Gotcher hazmat gear ready for the week PW?

Good Morning PW….. ya all that talk about cutting down the number of reporters and the number and amount of coverage because no one watches these silly little events… HA

I’d like to know cspan’s ratings. MSNBC didn’t do as well as CNN. I think a lot of their viewers were over at cspan

Gotcher hazmat gear ready for the week PW?

And a camera for showing us the empty seats at the, um, Event ?

PW!

I hope you have a lot of Holy Water, sage sticks, or juniper to use in cleansing your city and state at the end of the Republican Love-In.

Msnbc set up their set at a RR station. They were constantly having train whistles drown out everything. Not the smartest maneuver

I think a lot of their viewers were over at cspan

That’s where I went after Pat Buchanadana got on my last nerve….

Any numbers on world TV viewing size? most of Africa I would expect would show the entire speech.
Europe and the Arab countries would also likely cover at least part of the speech, plus there is online viewing for people who work odd hours have a computer but no tv etc.
Comparing the numbers to the number of McCain viewers should be fun.

CNN (10-11) — 8.07M
ABC (10-11:07) — 6.58M (Lead-in: Grey’s Anatomy — 4.01M
NBC (9:53-11:02) — 6.10M (Lead-in: NFL Games — 2.8M*)
CBS (10-11:03) — 4.72M (Lead-in: CSI — 5.30M)
FNC (10-11) — 4.22M
MSNBC (10-11) — 4.07M

And now, for those of you who missed them first time around, an encore presentation (re-run) of our photos from Obama’s speech on Thursday-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/o…..012030729/

and also sundry other pictures we took around town the previous Sunday-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/o…..936622813/

Once again, big props to MrsCO, aka Oxocube303, for her mad photoediting skilz!

I’m not too sure about the Love-In part. The GOP may be coming apart at the seams. Palin must have caused the elected goopers to take to the fainting couch.

OT – New Orleans gets “ready” for Gustav:

Unlike Hurricane Katrina, there will be no shelter of last resort in the Superdome. The doors there will be locked.

Lovely.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..gulf_coast

I wonder what the estimated BBC audience was? There is a chance it was bigger than the American audience.

Why just get food, water and some doctors with medical supplies over there and it should work fine.

A number of my co-workers, some of who have never watched a convention speech, saw it & thought it was great.

My boyfriend has a weird story about a George Will sighting at an airport…..

Elmore was waiting for a flight….. he sees this guy on his knees on the floor going through a newspaper cutting out articles, they guy is scooting across the floor on his knees in a pair of thread bare of slacks, shoes with very worn soles and dandruff (this was near where he was sitting)….. this went on for a while and Elmore thought it was very weird….. first time he ever saw someone do this (he is a 100K flyer) and then the guy stood up and then that is when he recognized him…

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834

Alaskan Governor’s child may be her daughter’s?

1. Bristol Palin left school for an extended period of time, due to mononucleosis according to her family for the last 4-5 months of Trig’s pregnancy. Some classmates claimed later that they had seen Bristol Palin pregnant.
2. Sarah Palin did not reveal to anyone outside her family that she was pregnant until 8 months into her pregnancy. Even then, she showed no signs of pregnancy. Alaskan news outlets commented on this, but did not go further. There are pictures of her at Super Tuesday (just a month before the baby was born).

Palin “pays homage” to Hillary, says MSNBC. Steals her script, you mean.

McShiller gets unfettered opportunity to drone on at great length.

Anybody seen/heard any mention in the McCainstream Media of Ron Paul’s contra convention? Nope, me neither.

‘m not sure if this is permalinked or not but here is a current picture of Gustav.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/EVENTS/EG44.JPG

It looks like one mean storm.

We watched it on PBS…. any stats on the number of viewers?

A little googling isn’t showing anything, but did turn up this;

http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes…..ew-outlet/

Ted Koppel has a gig with BBC America. I didn’t know that.

So far past weird you couldn’t get there from here…..the pundits *are* different from the rest of us. *g*

Isn’t it great? At least as interesting as being a secret Muslim.

MSNBC has nowhere near the distribution of CNN and Fox News…DirectTV and DISH–part of the Rupert empire. Add in controllers of major cable and you have real issues of censorship by tier$$$.

Bagnewsnotes.com has a photo of Palin and her daughters that looks recent, based on the youngest daughter we saw yesterday on stage. No sign to me that either older daughter may have had a baby recently.

Anyone know how to get access to the data on the web sites that covered the speech live? I watched it on an ABC site that fed the convention without the pundit commentary. Could be a bunch of people did t that way.

No sign to me that either older daughter may have had a baby recently.

Really? Look at her choice of dress:

http://www.people.com/people/a….._2,00.html

on the far left – Bristol.

Does Palin “look as if she has had a baby recently”????

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834

This piece also has links to two pictures which are inconclusive, IMO.

Repeat after me: secret baby secret baby secret baby…….

Around the world I’ll bet at least 100m people watched that fantastic speech. I hope they did ’cause that was the best.

Political Wire says Palin has 3 homes.

Almost everyone I know watched the speech on C-Span. I went to C-Span for Al Gore’s speech, and never left it.

