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	<title>Comments on: Family, Military and God: American Political Culture Viewed From the Outside</title>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/family-military-and-god-american-political-culture-viewed-from-the-outside/#comment-1619514</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember — about 20 (?) years ago, some retired European leader died (I think it was France.)  At the funeral, his wife (of many years) and his long-time mistress sat together at the funeral.  They had their arms around each other, and seemed to get along very well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While this is good, I can’t help but wonder: if he had a mistress, why stay married?  I can’t understand it.  And why be married at all?  (Esp. long after the children were grown.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember — about 20 (?) years ago, some retired European leader died (I think it was France.)  At the funeral, his wife (of many years) and his long-time mistress sat together at the funeral.  They had their arms around each other, and seemed to get along very well.</p>
<p>While this is good, I can’t help but wonder: if he had a mistress, why stay married?  I can’t understand it.  And why be married at all?  (Esp. long after the children were grown.)</p>
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		<title>By: JTJT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/family-military-and-god-american-political-culture-viewed-from-the-outside/#comment-1619424</link>
		<dc:creator>JTJT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent post, Ian.  What really makes one crazy is the dissonance in all this.  For while Family, God, Country and the Military get promoted and cheered as imaginary ideal, in actuality the Family is splintered and shattered by geography and economic necessity, God becomes Mr. Fix It for all moral lapse, Country equals just a fluttering Flag and the Military is given the attention of a good video game…compelling in the moment and forgotten in the next instance. Hypocrisy, paradox and cognitive dissonance rule!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Ian.  What really makes one crazy is the dissonance in all this.  For while Family, God, Country and the Military get promoted and cheered as imaginary ideal, in actuality the Family is splintered and shattered by geography and economic necessity, God becomes Mr. Fix It for all moral lapse, Country equals just a fluttering Flag and the Military is given the attention of a good video game…compelling in the moment and forgotten in the next instance. Hypocrisy, paradox and cognitive dissonance rule!</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
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		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow,&lt;br /&gt;
that was AMAZING Ian.  I cannot tell you how much I benefit from your work here at FDL.  It’s always hugely enlightening to take a look at the US through the eyes of one not born here!  Try as i might to be objective, it’s just impossible on the finer points cause I was raised in all of this.&lt;br /&gt;
You are a treasure, and a complete asset to each one of us who reads your good work!&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you!&lt;br /&gt;
siri&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,<br />
that was AMAZING Ian.  I cannot tell you how much I benefit from your work here at FDL.  It’s always hugely enlightening to take a look at the US through the eyes of one not born here!  Try as i might to be objective, it’s just impossible on the finer points cause I was raised in all of this.<br />
You are a treasure, and a complete asset to each one of us who reads your good work!<br />
Thank you!<br />
siri</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/family-military-and-god-american-political-culture-viewed-from-the-outside/#comment-1619249</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Splendid post Ian&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In describing the amount of time a complex discussion degenerates into terms fascism/nazism is XXXXX (senior moment here)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the term before Bobby Burns and his grand giftie is brought up?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your mirror is near flawless, there is no distortion, if those peering into it allow its images.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When in need of protection from those bearing cross and flag, I recommend breaking out the Robert Maplethorpe.  ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Splendid post Ian</p>
<p>In describing the amount of time a complex discussion degenerates into terms fascism/nazism is XXXXX (senior moment here)</p>
<p>What is the term before Bobby Burns and his grand giftie is brought up?</p>
<p>Your mirror is near flawless, there is no distortion, if those peering into it allow its images.</p>
<p>When in need of protection from those bearing cross and flag, I recommend breaking out the Robert Maplethorpe.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: xaxnar</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/family-military-and-god-american-political-culture-viewed-from-the-outside/#comment-1618676</link>
		<dc:creator>xaxnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Once upon a time there was something called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_century_philosophy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Age of Reason&lt;/a&gt;, which shaded into the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Age of Enlightenment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“…a phase in Western philosophy and cultural life centered upon the eighteenth century, in which Reason was advocated as the primary source and basis of authority. Developing in Germany, France and Britain, the movement spread through much of Europe, including Russia and Scandinavia. The signatories of the American Declaration of Independence, the United States Bill of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen were motivated by “Enlightenment” principles (although the English Bill of Rights predates the era).&lt;br /&gt;
The intellectual and philosophical developments of that age (and their impact in moral and social reform) aspired towards governmental consolidation, centralisation and primacy of the nation-state, and greater rights for common people. There was also a strong attempt to supplant the authority of aristocracy and established churches in social and political life, forces that were viewed as reactionary, oppressive and superstitious.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That age is now over. We have gone to the Age of the Lizard Brain, where people are manipulated and controlled by targeting their emotions over their reason: paranoia, envy, xenophobia, alienation, etc. Faith, in the sense of accepting without questioning or examining anything handed down by authority, is now the ruling principle our Rulers want us to live by - or else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time there was something called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_century_philosophy" rel="nofollow">Age of Reason</a>, which shaded into the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment" rel="nofollow">Age of Enlightenment</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>“…a phase in Western philosophy and cultural life centered upon the eighteenth century, in which Reason was advocated as the primary source and basis of authority. Developing in Germany, France and Britain, the movement spread through much of Europe, including Russia and Scandinavia. The signatories of the American Declaration of Independence, the United States Bill of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen were motivated by “Enlightenment” principles (although the English Bill of Rights predates the era).<br />
