For the first few days of the DNC I wondered if I should have bothered to go. Not that it wasn’t interesting, but FDL had plenty of people there who know US politics better than I do, and the entire thing was very antiseptic, with little in the way of protest. A giant, very well choreographed, photo opportunity. But it was the way that photo op was staged that began to fascinate me, because I can tell you there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the English speaking world. Americans and America really are different, very different, from their cousins and the DNC illustrated it perfectly.
I started to realize this when Biden’s son came out and started praising his Dad as a wonderful father. Call me a cold-hearted Canadian as one of my friends did, but my reaction was "I don’t give a damn if Biden’s a good Dad. Was he a good Senator? Will he be a good VP or President?" And yet, the, forgive me, sob story about his family was a huge hit with the crowd and the Americans I talked to. Everyone loved it, the only person who didn’t was a fellow Canadian I talked to.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, politicians everywhere use their families, both wives and cute kids, as photo-op props. But we don’t have the wives give major speeches as a rule (except to charities) and we don’t have the sons come out and speak. The emphasis on family is a magnitude greater in the US. Heck, you can even be a bachelor and get elected Prime Minister in Canada. Being married is not a political necessity if you want the highest job in the land. Nor is there any assumption that you need a happy family, or even that your family life is any way relevant. Some years ago the Prime Minister’s son was up on rape charges, the PM was watching from the gallery and there was hardly a news story about it. Nor did I ever meet a Canadian who thought there should be.
I think the emphasis on family is partially because of the lack of a very effective safety net in the US. Just as in traditional societies, in the US you need one group of people you can rely on to help when everything goes bad. Since that’s not the government, who won’t do much when you get really sick, it has to be your family. Being willing to stick by family, through thick and thin, is the paramount virtue in a society where family, at the end of the day, is the only thing you’ve really got.
And then there’s religion. Kaine’s speech, which was "faith, faith, more faith!" really brought it home to me. Again, it is impossible to imagine in Canada or Britain, that a major politician would give such a speech. Religion is supposed to be separate from public life—believe what you want. Even Preston Manning, the old leader of the Reform Party in Canada had to do a Kennedy—had to declare that while he was against abortion due to his faith, that wouldn’t affect his actions as Prime Minister if elected. When Tony Blair, in England, declared Iraq was a mission from God for him, people rolled their eyes. Again, not considered legitimate. This is, I notice, slowly changing, but so far it is still mostly the case that religion is private, not public.
Then there’s the military. Both parties trooped veteran after veteran onto the stage, attempting to wrap themselves in military glory, or at least portray themselves as military friendly. Once again, this just isn’t the case in England, Canada or Australia. Oh sure, bows of deference to "supporting the troops" are made in all three countries, especially when there’s a war happening. But the glorification of the military and the huge emphasis on it simply does not exist, nor would it be considered acceptable. There is still strong separation of politics and the military, even veterans are not expected to use their military bona fides for crass partisan politics, or really, for politics at all. The military is strictly apolitical and unlike in the US, where it really isn’t most of the time, the separation is generally taken seriously. Harper, the Canadian prime minister most identified with US neocons, is the first PM to try and propagandize the Canadian military, but again, it is still nascent compared to the full blow militarism in the US.
The joke about the GOP is "God, Guns and Gays", but watching both conventions what I found is that both parties are for militarism, religion and the family above all other considerations. I don’t think many Americans really even understand that the three are not the same thing and that patriotism is not synonymous with loving God, the military and your family. I found Mel Gibson’s movie, "the Patriot" revealing in this regard. Mel’s character wasn’t a patriot, he didn’t even want to fight until his family was attacked. That’s not patriotism, that’s tribalism that would have been understood by primitive men and women long before nations even existed.
As with the British in the Victorian era, convinced that God was on their side in their wars, this unholy trinity has fused. Not only does God love America and hate America’s enemies, but the superimposition of love of country with love of family has led to an inability to recognize outsiders as even human.
The excessive worship of the military has led to a version of the old Admirals’ love of their ships – a paralyzing fear of losing troops, which takes precedence over actually accomplishing the mission. It is "the military" that is important and every soldier insists his life is somehow important. Seems almost inarguable but it leads to lesser military effectiveness in a myriad of situations, but nowhere more than in anti-insurgency operations where the willingness of American troops to blow away civilians if there is even a miniscule chance that might make troops safer has actually lead to troops being less safe, because it has increased the number of people who have reason to want to kill American troops. Fire discipline is rule #1 in counterinsurgency, but if your job#1 is not to be successful at the mission, but to save your own life, then having a twitchy trigger finger "kill them first, check the bodies to see if they were actually a threat later" makes sense. However while that twitchy trigger finger might save your life, every time it leads to you killing the wrong person you have betrayed the mission. And in the not very long run, it costs more lives than it saves.
But in domestic political terms, when even the Democrats, the so-called secular party, put God and the military and individual families above society as a whole, above one’s duty to everyone in the country, it’s a problem. The identification of family as paramount over all else means that things like welfare don’t really make sense. After all, the family will look after you and if you don’t have a family that will, like Biden, well then, that’s a personal moral failing. The glorification of the military for itself and rather than for what it can do means that no one can seriously take a look at the military and say "what is half the world’s military budget getting us? Wouldn’t this money be better spent elsewhere? Shouldn’t these men and woman be helping to build the country rather than to destroy other countries?" Since that glorification slops over onto police and even over onto prison guards, it stops a cold hard look at how the US justice system is completely out of control and how the US has become the world’s leading prison state.
