The news that Congress will debate the merits of off-shore drilling within a broader energy package highlights how disconnected our political discourse has become from what really matters to energy policy. The fact is, both oil and gasoline prices have fallen dramatically in the last month and it has nothing to do with calls for drilling or any other supply side policy.
In only two months, oil prices have fallen nearly $40 per barrel, while US gasoline prices have fallen from well above $4.00/gallon to nearly $3.50/gallon in many areas. And yet not a single new off-shore well was permitted, drilled or began producing in that period.
Short of massive releases from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, there is no short-run supply-side approach under American control that can accomplish what just happened to oil and gasoline prices. Every supply-side approach will take years, probably a decade or more, to have any noticeable effect on supplies, let alone prices.
And that’s also true for non-oil supplies. For electricity supplies, it takes 6-8 years to permit and build a new coal plant, barring litigation and assuming no uncertainty about carbon limits; it will probably take 8 to 10 years to license and construct a nuclear facility (no new nuclear plant has not been licensed in the US for 30 years). Renewables take time too; for example, we can install lots of wind machines in a few years, but it will take more years to obtain the rights of way and construct the long distance transmission lines they need.
In the transportation sector, all the viable alternatives are a decade or more away, even if we knew today where to focus and had all the programs in place to encourage their development. There are simply no quick solutions of any significance on the supply side.
If you want economic solutions in the near term, they’re all on the demand side. And we’ve only begun to tap these energy "reserves."
[Update: There are arguments that much of the price movement is due to speculation.] But the driving public also forced gasoline prices down all by themselves, and they did it in quick fashion. They did it by reducing their demand for gasoline. They simply drove less; they took public transportation; they shared car pools and yes, they inflated their tires. And where they had a choice, they chose more fuel efficient vehicles and got rid of their gas guzzlers (or used them less).
Using less energy, using it wisely, using it efficiently — these are the quickest (and cheapest) ways to affect the demand/supply balance and keep costs under control. And the important thing is, demand-side actions are the things that Americans can do now, the things they can control themselves. They don’t have to wait for Congress to act nor rely on unaccountable corporations to save them, with or without tax-payer subsidies.
All the nonsense about how just talking about more drilling would reduce prices was just jibberish. It’s bad enough that the Republicans are fixated on their mindless "drill, baby, drill" mantra. It’s even more disappointing that neither the Democrats nor the media recognizes the lesson that consumers just taught them about what they can do when they have a strong incentive. On that point, even Tom Friedman is right about the need for a consistent price signal.
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I’m going to have a problem with this post since I read about the scandal in the Interior Dept., I can tell! Hi, Scarecrow!
oooh a Scarecrow specialty – inescapable logic – yummy !
Kinda put some interesting “perspective” as to why all those Repubs took off their summer to chant about drilling offshore everyday, doesn’t it….looks like some skeletons are in some closets…
Also, it is completely obvious to me that the rise in prices is due to “speculation”…and they are letting the speculators ease off slowly…
What a bunch of crooks.
Let’s get on with some real alternative energy solutions pronto. We don’t need new drilling fields offshore to do that.
Hi Scarecrow.
Your post reminds me of the great points Van Jones made at Netroots Nation about how as demand for solar power goes up, the price goes down (and jobs go up!) while for oil as demand goes up the price goes up.
What do you think of this report today that speculators were behind both the run up and rapid decline of oil prices?
Caw, caw Scarecrow! I’ve long thought that supply side always seems to fail to follow their ideology to its logical conclusion, because once they have greedily grabbed all of the funds and benes from the society, sucked them up like a big vacuum, there is nobody else left that can afford to buy whatever it is they’re selling!
now Ann, “a problem” over one Republic scandal ?!?!?
how about a matching pair ?
Big Orange
i’m curious to know why you think it was changes in our driving that brought gasoline prices down and not, at least in part, market manipulation?
Ten, count ‘em, at the Interior Dept. alone to be prosecuted. The whole way that the scheme worked is really something, too! Too many pockets to fill; so little time!
