Comments on: The Archbishop Would Like to Speak With You http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:55:43 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Peterr http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1623080 Peterr Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:53:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1623080 <p>No, <a href="http://www.adherents.com/people/pt/Clarence_Thomas.html" rel="nofollow">Thomas is a Roman Catholic</a>.</p> No, Thomas is a Roman Catholic.

]]> By: Sara http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1623028 Sara Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:38:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1623028 <p>Nancy Pelosi has very interesting roots in American Catholicism. She is a product K-12 and College of the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur, and everything about her public style, body language, manners and all the rest reflects that deep influence. Among others who also had this background, well Tip O’Neill for starters. I’d put the vast numbers schooled by an order of nuns that has as it’s mission the strengenthing of the Middle Classes in the Wake of the French Revolution — and particularly making certain that Women had a leading role in that — up against a new Archbishop who has yet to establish himself in his Archdiocese any day of the week. In particular, given that Bank of America is a pretty big deal in San Francisco — and it is Italian Founded, I give Pelosi a good deal of informal power should she want to suggest its use. The Catholic Church is hardly immune to informal social power, and the Hierarchy, particularly new boys who have yet to establish themselves, are not the only players.</p> Nancy Pelosi has very interesting roots in American Catholicism. She is a product K-12 and College of the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur, and everything about her public style, body language, manners and all the rest reflects that deep influence. Among others who also had this background, well Tip O’Neill for starters. I’d put the vast numbers schooled by an order of nuns that has as it’s mission the strengenthing of the Middle Classes in the Wake of the French Revolution — and particularly making certain that Women had a leading role in that — up against a new Archbishop who has yet to establish himself in his Archdiocese any day of the week. In particular, given that Bank of America is a pretty big deal in San Francisco — and it is Italian Founded, I give Pelosi a good deal of informal power should she want to suggest its use. The Catholic Church is hardly immune to informal social power, and the Hierarchy, particularly new boys who have yet to establish themselves, are not the only players.

]]> By: dcblogger http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622785 dcblogger Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:41:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622785 <p>If Scalia and other torture advocates continue to receive the Eucharist while anti-torture pro-choice politicians are made unwelcome it will be a very serious matter.</p> If Scalia and other torture advocates continue to receive the Eucharist while anti-torture pro-choice politicians are made unwelcome it will be a very serious matter.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622784 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:41:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622784 <p>THis is great Peterr please do a follow up post!</p> THis is great Peterr please do a follow up post!

]]> By: kathyinstlouis1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622676 kathyinstlouis1 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:29:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622676 <p>Just a couple of points. Isn’t Clarence Thomas an episcopalian? I thought he married a former Catholic nun in the episcopalian church. I may have this wrong, or he may have converted, but that’s what I remember.</p> <p>And unless Catholics have received a church-approved annulment, they can’t receive Holy Communion. It’s been that way forever. These days, that’s not such a big problem because annulments are pretty regularly given; all you need is big cash for the process. That may not continue, however. The Archbishop Raymond Burke you mention as the (now former) Archbishop of St. Louis has been sent off to Rome to be in charge of the council that approves those annulments. I don’t think its a big coincidence that they got him out of the country before the election. The Church hates bad publicity, and he really likes to through his weight around with politicians. </p> <p>The fact that the Church isn’t looking for more publicity is probably why Nancy Pelosi’s bishop called her in for a chat rather than making some public scene. Old-time hardline Catholics were probably very offeneded by her remarks on MTP. They are mostly right-wing Republicans, so they don’t like her anyway.</p> Just a couple of points. Isn’t Clarence Thomas an episcopalian? I thought he married a former Catholic nun in the episcopalian church. I may have this wrong, or he may have converted, but that’s what I remember.

And unless Catholics have received a church-approved annulment, they can’t receive Holy Communion. It’s been that way forever. These days, that’s not such a big problem because annulments are pretty regularly given; all you need is big cash for the process. That may not continue, however. The Archbishop Raymond Burke you mention as the (now former) Archbishop of St. Louis has been sent off to Rome to be in charge of the council that approves those annulments. I don’t think its a big coincidence that they got him out of the country before the election. The Church hates bad publicity, and he really likes to through his weight around with politicians.