And the glorification of God, as if he gives more a damn about the US than anyone else, as if he likes war (all indications are he doesn’t), as if he thinks that family trumps all other obligations (he doesn’t, ask Jesus about having to leave your family to serve him) adds nitro to an already combustible mixture and makes it even harder to question. After all, if God is for guns, cops, family and a big military that stomps infidels, how can you argue against that? If God loves America and likes war, well then, who can argue against that?
In fact, if God approves of anything a government does, good or bad, who can argue against it except on theological terms? "well no, in the Bible it says…" If God is a legitimate participant in politics, soon politics becomes religion.
Faith, the military and the family. The three idols that every American politician must bow down before. No wonder American politics is where it is.



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Thanks for this. The close of the McSame speech was incoherent to me as he called for Fight, Fight, Fight on and on. It was not the time for a cheerleader, though we have lots of those. And why do we assume our country wants to be known as the fighters of the world community? How about a call for peace, for the world community, for assisting those who are so bereft….instead, the call for warring and fight. Don’t get it.
It’s all bullshit but it’s weird. Most Americans, I think, really don’t give a shit. But the GOP talkers go on TV and yell and scream about this stuff, organize, raise money, win elections. Dems see that it’s a winning formula and try the same thing. I’m sick if McCain’s POW story and for that matter don’t want to hear another word about Barack’s improbable journey or his grandpa marching with Patton.
Oh yeah. Great, great post, Ian you cranky Canadian.
and they were saying Obama reminded them of Nuremberg. that was frightening when McCain was doing his “fight, fight, fight” bit. Incoherent is the word. I had called it disjointed. One sentence didn’t flow into the next. Just a bullet list of GOP oldies but goodies from conventions past.
Thanks for this, Ian. Excellent synthesis of all the stuff about American political life and rhetoric that completely bewilder this cranky Canadian.
Yep. Ds morphing into Rs before our very eyes.
Our country didn’t used to be this way. Reagan conservatives pushed these memes until they pretty much took over politics. There have always been appeals to family, military, and God but they were part of the mix, not the entirety.
Thank you for this excellent post.
Regarding this Bizarro World political landscape, I feel like Rod Serling needs to step in and announce, “You are traveling to another dimension…”
I think the Repubs are using all this faux-support for their Stepford V.P. candidate to cover up stealing this election, either by mobilizing racist religious fanatics to vote for them, or via manipulating the computerized tallies if Obama wins.
Of course it’s true that religion has no place in politics, and I think that Obama is the only chance we’ve got to make sure it stays that way.
In the run-up to the 2000 election, my wife talked to a guy delivering a package, who told her that it was good for rich people to make a lot of money, because they would use their profits to create new jobs for people like him. It was then that we knew that the election would be lost.
It isn’t just the things Ian points out that make us incapable of returning to a position of competence as a nation. There is this learned helplessness that so many people feel, which makes them cling to the little bits they still have, and makes them incapable of listening to the rational arguments we make.
Oh sure, Canada is a clean country with polite people. And your beer is much better than our slop. But you still elected a neo-con government. Or were Diebold voting machines used to steal your elections.
Eh, America is a little fucked up right now. If McCain wins, I’m moving to Canada where everything is perfect. What the hell are you doing here?
Those things only matter to Republics during elections or when they have been caught stealing. They do not matter to them when it comes to governing. Their goal is to fool enough voters to get into office. Once there, they plunder at will and use their powers to punish. When the next election comes around, it’s back to being pious for a few months. McCain is that way. Palin is that way. It is sad that their voters never notice.
Think of the bewilderment of us non-believing non-militarist Americans whose families are specifically prohibited by our nation’s law! None of their crap speaks to any of us.
Perhaps there is an Honorary Canadian designation we could apply for that doesn’t require incredibly rare job skills, perfect health, and net worth of $300,000?
Still a minority. But yeah, not so pleased with the Cons. That stuff sure didn’t start in Canada, though. ;)
Things aren’t perfect in Canada, trust me. But they are better. Still our own neo-cons are doing what they can to fix that.
So we know this is how it is….. how do we change it?
As a single female living alone …. yes I do have family but they are scattered across the country….. I want that safety net….. I want people to believe Americans CAN and DO deserve guaranteed healthcare, vacation, sick days and that the government can help people, perform efficiently and effectively
A few days after my trip to Europe, Elmore and I were eating at a chain family restaurant with his adult kids, it was late as they work and go to college. We talked about our trip, both boys have been there, one on a class trip and the other was an exchange student to Spain. As we were leaving the waitress said….. she enjoyed hearing about our trip but really didn’t think that we(Americans) would every had those things…… that it was impossible…… this was a single mother with little or no support, safety net and insurance……WHY can’t we make people see what is possible?
Digg here.
I think the Belgians are going to take the rice and Clydesdale piss out of the Bud and make it better…I have dreams of a domestic lambic ale…please, if there is a god, please!
The thing about Canadian elections is that instead of a President, we essentially have 330 little elections spread all across the country, and you can win some of these 330 elections with a little more than 30% of the vote. The leader of the party who wins a plurality of the 330 little elections gets to be Prime Minister, even though hardly anyone voted for him/her, and in fact a large majority of the country voted for someone else. Then, of course, this person has almost dictatorial powers within the law. Imagine if the Speaker of the House ran the country instead of the President. And for some reason, even though on a good day almost 70% of Canadians vote for parties far to the left of the Democratic Party, we have a Prime Minister who is very comfortable with the Republican view of the world.
God bless you Ian. Keep fighting the good fight. I hope your family is well. ;-)
This US beer is excellent!
As long as he’s only in the minority the harm he can do is nothing another government can’t undo. If he gets a majority though, well, it will be a disaster.
