I remember, years ago, when the news of torture in Iraq first came out, I wrote an article entitled US Finally Treats Iraqis Just Like Americans. The point was that abuse and rape is so rife in US prisons and jails, that waterboarding and stress positions are really only embellishments. To an outsider it is evident that the US police and prison system is out of control.
So when I read that police in St. Paul pepper sprayed a jailed woman over her entire body, then refused to let her wash it off—I’m not surprised. When I read that a number of prisoners were on a hunger strike to convince guards to get medical care to an anemic women who had passed out, I’m not surprised.
‘Cause here’s the truth. Shoving people around can be a lot of fun. And being a cop or prison guard lets you do it almost as much as you want to. As a practical matter, brutality and abuse of power almost never leads even to a slap on the wrist, let alone being fired or criminal charges. Don’t piss off the really important people (of whom there are fewer and fewer every year) and you can be a petty tyrant to anyone else you please.
A lot of cops are good folks, but a lot of people who join the police or become prison guards do so because they want authority, because they want to be "the man". Once inside, they join a society which has a strong undercurrent of hostility and contempt for civilians, who are seen, in many cases literally, as either sheep or criminals. In part this is natural, police interact with people when they’re at their worst or weakest—either with people who have committed crimes, or people who have suffered crimes. Neither group comes across well—the first are scum, the second are often shattered and seem weak. That’s the police life, day in, day out. So many police come to see civilians through that lens, because that’s most of what they see of civilians.
Add to this contempt the attitude of those who direct the police in operations like this, such as the Bush Secret Service, who have been corrupted by Bush into his Praetorian guard whose main job is less security than making sure no one can ever show dissent anywhere Bush could possibly see it, and you have a real problem. Most people are very malleable, they do what people in authority tell them to. People who stand up to authority are very rare. Police, by the very nature of the job, don’t actually tend to be mavericks, movie stereotypes aside. They tend towards authoritarian personality types. They like to give orders and they like to take orders. Sure, there are exceptions, but they are definitely not the rule.
Combine the fact that cops see civilians as an out-group (not like us) with official encouragement and fear mongering (terrorist anarchists) along with the personality profile of many folks attracted to the job and you have a group which is primed and ready to be brutal towards people they believe "deserve it". Add to that the fact that police being disciplined for brutality and for violating people’s rights is actually quite rare, add in dollops of new police powers given by Congress, the executive branch and the Supremes over the last few years, and it’s practically a guarantee of police abuse of power, the destruction of the right to assembly and the end of real free speech. (The joke about free speech zones, of course, is "wasn’t the entire country a free speech zone?")
Police are probably necessary in society. I do say probably, because large and complex societies often had far far fewer people performing police functions than modern societies and most modern societies have even fewer than the US does. But as with standing armies, they’re profoundly dangerous not just for all the reasons listed above, but because large paramilitary forces (and US police are paramilitary, they have been systematically militarized, first by the war on drugs then by the war on terror, over the last 30 years) inevitably not only have to justify themselves by doing something (and what they’re best at is violence against civilians), but also provide a temptation to those in power. Why listen to people, why fix problems, when those who complain about the problems can just be intimidated or beaten into silence?
So a society which is really concerned about liberty and freedom has to watch its cops very carefully. They can’t be allowed to get out of control, to forget that they exist to serve civilians, not to shove civilians around. In the US the evidence is that the line has been crossed. This happens so regularly now that it’s just expected. It’s hardly commented on in the press, despite being the exact same behavior that has the press so excited and outraged when it happens in other countries like China. No major politician can be bothered to call it out as inappropriate. It’s just the new normal.
And so it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that if the US isn’t exactly a police state, it’s certainly not a free state. And with more people locked away than any other country in the world, it’s also impossible not to conclude that it’s also a prison state. Violence and the threat of violence is so endemic in the US that most Americans don’t even notice any more that they live in a an incredibly violent society which is kept on track by intimidation, and when necessary, actual violence. They don’t notice that their cops are out of control, ill-disciplined and essentially above the law.
Instead it falls mostly to those of us from outside, or Americans who have lived elsewhere to say "there’s something wrong here. Something deeply pathological."
