McPain. Ugh

Arizona Carpetbaggers ….. McCain…. lived in Florida before shacking up with CindyLou AND Rick Renzi….. ya that under indictment Congressman Rick Renzi CD-01 …

Long history of carpetbaggers in the Mt West until Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy where we actually HAVE a Democratic Party….

McAuliffe is a shameless,self-serving, unprincipled, opportunist? Who knew?

There’s no accounting for hubris. McA thinks that everyone luvs him as much as he does.

Wow, Cafferty reading some emails re Palin. Most are completely damning. Said he got 11,000 in the past hour.

New York in particular has had no problem electing out of staters like Bobby Kennedy and Hillary Clinton to the Senate, but Virginia I don’t think has a similar tradition.

Self-described Republican callers to C-Span this morning lauded her. One was a former Hillary supporter who is so pissed at the Dems she would have voted for McCain regardless, the other was a guy who believed electing to carry her Down Syndrome baby to term speaks well of Palin’s character.

There’s no accounting for hubris. McA thinks that everyone luvs him as much as he does.

LOL There is no one so blind as … a politician, except, of course, the politician’s consultant.

There’s no accounting for the American voter.

Virgina is for lovers political hacks who have outlasted their usefulness?

Someone earlier said they thought Palin reminded them of Lurita Doan…me too.

isn’t Hubris one of those newfangled exurbs?

Virginia probably has a lot more residents who originated elsewhere than it used to. Not as many as New York. The number of native Virginians probably increases as you move farther from the Beltway. Be interesting to see an analysis of the demographics.

guuuud Laurd!
whuut a laouser!!!!!

Hubris is a “heads up” that a circumcision is about to occur.

McAuliffe in VA: so not happening. It’s about getting money and fame in the short term.

Hugh - you’re not Jewish, are you? :~)

If it isn’t, it should be. Hubris, VA, home to McMansions.

Cuz his barnacle to the ship clinton didnt work.

Are we witnessing McCain in the act of cratering?
If he takes the Republics with him, I will have to reevaluate
my position on the Deity’s involvment with the affairs of Earth.

Jeez, you’re another one I have to watch out for. Spew alert please.

Jeez, you’re another one I have to watch out for.

forewarned is foreskinned?

Are you all hiding under your computers while spitballs fly overhead?

More than one way to peel a banana.

a 19 monitor provides substantial protection from intra-office projectiles… :~)

the other was a guy who believed electing to carry her Down Syndrome baby to term speaks well of Palin’s character.

Since she’s anti-abortion, I doubt that she had the testing to inform her whether the baby had Down.

Aloha Ya’ll! I think McSame just upstaged Obama with the Palin pick! Nifty little sleight of hand…!

It would work for the pun but no, I try to stay as far away from religion as I can.

…as long as the late, great Macaca Allen doesn’t undergo some type of political resurrection I’m good :)

Palin - obviously more ready to be President than Romney, Ridge, Rice, Powell, Dole, Bush - Yeahhh! That’s the ticket!

Since she’s anti-abortion, I doubt that she had the testing to inform her whether the baby had Down.

From what I heard on C-Span, she apparently did. It seems a little incongruous I admit but I suppose it would allow more time to prepare yourself to cope with a special-needs baby.

Or maybe just wanting to know if she should buy blue or pink clothes.

Maybe in the media but I became bored after an hour.

Heh, I didn’t infer that, I just implied that it upstaged Obama’s thunder…! ;-)

I think I caught in passing that she had the test but carried to term anyway, but don’t hold me to that. But as Hugh (I think) pointed out earlier the probability of a 5th child of a 44 year old mother having a Downs baby is quite high (1/30). I’m sure she knew that too. It’s almost as if she was hoping for it.

A friend of mine tells me (learned from a colleague with a Downs child) that the treatment includes 5-6 hours/day of close bonding from infancy for several years. Doesn’t mean Mom has to do the full shift, but she should be an important part of it. It apparently makes a big diff on the prognosis for social appropirateness & ability to adjust to a semi-independent life as an adult. From what we know about her life, she’s not the one doing the work with her child, and makes me wonder if anyone is. Might be another case of right-to-lifers defining life beginning at conception and ending at birth.

There was a rich guy named Checchi who thought he could buy his way into the governorship of California back in the 1990s. He was highly thought of by his fellow millionaires. He blanketed the state in campaign commercials, and came in third in the primaries.

McAuliffe would do well if only millionaires had the vote.

In any event, I’m inclined to respect her reproductive choices. Be nice if she would extend the same courtesy to others.

You guys are in rare form this afternoon.
I thought it was interesting too when I read that she had the tests and went for it, only because when I had my son at 42, the doctors told me the only reason to have the amnio would be if I already had an open mind to aborting a problem. Because there is a risk of terminating the pregnancy when you have the amniocentisis. That was my experience anyway.

I’m certainly no McAuliffe fan, but didn’t Sen. Clinton do essentially the same thing in New York?

I don’t remember any grand history of her time or interest in NY until the opportunity came a knockin’ to get a senate seat.

Do you have a link for that?
You might want to consider a little bit more before pressing that submit button.
Or not.

For clarification purposes only, the sentence I was asking a link for is:
It’s almost as if she was hoping for it.

and Kennedys and Rockefellers throughout the land…

The hubris is pretty amazing. Not only does Terry think he can waltz in and run for governor based on having been on teevee a lot, he apparently also remains unaware that he didn’t make a lot of friends in VA politics during his tenure at the DNC, when he focused its resources exclusively on presidential swing states. In the past, that might not have been a complete boat anchor, but now that people have Dean’s example to compare to, they can see how much he shafted them.

