Comments on: On Labor Day, a New TV Campaign for the Employee Free Choice Act

By: billybugs

billybugs — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:03:31 +0000

American businesses often react to union demands by closing down and moving the operation overseas. This might explain why the only unions that have any power are the ones that represent government employees.Can,t move them overseas!
Close tax loopholes that allow american cos to operate overseas and not pay taxes on the profits they make.
Perhaps we even need laws that cap the amount of income execs earn
Create incentives to keep and expand business here, tax breaks loans etc.
Reform the culture of business ,businesses have a resposibility to there employees as well as thier investors and owners.
Unions might help some , but people have to have jobs to belong to unions so I guess the answer is do everything we can to create jobs and keep them here.

ps I haven,t seen any of those adds,just my own thoughts

By: paz3

paz3 — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:57:54 +0000

Instead of posting just your opinion and view of Unions, how about you addressing the issues that the article linked by ThatGuy in the LA Times:

Renewing America’s ‘contract with the middle class’
In the last 25 years, what is good for America and what is good for much of corporate America have gotten way out of sync.

…talks about?

What are your solutions to these matters, mainly the fracturing of and weakening of the middle class in the US, other than Union protection and the Union voice in the workplace? I’m hoping you aren’t just blasting the talking points of those running the anti-ECFA ads lately. So, here’s you debate, join in!

By: billybugs

billybugs — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:37:49 +0000

Are you trying to label me as a redneck because I don’t follow the party line? Are you sure you’re not a Repug yourself. I was offering my opinion because of what I see for myself not because of what someone tells me what I should think . It’s called debate, I get it do you?

By: foothillsmike

foothillsmike — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:10:09 +0000

Corporations essentially have unions. They will have their trade organizations, chamber of commerces, industry collectives etc., and yet if one person tries to organize with the person next to them they jump up and down in unison of course.

By: ThatGuy

ThatGuy — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:08:56 +0000

Perris, that’s a good way to frame it. But whe it comes to the election, we can raise the level of discourse once we’ve beaten the thugs down. Until then, it’s attack, Attack, ATTACK, all the doo dah day.

I still wonder whether it might not have been a better idea to let the Confederacy secede in 1860. The fundies could have their theocratic paradise and the nonsense that goes with that, and the rest of us could have a functioning nation.

I think Lincoln was wrong.

By: Elliott

Elliott — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:06:29 +0000

BT’s upstairs

By: TheLurkingMod

TheLurkingMod — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:05:35 +0000

Blue Texan is upstairs!
Sarah Palin: Dobson’s Choice

By: tbsa

tbsa — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:03:40 +0000

Thank you, thank you, for the best argument for unions I’ve ever heard. I will put it to good use.

By: perris

perris — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:55:45 +0000

when in discussion, invariably the person starts with,;.

“what about individual responsibiliy” and the answer is;

“I agree, that’s why I INSIST industry take responsibility for their own bills”

I use their language against their own argument

By: perris

perris — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:53:19 +0000

that’s a nice article

Renewing America’s ‘contract with the middle class’

here’s the way the conversation needs to be framed;

industry has expenses and they are not allowed to pass those expenses onto society, that is welfare for them

if an industry pays their labor so little the family cannot afford health insurance, then when their kid breaks his arm he uses public resources for his health care

THAT’S ME PAYING FOR IT, and it’s you paying for it and I DON’T WANT TO

therefore and obviously, an industry MUST pay enough wage for their labor force to have health care, and the only way to insure this is if THEY provide that health care, it is fine if they lower the wage of the laborer to compensate and in FACT, they come out ahead when they do that, they can get a FAR lower price then the individual and they can offer a wage lower by MORE then the health care costs, win win for industry and labor

that’s the first thing

the second

industry MUST pay enough wage for a family to put health food on the table, when they do not, I SUBSIDZIE that industry and I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT

they must clean up the crap they dump in my kids air and the cancer the pour into my wifes drinking water

they MUST provide time and funds for vacation and THAT will help keep the labor force living longer and more productive

they MUST provide enough wage where a person is not forced into servitude till the day they die, they MUST provide retirement funds one way or another.

these are ALL costs of product and when industry refuses to pay their bills THEN I PAY THEIR BILLS FOR THEM and I DON’T WANT TO DO THAT

that framing wins over every person I have ever spoken to regarding these issues even when they THOUGHT they were “republican”