Hmmmm…that’s kinda treasonous..isn’t it????
snippet:
“And sakes alive! Who’d have guessed it’d be Slick Sarah Palin and the Alaskans selling it off? We’re all paying through the nose for our energy needs down here, Republicans are wetting themselves over the supposed need for more drilling, and Slick Sarah and her cronies are hawking their America’s wares to overseas bidders. Which, not coincidentally, has the effect of hiking the prices Reg’lar Hockey MomsTM pay to, say, heat the seats in their new boondoggle hockey rinks, and, it seems, boosting the dividend checks paid directly to… Alaskan families like Sarah Palin’s, who received $3200 per head this year. Wow! I haven’t seen a scam this blatant since yesterday, when we found out Slick Sarah was charging Alaska taxpayers $60 a day to sleep in and munch those mooseburgers in her own kitchen.
So they’re pumping up prices by selling off the gas they told you was ours to the Japanese, and then paying themselves bonuses when they do! (Plus extra for cheating you from home!)
Enough with the skimming already, you jerks!
What’s the difference between a Hockey MomTM and Enron?
Yeah, it turns out that’s lipstick too.”
Sure makes for some handy blackmailing….
I’m going to pass on that story, because I don’t fully understand how one distinguishes between excessive speculation with too much money driving up prices and “legitimate” speculation based on uncertainty about oil supply conditions — e.g., two-three months ago, some thought a war with Iran was nearing, but then there were Pentagon signals that it wasn’t gonna happen. Until I get a better handle on that, I’m a skeptic on the “speculators did it” argument, but others smarter than I think it’s probably right.
thanks for that link. do you happen to have a link to the original report from “Masters Capital Management and White Knight Research & Trading” – i’m googling for it now, but haven’t found it yet.
Wow. Washington really is one big sex, lies, videotape, drug, bribe club…Geesh.
He was a POW.
One really cool thing is that I’m noticing so much of the corruption bubbling up and landing in the sunlight, thanks to the toobz…
The Hardly-Christians and their “drill, drill, drill” mantra was one of many trial balloons they floated to see what might fire up their Klanservative wingtard base. As it turns out, Chimpy in a skirt was finally what got ‘em going.
It’s really too bad that Sarahpoleon stinks to that high heaven she’s assured of a place in, isn’t it?
OT: This isn’t “energy” related corruption, but it was an interesting diary on Kos (that might have disappeared) about Heather Wilson/McCain/Abramoff…one for the future files if anyone is interested to add it to the heap of shizzola:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..747/593191
Uh Oh, McBush has problems when he doesn’t have a skirt to hide behind…
That’s what BT thinks
upstairs
I’ve added a link to that article. Here’s where I have problems: Let’s assume “speculators” can drive up prices by pooring money into a commodities forward market on the expectation that prices will continue to rise. Then they can drive prices down by massive selling, based on the expectation that prices will fall. But what’s driving the speculation? Lots of traders are taking a bath, because their expectations turned out to be wrong. So an explanation that “speculators” did it doesn’t tell me the whole story.
Is it possible that the demand response both here and abroad, affected speculators’ expectations of what prices would do?
Consumers have choices they can exercise today, not wait for new supplies (or speculators) to drive down prices. Driving less has two effects: it affects total demand that should impact prices, but more directly, it means you just spent less on fuel by not using it. Your costs go down, even if the price didn’t. So when Washington was focused on driving down prices, consumers were focused on driving down their costs, and they did.
Great minds and all…! ;-)
Yeah, I agree that the Iran risk of closing the Straits had to have played a role, also.
selise: I haven’t been able to find the full report, either. I suspect that you have to be a client of Mr. Masters to get the whole thing. I can’t even find a website for him. Now that’s exclusive! (He manages a hedge fund, and I guess if you have to look him up, you’re just not important or rich enough to join his game.)
and sewers
But that drilling was on-shore, from what I understand.
Seriously though, I’ve really felt proud at seeing how so many of us have simply adapted to the higher gas prices with so little fanfare.
I see more riders on transit here in MI now, including people in nice business dress during the day, and more bikers here and in Chicago, where new and used bikes have been flying off the racks in recent months; one of the few citizen-focussed programs that that city’s wet Mayor has promoted is the extension of bike paths along the main thoroughfares, and people are using them.
So many more people are using the Amtrak Chicago-Michigan routes that there’s almost no such thing as offpeak fares, even weeks in advance. It’s worth pointing out that McCain is a well-known and long-standing opponent of any federal connection to Amtrak. (From McCain’s own website; if results are blank, search “amtrak.” Also some commentary from D.Z. Jackson at the Globe here)
I’m putting my money on solar (PV) power,right now these systems are expensive to install,but they won’t be for long economy of scale and all that good shit.
