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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1620058</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Too true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t forget the contradictions in our character (and Canadians, too — we don’t have a monopoly on human complexity). Winthrop has is egalitarian side. It’s evident in his writing. He was just dominated by what George Lakoff would call the “strict father” or authoritarian worldview.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true.</p>
<p>Don’t forget the contradictions in our character (and Canadians, too — we don’t have a monopoly on human complexity). Winthrop has is egalitarian side. It’s evident in his writing. He was just dominated by what George Lakoff would call the “strict father” or authoritarian worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1620056</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you. Paine did say it better, but I’m proud to be mentioned in the same sentence. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keep the faith,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glenn&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Paine did say it better, but I’m proud to be mentioned in the same sentence. :)</p>
<p>Keep the faith,</p>
<p>Glenn</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619966</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My teacher cousins told me they would never dream of mentioning politics in their public high school school classrooms.  Now witch hunting, loyalty oaths, and youth (shades of Nazi Germany) monitoring classrooms…yipes… this is really really really really getting even scarier.  I keep thinking we as a country are reaching bottom… but there always seem a lower one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My teacher cousins told me they would never dream of mentioning politics in their public high school school classrooms.  Now witch hunting, loyalty oaths, and youth (shades of Nazi Germany) monitoring classrooms…yipes… this is really really really really getting even scarier.  I keep thinking we as a country are reaching bottom… but there always seem a lower one.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619960</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn, Tom Paine couldn’t have said it better.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“We will no longer tolerate your lies and destructive and divisive tactics. We will not be suckered by your efforts to turn Americans against one another while you steal our money, practice de facto euthanasia by denying us health care, destroy the institutions of democracy, kill our children in an immoral war, and make some of us believe that the deaths and thievery are the fault of our innocent next door neighbors.” That’s more like it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Made me think, reading it all, of the Edmund Burke line:  “Evil thrives when good men do nothing.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, Tom Paine couldn’t have said it better.  Thank you.</p>
<blockquote><p>“We will no longer tolerate your lies and destructive and divisive tactics. We will not be suckered by your efforts to turn Americans against one another while you steal our money, practice de facto euthanasia by denying us health care, destroy the institutions of democracy, kill our children in an immoral war, and make some of us believe that the deaths and thievery are the fault of our innocent next door neighbors.” That’s more like it.</p>
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<p>Made me think, reading it all, of the Edmund Burke line:  “Evil thrives when good men do nothing.”</p>
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		<title>By: SadButTrue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619894</link>
		<dc:creator>SadButTrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good on ya’. Then you know exactly where I’m coming from. Winthrop was more like the Father of Republican Ideals, Hutchinson a true proponent of liberty. BTW, I’m a Canadian and I would really prefer that the US public had a better understanding of their own history and traditions. It’s really devolved to a nadir when a statement (by the president!)that the Constitution is ‘just a piece of paper’ can be tolerated but the flag is worshiped like a tribal totem. That’s not patriotism, that’s jingoism.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on ya’. Then you know exactly where I’m coming from. Winthrop was more like the Father of Republican Ideals, Hutchinson a true proponent of liberty. BTW, I’m a Canadian and I would really prefer that the US public had a better understanding of their own history and traditions. It’s really devolved to a nadir when a statement (by the president!)that the Constitution is ‘just a piece of paper’ can be tolerated but the flag is worshiped like a tribal totem. That’s not patriotism, that’s jingoism.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619870</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re very kind. Tell those you forward this to to keep the faith and join us at the barricades!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, your comments mean the world to me. Thanks for taking a moment to tell me you liked it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re very kind. Tell those you forward this to to keep the faith and join us at the barricades!</p>
<p>Seriously, your comments mean the world to me. Thanks for taking a moment to tell me you liked it.</p>
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		<title>By: ohbytheway</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619843</link>
		<dc:creator>ohbytheway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a marvelous post.  Thank you for the “egalitarian democracy” term and a clearer picture of our enemy.  Glenn W. Smith, you are a wordsmith of great talent. I will forward this to all who will understand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a marvelous post.  Thank you for the “egalitarian democracy” term and a clearer picture of our enemy.  Glenn W. Smith, you are a wordsmith of great talent. I will forward this to all who will understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619842</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m proud to say that my 9th great grandfather, William Wardwell, went into exile with Anne Hutchinson. His son, Samuel, was in the last group of “witches” hanged at Salem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m proud to say that my 9th great grandfather, William Wardwell, went into exile with Anne Hutchinson. His son, Samuel, was in the last group of “witches” hanged at Salem.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619837</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please tell the Goddess to forgive my past sins! I hope She likes this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take care,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glenn&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell the Goddess to forgive my past sins! I hope She likes this.</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Glenn</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/07/winning-americas-real-culture-war/#comment-1619836</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry I’m late back here. Perhaps you’ll return to see this response.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s probably not one answer, because the elected officials we might call moderate or “Rockefeller” Republicans come in many varieties. Most probably don’t think about the disconnects. It’s not unlike those who take the Bible literacy and aren’t troubled by say, conflicting accounts of creation in Genesis. It doesn’t fit the worldview, so they don’t see it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other moderates, or even rabid corporate free market Repubs, never took the extremist right seriously. They just used them, never believing for a minute their extremist views would become law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I’m late back here. Perhaps you’ll return to see this response.</p>
<p>There’s probably not one answer, because the elected officials we might call moderate or “Rockefeller” Republicans come in many varieties. Most probably don’t think about the disconnects. It’s not unlike those who take the Bible literacy and aren’t troubled by say, conflicting accounts of creation in Genesis. It doesn’t fit the worldview, so they don’t see it.</p>
<p>Other moderates, or even rabid corporate free market Repubs, never took the extremist right seriously. They just used them, never believing for a minute their extremist views would become law.</p>
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