What is called “politics” in this country is noting more than PR and marketing. It has so little to do with ideas and social, legal issues it’s a joke.
Religion has no place in politics and the same apples to “family”.
We are a nation of idiots.
I hope that the Loyal Opposition spends the election reminding the country that the Tories are essentially the same guys who ran Ontario into the ground while Mike Harris was premier, and are led by a guy who at the same time was leading the National Citizens Coalition, which for my American friends is analagous to Grover Norquist somehow becoming President some day. It amazes me that there has been no movement towards some kind of left coalition in Canada – the policy differences between the Liberals and the NDP are far smaller than those in coalitions between parties in Europe.
You know, this is what I find interesting. Americans will criticize their country and their government – but let that criticism come from a Canadian or a European or whatever, a certain amount of huffiness ensues.
I don’t get huffy – I applaud. We have earned a lot of anger from other nations and we must stop that with this upcoming election.
Hey yellowdog jim I dug your digg… thanks for opening it up for us pups.
Okay, so I generalized just a teensy bit!
No doubt, we will soon hear how both McCain and Palin pray correctly. We will also then hear how incorrectly Obama and Biden pray. Not much else matters to Republic voters.
I think it’s all part of trivializing the real issues: health care, equity, etc. This includes the charge of “class warfare” anytime the power and prerogatives of the rich are challenged. Trivialize the issues and all elections are, by default, about personalities. Then the right can win by being better at demonizing their opponents.
As proud ‘Mer’kans, we’re entitled to label those cheese-eating EuroTrash liberty-wannabe’s and puck-hugging donut-stuffing hosers any way we want.
Now watch this drive.
rofl!
ian – thanks for your description of the DNC.
i haven’t discussed by reactions very much online (many thanks to the few friends who were willing to hear me out). but i think i better now, if i’m ever going to.
my experience of the DNC was one of utter despair. i listened to most of the speeches (via cspan) and followed along here. by the night of obama’s speech i didn’t know what to do other than lurk. and i almost never lurk, if i’m reading in real time i’ll usually comment.
what i heard from the democrats were lies and hypocrisy and language designed to elicit a response from the base – without actually giving us anything to celebrate. for example, when obama talked about how disasterous the bush years have been for the country – didn’t that beg the question, “has obama done anything to limit the damage? and if not, how can we expect that to change once he is president?” now, maybe there are good answers to these kinds of questions and i’m just too stupid to see them. but was no one else asking them them during the speeches?
all i saw was cheering. and i had the impression that anything less than positive, including the questions i wanted to ask, would not be well received here by anyone. am i wrong about that?
only during the weeks immediately after 911 have i been so frightened for my country. and both times it was when it seemed to me that we lost something of our ability to see through the lies and the hype.
or maybe there’s something wrong with me, because all i felt was sick at heart and i’m still trying to figure out where to find a bit of hope that makes sense.
Feel better now?
are we any more idiots than other people? or is it just that we are so sure of our own goodness and rightness that we are wearing blinders?
Happens everywhere, I think, not unique to Americans. And fair enough, though my reverse line is “I never write about Swiss politics.” American politics is fair game for foreigners because what you do matters so much to people who don’t get a vote.
Well, maybe I can blame my Canadian birth, in spite of my 20 yrs of service in Uncle Sam’s Army, for my disgust for the Dems and their crass embrace of God, the military and the Flag…!
I’m a whole new Christopath.
I think that with the rethugs the GOP is their religion and the rest are the excuses and their battlecry.
Yeah, at the very least the NDP and Liberals should make a strategic alliance (you don’t run in these places, we won’t run in those places). They’d annihalste the cons.
Ian- to quote Teddy-
Thank you Teddy.
Okay, Ian, this hit a nerve. I lived in the UK for 10 years- a CAian transplanted into the wonderworld of Cambridge. One of the Viet-Nam generation, me. And, even so, I got REALLY tired of “You Yanks, blah blah blah” etc. etc. I can be as critical as it comes as to the current state of things in the US.
But, as I said, your post hit a nerve. And, has put me in a rather snitty mood. I am not claiming that the US is the best, but my god, we have encompassed and endured a lot. I’m sorry, but I’m not really up for the holier than though attitude.
is it new or is it just that i’m only now seeing it?
I really hope that the Clintons won’t sit on the sidelines hoping to run against McCain in four years. We cannot survive four years of McPalin.
And malt vinegar on the fries…come on!
thank you CT!
That makes sense – but Americans are also subjected to an incredible amount of propaganda about their own greatness and the uniqueness of their values.
Even Obama’s and Michelle’s speeches were part of that propaganda – reinforcing the myth that if you work hard enough and have enough courage and determination, you can become anything you want.
the politics of fear:
http://www.moviesfoundonline.c…..tmares.php
For what? ;-)
All nations hand down propaganda, not just the US. It’s not particularly harmful because most citizens don’t take it literally for long. It’s sort of like Santa Clause.
good point about the level of propaganda we are subjected to. and yes, i thought that was what obama’s speech was (only heard barack’s).
There are times when I manage to work up some sympathy for the fundies. These are people who are for the most part on the down side of society – they work very hard, don’t make a lot of money because they are not educated and are always afraid – of almost everything. Some slick salesman like James Dobson gets into their lives and they are offered salvation if they believe in some wispy something. The R’s decided they needed the fundies to win and now they have lost control of them. It’s a love-hate relationship in which nobody will win in the end. It will destroy itself.
I, for one, would like to know when, exactly, the international community is going to stop this madness going on within our borders. Clearly, we aren’t capable of stopping it. So, could you all get together and do a little intervention?