More on this in some later pieces. For now, though, look at the US, at the RNC, at your prisons, as if you weren’t American, and see what you see. Because I can tell you now, no other western first world nation is like the US in this regard. And it’s not one of those things Americans should be proud of.



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There’s something wrong here. Something deeply pathological. Something very Republican.
Nothing can be corrected so long as Republics have any power.
Thanks Ian
but a lot of people who join the police or become prison guards do so because they want authority, because they want to be “the man”.
I refer to it as “having a God-Complex”.
I only have a good quote that sums up my feelings:
“the State is in essence the result of the successes achieved by a band of brigands who superimpose themselves on small, distinct societies.” Bertrand de Jouvenel, On Power (New York: Viking Press, 1949), pp. 100–01.
The federal government has ignored the law for nearly 8 years. When the feds are put in control of local police, can we expect them to act any differently?
Here’s another one:
In this century, the human race faces, once again, the virulent reign of the State – of the State now armed with the fruits of man’s creative powers, confiscated and perverted to its own aims. The last few centuries were times when men tried to place constitutional and other limits on the State, only to find that such limits, as with all other attempts, have failed. Of all the numerous forms that governments have taken over the centuries, of all the concepts and institutions that have been tried, none has succeeded in keeping the State in check. The problem of the State is evidently as far from solution as ever. Perhaps new paths of inquiry must be explored, if the successful, final solution of the State question is ever to be attained.
-Murry Rothbard
Well, I know our education dollars are now being redirected to build new prisons. We are really sinking as a country. Prisons and building prisons and keeping disagreeable people down is right at the top of the agenda. Those GOP delegates are sure focused.
A guy from my high school class applied to and was rejected by two or three police departments in our region. He was finally accepted by San Quentin as a prison guard. He really knew his calling.
Great Post Ian!! I have been observing the dissolution of the moral character of our police for years! The last eight years have just accelerated the process. We need to reign in this abuse of power from the very top to the lowly foot policeman. Yes there are many good if not great police out there but it seems their numbers are dwindling.
We live in a country where prisoners are often forced to wear “auto-stun” belts.. basically torture devices belt into their manacles, where young children are imprisoned with adults, where one in four African American males are in jail or on parole, where prisons lack mattresses and the inmates sleep on wire frames, where a mentally ill prisoner in Pelican Bay was boiled alive and then rubbed down with wire brushes and his murderers were then given slaps on the wrist, and where nonviolent anti-war groups are routinely subject to surveillance. Why should we be surprised when the “man” cracks some skulls in his zeal to suppress free speech? Drastic, comprehensive reform is needed.
Better news (which I’m sure somebody here has already brought up on past threads, but I’m so happy about it I thought I’d repeat it OT here): http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI…..index.html Reid might finally move to deal with his Connecticut treason problem.
(and US police are paramilitary, they have been systematically militarized, first by the war on drugs then by the war on terror, over the last 30 years)…
In other words – dishonestly…
For there is no war on drugs.
And there is no war on terror.
Ian again great Post here is the DIgg for such a fine post!!
so what are we the people going to do about it?
Excellent post, Ian, but I think that this is what the police is for.
These people work for us. What do we DO about it? How do we either rein it in or cut off its funding?
I’m completely serious. This is a real problem and I have no idea how to address it.
Where is Amy Klochbar in all this? Who contacted her office and what did she have to say?
Republicans on the NewsHour being allowed to spout their blather with no questioning of their talkingpoints.
Gary Bauer just said that Palin would encourage women to back McCain. Polling data indicates the opposite.
Another Republican says that McCain will take on the entrenched interests. His campaign is up to its eyelids in lobbyists who represent those interests.
Reid might finally move to deal with his Connecticut treason problem.
From your cited link:
“You know, it’s a little bit sad, because Joe Lieberman has been a distinguished public servant.”
Now I realize that Bill Richardson is not Harry Reid, but I would imagine that Harry’s reaction will turn out to be roughly the same.
“Oh Joe, you’ve disappointed us. Got another $250,000?”
“Thanks, see ya around the building.”