And bgrothus@26 — I don’t think we should put any credence in those rumors. It’s clear that the child is Palin’s; the Down Syndrome points to that. I think it’s more interesting that the Governor of Alaska is so freaking invisible that she could be pregnant and no one in Alaska would notice it.

That’s a popular look right now, lots of the younger women I work with are wearing it.

I think the American People have simply had enough of being lied to. If this child is in fact her daughter Bristol’s, it says so many things, on so many levels about the hypocrisy that is rampant throughout the Republican party and their zealots, it’s just absurd.

“Look at what good Christians we are. We didn’t abort the baby, WE JUST LIED ABOUT IT AN FORCED ALL OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS TO DO THE SAME!

Teaching your children to lie at an early age…a Republican tradition.

NICE!

We should circulate these rumours so widely that they are forced to address them. Secret Muslim? Secret Baby!

I have no problem with this.

why do the McCains always look so uncomfortable? I have never seen people who have had so much exposure to the media look as if they would like to run screaming from the room.

What happens to a baby that is the product of incest?

Of course, I wouldn’t go THAT far. That would be counter-productive.

Oh, yeah.

PBS and online viewers were not counted.

No kidding!

The whole thing about Palin is that she’s a Fundie, and the Fundies love her — not least because she shows that they still control the Republican Party. McCain wanted to pick Lieberman, but was told the Fundies would bail.

DNA’s a wonderful thing.

Who’s yer daddy?

Shhhh…Phoenix Woman?

I know I wasn’t supposed to talk about it, but our deepest, darkest secret is gonna drive me crazy.

Those poor ol’ Repugs coming here to our lil’ ol’ St. Paul.

Coming home, so to speak.

The non-residents are staring at me Phoenix Woman. What is this deepest, darkest secret about St. Paul that is so desperate to come out?

Hint, hint: The Repugs are coming home!

I’m so sorry Phoenix Woman, I can’t help myself. I’ve got to tell them the truth.

Repugs, listen up! I know you think you are coming to St. Paul.

I know you expect a welcome as if you were a family member or long-lost friend coming home

But St. Paul wasn’t really the name we were born with.

Nope, twasn’t St. Paul at all!

The original name of the city that ya’ll are coming home to…it is really appropriate for you Repugs…that name is:

Pig’s Eye Landing

Sooie!!! Welcome Home!

ROTFL!

Exactly. That’s mentioned in the article to which I linked.

Oh, I just thought they wanted to run screaming from each other.

This all makes the Edwards story look tame.

Mornin’ Phoenix Woman,

there are lots of great little youtubes of folks waiting to get in to Invesco and from inside Invesco – while hunting about, I found this one – Winner of the Why Am I a Democrat youtube contest – certainly not aimed at those of us here but,
not bad

Looks like there were 2 or 3 or us; that’s where I was most of the time.

Look at the picture of Sarah with “her” newborn – shortly after having “given birth.”

copy/paste this into a google search:

Early-Childhood-Parenting-Examiner~y2008m8d29-Sarah-Palin-family-photos

Earrings? Check

Makeup? Check

Perfect hair? Check

Straight Talk McStupid picked a person for veep who has no business running the country in order to buy off the religious right. This whole thing is as simple as that….now he’s trying to sell his surrender to blackmail as a maverick move. Don’t let him get away with it.

Welcome Goopers !

Four of every 5 dollars that Alaska collects for its general government operations is revenue from oil royalties, taxes, and fees. Thanks to the wealth generated from the nation’s biggest oil fields, Alaska has no state personal income tax or sales tax. In addition, it has built up a $39 billion savings account that pays annual dividends from investment earnings to all residents. Much of the other revenue are Federal dollars generated from grants and projects. In fact, this mix actually gives Alaskans a net “pay-back” from the State Government.

Hmmm! What a great idea! Sounds a bit like European Socialism. Maybe the Federal budget could be made such that 80% of the budget comes from extractive industries. And Palin’s activities, especially after the FBI broke open the VECO case, increased that tax revenue from the oil and gas industries.

Could it be that Palin is “so popular” because she actually is Governor of a State that is so utterly at variance with the situations that confront most of the other States…low population, high corporate contributions to State economy.

And about her cutting the budgets for police and other law enforcement activities…sounds like her experience in Wasilla was that Crime simply wasn’t all that much of an issue. And “golly gosh” she WAS a high school jockette and beauty queen…so good stadium lighting and grandstands are SO essential to showing the Ivana Trump make-up at its best.

CFMA – Country First My Ass

The skinny kid hit just the right note about Palin — more of the same. McCain needed desperately to shore up his base so he went for the choice who is married to Big Oil.

Only place I was.

From DKos:

The governor’s water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.

um, a pregnancy which apparently never showed, water breaking unwitnessed and un-remarked upon, a 3,000 mile flight during which the flight crew report neither seeing or hearing anything ‘unusual’ about the Governor, a quick birth and back to work within a day or possibly two ??

Hey, I dunno, but if nothing else, it sounds like something worth looking at most thoroughly.

And the Gov’s daughter missed months of school with mononucleosis?

Could be, I guess – lots of ‘coincidences’, let’s call ‘em.