Or was that what happened to Freddie and Fannie this weekend?
Unless you are a republican.
It’s also the Clinton myth….it may be true if you’re the smartest kid in the room. A somewhat unique point of view..
Oh this has been coming for awhile. Every election since I’ve been alive has always featured a race to the middle; but this is different. This, I think, has more to do with the way the American culture is viewed by both the commercial and political media. There is “a way” to reach the majority of Americans. It is “American Idol” or “Survivor, the Swiss Season” (the Swiss are actually quite important), but the gist is that the subliminals have been sent out, the groundwork is in place, the lemmings are ready to march and there is “a way,” a predetermined equation that can unlock the subliminal messaging. We used to be a little bit more of an independent minded group; back when we really, really didn’t like tea.
Do you think that fundies have actually woken up to the fact that the Republics only use them?
how many Americans still think iraq was in some way a threat to us?
how many speakers at the DNC actually said otherwise? (i counted one)
are you sure about that? i’ve love to see some evidence, because that is not my experience.
Idiotic statements like this… “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama told O’Reilly in an interview taped Thursday in York, PA. “It’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”
Piss me off to no end…!
Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
Interesting Ian. Thank you.
yes.
I would have stopped cheering long enough to consider your question, even if I didn’t have an answer, as would many others here (and yes, I feel comfortable answering for them :D )
talkin’ straight off the top of my head here – but there is nothing ‘wrong with you’ . in my time here you have been consistent in your views and accuracy – many of us now hold the view you held couple years back. – someone has to be on the leading edge, just as many of us here found refuge at the Lake because everyone else around us had lost their mind.
discourse (and possibly the community’s evolution) would suffer without the questions – do not stop asking
Politicians always tended to elevate style over substance, particularly during an election cycle and I think you’re right that the election of Reagan marks the point at which style began to replace substance. The Bush/Cheney regime really raised the bar, chucking substance entirely. As long as they can control the narrative, it doesn’t require any resemblance to reality and anybody offering an alternative to the Bush/Cheney narrative will be severely punished, as was the case with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.
Ian,
FWIW, the Republicans, and by extension, the Democrats, are still fighting the cultural wars of the late ’60s.
In ‘68 it was all those DFHs protesting the war and acting like “unpatriotic ‘murkans.”
In ‘72, it was the Ds as the party of “Acid, abortion, and amnesty.
S2D2 is really all it is.
And if I am not mistaken, this “War Prayer” by Mark Twain was not published during his lifetime because it would have been too controversial and treasonous. Twain needed to keep earning and wanted to be beloved. But God Bless him for writing it!
Eckhart Tolle writes of religion used in the service of truth or in service of EGO. And for what you’re talking about, too, the conventions on BOTH sides of the aisle, something else Tolle writes about, bigger than ego, the COLLECTIVE ego.
During the first (popular) Gulf War I noticed that the networks NEVER announced the body count of Iraqis. Now, for this War the count is up to 800,000 estimated Iraqis dead. 4,000+ American soldiers dead. 30,000+ American wounded. How many suicides? How many homeless? How many broken marriages? How many Iraqi refugees. How many more humans to get on this horrifying assembly line? This focus will never be a national talking point, apparently.
Rachel Maddow said at the Repub Convention the video shots of a soldier’s widow receiving the folded flag and strong and stoic and clean cut soldiers were all performances by actors. They had to hire actors? Oh yeah… Republican SOP …. (When Biden started to talk about Georgia and Russia suddenly during his speech … that alarmed me. Obama and Biden have their eyes on polls of popular opinion. So, lets compete with McCain by echoing McCain?)
I started noticing there were maybe one or two healthy cracks in our collective ego (after Vietnam War… which threatened it A LOT, Tolle says, though many still remained impervious to question US’s never being wrong stance) back when Elian Gonzales stirred it up. People actually thought, hmmmmm … would he be better off with his dad in Cuba rather than in AMERICA??? That wouldn’t have gone in the 50s. With patriotism. Why would anyone not prefer America, home of the brave and free? Even at the price of being separated from a Cuban father.
Anyway, War Prayer is worth a read for sure. Thanks.
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Aloha, Tex! I dropped by the Beach House, but, nobody was home…! ;-)
Not quite yet but they will when all their dreams don’t come true. They are waiting for the Rapture but what will they think when it doesn’t come? – when they don’t make more money because they prayed more? – when their lives keep falling apart? This is not about religion – this is about ignorance and an inability to think critically. We have to keep pushing how important it is to educate children in every way so that they can contribute to society.
LOL.
i have been extra pissed off all day – ever since i read that transcript this morning.
If this post was enough to get you in a snit, then it takes nothing at all. I could have written a much, much harsher post than this, which is mostly an observational post.
It is also evident that Siun needs to arrange for a visit from one of her Iraqi friends, since the understanding of what it means to have to “endure so much” has obviously been lost. No Iraqi, Russian, Chechen, Somali, Chinese, Tibetan, Burmese, Vietnames, Loatian, Cambodian or any of numerous other groups would do anything but laugh at the assertion that modern Americans have “endured so much”. The only Americans who have “endured so much” as a group are almost all dead from old age.
Truly, truly amazing.
Having been brought up in the south you bet I have seen this. These people are not bad people – they are uninformed, uneducated and every day is a struggle. Their only hope is in another life and they believe they can only achieve that through what they do here. It’s the saddest thing for me to watch because I know so many.
I had to vent today at my place about it…!