Right now a local Mass. company is producing panels 24/7 in an effort to keep up with demand plans were announced recently that a second plant will be built doubling capacity
This is the future !
I see a time when solar panels on roofs will be as common as central heat or running water is now!
A really good way to stop the speculation side of the issue is to tax the market, and tax the speculators. The latter is easy, most speculators are rich, so we tax them and reduce the amount of money they have for speculation. It encourages them to commit to more normal, and less risky, investments.
irrational exuberance.
see bubbles. see nasdaq, housing market, commodities,….
according to george soros, if i understand correctly, there is a real market signal but it is very small compared to the run up in prices. i think maybe that might be where the confusion lies. saying there is speculation and/or a bubble doesn’t mean that there is no market signal – it just means that the market signal is tiny compared to the price fluctuations (both on the upside and on the downside, i think). some things can help fuel a bubble – for example maybe all the $$$ that have been pumped into the economy in an attempt to keep the credit crunch from becoming a worse disaster (or at least attempting to delay problems).
but i think this year it is very likely there has been more than speculation and we will find there has been outright market manipulation.
several of our congress critters have statements to the effect that they have released the report. i’ll call tomorrow morning and see if i can’t track it down.
for example:
continuing…. i should also say that hugh called this one long before it was on my radar.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10281004?source=rss
Maybe there are two scandals, because this is dated last month and yet this is being reported by TPM and Countdown right now.
Double trouble
Sorry to be pedantic, but I think we have trouble with a double negative here. Strike the “not”. Your posterity will be better. *g*
Bob in HI
Demand destruction is good and efficiency is even better. However, efficiency in existing electrical generation and cogeneration using waste heat to produce electricity can go online much more quickly than 6-8 years.
Thomas Casten of Recycled Energy talked at MIT on September 9 about doing just that:
More at http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..999/592931
Doing too many things for the next hour or so to read carefully, but I think it’s the same one, and that the IG report might be just coming out after having been sat on for a while.
EW has been on parts of this for a while.
Scarecrow..here is how I know that speculators did it to oil..because at the same time, they were doing it to natural gas also, which has nothing to do with Iran. This year, during the same period, for my job, I watched natural gas(during a time when there was no constraint on supplies, pipeline capacity, or high demand) prices go absolutely through the roof; in fact, they were almost three times what they ordinarily are during that period. We watched the money going into the market for this as well; when the money ran for the doors and oil came down, the same exact thing happened to natural gas prices.
In my scandals list at entry 365, I recount how excessive speculation has been affecting crude oil markets since 2004. The AP story is essentially right that about half of the money that entered the futures market this year as moved back out. This is in part due to getting out ahead of expected regulatory changes and unwinding positions. This move also dovetails with reducing pump prices before an important election. I think some may be to cover bad debt from the housing collapse and cash out to firm up the financial health of the investment banks behind the speculation. And there has been some decline on the demand side. I should point out that at $100/bbl crude is still trading at roughly twice its rational price.
I agree that all the talk about drilling is election year BS. It would represent a giveaway to oil companies that already have millions of acres of unexploited leases. There really aren’t the rigs available for drilling. For some of the deep water areas, it’s not clear that the technology is there or that the EROI (energy return on investment) is worth it. Ten years is the figure most often heard and sounds about right for getting to the point of pumping.
More BS about the cause of the very short-term price fluctuations in the oil commodities market.
What’s far less plausible than this is the notion that a $40 dollar drop in a matter of weeks is due to Americans conserving. What rot!
First of all, I don’t see Americans conserving on the road. They’re still driving 80mph on the hwys, by and large; the level of traffic has not fallen; the average size of a vehicle is still that of a barn; and people are still buying the same. I see more brand-new SUVS, Yukons, Expeditions, and what have you on the road despite the cost of fuel which is still very high in terms of historical trends. They only explanation for that is they can’t fit their fat asses in more reasonable sized cars.
People are by and large being burned by all this money being used to bail out the banks and other financial institutions. People with that money are looking for ways to invest it where they can, in a situation where fewer and fewer opportunities to make a killing actually exist.
This butt-headedness of the writer of this blog has got to end sometime. Might as well admit your bleeding wrong, now.
Maximum 500 lb cars. Minimum 100 mi per gallon mileage . Five year limit to reach zero gas guzzlers /assault vehicles off the road and we are back in business and without losing a thing. I ride a bicyle for most of my commuting. But I live within blocks of a recycled railroad trail.