The intellectual and philosophical developments of that age (and their impact in moral and social reform) aspired towards governmental consolidation, centralisation and primacy of the nation-state, and greater rights for common people. There was also a strong attempt to supplant the authority of aristocracy and established churches in social and political life, forces that were viewed as reactionary, oppressive and superstitious.”</p>
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<p>That age is now over. We have gone to the Age of the Lizard Brain, where people are manipulated and controlled by targeting their emotions over their reason: paranoia, envy, xenophobia, alienation, etc. Faith, in the sense of accepting without questioning or examining anything handed down by authority, is now the ruling principle our Rulers want us to live by &#8211; or else.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For now, ask those questions firmly, quietly and privately.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pretty sure it’s going to be either both (now and later) or neither. otherwise i’m just making myself part of the propaganda and americans have too much of that already.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For now, ask those questions firmly, quietly and privately.</p>
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<p>pretty sure it’s going to be either both (now and later) or neither. otherwise i’m just making myself part of the propaganda and americans have too much of that already.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fair ‘nough.  Forcing Iran off the dollar wasn’t really smart though.  They are #2 in exports after Saudi Arabia.  I believe Russia has started selling some oil in rubles, too.  I honestly think it’s only a matter of time, unless the US goes serious towards sopping up dollars and since neither Obama nor McCain are suggesting policies that will do that, unless Bernanke goes all Volcker, it seems unlikely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair ‘nough.  Forcing Iran off the dollar wasn’t really smart though.  They are #2 in exports after Saudi Arabia.  I believe Russia has started selling some oil in rubles, too.  I honestly think it’s only a matter of time, unless the US goes serious towards sopping up dollars and since neither Obama nor McCain are suggesting policies that will do that, unless Bernanke goes all Volcker, it seems unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this is off-topic, so I won’t belabor it too much. The Venezuelan thing is a PR move. It gives traders an additional arbitrage opportunity, but not much else. We’ve forced the Iranians into their move, so not that much has changed. On the other hand, it provides the template for a move to the euro whenever the Saudis decide that’s in their interest. I have a feeling that when our empire falls, it won’t be a slow decline. Hope you guys are up for securing the loose nukes when it all falls apart here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is off-topic, so I won’t belabor it too much. The Venezuelan thing is a PR move. It gives traders an additional arbitrage opportunity, but not much else. We’ve forced the Iranians into their move, so not that much has changed. On the other hand, it provides the template for a move to the euro whenever the Saudis decide that’s in their interest. I have a feeling that when our empire falls, it won’t be a slow decline. Hope you guys are up for securing the loose nukes when it all falls apart here.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/06/family-military-and-god-american-political-culture-viewed-from-the-outside/#comment-1618604</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Ian.  And, thanks for the explication.  Now I understand.  And, let me also say that you are one of my favorite FDL posters.  I believe I have mentioned this in the past, and especially appreciate the fact that you are always right into the conversation in the threads following your posts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The comment about the US still being an 18th century country is true, though I’ve thought about it not so much as re: the Civil War, but rather the firm streak of Puritanism (pointed out to me by European friends), tho both are probably correct in some measure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s interesting what you say about expecting better of Americans, believing the myths you grew up with.  And, I agree that we would be better off, much better off, if we lived up to those myths.  Deal is, we have hardly ever lived up to those myths.  We have perhaps produced one or two great documents- The Constitution with Bill of Rights, but it is a continuing battle to realize the essence of those.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I grew up in a household where there was a pretty clear recognition of the hypocrisy of most of the religious-speak and the political-speak, so I guess I never got imbued with those particular myths.  And, also, being of the Vietnam generation, well, I guess that made me a bit of  a cynic too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, thanks for responding.  Yes, it would be great if America lived up  to the mythology, or rather, lived up to what it says it wants to be. That is a continuing battle, and that push is really what motives most people who come to FDL and like-minded sites.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian.  And, thanks for the explication.  Now I understand.  And, let me also say that you are one of my favorite FDL posters.  I believe I have mentioned this in the past, and especially appreciate the fact that you are always right into the conversation in the threads following your posts.</p>
<p>The comment about the US still being an 18th century country is true, though I’ve thought about it not so much as re: the Civil War, but rather the firm streak of Puritanism (pointed out to me by European friends), tho both are probably correct in some measure.</p>
<p>It’s interesting what you say about expecting better of Americans, believing the myths you grew up with.  And, I agree that we would be better off, much better off, if we lived up to those myths.  Deal is, we have hardly ever lived up to those myths.  We have perhaps produced one or two great documents- The Constitution with Bill of Rights, but it is a continuing battle to realize the essence of those.  </p>
<p>I grew up in a household where there was a pretty clear recognition of the hypocrisy of most of the religious-speak and the political-speak, so I guess I never got imbued with those particular myths.  And, also, being of the Vietnam generation, well, I guess that made me a bit of  a cynic too.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for responding.  Yes, it would be great if America lived up  to the mythology, or rather, lived up to what it says it wants to be. That is a continuing battle, and that push is really what motives most people who come to FDL and like-minded sites.</p>
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		<title>By: leolabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>leolabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rubin “Hurricane” Carter has been saying for years that tribalism, not racism, is one of our country’s worst problems.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubin “Hurricane” Carter has been saying for years that tribalism, not racism, is one of our country’s worst problems.</p>
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