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	<title>Comments on: John McCain: Aspiring to Be Our Next Vanity President</title>
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		<title>By: ptbridgeport</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/john-mccain-aspiring-to-be-our-next-vanity-president/#comment-1617638</link>
		<dc:creator>ptbridgeport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No news, Georgette. His being broken and signing the confession and denunciation of the US was laid out by his bio ghostwriters long ago.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No news, Georgette. His being broken and signing the confession and denunciation of the US was laid out by his bio ghostwriters long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgette Orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgette Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was absolutely *astounded* to hear him say last night that he’d been broken by his captors, saying without saying explicitly that he’d given more than name, rank, SN. Of course he then had to say that his comrades-in-arms told him it was no biggie, not to worry, they loved and respected him anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
      Do you suppose this was a preemptive strike because there’s some very unflattering news–i.e., the truth–ready to break?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The man is not a hero. He’s only a survivor. And yes, I suppose I am impugning his honor. Or would be if he had any.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was absolutely *astounded* to hear him say last night that he’d been broken by his captors, saying without saying explicitly that he’d given more than name, rank, SN. Of course he then had to say that his comrades-in-arms told him it was no biggie, not to worry, they loved and respected him anyway.<br />
      Do you suppose this was a preemptive strike because there’s some very unflattering news–i.e., the truth–ready to break?</p>
<p>The man is not a hero. He’s only a survivor. And yes, I suppose I am impugning his honor. Or would be if he had any.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgette Orwell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/john-mccain-aspiring-to-be-our-next-vanity-president/#comment-1617396</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgette Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you! I’ve been cranky and discouraged all day after listening to last night’s trash, but this really cheered me up. I’ll be e-mailing it around like crazy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! I’ve been cranky and discouraged all day after listening to last night’s trash, but this really cheered me up. I’ll be e-mailing it around like crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: revday</title>
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		<dc:creator>revday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“McCain’s was a Navy family - Dad and Grandpa were *admirals”.*&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Opps. I hate when that happens. Thanx.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“McCain’s was a Navy family &#8211; Dad and Grandpa were *admirals”.*</em> </p>
<p>Opps. I hate when that happens. Thanx.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your basic point is sound - lots of pressure from peers and any military family NOT to accept early release.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, your details need work.  McCain’s was a Navy family - Dad and Grandpa were *admirals.*  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;btw, anybody ever see the “Cold Case” episode where the murder victim was, in fact, an ex-POW who “broke” and got home early?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your basic point is sound &#8211; lots of pressure from peers and any military family NOT to accept early release.</p>
<p>But, your details need work.  McCain’s was a Navy family &#8211; Dad and Grandpa were *admirals.*  </p>
<p>btw, anybody ever see the “Cold Case” episode where the murder victim was, in fact, an ex-POW who “broke” and got home early?</p>
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		<title>By: portorcliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>portorcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK…this sounds like the “Games that People Play” dysfunctional psych you get when One person is OK and the Other is NOT OK. These are psych positions selected in childhood and reinforced throughout adulthood. Each game allows the person to receive EXACTLY the psychological PAYOff they desire; e.g. to be attractive…to be clumsy…to be stuck…etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is what describes the game RAPO:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rapo&lt;br /&gt;
This is a game in which a woman (White) and a man (Black) are the main players. It can be played with varying degrees of intensity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First-degree Rapo involves White mildly flirting with Black, signalling she is available and interested. Once he’s committed himself to the pursuit, the game is over and White has won. The payoff is being found attractive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In second-degree Rapo, the payoff comes not from the compliment, but from the enjoyment of rejecting Black’s advances (”Buzz off Buster”). White leads him into a much more serious commitment, and enjoys watching his discomfort at being rejected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Third-degree Rapo ends in a false accusation of rape. White leads Black into a compromising physical position before claiming criminal assault or permanent psychological damage. She usually involves a number of other players at this stage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Black is often a willing participant in these transactions, playing a version of another of Berne’s games - Kick me. The aim of Kick Me is to prove your misfortunes are greater than anybody else’s, and thus gain sympathy. It’s a type of inverse-pride at being the worst-off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK…this sounds like the “Games that People Play” dysfunctional psych you get when One person is OK and the Other is NOT OK. These are psych positions selected in childhood and reinforced throughout adulthood. Each game allows the person to receive EXACTLY the psychological PAYOff they desire; e.g. to be attractive…to be clumsy…to be stuck…etc. </p>
<p>Here is what describes the game RAPO:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rapo<br />
This is a game in which a woman (White) and a man (Black) are the main players. It can be played with varying degrees of intensity.</p>
<p>First-degree Rapo involves White mildly flirting with Black, signalling she is available and interested. Once he’s committed himself to the pursuit, the game is over and White has won. The payoff is being found attractive.</p>
<p>In second-degree Rapo, the payoff comes not from the compliment, but from the enjoyment of rejecting Black’s advances (”Buzz off Buster”). White leads him into a much more serious commitment, and enjoys watching his discomfort at being rejected.</p>
<p>Third-degree Rapo ends in a false accusation of rape. White leads Black into a compromising physical position before claiming criminal assault or permanent psychological damage. She usually involves a number of other players at this stage.</p>
<p>Black is often a willing participant in these transactions, playing a version of another of Berne’s games &#8211; Kick me. The aim of Kick Me is to prove your misfortunes are greater than anybody else’s, and thus gain sympathy. It’s a type of inverse-pride at being the worst-off.