Among other things, I suspect the McCains have a marriage of inconvenience. When the photo ops for the day are over, they probably part ways. Not uncommon among the Washington “elite” but most of them do a better job of feigning compatibility.

NcStuid is owned by the religious right,,,nice.

Leave John McDesperate and Mrs. Jerry Falwell alone!

-G

I wouldn’t pursue the “secret baby” thing. Baby’s are hardly going to elicit the fear that “muslim” unfortunately does for some people. And quite frankly I think we’d come out looking like asses.

I think we’d be far better served keeping her “maverick” image from gaining a foothold. I think we’ve done a good job of countering McSame’s maverick image, now we need to make sure Palin is exposed as the pseudo maverick she is.

1) pseudo-mavercik
2) no national experience
3) tool of big oil

Of course ignoring her might be even better. She’s completely unknown and Republicans don’t have much time for people to get to know her, maybe we shouldn’t help them by focusing a spotlight on her.

If Obama had to release his birth certificate, and go through all the other vetting, and years of insinuation, I don’t see why they would object to having to take a DNA test to put these vile rumours to rest.

Yeah, right.

40,000,000. McCain can only dream of getting an audience like that.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP gets a lot of viewers, too. Some will be tuning in for the hurricane coverage, and may be disappointed to see Bush on stage. Others *will* be tuning in to see McCain, kind of like people slow down on the highway to look at an accident.

Anybody see this clip from a radio interview with Palin over at dkos? I’m probably being naive but I think this should put the kibosh on her nomination.

If you liked the folks that brought you the Schiavo fiasco, you’ll love Sarah Palin.

-G

Does the girl on the right look pregnant to you?

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska…..83-t3.html

And had Edwards been the nominee, and had the facts of his adulterous relationship come out during the campaign, he would have been subjected to the biggest shitstorm EVAH, and lost the election.

Just sayin’.

Oh, my!

This just shows yet again that Palin was shoved, unvetted, down McCain’s throat by the Fundies — he wanted Lieberman, but they wouldn’t allow that.

-Span is supposed to cover the Ron Paul convention. But, I don’t know when they are going to show it. or which one C-Span or C-span-2

“To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave,” Palin said.

Nice sentiment – but was it true?

Anybody wanna bet the networks have “learned their lesson” about not showing all the wonderful, powerful, speeches at the Democratic convention?

To make up for it, they are going to subject the nation to every hate and slander filled speech that the GOP lines up for their convention.

Holy SHit when was that taken

71 was response to plunger

I won’t be one of them. I can follow the storm on Sen Steven’s intertoobz.

Like my mom always said, “two wrongs don’t make a right.”

Just because Republicans are assholes, I don’t think that gives us license to attack a candidate’s daughter. First, I think it’s just wrong. And second, Republicans control the media so they can get away with acting like assholes, we can’t. We’ll come out looking terrible if we pursue this tactic.

If one supposes that Lieberweasel was bein told that he would be the veep choice before agreeing to speak before the convention, he must be one pissed of motherfucker.

He burned his bridges for nothing- so what’s he going to say? Will he praise this ticket at the convention?

After being stupid after my water broke (30 years ago) and did not go to the hospital until hours later….. during that time I leaked fluid all the time and needed to change my clothes and wear feminine protection to stay dry…….

Ya…. a flight that long…. she is full term, leaking amniotic fluid wedged into a plane seat (unless she is first class) the whole story sounds incredible…. and in labor….. this is her 5th pregnancy where labor time usually shortens with each delivery….. Some women are terrified that they will not even make it to the hospital due to the short labor time…. just shaking my head…

But it seems to me that the Caveperson had far less geography to govern, if that’s the word.

I want to add how glad I am for this thread. I want to keep alive the glow and the thoughts and hopes of the convention. Obama’s uncle, the Hillary grace, the time to see hope still lives, the Kennedy auras…we need these things to keep us strong and whole.

I do wonder if Rush would think of Ms VP as a feminazi; he loves to do lectures on what it takes to make a good marriage due to women’s gifts!! (What’s not to love?)

If they don’t already, I suspect party leaders are going to wish that he HAD tabbed Lieberman before this is over.

Wow. It takes a hurricane for Republicans to fill a football stadium with screaming people, but Democrats only need a speech.

-A picture of Governor Palin at home with her family that was printed in the Anchorage Daily News, taken six weeks before Trig’s birth on March 9th.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska…..83-t3.html

Dugg it

Here’s what doesn’t make sense to me. Why make up such a silly story in the first place. Why not just go home and THEN claim that labor pains are beginning?

I don’t buy it- but it is kind of a fun bit of speculation.

Yeah, enough with the ‘who’s the mother?’ but that story is total bullshit. Anyone who’s given birth knows that.

Which is sadder: that McCain was forced to pick Palin by the fundies or that Palin is the best the fundies could force on him?

I love this comment by Carrie from the post:

“The Obamabots sound angry. On second thought, they just sound worried.”

Angry? I don’t recall laughing so hard when I was angry. Worried? Yep, I’m worried the sun will fall from the sky this afternoon.

Perfect quote from article with photo:

“She’s seven months along? Unbelievable.”