I have this argument with offline friends. The bottom line is this: Republicans getting into office would be catastrophic. Obama, in my opinion, won’t do much of what needs to be done, but he will do some things that need to be done and he won’t do many disastrous and stupid things that McCain would do. Yes, that’s a “lesser of two evils” argument, but sometimes, that’s all you’ve got. And maybe he’ll surprise on the upside. I’m sure McCain won’t, I’m not entirely sure Obama won’t.
My favorite book on religion is “Heavenly Discourse” by C.E.S. Wood.
Retrieved from “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Discourse”
Yeah, it’s like this time warp. Can the Vietnam war please end? And are we going to be having similar arguments, in effect about Iraq, when I’m 70?
Please God, no. (oops, religion)
thanks cbl2. if there is one person who doesn’t mind, then i will try to ask my questions and state my views. and i will try to listen carefully to the answers i get.
I voted for HRC in the primary. That being said if they sit out the most important election in my lifetime they will be toast IMO. It means everything they have toured the country saying is a pack of lies and that the only thing they care about is political power.
When the pain of not doing anything is more than the pain of doing something. Look for when the Chinese start buying oil directly in Yuan. That’s when the credit card gets taken away by mummy.
Wow….looks fascinating. thanks.
I tend to believe that they do only care about political power and am eager for them to show that I am wrong.
Sadly it almost always is the lesser of two evils… but that means vote dem… for the lesser evil.
And remember: less is more.
There’s nothing wrong with you for feeling sick at heart over this, but there is a bit of hope. The ease with which the authoritarians were able to run roughshod over every institution (with the occasional exception of the courts) that should have slowed down their march towards a militaristic constitutional dictatorship was appalling. The utter impotence of the press and the Democratic opposition was sickening.
The hope is in the knowledge that being a weak back-bench Senator could become an effective leader to undo the mess. I’m not saying it’s a lock, but the skills for effective opposition are completely different from what’s needed in a constitutional restoration.
Here’s my advice. For now, ask those questions firmly, quietly and privately. After Obama’s won the election will be the time to agitate loudly. For now, we need to build independent constituencies for the issues that matter to us.
Ian, thanks for another great post. There are two traits that I am pretty confident no viable candidate for U.S. president is likely to have during my lifetime. Just out of curiosity, is it conceivable that Canadians could elect an openly gay or atheist Prime Minister?
Twain’s The War Prayer” was submitted for publication to Harper’s Bazaar, but on March 22, 1905, the editor rejected it as “not quite suited to a woman’s magazine.” Twain wrote to his friend Dan Beard (whom Twain had recited the story to before submitting it to Harper’s) and said “I don’t think the prayer will be published in my time. None but the dead are permitted to tell the truth.”
Because he had an exclusive contract with Harper & Brothers (the publisher of Harper;s Bazaar and Harper’s magazine) , Mark Twain could not publish “The War Prayer” elsewhere and it remained unpublished until 1923 when it was included in an anthology of Twain’s unpublished writings.
Juicy satire. Thanks.
omg, that is a huge BINGO! for me -
we migrated to Texas after 50 years in the Bay Area of California – and although as Californians we had families we loved and struggled with, the depth and strength of Texas family ties were so obviously greater – now, I knew socio-economics and tribalism would factor in to the ‘why’ – but man oh man does your one sentence unlock so much
and yes I know it isn’t what the post is about – just that I love when the tumblers click :D
ps. Mark Twain is always the answer when I’m asked the one person I would like to meet living or dead.
your description of the situation does not explain the real time response to the speeches – which was, i think, more in line with a fundy religious experience.
and i know what that looks like from my time before rejecting the church of my youth. makes feel like i’m going to break out with hives.
Atheist, sure. Gay… probably not.
Actually, I remember a huge roar when someone mentioned torture, and antoher one for “constitution”. The leadership is behind the membership, which is more to the left than they are.
All hope is not yet lost.
If Harper wins a majority in October, and McCain somehow wins in November, I’m thinking of moving elsewhere. Any suggestions on a sane political climate?
Thanks so much for that info, cinnamonape!
It shows how Huck Finn was masterful in that Huck’s persona was a safe way to say some profound things the country could handle (with some opposition there, too, granted, though I am as vague of the details on this as the former). “On the nose” truth telling too threatening.
The “emperor has no clothes.” That story never gets old, does it?
((( Ian )))
Great post … Obama will hopefully take a sharp left turn after inauguration … it’ll be interesting how much $$$ debt Bush will leave him with …
Teddy, this summer Elmore and I were asked over and over again if we thought Obama could win…. with such hope in their voices….. France, Italy, and Greece and from a whole bunch of UK tourists….. I think they still think there might be some sane people here who can yank this back from the brink……
after this last two weeks…. I’m not so sure…
Harper can only win a majority if the NDP & Liberals fail to unify and toss him out … possible but not likely …
I am baffled that this hasn’t already happened.
Really, what’s to stop the Russians, Iranians, Nigerians, and Venezuelans from telling China, EU, and India that they can pay in whatever currency they would like today? “All currencies accepted” seems particularly wise when the oil-denominated dollar is losing value against everything else.
What’s to stop them?
Dang, the Lake is infested with rabid Canucks today…! ;-)
LOL. Scandinavia, I think. Have to learn a new language, but so be it. Or maybe Belgium, though they have some high level political issues which are problematic.
Current polls are looking like a Harper minority, though, which is no big deal.
Little known to our American friends … Harper’s neo-con party was named Canadian Reform Alliance Party or C.R.A.P. …
When she endorsed him she said she would work very hard for him, so far I’ve seen nothing. I will never vote for her again.
((( CT )))
If it gets a bit colder, we’d be set for Pond Hockey … *g*
Very interesting post, Ian. Thanks.