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		<title>By: revday</title>
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		<dc:creator>revday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A Hero’s b.s.&lt;br /&gt;
I haven’t yet run across this any where else. But, McCain’s POW story leaves so many elements out. I thought I would fill some in. Growing up in a career military family, I was made explicitly aware of what fellow soldiers/sailors would do if you turned traitor. A traitor would include anyone who ran away, or said more then name, rank, and serial number when captured. The list of traitorous acts is much longer, depending on rank and specific platoon or company standards, but these two are the most relevant for this post. If you are identified as a traitor during war your platoon or company commander would simply shoot you down. Happens often according to military lore, my father, my Navy trained brothers, and the training I received when I was in the Army myself. Friendly fire takes on a whole new meaning doesn’t it? McCain was captured and offered early release. He would have been considered a traitor by anyone in the military if he had been released from the Hanoi Hilton. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain’s father and grandfather were four star generals which means they excelled in military school and John was  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srbX26vp57c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fifth from the bottom&lt;/a&gt; of his class in Annapolis. His otherwise unlikely acceptance at this prestigious school is directly attributable to his fathers rank and history in combat. This isn’t smack, just the rules of entrance. Because of his educational career McCain would have been considered unfit for promising promotions and would not have had a very successful career in the military. I would surmise that his family was also disappointed in him. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given these seemingly disparate facts I have the notion that if McCain had agreed to leave capture, when offered, his own company would have finished him off themselves or his father might have killed him with his bare hands. I believe the wrath of an utterly humiliated, career compromised, second generation, four star general, father, during war time is not something one might live through. As I always heard growing up, “War is hell” (My father, may he RIP, the Army pilot, 1928-1989).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My argument is that Johns “heroic” act of refusing release was probably a choice between leaving and dieing by said friendly fire or staying put and perhaps staying alive. With a well respected general as a father McCain might, thankfully, have been spared spawnicide and arrived home as a dead hero. Shot down during combat. Maybe lost at sea. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain’s take on his “honorable” decision to remain in the face of torture just reeks of b.s. and over compensation for the actual circumstances.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Hero’s b.s.<br />
I haven’t yet run across this any where else. But, McCain’s POW story leaves so many elements out. I thought I would fill some in. Growing up in a career military family, I was made explicitly aware of what fellow soldiers/sailors would do if you turned traitor. A traitor would include anyone who ran away, or said more then name, rank, and serial number when captured. The list of traitorous acts is much longer, depending on rank and specific platoon or company standards, but these two are the most relevant for this post. If you are identified as a traitor during war your platoon or company commander would simply shoot you down. Happens often according to military lore, my father, my Navy trained brothers, and the training I received when I was in the Army myself. Friendly fire takes on a whole new meaning doesn’t it? McCain was captured and offered early release. He would have been considered a traitor by anyone in the military if he had been released from the Hanoi Hilton. </p>
<p>McCain’s father and grandfather were four star generals which means they excelled in military school and John was  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srbX26vp57c" rel="nofollow">fifth from the bottom</a> of his class in Annapolis. His otherwise unlikely acceptance at this prestigious school is directly attributable to his fathers rank and history in combat. This isn’t smack, just the rules of entrance. Because of his educational career McCain would have been considered unfit for promising promotions and would not have had a very successful career in the military. I would surmise that his family was also disappointed in him. </p>
<p>Given these seemingly disparate facts I have the notion that if McCain had agreed to leave capture, when offered, his own company would have finished him off themselves or his father might have killed him with his bare hands. I believe the wrath of an utterly humiliated, career compromised, second generation, four star general, father, during war time is not something one might live through. As I always heard growing up, “War is hell” (My father, may he RIP, the Army pilot, 1928-1989).</p>
<p>My argument is that Johns “heroic” act of refusing release was probably a choice between leaving and dieing by said friendly fire or staying put and perhaps staying alive. With a well respected general as a father McCain might, thankfully, have been spared spawnicide and arrived home as a dead hero. Shot down during combat. Maybe lost at sea. </p>
<p>McCain’s take on his “honorable” decision to remain in the face of torture just reeks of b.s. and over compensation for the actual circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/john-mccain-aspiring-to-be-our-next-vanity-president/#comment-1617305</link>
		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McCain wants to talk mostly about what happened &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9598_mccain_acceptance_speech_republican_convention.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;40 years ago&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Number of sentences in John McCain’s acceptance speech about his experience as a POW in Vietnam: 43.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Number of sentences about his 25 years in the House and Senate: 8.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would someone wake up the Democrats and remind them that they still need to campaign?  Please stop McCain!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain wants to talk mostly about what happened <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9598_mccain_acceptance_speech_republican_convention.html" rel="nofollow">40 years ago</a></p>
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Number of sentences in John McCain’s acceptance speech about his experience as a POW in Vietnam: 43.</p>
<p>Number of sentences about his 25 years in the House and Senate: 8.
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<p>Would someone wake up the Democrats and remind them that they still need to campaign?  Please stop McCain!</p>
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		<title>By: portorcliff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/05/john-mccain-aspiring-to-be-our-next-vanity-president/#comment-1617301</link>
		<dc:creator>portorcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dayam….I saw Doug MacArthur (Before he was fired) too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dayam….I saw Doug MacArthur (Before he was fired) too!</p>
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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McCain will be wired and more heavily sedated than normal to get through the debates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain will be wired and more heavily sedated than normal to get through the debates.</p>
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