Indeed.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/339576.html

Haven’t read anything yet cuz I just got here. Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ocmlmchLg

My point about flying while full term, leaking amniotic fluid and in labor goes to judgment…… This woman is the mother of 4 other children, the Governor of a state and she risks herself and her unborn child.

I do not care who the actual parent of the baby….. this happens in every family including my own (grand parents generation) but this flying 3000 miles in this condition goes right to judgment period.

Let’s see whether the wingnuts and the Media label Palin as an “exaggerator” like they did Al Gore…

Don’t know that either of them look 7 1/2 mos

What are the chances that the repubs cancel/delay their convention? It will be unseemly to hold it if Gustav is as destructive as it is looking. I’m thinking they won’t have a choice. No reflection on the repubs. I’d be saying the same thing about any party. We may be in for a major disaster. How can they hold a convention during that?

Actually I think that the fact that she is a Governor of a State which is practically a Socialist Republic…that gets 80% of it’s revenue from Big Oil (what a GREAT idea)…which is why even her experience as a “successful” Governor is dubious. Much of that is Constitutionally mandated…although she did introduce an excess profits tax and signbed a budget that cut out vast numbers of loopholes and credits for pseudo-investments in improving “efficiency” by these corporations AFTER the VECO scandal broke. She thus increased corporate taxes – rather than reducing them.

She ran a State that has an economy that funds itself entirely from taxing corporations. And it worked damn well. How does that jibe with McBush’s agenda?

Would she suggest that extractive resource corporations be taxed in a similar manner to that of Alaska?

She would have to argue that Alaska is a “special case”…and that would demonstrate that her “experience” in Alaska as Governor was really out of the mainstream to what most States face…major deficits, service cuts, pension crunches, reductions in services, flight of jobs abroad, etc.

This should all be fodder for Biden in any VP debate to show that her selection was simply pandering- to bring a woman on the ticket and throw a bone to the fundamentalists.

My

point about flying while full term, leaking amniotic fluid and in labor goes to judgment…… This woman is the mother of 4 other children, the Governor of a state and she risks herself and her unborn child.

I do not care who the actual parent of the baby….. this happens in every family including my own (grand parents generation) but this flying 3000 miles in this condition goes right to judgment period.

Of course you’re right. It’s an outrageous lie. It never happened.

Yes she flew home urgently, but not because her water broke, but because her daughter’s did.

No one in that picture looks as if they are going to deliver a baby in 6 weeks

The point is, that rather than coming out and saying honestly “our daughter made a mistake, but has made the choice to carry the baby to term, which we fully support” they have attempted to cover it up, out of some misguided sense of “shame” or “propriety”. They have misled the people of Alaska with some cock & bull story about how a 44 year old woman and mother of four carried a baby to term, and flew 3000 miles WHILE IN LABOUR, FERCHRISSAKES!
and nobody noticed?

How f*cking duplicitous do you have to be to try to pull that sh!t? Which brings us to: Is this person suited to be VP to a 72 year old man? It’s a “character” issue.

This is assuming this thing is even true. It may not be, but I think it warrants closer scrutiny.

Don’t know that either of them look 7 1/2 mos

I agree…but who said the baby went to full term?

She ran a State that has an economy that funds itself entirely from taxing corporations. And it worked damn well. How does that jibe with McBush’s agenda?

I think this is a very profitable line of attack.

How f*cking duplicitous do you have to be to try to pull that sh!t?

Come on, Pete…you just have to be a REPUBLICAN!

Hey—It ain’t HER fault that McBush picked her. Let’s put the responsibility where it belongs.

particularly since I looked like the Queen Mary and moved just as slowly…. about the time I knew I was pregnant, I was showing…..

I know a young lady who is due in six weeks. Her second. She looked more preggers than anybody in that pic 3-4 months ago.

My son’s mother is one tough little nut (take that as you will). She worked, on her feet, the entire day before her water broke that night and my son was born early the next morning.

But she sure as hell wasn’t back at work the next day, or even the next coupla weeks….

Is that Vogue cover real?

Ouch.

I saw on CNN Republics touting Pailin’s leadership of a town with 8500 people as evidence that she has more executive experience than Obama or Biden. I know that this will be one of the lines of attack, but if we are stupid enough to buy this, then we as a nation deserve McCain.

I know a young lady who is due in six weeks. Her second. She looked more preggers than anybody in that pic 3-4 months ago.

As you stated – she knows her due date. The picture you’re referring to merely says that it was taken six weeks prior to the birth, not what her actual due date was. Big difference.

It’s normal, I have been told and observed, for women about to have a baby to be struck with a sudden surge of energy—start painting the house or something.

Yup.

It’s not about the act, it’s about the coverup.

One thing that concerns me is that while there are many valid reasons Palin should not be VP, a lot of the criticism is and will be ugly and sexist in nature. In the court of public opinion, particularly to low-information voters, ALL criticism, regardless of source, ends up being attributed to the opponent, in this case the Obama campaign.

Dude, that was rhetorical :)

Exactly.

200 million americans and this is the one McStupid decided is the second best in america to run the country after him….incredible isn’t it?

