Remember the recent report of 90 Afghan civilians killed by a US airstrike – which was roundly denied by the US forces but led to Karzai firing two generals for their involvement.
Well, there’s more.
The UN, a leading Afghan human rights group and the Afghan government all investigated and issued reports backing the claims of the villagers in Nawabad. The US forces continued to deny any such killings – saying at most 7 civilians were killed – until this past Saturday. As The Times of London reports:
Last night the Pentagon announced that it was reopening the investigation in the light of “emerging evidence” and was sending an officer to Nawabad to review its previous inquiry. Villagers and the UN insist that 92 were killed, including as many as 60 children.
Emerging evidence? The previous reports which UN sources privately stated were "conclusive" did not lead to a reconsideration by the Pentagon - even though the Financial Times notes these reports were available prior to the Pentagon's report on the event.
It was only when a video – shot by an Afghan doctor on his cell phone the morning after the killings – became public knowledge that the Pentagon decided to reconsider. The doctor supplied the film to the UN and the Times of London has seen the footage and reports what it shows:
As the doctor walks between rows of bodies, people lift funeral shrouds to reveal the faces of children and babies, some with severe head injuries.
Women are heard wailing in the background. “Oh God, this is just a child,” shouts one villager. Another cries: “My mother, my mother.”
A second film was reportedly shot by Afghan forces which corroborates the doctor’s film but has not been made public according to The Times.
The Financial Times also describes the doctor's video, saying:
The UN estimates that at least 40 bodies are under white funeral shrouds shown in the video.
The mutilated remains of 10 children are also visible in the video which officials say convinced the UN to support the claims of the Afghan government that the incident was one of the worst atrocities committed by western forces in the country since 2001.
Evidence compiled by a UN team that visited the site also included testimonies of villagers and lists of names that were cross referenced.
”This video really brought home the magnitude and psychological horror of what happened in Shindand,” an official said on condition of anonymity.
…The UN has not yet made the evidence public, saying it is too disturbing to be generally released.
Before the leak to the media of this video the Pentagon repeatedly “strongly denied” the mass slaughter of civilians and backed up its claims with the eyewitness report of “an embedded independent journalist." On Sunday, the Times of London identified that “journalist:”
The US military said that its findings were corroborated by an independent journalist embedded with the US force. He was named as the Fox News correspondent Oliver North, who came to prominence in the 1980s Iran-Contra affair, when he was an army colonel.
Pardon me while I throw up.
Today, Human Rights Watch is issuing a new report on civilian deaths in Afghanistan - Troops in Contact’: Airstrikes and Civilian Deaths in Afghanistan. Amongst the findings:
In the first seven months of 2008, at least 540 Afghan civilians were killed in fighting related to the armed conflict. Of those, at least 367 died during attacks by the various insurgent forces and 173 died during US or NATO attacks. At least 119 were killed by US or NATO airstrikes. For all periods cited, Human Rights Watch uses the most conservative figures available.
Human Rights Watch criticized the poor response by US officials when civilian deaths occur. Prior to conducting investigations into airstrikes causing civilian loss, US officials often immediately deny responsibility for civilian deaths or place all blame on the Taliban. US investigations conducted have been unilateral, ponderous, and lacking in transparency, undercutting rather than improving relations with local populations and the Afghan government. A faulty condolence payment system has not provided timely and adequate compensation to assist civilians harmed by US actions.
“The US needs to end the mistakes that are killing so many civilians,” said Adams. “The US must also take responsibility, including by providing timely compensation, when its airstrikes kill Afghan civilians. While Taliban shielding is a factor in some civilian deaths, the US shouldn’t use this as an excuse when it could have taken better precautions. It is, after all, its bombs that are doing the killing.”
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This is unreal. I was surprised to hear the investigation would be re-opened.
These villagers were told we were their friends.
In many ways the reaction to Ollie North following his opening testimony in the Congressional investigation of Iran/Contra reminds me of the reaction to Sarah Palin’s convention speech.
I don’t get it and hopefully never will.
speaking of Oliver North and atrocities:
Interview with Evan Wright author of “Generation Kill”:
For instance, there’s a story in there about a Marine reserve unit that was handing out porn to these Iraqi children, and an elder came out from the village who was really upset by this. The kids ran off, but one of them, through a translator said “Uh-oh, that old man is really mad at you, he’s going to get a rocket launcher and attack you because you are corrupting our morals,” and the old guy walked out with this rusty old rocket launcher tube, and the reservist marines panicked and they launched twenty-six Mark-19, 40-millimeter grenade rounds. They completely missed the old man, because they were reservists and they hadn’t been trained properly, and they dropped them all on this little hamlet. A Mark-19 round, a single one, is a devastating weapon to drop into a mud hut village. They dropped 26 of these in there. Also, Oliver North, who was working for Fox News as a correspondent was nearby and ran up and was trying to film it, and word was he picked up a weapon and was trying to shoot into the hamlet also. I heard this story—and this is one of the few things in my book that I didn’t witness—and I said this cannot be true. So I went and I interviewed between 15 and 20 participants, including the gunner who actually dropped the rounds on the village. Everybody corroborated it. So yea, there’s some outrageous stuff in the book but it’s all true.
my bold
Thank you, Siun.