The fact that the Church isn’t looking for more publicity is probably why Nancy Pelosi’s bishop called her in for a chat rather than making some public scene. Old-time hardline Catholics were probably very offeneded by her remarks on MTP. They are mostly right-wing Republicans, so they don’t like her anyway.

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622643 wigwam Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:00:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622643 <p>People need to distinguish between:<br /> — advocating a legal right to abort<br /> — asserting a moral right to abort.</p> <p>In general, “it displeases God” is not an appropriate reason to make something a crime. I’m sure that God is more than equipped to take care of his/her own displeasure.</p> People need to distinguish between:
— advocating a legal right to abort
— asserting a moral right to abort.

In general, “it displeases God” is not an appropriate reason to make something a crime. I’m sure that God is more than equipped to take care of his/her own displeasure.

]]> By: karnak12 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622618 karnak12 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:46:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622618 <p>Martin Luther exposed the sham for all to see when he nailed his 95 point theses in 1517 to the Wittenberg church door. I think he saw the light when he couldn’t “really” change the wine into Christ’s blood.</p> <p>It took that long since the Council of Nicea in 350 AD for someone to speak up.</p> Martin Luther exposed the sham for all to see when he nailed his 95 point theses in 1517 to the Wittenberg church door. I think he saw the light when he couldn’t “really” change the wine into Christ’s blood.

It took that long since the Council of Nicea in 350 AD for someone to speak up.

]]> By: PraedorAtrebates http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622597 PraedorAtrebates Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:33:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622597 <p>Well…depends on the variant of Xtianity. For Catholics, the person being baptized usually doesn’t believe in anything. They are infants and incapable of forming any actual religious belief (or any other for that matter).</p> <p>For adult converts or other denominations, your mileage may vary. For Mormons, those “baptized” don’t even necessarily know they are being baptized. They do it in absentia for you to “save your soul” for you <i>regardless</i> of your actual beliefs.</p> Well…depends on the variant of Xtianity. For Catholics, the person being baptized usually doesn’t believe in anything. They are infants and incapable of forming any actual religious belief (or any other for that matter).

For adult converts or other denominations, your mileage may vary. For Mormons, those “baptized” don’t even necessarily know they are being baptized. They do it in absentia for you to “save your soul” for you regardless of your actual beliefs.

]]> By: BooRadley http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622570 BooRadley Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:23:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622570 <p>Good point, but I’m not sure you’re 100% accurate on this. I don’t have a link right now, but I know I have read stuff from conservative Catholics about this.</p> <p>Your wider point, however, is right on target, imho. The fertility clinics don’t come in for nearly the amount of criticism that women pregnant by the traditional process face.</p> Good point, but I’m not sure you’re 100% accurate on this. I don’t have a link right now, but I know I have read stuff from conservative Catholics about this.

Your wider point, however, is right on target, imho. The fertility clinics don’t come in for nearly the amount of criticism that women pregnant by the traditional process face.

]]> By: BooRadley http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622563 BooRadley Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:19:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/09/the-archbishop-would-like-to-speak-with-you/#comment-1622563 <p>Sorry if my rants came off as anti-Catholic.</p> <p>I meant to rifle my criticisms at the hierarchy which deserve them. </p> <p>I was raised Catholic and I think the Xtian faith, properly interpreted, can be a tremendous humanizing force. </p> <p>Certainly the Lutherans in Germany were no better than Catholics in resisting Hitler. IMHO, the Catholics having a leader in Italy, had more leverage. Lutherans and other protestant denominations did not have that. </p> <p>Also Pius IX was officially neutral during the U.S. Civil War. I hope Speaker Pelosi reminds the SF Archbishop of that.</p> Sorry if my rants came off as anti-Catholic.

I meant to rifle my criticisms at the hierarchy which deserve them.

I was raised Catholic and I think the Xtian faith, properly interpreted, can be a tremendous humanizing force.

Certainly the Lutherans in Germany were no better than Catholics in resisting Hitler. IMHO, the Catholics having a leader in Italy, had more leverage. Lutherans and other protestant denominations did not have that.

Also Pius IX was officially neutral during the U.S. Civil War. I hope Speaker Pelosi reminds the SF Archbishop of that.

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