I was really struck by one guy at our speech-watching party. He lives in California, but is frequently out here on business. He said he’d been a Hillary supporter until the day of the California primary, when he was driving down the road and there were groups of Obama supporters every few blocks, and none for anyone else, and he thought to himself “I’ve got to be a part of that.”

It make me think a little differently about those forty million people watching the speech, and everyone who’s written emotionally about the moment of the nomination.

We worry a lot about racism, and about “low-information voters” being susceptible to the slime and the right-wing talkers. But even beyond the voter registration and the community organizing, I think there’s another factor on our side. How many people who aren’t into politics are going to see that history is being made here and decide that they want to be able to tell their grandchildren that they were there?

“I’ve got to be a part of that.”

Yeah.

Maybe there is an upside here. I have not heard so much pregnancy talk since my grandchild was born. Maybe we have tripped into a whole, public discussion about women’s health, responsibilities, burdens, risks, birth control, etc. All these topics are often quite hush/not particularly appealing etc. Maybe this is an opportunity to be mined for advocacy and information. I think Ob. is very comfortable on these topics, and M. is quite aware of health issues.

Not just to say Ms. Gov was stupid, but that all sorts of information should be provided.

http://megorious.com/pol/sarah-palin-in-vogue

Off to the vast wilderness of PetsMart to find food for the tigers. Long, hard trek but somebody’s got to do it. Have to avoid the canned Rethugs. Poisonous.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

I can’t imagine either candidate EVER mentioning this issue- unless it really boils over in the MSM- but that would take a smoking gun.

Gotta agree. Every pregnant woman knows that if the water breaks, you go to the hospital. You don’t make a 30 minute speech, fly across the country and then saunter into the delivery room. Especially with child number 5.

Either the report about her water breaking is wrong, or she endangered herself and her child.

Is that Vogue cover real?

Answered my own question. No.

Exactly.

They’ll watch them if they think that there’s something worthwhile.

A lot of parents try to protect their kids. Assuming that it was in fact the daughters – and palin was trying to sheild the daughter who is going to be perceived as the villan?

A lot of parents try to protect their kids. Assuming that it was in fact the daughters – and palin was trying to sheild the daughter who is going to be perceived as the villan?

Karl Rove – The Terrorist.

At what point, if any, did the Governor announce to her constituents that she was preggers?

I agree. Hit her politics (and lying for political purposes), but nothing else. Yes, she’s ridiculously inexperienced for being VP, but use that only if the McCain campaign or wingers are dumb enough to try to revive the “experience” argument. Or for people making the appeal to Hillary voters, reminding them that politics aside, she’s nowhere near the most qualified woman even in the Republican party.

Assuming that it was in fact the daughters – and palin was trying to sheild the daughter who is going to be perceived as the villan?

In a personal and family sense – no villain.

Politically, sh would be toast. Gone. Nice try, but You. Gotta. Go.

Ha ha – dream on

At what point, if any, did the Governor announce to her constituents that she was preggers?

No one knew about Sarah Palin’s pregnancy until March, a month and a half before Trig was born. The pregnancy reportedly came as a surprise to even Palin’s own staff. * Palin appeared extremely thin for a pregnant woman until the very last month.

SURE!

Solai @103, I think it’s been shopped. :)

Reply not working. Hmm… Oh I see, I keep getting disconnected. Let me try again. Oh well….

The thing that PO’d me was specific speeches… Kerry especially probably not broadcasted…. I wouldn’t know because where I was staying I only had PBS….Kerry speech was kick-as* take it to the bank but did it go to the cricket black hole?

Whaddya suppose might happen if, when the McLame campaign gets around to its delayed vetting of Palin, *they* discover that the “Immaculate Conception Delivery” story is bogus?

A mother trying to protect her daughter from something that is not a crime personally, familialy or politically. Will wind up making her a victim of a “vicious left wing”

Only in a culture that regards such situations as “sinful”. Fortunately, most Americans don’t, I think. Have you seen “Juno”? A very popular movie that deals with exactly this subject

If this is true, I would say the daughter needs protection from her parents.

There was a diary that I read about Palin leaving her little town in big financial mess when she left the mayor office….. something about a land deal that because of how the land was purchases vs. being purchased outright but through a broker cost the city millions which they are still paying off……

Go after her judgment…… Is this what you want for your Prez?
They talk about being fiscally conservative but giving buckets of money to their buddy’s… It is all about JUDGMENT….. or the lack of it…

The saddest thing about the Palin baby story to me is that if it’s the daughter’s child, Palin has stated to the world that she is ashamed of her daughter. That is very sad.

Get with the program! This election is about identity!

Juno is an extremely quirky film that uses the interactions of the characters’ idiosyncrasies, especially the title character played by Ellen Page, to create a very funny film.

The main plot line, a teenage girl gets pregnant and decides to have the baby and give it to adoptive parents

I disagree, but that’s ok.

What would remain would be an inherently unbelievable V.P. candidate, and an incredibly incompetent-looking John McCain.

Political catastrophe – Game Over.

Rayne had this link over at EW’s site:

Nothing like a few police raids against activists before the Rethug Convention

And would earn her the scorn of most Americans, IMO. Who doesn’t know somebody who has made a “youthful mistake” of this nature?

Palin has been a member of the little known and small membership organization “Feminists for Life” since 2006.

“FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.” http://www.feministsforlife.org/

At this point in time, most pro-life groups are reclassifying the most widely used contraception methods, including the pill, the patch,IUD’s, and Depo Provera, as “abortifacients,” asserting, with no scientific backing, that they cause abortions. The “Feminists for Life” website, which certainly Palin has examined, lists emergency contraception as an abortion method. If true, the members of “Feminists for Life” must consider 40 percent of all contraception methods as abortion simply because they have the same mode of action as emergency contraception.

“…even the ‘mainstream’ anti-choice groups are ready to make the battle against contraception part of their agendas…National Right to Life Committee state affiliates have opposed legislation that would provide insurance coverage for contraception. Iowa Right to Life even lists a host of birth control methods — including the pill, the IUD, Norplant and Depo-Provera — as abortifacients….A call to the NRLC resulted in an e-mailed statement on the group’s position that read in part, “NRLC takes no position on the prevention of the uniting of sperm and egg. Once fertilization, i.e., the uniting of sperm and egg, has occurred, a new life has begun and NRLC is opposed to the destruction of that new human life… The Feminists for Life refused interview requests. And at Concerned Women for America, a group that has been openly anti-contraception, a spokesperson told Salon twice that none of its ‘experts’ were available for interviews.)”

http://www.salon.com/…

Palin needs to be asked by everyone concerned about a woman’s right to choose her own reproductive destiny needs to interrogate Palin as to her views on Contraception (Emergency and otherwise) and why she would belong to such an organization is she doesn’t support its agenda.

I think it is funny. On an Obama thread with 140 some odd comments Obama is mentioned like seven times.

It’s like, is Obama’s policy such crap that the election will be about how bad McCain is so that no one can critically look at policy? Mission accomplished!

A sucker for a smooth talking salesman to impoverish the town for the benefit of the seller. How ideally Rethug

The fine folks over at the Great Orange Satan doing some good work filling in the empty spaces;

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..741/579968

One bit of wingnut pretzel logic I’ve heard in the past day is that since Democrats argued against the accusation that Tim Kaine didn’t have enough experience, we’re not allowed to say that Palin doesn’t. Now, only a wingnut would make an argument that, even if they win it, proves that they’re equally hypocritical, but it’s also BS — Kaine had been governor for nearly a full term, had a full term as Lt. Governor, and for three years before that was mayor of a city with a third of the population of Palin’s entire state.

However – this illustrates to me why the “inexperience” argument isn’t worth making, except as a counterattack if they try to keep up the “experience” attack. We don’t want to get into the weeds; getting us lost in the weeds is the entire purpose of a BS argument. It’s better to turn it back to McCain — “This really isn’t about qualifications, it’s about whether John McCain, in his first important decision about how his presidency would work, made a choice of what’s best for the country, or for his own political benefit.”

Kerry my FAVORITE speech … after BO’s.

Was great to hear that passion, honest SANE AND OUTRAGED truth to INSANE POWER, and down to earthness and him giving it back for BO’s sake and his own, belatedly.

It boggles the mind that McCain would give a gift of this magnitude. Did Paulin really think this would fly without SERIOUS examination.

The labor story is SO implausible on so many levels…

Well that “inevitability” makes it virtually impossible…no IMPOSSIBLE…to prevent it from occurring.

I think that those directly tied with the campaign should avoid accusing Palin of “adopting” her pregnant daughters child. But it isn’t going to prevent people from speculating…especially given her own “Superwoman” claims and “behavior”.

At a time when America seems to be leaning away from overtly involving religion in politics, McCain has chosen a religious/political extremist.

Dr. Dobson, Pator Hagee and Richard Land are exstatic about Palin. That should explain alot.

Palin was also a Buchanan supporter.

-G

The Palin story certainly sucked all the oxygen out of Obama’s speech.

An Alaska Blogger’s take on Palin.

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/…..rspective/

Yes, that makes perfect sense because the post was about policy. Not.

Get a clue.

That’s a big part of it– people see it and they know it’s historic and groundbreaking. What a contrast to McBush’s being forced to pick some corrupt Fundie nonentity because his minders warned them that the evangelicals would quit the party (and thus flush the down-ticket congressional races along with his own)!

Probably right- McBush just took the whole “inexperience” argument off the table—it was his best argument- Obama should probably settle for that and not try to bloody up this woman- others will certainly make the point anyway.

Since the Republics have made that attack, the MSM has dutifully reported it as fact. There needs to be an intense counter-attack against Palin now because without it, the Republic’s argument will hold. Kerry failed to quickly and savagely counter during his campaign, assuming that voters would see how silly the Republic arguments were. Kerry’s strategy failed.

Breaking news – the cops have been staging raids on local activist groups.

The UpTake has video:

Police are raiding five locations in Minneapolis this morning. This comes after the Ramsey County Sheriff’s office raided a location in St. Paul late last night. The raids in Minneapolis this morning are reportedly also being done by the Ramsey County Sheriff’s office. Please note Minneapolis is in Hennepin County. The UpTake has video of last night’s raid and has people on the scene of this mornings raids. This is video of a house at 3500 Harriet from Ken Avidor.