Let’s call this what it is: The United States is guilty of war crimes.
Oliver North is beneath contempt.
Seems trite but another example of “You can’t make this shit up.” The MSM: infotainment and propaganda you can believe in.
Finish the quote:
Ollie North was a disgrace to the Marine Corps and is therefore just fine for Fox. Think about it, a make-believe hero on a make-belive news network.
Fitting.
Oliver North is a living breathing example of why we must prosecute the criminals that aided and abetted BushCo.
If Iraq citizens are like US citizens they will simply let it slide. Bush deems Iraq children probably worth less than American children anyway. I’m pretty sure Americans would only muster up a huh! if it happened here, it would be unpatriotic to complain as per Bush/McCain/Chaney.
Morning gang - and thanks Elliott for the very useful info.
The idea that the independent observer the Pentagon used to justify its claim was North is beyond words.
The US military said that its findings were corroborated by an independent journalist embedded with the US force. He was named as the Fox News correspondent Oliver North, who came to prominence in the 1980s Iran-Contra affair, when he was an army colonel.
Pardon me while I throw up.
Line forms to the rear.
It’s right next to the “laughingly hysterically” line…..
The America public through their indifference and their ignorance is complicit in every crime of the Administration and the military. Everyone in the civilized world sees the U.S. becoming and even more militaristic empire with growing fascist tendencies. Everyone sees it but the vast majority of the American public and a corrupt MSM.
People keep thinking that Obama’s appeals to decency will work on the American electorate.
America has become a nation full of indecent people.
-G
Oliver North is beneath contempt.
Oh, I can still work some up….
No. You are wrong. The nation as a whole approves of the use of torture. This means that the US, from top to bottom, is peopled by war criminals.
Also BTW but the DC Circuit stayed the order for Bolten and Miers to appear before the HJC. At the moment, it looks like they couldn’t resist a look-see at the matter but it could also end being another delaying tactic.
From Josh Marshall on the newly announced front runner:
“If John McCain wins, for all that has happened over the last eight years in Iraq and elsewhere, we would get a new president even more closely tied to the DC neoconservative axis than President Bush has ever been.”
-G
If he actually wins, I officially don’t give a f*ck (literally) what bad shit comes down on the USA after that. Any attacks will be deserved because it will be the people of the US yet again giving their blessing to war war war, war crimes war crimes war crimes, kleptocracy, environmental degredation, etc. What follows from that is deserved.
The Republicans lie to the American public and the corporate media enables them. If there is any institution that is to blame for the downfall of the United States it is the complicit and corrupt MSM. Where is the accountabilitly? The only accountability for rich celebrity “journalists” is more access and another raise.
Oh wait… That’s right,we did once. Fat lot of good it did.
the interview on democracy now! this morning was pretty good. transcript will be up later at the link. for now, it’s just the intro:
glad to see the ft still doing good reporting.
i’ll try to leave it alone after this - but the children (for example) do not deserve any bad thing. countries are not only their elite.
Thanks Christy! More like this!
WE need to stick to the issues that affect All of US:
War and Economy
War and Economy
War and Economy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....02846.html
$3T is a current estimate of the running total cost of Iraq, including long-term troop care and equipment replacement.
$3T divided by 300 Million Americans = $10,000 for every Man, Woman, and Child in America.
Bush and the Credit Card Conservatives have put that on US - All of US.
At $10B per week, Iraq is Adding to Our Debt at the rate of $33/week for Every Man, Woman and Child in America.
If you have a family of 4, that’s $600 per month!
McCain/Palin = More of the Same
$10,600 today, $11,200 in October, $11,800 in November, $12,400 in December…for every Man, Woman and Child in America!
What about Social Security? What about Health Care? What about a solvent Housing Market? What about Government Services for the Needy…right here at home?
Wake Up, America!
Thanks for the heads up Selise.
I actually subscribe to the FT - only paper in my mind worth actually reading.
Siun, forgive me. I read this and truly thought you were kidding. I cannot even bear this today. I thought my irony meter had exploded into a thousand pieces last week, but I’m completely speechless.
What more can we do?
“independent embedded journalist” is an oxymoron.