Norm Coleman up
and he be preaching the Gospel of BiPartisan
that’s really true nahant. I have a friend who was in the force in my little town. He was (and is) a trained SWAT officer. He recently quit and moved with his family to Cali to take up another carreer. He never told me exactly WHAT the problem was, but said that what was happening was NOT why he went into law enforcement (a gulf war vet). He said he wasn’t “that kind” of man, and he couldn’t stand for or hold with the department. He left a career he dearly loved and wanted, but in the end, could not reconcile with something going on in there. That was a huge loss. This is a good man. We are a lessor community because Keith decided to leave. I’m still sad about it, and know to lay very low with the local cop shop.
sad. really sad.
OT – just watched the clip of McCrazy being met by the Palin family (including Bristol’s, umm, fiance) at the airport. McCrazy gave him an awkward hug, and a playful little tap on the cheek.
I’m surprised Johnny didn’t high-five him.
It’s a good post Ian, but you’re going to have to get a lot more bitter if you’re going to give Joe Bageant a run for his money…
I almost can’t read this. What has happened to our country, that random violence is seen as good and necessary. Are ordinary citizens the enemy? What happened to peaceable assembly?
You’ll want to check out the full story of that airport greeting…
Surely St. Paul has to realize how much this is going to cost the city in many ways (settled lawsuits, bad publicity, etc.)?
But more importantly – yes, this is unfortunately indicative of a nasty trend in police forces around the nation (big and small). It’s an infection of mentality and temperament that’s caused by the current admins flouting of law
Yep. And saying “way to go, stud.”
It went with the rest of those parts of the Constitution that the reichwing don’t like…
Shredded I say Shredded I say!! Bush “Just a piece of paper”
lol.
Homeland Security.
Keeping the Homeland Secure.
some of us here get it too – at least in part.
The police are for law enforcement and catching criminals. They are not for intimidating the peaceful law abiding citizenry with assault and abusive behavior.
i just posted this in an earlier thread of lindsay’s.
from starhawk’s update (via listserv, the complete update should be posted on her website soon), she writes, in part:
wow Ian highly informative post. I so wish I could audit an Ian class. thanks
loosely related stuff -
now, does everyone recall when local police departments first started getting helicopters and were busy terrorizing suburban neighborhoods in the middle of the night – jus cause Jimbo wanted to break out the new shit, prolly reached it’s pinnacle with Darrell Gates’ mobile battering ram.
I was thinking of that and of course all that cash being spent on tyranny in the Twin Cities . . .
This is the same Federal Govt that has slashed Community Policing by half in the last three years alone
violent crime isn’t up simply because of the economy, unemployment, etc. – they cut the neighborhood cops and all the real money is going in to what I’m sure are some ‘vendor specific’ programs, I mean rully, what self respecting crony makes their cheddar off the cop on the beat ???
OT: http://features.csmonitor.com/…..e-is-over/
Don’t know if anyone has posted this yet; but it is abject proof of right wing media whores peddling themselves with one opinion on the MSM and holding another, entirely different, opinion in their hearts.
You will all cry for the Noonster, I swear!
ot – listening to the rnc speeches the outsider talking point is being pushed. (dc sucks, palin is not dc)
Mc$hame has been in DC for 26 yrs.
re. Cops.
“The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Twenty-four undergraduates were selected out of 70 to play the roles of both guards and prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building.
Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to have exhibited “genuine” sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early. After sensing that everyone had been too absorbed in their roles, including himself, Zimbardo terminated the experiment after six days.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..experiment
http://www.prisonexp.org/
Great post, Ian. I must say, I consider it equally scary to see private armies like Blackwater walking around the streets fully armed and armored. I consider that as dangerous as when I saw a battery of skinheads marching the streets of downtown Phoenix. Now that’s ballsy!
gee, what a bunch of ‘real men’
How many guys (and horses) did it take there to take down one guy in a pink shirt and fuck him up?
St. Paul’s “finest”. Spit.
reflecting on this further… i think that while we do see some of the violence, our views are narrow and so we see the source of our problems as restricted instead of something more characteristic of our society at large.
for example, it seems that Democrats can see the violence that comes from Republicans pretty well. but when for violence, especially federal police violence that comes from Democratic administrations, the Republicans see it more clearly than we do. and in this way, by misdiagnosing the source of violence, we help perpetuate it.
guilty as i charge myself.
you don’t have to convince me. just relating the rnc talking points – so we can know what to expect.
thanks for watching that video.