Transcript of Carla Magnuson- NLG Attorney National Lawyers Guild and staff organizer

So in preparation for the RNC, there was a theater on the west side of St. Paul on smith avenue that was rented for the purposes of organizing . It was raided last evening during a concert. The attendees at the concert were detained, questioned and then released.

This morning we woke to calls saying multiple activists houses were being raided. We think that the two raids are connected. The raids of the three different houses occurred two in south minneapolis, one in Seward. They are all known houses of people doing radical organizing. We have at least at one site requested to see a warrant and none was provided. They are questioning people in the houses. Several people in the houses are visitors from out of town. And right now we have both National Lawyers Guild attorneys and legal workers and legal observers on all three sites. So we’re currently collecting statements from the people who have been raided. And there’s going to be a mass community meeting at Powderhorn park today at 11:30 AM. And we’re hoping everyone can make it because this is outrageous behavior on the part of the law enforcement agencies in this town.

** http://uptake-editorial.groups…..ew/id/605/

I liked Kucinich’s “Wake Up, America”

Exactly. Nobody who has been running against Obama in the last year or so actually came out and called him a secret muslim. It was all done with email chains, and it’s been effective. I propose doing the same thing, and bollocks to propriety. It’s too late in the day, and the gloves need to come off.

Yep. And it was a really good speech too. R tactic worked.

Just letting things go and hoping for the best doesn’t work. Bill Clinton didn’t do that and won. That’s the example Obama needs to follow.

The arrests have begun in the Twin Cities. Minneapolis allows a “36 hour hold” on detainees without charges, and weekends and holidays are not included in the hold time. Thus, someone arrested on Saturday wouldn’t be out until Wednesday. And that’s if they’re not charged with a crime.
Keep abreast on the violations of civil rights by visiting Twin Cities Indymedia.

Gestapo. Plain and simple.

I know it violates Godwin’s law, but if the shoe fits…

Great minds post alike!

158 arrests in Denver for protest-related “offences” during the whole week. I will try and keep a tally of how many there are in the Twin Cities. I believe there were about 1800 arrests in NYC during the last RNC.

Actually, the post was about the high television ratings the speech got. Policy was never mentioned. I think it’s WONDERFUL that so many people watched the speech.

Making fun of the other sides candidate is off limits?

Do the police have the men’s rooms staked out?

The stalls are tapped.

At the airport

If you were in charge of the repub party, with Gustav looming and ready to hit just when your convention is due to start, would you cancel/postpone? I think they’ve got to. First, who’s going to watch? Second, they’ll look callous (again)? Third, how is anyone going to tell a joke, dance to the music etc. while the hurricane is hitting.
And, finally, it would just be wrong. (ok, that’s not influencing their decision).

the airport is flush with wanna-be Jake Tappers.

What about all the flights booked and hotels reserved and bathroom meetings planned?

to innoculate against these raids, the actual demonstration needs to be announced, publisized and every bit of it to be advertised as being broadcast

The problem is that logistically, they can’t postpone. What about all the hotel rooms and event space they have blocked out for this week? What about all the delegates with their flight reservations? They don’t have time to re-schedule.

This leaves them two choices. Cancel, which many will see as a metaphor for the campaign, or go ahead, and risk looking bad and losing ratings if Gustav is Katrina 2.

Of course, they could cancel and send all the attendees to the Gulf Coast to help with relief efforts.

Yeah, right.

From TPM, more proof that Palin is a real repub:

Kopp served just two weeks this summer as the head of law enforcement in Alaska, resigning on July 25, after a past complaint of sexual harassment and a subsequent letter of reprimand surfaced in news reports.

But Palin made sure he had a soft fall for grace, giving him a $10,000 severance package for just two weeks served.
While Palin has conceded she was aware of the past complaint against Kopp, she claims that she thought the complaint had been unsubstantiated and was unaware of the letter of reprimand.

Didn’t care about his misdeeds, made sure he was taken care of. Cronyism to the max.

Postpone? Bush is still in office. He’s not needed at the convention. Shouldn’t he actually do his job for once? I think he still has his guitar.

That’s what we did in Denver. At the demo on Sunday, almost everyone there had a still or a video camera. Had there been any trouble, it would have been recorded and uploaded in a very short time. I’m sure everyone in the Twin Cities is prepared. YouTube & flickr-the protesters friends.

They’ll probably be bustin’ people for advertising Polar Bear Steaks and Aerially -Shot Wolf Loins….served with drinks from “No Global Warming” ice from Alaska. ooops! sorry, the ice melted!

Wonder if Bobby Jindal will show up? And the Florida, Mississippi, Texas delegations?

Did you see what they did to this CodePinker?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzrBYF99QKI

Big man cop completely abuses this woman, and by all accounts she wasn’t even much of a rabble-rouser. Easy target for this tough guy. Un-freakin-believable.

They’ll be busting people for not Being White in a built up area after dark.

They’ve got a real problem. We’ll see if the geniuses can figure this out cuz the whole thing could wind up looking like a funeral. And, even more politicians are going to back out.

Clearly, Gustav is good news for Republicans. Fox News will tell us why.

They also arrested that librarian lady for protesting McCain when he spoke at the Performing Arts Centre a few weeks ago.