Not that we will, but we would:
China gets offshoring from the US. It has industrialized through mercantalism, and mercantalism industrialization requires a host economy to work from. The US used Britain and to a lesser extent Europe.
However, the price is extremely high inflation and an outflow of profits. When that price becomes too high, and when they decide to go to a consumer driven economy rather than an export/mercantalist economy is when they will pull the plug.
Bear in mind, pschologically, that they also have a lot of US money, they pull the plug that money loses its value. It is always harder to let go of sunk costs than it rationally should be.
Also, it’d trigger a depression/recession. Of course, that may happen anyway.
Good thing Gregory Peck isn’t around.
After glancing at my earlier first paragraph, I owe Mark Twain and FDL an amends, don’t I? I shouldn’t have assumed. Twain had financial stress through parts of his life and I thought that was a consideration on this project. Sorry, Mark.
Lesson learned, though probably not for the last time. :)
don’t write her off yet. I understand she’s about to work very hard for him, very soon. She’s doing what they ask of her, till Palin, that wasn’t much.
The election campaign has only just begun … Hillary & Bill will campaign a lot for Obama during the next 3 months …
I imagine the U.S. will elect an openly gay President before an atheist. We may have already had a not-so-openly gay President.
A co-worker and I often debate which of us less likely to be elected President; he’s an atheist and I’m a fundie pacifist.
Yep, it doesn’t take a Canuk to parse that one out. It’s just the fact, Jack!
I agree with William Ockham in regards to this. Barack is not my first (or second, or third) choice either. But one thing is clear – he is not stubbornly fixed in one spot – he can be moved, unlike John McCain.
I have seen this advice from others as well. We all need to pick an issue or issues and get involved in a strong advocacy group that will ramp up immediately after the election and begin to put pressure on him to move in the direction we/you want. Everyone can’t do everything so pick the one issue closest to your heart and in the time between now and the election – research and find a group that meets your expectations.
Then, after the election, really work and help others to understand the why and how of your issue, recruit others, and let’s take back our country.
He’s part of the way on several things I am interested it – so this moveability is a good thing for us over the long term. Sure, he has moved in some directions most of us are pretty disgusted with – but I also think that with the right kind and lots of pressure from good groups – he can be moved in the other direction just as easily. And a big group can be and should be much more effective than a few campaign advisors to promote better change and ideas and programs that actually work.
Hope that helps.
Heh, that’s golden…! How long did it take before they realized it?
i don’t know why they weren’t booed instead of cheered for the dems complicity in both. that’s the disconnect i’m having. i don’t get the cheering.
or maybe i’m confused…. i was thinking that it was the same people being cheering for talking about defending the constitution were the ones that had just trashed in june. or did i dream the whole fisa debacle?
gotta run… but thanks for bringing up topic and for the discussion.
I’m not sure I believe those numbers, is all. I’m sure Canada would have even better numbers than that, I just don’t think I believe it. I think it would cost enough ridings that no party would risk it.
Gregory Peck is one of my all- time fave actors … some words of wisdom from him, “My feeling about him is that the America that we have today, the freedoms we enjoy and the privileges we have, are really the reflection of Abe Lincoln’s convictions, his vision, and his toughness.”
I think I’ll send that to Barack on a plaque, to help guide his strategy when he is POTUS
The NY Times has been reporting that she will be in Florida campaigning for Obama next week. She’s supposed to have been on vacation this past week.
I mean, she does get to take a vacation doesn’t she?
That would certainly be good news but I’m not sure I believe it. It would be interesting to see what the results were in regard to geography. Seems pretty likely it would conform closely to the red state/blue state political scenario.
A couple of weeks of mass ridicule … not the sharpest knives in the drawer, you know … *g*
The oil markets don’t work like that. As long as OPEC (i.e. the Saudis) is willing to cooperate with us Texans (after all, we were the ones who taught them how to do it, just google Texas Railroad Commission OPEC), oil will be a dollar-denominated commodity.
Lindsay Beyerstein is across the hall at the Silo!
Arresting Journalists an Official Policy at the RNC
ooh, pick me! pick me !
most of folks in that hall have not connected those dots. they see the Dems as the Dems of 30 years ago
we have sooooo much work to do
I didn’t get to vacation this year because even though my husband and I are working our asses off to pay for two children in college we couldn’t afford one. She’s has at least a month to vacation.
Yep, once Obama is sworn in, we have to grab on and pull hard to the left for 16 years …
Well, other countries are defecting one by one, and I think if the Chinese really put their foot down quite a few countries would give. But right now doing so would break America and they actually don’t want to break America.
yet.
Dinner time … anyone want a Corona with the Guacamole Dip ?
Here’s a bucket full, pass them around …
From Wikipedia:
Egad, beer from a clear glass bottle, is nothing sacred?
Damn. I must be Canadian. You’re absolutely correct and it’s disgusting. This is the first election, however, when I think the Democrats have been on equal footing with Republicans with the religious assault and that’s clearly by Obama’s direction (just one of many reasons I can’t support the man). Interestingly, one of the most, if not the most, devout Christian to run (and hold office) for president, Jimmy Carter, has been the least proselytizing and very strong on separation of church and state. The cheapening of service by categorization of all military personnel as heroes is nauseating as well.
Beaver Fever!!!!
She has been working for him.
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Ian- as I said, this hit a nerve. I’m not sure why. Maybe I was channeling my Cambridge days, and inappropriately so, in a purely emotional reaction.
Yes, my use of “endure so much” was a really poor use of the phrase. And, you are absolutely correct to call me out on that. I was, and still am struggling for words to say what I am trying to say. Here’s a stab at it- this is an incredibly diverse nation, and as such, have had some challenges that other nations have not.
