blackwater. Heck, even Bush is probably in fact a lobbyist for them.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625198</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam: A Study of Military Influence and the Use of Force in the Post-Vietnam Era.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by David Howell Petraeus&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Vietnam cost the military dearly. It left America’s military leaders confounded, dismayed, and discouraged. Even worse, it devastated the armed forces, robbing them of dignity, money, and qualified people for a decade. . . . While the psychic scars of the war may be deepest among the Army and Marine Corps leadership, however, the senior leaders of all the services share a similar reaction to Vietnam. There is no desire among any of them to repeat the experience that provided the material for such descriptively titled books as: “Defeated: Inside America’s Military Machine”; “Self Destruction: the Disintegration and Decay of the United States Army During the Vietnam Era”; and “Crisis in Command: Mismanagement in the United States Army.” The simple essence of this feeling is that, in the words of then Colonel Dave Palmer, “there must be no more Vietnams.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011201955_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....55_pf.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam: A Study of Military Influence and the Use of Force in the Post-Vietnam Era.”</p>
<p>by David Howell Petraeus</p>
<blockquote><p>Vietnam cost the military dearly. It left America’s military leaders confounded, dismayed, and discouraged. Even worse, it devastated the armed forces, robbing them of dignity, money, and qualified people for a decade. . . . While the psychic scars of the war may be deepest among the Army and Marine Corps leadership, however, the senior leaders of all the services share a similar reaction to Vietnam. There is no desire among any of them to repeat the experience that provided the material for such descriptively titled books as: “Defeated: Inside America’s Military Machine”; “Self Destruction: the Disintegration and Decay of the United States Army During the Vietnam Era”; and “Crisis in Command: Mismanagement in the United States Army.” The simple essence of this feeling is that, in the words of then Colonel Dave Palmer, “there must be no more Vietnams.”</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/12/AR2007011201955_pf.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..55_pf.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625189</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This too. Absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This too. Absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625182</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope an Obama transition team, should we get there, will be deep in the ability to do that kind of ferreting out of social networks, which would certainly require the ability to go where we grunt-citizens can’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’d be the only way his administration, and maybe the nation, would survive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope an Obama transition team, should we get there, will be deep in the ability to do that kind of ferreting out of social networks, which would certainly require the ability to go where we grunt-citizens can’t.</p>
<p>It’d be the only way his administration, and maybe the nation, would survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625181</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice catch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Nice catch.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625175</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree with both of you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And anyone have a link handy of that report that Petraeus wrote opposing the  policy of sending additional troops into Vietnam? Something along those lines. There is one but I can’t remember the where I read originally. Going to look&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with both of you</p>
<p>And anyone have a link handy of that report that Petraeus wrote opposing the  policy of sending additional troops into Vietnam? Something along those lines. There is one but I can’t remember the where I read originally. Going to look</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625155</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I asked that very same question too, Bob… &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mainandcentral.org/archives/2008/09/i_feel_like_ner.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here…!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked that very same question too, Bob… <a href="http://www.mainandcentral.org/archives/2008/09/i_feel_like_ner.html" rel="nofollow">Here…!</a></p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625153</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you’re subconsciously thinking Petraeus the answer is: &lt;a href=&quot;http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/18186&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you’re subconsciously thinking Petraeus the answer is: <a href="http://sacramentofordemocracy.org/?q=node/view/18186" rel="nofollow">Yes</a></p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/duty-honor-country-and-the-chain-of-command/#comment-1625150</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not sure I agree, have meetings with all senior staff, a smoother transition needs to be accomplished. Maybe a month or two.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I agree, have meetings with all senior staff, a smoother transition needs to be accomplished. Maybe a month or two.</p>
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