I have to say that overall, the law enforcement was fine in Denver. I attribute a lot of it to the positive vibe.

The event space alone means they can’t postpone. It’s way too big of an event to push forward.

Here’s hoping Gustav changes course in the nick of time.

Jindal’s out. Crist will be out, too, I would imagine.

If you were in charge of the repub party, with Gustav looming and ready to hit just when your convention is due to start, would you cancel/postpone?

has this been mentioned yet?;

remember the republicans prayed for a “storm of biblical proportion”?

errrr

there are a few religions that say if you wish harm to others it comes to you
hmmmm

if this storm does indeed arrive, I do hope obama or someone on his staff finds it in their repertoir to point out to the base, they have been given their sign who their maker wants them to vote

fundy stuff but effective

Having just seen the DNC took over Denver, and how much planning it required, there’s no way. It would take a year to re-schedule.

Hmmm. Makes you wonder, don’t it?

I hope that some one can get pictures and or menus from their events. I would love to see some arugula salads and caviar spreads.

Van Halen says McCain didn’t ask for permission to use their song.
McCain should stick with Liberace.

This post may be too late for anyone to see, but I just wanted to add that I watched the speech in Trinidad and many folks there were glued to their TVs at the time. Throughout the Caribbean, hopes are high for Obama. Likewise, when I recently attend an international meeting, the folks from Africa and Indonesia were especially thrilled at well he has been doing.

I would venture to say that mega contracts have been signed with caterers.
If the spoilable food isn’t there it is enroute.

Yup, indeed.

McCain’s famous temper must be boiling at the possibility that “his” convention is a mess already and hasn’t even started. He’s stuck with a VP he doesn’t even know and is clueless about everything. I would say that he is going to be just about “ripe” for the debates. Bring ‘em on !

I’m not celebrating their bad news. Rather, I’m terribly worried about what’s about to hit. But, if I were them, I’d cancel. Screw the expense. IMO, it’s going to hurt them badly. All the global warming deniers, Lieberman speaking (when he promised FEMA would be fixed), the contrast between the hurricane damage and the celebrating delegates, the whole picture would put them in worse shape than they’re already in. Cancelling it would be the best thing they could do, PR wise.

They could do a lot for themselves by having delegates and bigshots volunteering for the cameras. They are savvy enough to come up with a silver lining.

McCain has spent his cash at a rate to be at zero when nominated since he is going public. To postpone would mean that the campaign would be broke until he is nominated

That’s assuming McCain will be playing by the rules.
He will not. He is a Republic.

Republicans hope Gustav hits New Orleans, so *they* can pack a football stadium with screaming people, too.

Apparently they don’t count PBS and C-SPAN (my choice of viewing) so the numbers are probably a lot higher. (Sorry if that is a repeat I’m just getting to this now.)

I used to live near a place called Mingusville. There was one resident, Sam Mingus. He called himself the Mayor. I never realized that he was
qualified to be the VP nominee for the Republics.

Jane’s covering the Rep convention at Campaign Silo.

Jane is over at Campaign Silo covering the arrest of the peace protesters in St. Paul.

Video on it’s way . . .

Definitely….this was an effort to bring in a crypto-fundy underv the wool of a “gender choice”. Look at all the far more experienced female Republicans he could have opted for. Almost all are pro-Choice, or at least not as strident on fundamentalist hot-button issues as Palin.

Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski

Olympia Snowe
Carly Fiorina
Kay Baily Hutchinson
Susan Collins
Christine Todd Whitman
or one of the women that held office during the Bush I Administration.

Condi Rice
or other women in the Bush Administration would likely be too much of a lightning rod.

Given the fact that Palin was unlikely to be able to hide her fundamentalist and extreme anti-abortion (and anti-contraception) associations…how was this supposed to appease the so-called Clinton PUMAS (who argued that Hillary was more experienced and progressive than Obama).

This only can be seen as a sop to the fundamentalists…it appears “Rovian”. But to “work” her background would have had to be kept secret by the MSM. And have they really made much of it?

Yes, thanks for the reminder. Kucinich knocked it out of the Park, too. Glad he got some coverage. In interviews he stressed how emphatically he disagreed with Pelosi about impeachment. And about his petition! Glad to hear a clear voice not influenced by Dem’s centrist kool aid!

I caught PB’s rave of Obama’s speech though. Wow.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..82808.wmv/

Yeah, I turned over to MSNBC after watching the speeches on CSpan and saw that. A serious “Holy Sh*t!” moment.

Howie upstairs with a Blue America contest for us

So, I certainly wonder how Land thinks about the questionable birth story. He is not my kind of guy, but I do not think he is dumb.

That has now cost a bundle. How would this stuff in MN been authorized? Or is that a very silly question!

Oh. My. God.

This is so bizarre I can only laugh.

Masterful photography! Thank you for sharing. What a treat. Favorite signs:

carbon free parking,
Already Against NEXT War: Ira-q-n,
Oh! Bama

Speaking of Lieberman, Lee Camp cartoon from Crooks & Liars:

http://static.crooksandliars.c…..iginal.jpg

This will fill a mini-series for sure. Or a reality tv show.