And, yes, I agree that we are an ugly nation. I am ashamed of the way we have conducted ourselves, with a very few exceptions. And, having lived abroad for 10 years, I am well aware of the usually deserved contempt for the US.
And, when I came back to the US, I remember thinking, you know, I think a lot of people around here don’t even realize that the UK actually has different money (currency) than the US. And, thinking that many who went to Europe on vacations viewed a visit to Europe as a kinda visit to “Disneyland”, a romanticized fantasyland visit that had nothing to do with the reality of the places they visited.
My response to your comments was obviously a very personal one, and likely inappropriately so.
As I said, perhaps I was channeling my experiences in Cambridge. I still remember the very first phrase spoken to me, my first day on the job, when I was introduced to the head of the unit I was working in. He said “Oh, my, with a name like yours, I was expecting a Black Jew”. And, then I kept hearing from the same person, “oh, the US is so racist”. Uh, not that I differed from that opinion, but uh, maybe he was a bit racist himself. This was one person, but not an exception.
Yes, the US certainly is a “target rich” environment for criticism from abroad, and rightly so. However, perhaps I reacted in a very personal manner because your post seemed rather personally directed at all Americans, of which I am one. But, surely you must realize that people who hang out at FDL are not exactly of the “My country right or wrong” stripe.
That’s the best I can do at explaining my reaction to your post.
When I look through FDL posts, often I skim. When I see your name, I stop and read. You’re more skeptical than most.
Really? Are there oil producers selling directly in a currency other than the dollar? It’s been a few years since I followed this stuff closely, but the House of Saud, as the low cost producer, sells in dollars and the oil majors back them up, it’s very hard to create an alternate market. I could see the Iranians, Russians, and Chinese making a go at it, but there are (at least used to be) a lot inertia in the oil markets.
It is flag and cross that early on brought the curse of European politics to the New World. Whether for Carib,Mayan,Aztec.Whether for Cherokee,Chippewa,Winnebago,Kiowa or Apache. Flag and cross were brought to bear. Often,repeatedly,in ways not merciful,humane or with justice.
For Americans going into WW1 and WW2 the flag and cross were often mixed and seen as the same. Whether employed against the Hun or the Nazi or the pagan Japanese. The Cold War had large doses of American cross and flag.
Today we know the flag and cross are being pushed into American politics readily and in hopes of assigning highest moral or national position.
Americans are not backing off on flag and cross.
This is a dangerous thing. Very dangerous. Europe fell into wars over the cross that were ruinous. As for the flag we know the Europeans fell into WW1 in full pursuit of the flag as standard of national pride,glory and domination. By the the end of WW1(The Great War)Europe lay exhausted from the bloodshed,whirlwinds of death and ruinous destruction.
We Americans are in Iraq on premise of the flag and cross that surely is not going to have a good outcome for Americans. Mixing the cross with the crescent is truly a historic bad place to go. And that is where the Americans have gone. When then combined with the Stars and Stripes leading into the dubious realms of colonization,imperialism and militarism hegemon.
Ian does well to write about Americans and our clan,cross and flag mixing we do in our national politics and with our imperial and militarism missionary expeditions abroad. Iraq is surely not going to ever be a happy place for Americans to go/be with American cross and flag intents and desires.
Hopefully the Republicans will not win in November on premise of cross and flag politics in particular. They are mixing it up with Cross and Flag in ways that can not have happy endings. In Iraq. For America.
I think there’s another angle to this. And that is, to the Republicans especially, the National Government, increasingly over-run (from their POV) with minorities and “other people,” so they feel like they can no longer rely on government to be “on their side.” Consequently, their sense of support increasingly falls back on the family, as uncontaminated by those “other people”. So yeah, once again, I think that the flip side of the elevation of the family is the dark underbelly of racism.
Bob in HI
Hell no! Much better Asian food in Toronto. Who’s up for a run?!!!
I am! And we can indulge ourselves talking 9/11 conspiracy theories during the trip.
Actually, I thought Mark Twain summed it up best…
How likely is a Liberal – NDP alliance? I don’t see it.
Oh goody, I have been doing chaos model experiments of my own design concerning the possibility that a concrete and steel skyscraper would “burn” into its own foot print.
The awesome thing about wearing this tinfoil on my head is that you’ve always got a built in doggy bag!
Thai or Chinese?
No worries, you’re one of my favorite commenters, just struck me as off.
I honestly didn’t mean this post as all that pointed, I really was struck by the differences, floored in fact. Especially by Biden’s kid. Really, I was “what the fuck? How is this not totally inappropriate?” And yet when I talked to other people, including the DFH’s from FDL (except for Lindsay, who is Canadian) thought it was wonderful.
It’s really just odd. A European once said that in some important ways the US is still a 18th century country, and I think there’s some truth to that. the civil war was your defining moment.
I think if my stuff comes across as personal, it is because I expect better of Americans. I grew up believing your myths about yourselves. Perhaps its unfair to hold you to your own ideals, but the sad thing is that I think you would be both more prosperous and more safe if you lived up to them.
I want America to be what it says it wants to be. For you, as much as for everyone else who has to share the world (and the continent) with you.
Not going to happen this time around. Maybe next, we’ll see.
Thai, definitely.
less than two months
Iran sells oil in Euros and yen. Venezuela sells some in Euros.
Well I grew up in the 70’s when–while we still thought our ingenuity and work ethic single handedly won world war II–we were starting to include social study sections on Japanese American’s being interred and Wounded Knee and the Robber Barons of the West Coast.