Also, Ollie North was a MARINE colonel, not Army.
Since the USMC is all about grabbing the glory, let us give them their full measure.
Faux news as his employer is also liable and beneath contempt
Well, it just occurred to me that Oliver North’s opinion matches Bush’s perfectly, if Bob Woodward is to be believed from 60 Minutes last night. All he wants to do is kill “them”. He doesn’t see them as human and neither does Ollie.
I know Martha … I do plan to make calls today and fuss to various congresspeople today about this - and also hope we get some attention on Digg etc … this story is not being told here.
A great political ad or set of ads would show how much of that $3T flowed right into the hands of Bush family members, friends, and cronies.
Once again, the dangers of not adequately prosecuting criminal conduct while in office is plain: these thugs continue to come back. Witness the return of at least two actors in the Iran-Contra scheme.
Congress should put impeachment back on the table and get on with their jobs! The dangers of corporate re-cycling of these jerks is just too great.
Also cinches journalistic integrity for Faux News: lie for the government view.
Which is right next to the “crying uncontrollably” line. :-(
Yeah, come to think of it, maybe the story line here should be Faux News actively participates in covering up war crimes. How to get the story out where it will do some good, though?
There are different types of “deserve”. There is the actual, justice type of deserving (those who specifically enable and support the crimes) and there is the karmic justice. Like it or not, infants, old ladies, etc, etc, fall under the karmic justice overall.
A nation CANNOT go about waging war war war and atrocities against people and the environment and get off with a free pass. There were lots of Germans (including infants) under the Nazis that, technically speaking, didn’t “deserve” the disaster of allied invasion of Germany and the carpet bombing that preceded it, but the collective German people got what they “deserved” for their collective action on a karmic level. You cannot divide it all up that cleanly on the level I am speaking of.
Those who would attack us (our society) will simply see the USA (collectively) acquiescing AGAIN to more of the same only with more bombs. That will bring a “deserved” response. Many technical innocents will eat it along with those directly culpable. Collectively I wont give a crap because the nation, collectively, will get what they earned. Sure, it will suck for infants, old folks (who voted properly), etc, to go down (I could also get caught up in such a karmic response) but that’s the way it goes. If the people of the US make a bed, they MUST lie in it and accept the consequences, just as we have so far required other nations and peoples to suck up the consequences of their not doing what we want them to do.
i like ft too - had an online subscription for a couple of years after 911. csm is also, i think, not so bad.
It’s vastly more important that the Democrats now work to prevent McCain from becoming President.
dugg. (thanks DWBartoo)
Praedator - I do think we need to own up to our responsibility for the actions of our government, they do work for us and we pay them.
I don’t believe that cheering on attacks of any sort that harm innocents is acceptable. That after all is what we are addressing here.
Never said I cheered on any attacks (or advocated any). I am simply saying that after all this crap over the last 8 years, if McCain wins anyway, then I expect attacks and much worse and I wont give a crap about them beyond immediate sympathy to any true innocents who were victimized. I would not then “rally to the flag” or the president, I would simply give it and the President the finger and say, “This is to be expected because of you. You are NOT the answer and nothing you can do other than resign could even remotely correct the problem that brought this on.” I would feel no patriotic anything (I ceased feeling any patriotism long ago, thanks to Bush).
There are two principal reasons for the heavy use of airstrikes in Afghanistan. The more important one is to make up for the insufficient number of troops on the ground. The other is to reduce the number of US and NATO casualties.
I can’t get the video to play. But
A memorial ceremony? This is a war crime.
Library Journal’s response to Sarah Palin and banned books and the Wasilla, AK’s resignation. Tepid and predictable.
U.S. forces and intelligence bodies are way out of their depth when it comes to actually doing what they’re supposed to do in a conflict. The absence of good intelligence on the ground is part and parcel of their failure to connect with the people of the country, culturally and tactically. They lack the access they should have to be effective. They’re deploying weapons and knowledge that’s not applicable to the region. They’re like the Red Coats vs. the colonists in the Levant. All they know is massive brute force. When that’s all you know, you’re bound to produce massive errors.
Nobody in Washington is really directing these forces. The protocol seems to be, when intelligence is gathered, act on it immediately, ask questions maybe later.
As Woodward noted on Sixty Minutes last night, the directions from Bush are for the U.S. military produce deaths, no matter who it is that gets killed, so long as the ratio of deaths favors non-Americans. The generals’ performance evaluations weigh how many people native to the land invaded by U.S. forces killed vs. the number of invading Americans killed. Bush wants a much higher ratio of deaths than what he’s been seeing. That was the basis of the ’surge’ of U.S. troops in Iraq. It doesn’t matter who is killed or why, just so long as the deaths do not include members of the U.S. armed forces.