“The Stanford prison experiment…
Yeah, I’m familiar with it.
It does *not* prove that everyone, given the chance, will degenerate into a sadistic monster. A surprisingly high percentage, yes, but not all. There are still decent humans among us.
And most of them have found FDL.
One reason some police officers are emboldened to behave like thugs is that they enjoy a high degree of legal immunity for their actions. Local and state police are covered by state law, federal officers by federal law. Lawsuits for brutality are tough to prove and often face unsympathetic juries, although the increased prevalence of video coverage is a blessing (unless recording media are destroyed or videographers are attacked). Most politicians are unwilling or afraid to hold cops administratively accountable. Given the brutal behavior promoted by the Bush Maladministration, progressives should consider working to limit the legal immunity enjoyed by police until the temptation to act like criminals is better restrained by the foreseeable legal consequences.
the lesson is that even decent human beings can do horrible things. and that the biggest factor in protecting ourselves from failing is a recognition of our own capability for violence. thinking it’s a problem for others but not us, is a recipe for disaster.
Not a faux fur. Not even a feather boa.
I think my hippiness is showing.
Nude, drunk blogging evening?
Oh, here you are… Still no “convention thread,” so I’m still downstairs, talking to myself.
Jane will probably be liveblogging Palin’s speech, around 7:30 PDT.
With all due respect, what’s happening now is what you see if you pick up the rock and get to see all the little crawling things. They’ll be on their best behavior later.
They DON’T work for us.
They work for the interests of the 1%.
They are truly, a Praetorian Guard.
They don’t work for us.
And we’d best get ready to ACCEPT that fact.
I’m NOT sure, there’s much we can do, either.
Not unless OUR LEADERSHIP steps up and dismantles the system.
And like Obama’s FISA stand, history shows that leaders don’t usually dismantle things that consolidate power and control into the hands of the 1%. I don’t think we can expect BoyKing’s Executive Signings, or Darth’s Unitary Presidency to be unmolded, either, not even by Obama.
Best we can hope for is it’s all smoothed over and fewer innocents are hurt while the new boss same as the old boss does his thang.
But it’s not really HIS thang, it’s not Obama’s. No more than it was BoyKings.
It’s the 1%’s thang. Always has been.
Onliest way to move THEM off our dime, as history shows, is thru absolute natural calamity, or outright violent rebellion.
I’d bet money on natural calamity before I’d wage on rebellion.
This ain’t the America’s of our forefathers . . . and I don’t see the masses as revolutionaries . . . . sheeple, yes.
Sigh.
Great post Ian, you continue to dazzle this Larue.
I was JUST yesterday morning, waking up in the Sierra Nevada, at 4,600 ft., post a GREAT festival of 4 days:
http://www.strawberry.com
Tween the camp cooking (near gourmet at times) and the all night camp jams and the stage music, it was heaven.
Alas, the RNC and their reality has crashed my post fest glow.
Had to happen sooner or later . . . guess it’s time to cut off my wristband. *G*
Oh but surely Obama will, he’s for CHANGE!
It is highly comforting to believe that Obama will make everything all right again.
I’m awaiting the upcoming statement from the campaign condemning such police excesses as seen in Minnesota … any day now!
Heck of a read, Albatross, thanks . . .
I really liked the id of the ’progressive redneck’ label he introduces.
Good stuff . .
Yer handle caught my eye . . . and all I could think of was Peter Green N Danny Kirwin . . *G*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZHT2XvoLM
People who orgasm to the beat of jack boots stomping on their inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are sleeping better tonight knowing that their heroic local police departments have partnered-up with the FBI and the NSA to spy on all of the liberals, hippies, no-accounts, people of color, people who speak other languages, non-Christians, and other riff-raff that have asked too many questions, infiltrated their neighborhoods, and lowered their property values.
Identify the filthy, segregate the filthy, and exterminate the filthy, in Jesus name they prey.
Powerfully written, well observed, flawlessly mirrored.
Please consider the conflation of self-serving political ideology with and supplanting law as the major flaw driving the behavior, about the only issue I could add to your opus.
All the best…….