We came in between the debacle of Viet Nam and the abject consumerism of the Reagan era. My Generation is not a Baby Boomer nor an “X” but we do have a pretty realistic understanding of how fucked up the country has become. And, while it hasn’t always been this bad, it has never been perfect. What it still has though, what still makes me proud of it, is the promise. There is hope in the promise and the dream that is America.
We must crush them, then.
Don’t sell the Chinese short (groan). They’ve got REAL Chinese food in Toronto. Last time I was there I think I had some mushrooms that had actually grown in the boat on the way over…now that you mention it, Thai’s good!
Hey Ian (and others), what Canadian political blogs do you recommend?
Prefer Chinese, meself, but Toronto has amazing Chinese in the right places. Unfortunately I don’t quite live close enough to Chinatown anymore.
I’ve lost track. I’ll pimp Pogge, which I used to write at and still have privileges at, and suggest asking there. They’re very very good, and before I wrote there I used to link to Pogge all the time (back when I was a Canadian blogger, which I’m really not anymore.)
Kirk’s got a new post
Republicans are traitors to the constitution and Democrats think they need to pretend to be Republican. Could somebody please tell Dean and Reid and Pelosi and Hoyer and Emanuel that there are at least one-quarter of American voters who are way more liberal than they are? I am so sick of this pussy footing around and following the reich wing.
Thanks. I’m a new Canadian, and this is the first election I’ll be able to vote in. While I’ve followed politics here on a “concerned citizen” level since I moved, I haven’t quite gotten to “nitty gritty” level. I need to ramp up.
Rubin “Hurricane” Carter has been saying for years that tribalism, not racism, is one of our country’s worst problems.
Thanks, Ian. And, thanks for the explication. Now I understand. And, let me also say that you are one of my favorite FDL posters. I believe I have mentioned this in the past, and especially appreciate the fact that you are always right into the conversation in the threads following your posts.
The comment about the US still being an 18th century country is true, though I’ve thought about it not so much as re: the Civil War, but rather the firm streak of Puritanism (pointed out to me by European friends), tho both are probably correct in some measure.
It’s interesting what you say about expecting better of Americans, believing the myths you grew up with. And, I agree that we would be better off, much better off, if we lived up to those myths. Deal is, we have hardly ever lived up to those myths. We have perhaps produced one or two great documents- The Constitution with Bill of Rights, but it is a continuing battle to realize the essence of those.
I grew up in a household where there was a pretty clear recognition of the hypocrisy of most of the religious-speak and the political-speak, so I guess I never got imbued with those particular myths. And, also, being of the Vietnam generation, well, I guess that made me a bit of a cynic too.
Anyway, thanks for responding. Yes, it would be great if America lived up to the mythology, or rather, lived up to what it says it wants to be. That is a continuing battle, and that push is really what motives most people who come to FDL and like-minded sites.
I know this is off-topic, so I won’t belabor it too much. The Venezuelan thing is a PR move. It gives traders an additional arbitrage opportunity, but not much else. We’ve forced the Iranians into their move, so not that much has changed. On the other hand, it provides the template for a move to the euro whenever the Saudis decide that’s in their interest. I have a feeling that when our empire falls, it won’t be a slow decline. Hope you guys are up for securing the loose nukes when it all falls apart here.
Fair ‘nough. Forcing Iran off the dollar wasn’t really smart though. They are #2 in exports after Saudi Arabia. I believe Russia has started selling some oil in rubles, too. I honestly think it’s only a matter of time, unless the US goes serious towards sopping up dollars and since neither Obama nor McCain are suggesting policies that will do that, unless Bernanke goes all Volcker, it seems unlikely.
pretty sure it’s going to be either both (now and later) or neither. otherwise i’m just making myself part of the propaganda and americans have too much of that already.
Once upon a time there was something called the Age of Reason, which shaded into the Age of Enlightenment.
That age is now over. We have gone to the Age of the Lizard Brain, where people are manipulated and controlled by targeting their emotions over their reason: paranoia, envy, xenophobia, alienation, etc. Faith, in the sense of accepting without questioning or examining anything handed down by authority, is now the ruling principle our Rulers want us to live by – or else.
Splendid post Ian
In describing the amount of time a complex discussion degenerates into terms fascism/nazism is XXXXX (senior moment here)
What is the term before Bobby Burns and his grand giftie is brought up?
Your mirror is near flawless, there is no distortion, if those peering into it allow its images.
When in need of protection from those bearing cross and flag, I recommend breaking out the Robert Maplethorpe. ;-)
wow,
that was AMAZING Ian. I cannot tell you how much I benefit from your work here at FDL. It’s always hugely enlightening to take a look at the US through the eyes of one not born here! Try as i might to be objective, it’s just impossible on the finer points cause I was raised in all of this.
You are a treasure, and a complete asset to each one of us who reads your good work!
Thank you!
siri
Excellent post, Ian. What really makes one crazy is the dissonance in all this. For while Family, God, Country and the Military get promoted and cheered as imaginary ideal, in actuality the Family is splintered and shattered by geography and economic necessity, God becomes Mr. Fix It for all moral lapse, Country equals just a fluttering Flag and the Military is given the attention of a good video game…compelling in the moment and forgotten in the next instance. Hypocrisy, paradox and cognitive dissonance rule!
I remember — about 20 (?) years ago, some retired European leader died (I think it was France.) At the funeral, his wife (of many years) and his long-time mistress sat together at the funeral. They had their arms around each other, and seemed to get along very well.
While this is good, I can’t help but wonder: if he had a mistress, why stay married? I can’t understand it. And why be married at all? (Esp. long after the children were grown.)