What is quite troublesome is that this won’t end with either a McCain or Obama presidency. Both want to continue the so-called ‘war on terror’. The difference of opinion between them is where the war machine will deliver more deaths. To me, there’s an acute lack of perspective of the bigger picture and purpose of the whole pointless enterprise. Apart from making a relative handful of people very rich from war making, there doesn’t seem to be any more point to the whole exercise than there is in the killing of innocent people caught in the so-called ‘crossfire.’
I Dugg, too, but why doesn’t the Digg link at the top of the post reflect that we have Dugg?
Actually, the Human Rights Watch report - which I am just reading this morning since it was just released - mentions that the US uses such raids as anticipatory actions along with other reasons.
More troops are not what the Afghans are asking for … fewer US casualties both in Afghanistan and in Iraq are a major driver - we don’t care if those brown folk get killed so long as our count is not so high.
*sigh*
time delay diggs
Why do the churches endorsing McShame/Paleing not feel the same pressures to take a stand
How difficult would it be for the American Library Association to say we do not make political endorsements but we strongly condemn and have condemened book banning in all its forms.
It goes to how cowed all our institutions are that they are more worried about their tax status than they are in the truth or having anything remotely like a conviction, even on a core issue.
I’m only giving you what the military rationale is. There is far too much territory to cover and too few troops to cover it. As a result, the US is making up for deficiencies in its force structure on the ground through the greater use of air power. This state of affairs is independent of any positions the Afghan government may take on it.
Yes, and the assaults on libraries is becoming sickening with the Patriot Act and soforth, I’d rather see the radical militant librarian. Fight tooth for tooth, nail for nail, so to speak.
I am trying to find where the banned book list comes from. It included Bridge to Terabithia (predictable), Harry potter (predictable), Bocaccio’s Decameron (WTF?) and Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale (Just plain ironic).
I believe that is exactly right. And when the “payback” does come, and it will, it will be for all atrocities committed by everyone in this nation starting with what was done during the founding to the original inhabitants of this land.
I’m amazed that hasn’t happened yet, actually. NO ONE ever answered for or took any kind of responsibility for the holocaust that happened in the “Indian Wars”. That, and now this empirical butchering of the peoples of other nations, will come home to roost and in spades. And when that happens, whether I’m left standing or not, or my loved ones or not, I WILL UNDERSTAND IT, it the light of reality!
DUGG. I hope those who do come here to read various Diggs also take the time to read the responses of those of us who “live here”.
Thousands of “spin off’s” could come from the brilliance that occurs regularly in comments on this site.
BT has a new post
These Sexist And Elitist Attacks On Sarah Palin Have To Stop
The only way we can be sure that Bigfoot doesn’t kill somebody is to burn down all the forests.
Enjoy.
New Blue Texan upstairs!
These Sexist And Elitist Attacks On Sarah Palin Have To Stop
This is from the Wilson Goode school of law enforcement. Got a bad guy in the neighborhood? Burn down the whole thing.
Mainstreaming civilian slaughter.
Enjoy.
Ollie needs to be indicted for obstruction of justice for trying to interfere with a Pentagon investigation into an alleged war crime and his credentials should be pulled. Is there anything on the books about the government using propaganda against the US public-wouldn’t a Fox news item, by definition, be such an item?
If Amy Goodman can have her credentials taken for questioning the tactics of fascist cops, Ollie needs to be silenced.
This is what happens when justice is thwarted. Had activist judges not overturned his conviction in the Iran-contra case he’d have less credibility with what are left of the “normal” American public.
My daughter attends a Catholic high school here in upstate New York and she received a summer reading list with those same books on it listed as “banned” books. It was explained that these were books which at one time or another had been banned by schools and from libraries and her assignment was to pick one book and do a report indicating why anyone would have objected to its message and whether or not she would agree with the decision of whoever it was doing the banning.
Judy Blume was on the list, A Separate Peace was included, in addition to the ones on this list I just saw. I don’t believe that Palin banned these books or pushed for them to be removed from her library. We need to be careful how we react to these things before all the facts are known. Rove threw her into the arena for just this reason, to get visceral reactions from people who should know better so that the real issues in this crucial election can be buried. It’s the only way they can win and if people keep piling on with irrelevant unsubstantiated charges, Rove wins, McCain wins, and at some point Palin becomes the first woman president.
He’s also a living, breathing example of why it won’t happen … probably. If it could have, it would have happened back then. “Now” is MUCH worse.
Hearts and minds
siun, I know this is late, but I wanted to thank you for this post. I spent an hour or so just shaking with anger after I first read it, but then I wrote about it myself. Thanks very much.