What a tool.

New York, at least the metro area(s) has a long history of accepting new arrivals. Virginia has a lot of transplants in the metropolitan areas but probably a smaller percentage of the electorate (compared to New York) live there. Regardless, McAuliffe is likely to wash out for a number of reasons unrelated to his length of residency, such as his insufferable personality.

As Hugh mentioned above at comment #6, New York has a history of electing folks who move in from out-of-state without having had long term ties to the state. bobby Kennedy did pretty much the same thing as Hillary did. As did I believe James Buckley as well.

Virginia does not have that history of accepting out-of-staters as Senators, not to mention as governor.

I used a different article to link to earlier today but wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome

actually cites an even higher risk. One in 19 by age 45.

The article I cited earlier can be found here:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000815/825.html

http://www.mothers35plus.co.uk/down.htm

Oh, that’s definitely the case. Northern Virginia is now about a third of the population of the state, and plenty of that growth has been transplants and immigrants (to the Dems’ benefit.) I’m always amused at political analysis talking about Warner and Kaine in the category of “Southern governors” when they were both born in the midwest.

Sentence written to be speculative, obviously, as I’m sure you know. Perhaps cruel, but the facts are known, and she certainly is making political hay out of having such a child. Sorry if I offended you.

Terry McCall-off-your-dogs

I guess that pregnant women in her age bracket are probably automatically screened for Downs’ Syndrome, since the risk is so high.

Because of her age the Doc may have recommended the amnio.

BTW demi, I said that because I think it is highly inhumane to drag such a human into the core of the campaign. I find that very highly offensive.

Since she’s anti-abortion, I doubt that she had the testing to inform her whether the baby had Down.

From what I heard on C-Span, she apparently did. It seems a little incongruous I admit but I suppose it would allow more time to prepare yourself to cope with a special-needs baby.

Some screens are fairly simple and widely used. Her age (older than 35) alone would be sufficient grounds to treat her pregnancy as high risk and indicate both the need for increased monitoring and counseling.

OT: I glanced at the newspapers at the drug store today, and for once, the Washington Times had my favorite combination of headlines above the fold:

Obama vows change of course
Triumphant speech makes history for presidential nominee

followed by:

McCain refuses to be ignored

It’s not quite “Old man yells at cloud,” but it’s close.

Now here is a guy in the finest traditions of Gov Spitzer

Terry woulda had a significant presence at the Dem convention this week had Hillary won the nom. Shudder to think…

Record 38 million viewers watched Obama’s speechRAW STORY
Published: Friday August 29, 2008

38 million tuned into watch Senator Barack Obama accept the Democratic presidential nomination, according to Nielsen Media Research.

“Mr. Obama’s speech — a historic one given his status as the first African American nominee of a major political party — reached significantly more viewers than the comparable addresses in 2004,” The New York Times reports. “Coverage of John Kerry’s acceptance speech in 2004 had 24.4 million viewers; coverage of George W. Bush’s convention speech that same year drew 27.5 million.”

As over 84,000 filled Mile High Stadium to hear Obama in person, according to Nielsen Media Research, the televised broadcasts attracted more viewers than the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final ‘American Idol’ or the Academy Awards this year.

The Times also notes that “the four-night Democratic convention ranks as the most-watched convention of either party, Democratic or Republican, since Nielsen began measuring conventions in 1960.”

“Obama’s audience might be higher, since Nielsen didn’t have an estimate for how many people watched Obama on PBS or C-SPAN Thursday night,” the Associated Press adds.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._0829.html

Thanks for the links. As I said, I had a child and an amniocentisis during the pregnancy at 42. I had my own personal choice already made. So, I get what Down Syndrome is.
Speculation is fine.
I’m offended by authoritarian type personalities on either side of any aisle.
But, that’s just how I am.

It is intended to reassure the social conservatives regarding the staunchness of her anti-choice credentials. Her stance on the issue is important, her personal life… not so much. I confess that I am growing uncomfortable at the frequency with which Joe Biden’s personal tragedy is mentioned. The story provides necessary insight into his character but when it is retold on a daily basis it’s use begins to seem crass and exploitative.

Just saw a few clips of Sarah speaking- including her comments today…Her voice is like the screech of fingernails on a blackboard—YIKES!!!

(McBush sounded like shit as well). Doesn’t look (or sound) good at all.

That can also be similarly applied to McSame… You do know he’s a POW, right…? ;-)

There are other tests that are precursors to the invasive amnio test. There is no telling without research what procedural testing Palin (who favors forced birth for all other women in every case without exception) had done.

The doctors and hospital pre-natal screening professionals I recently experienced were very forceful and hard sell in a soft sell kind of environment. As a self-pay customer, I informed the saleswoman that we desired the typical normal and minimal testing.

My wife is 38. We just had our 3 month ultrasound. At this point measurements are taken of body length and head circumference and diameter. These measurements and other factors like blood testing indicate a normal fetus or potential Downs or other problems.

In and of itself, an ultrasound test at three months is a kind of genetic test or at least a step in that direction. It is possible that Downs could have been discovered (or suspected b/c of excessively large head and neck) at that point in Palin’s pregnancy. It is possible that she stopped there. (My wife and I do not want amnio under any circumstances b/c of the potential risk it imposes on the fetus.)

Thankfully our fetus was well within the normal range.

-McSame… You do know he’s a POW, right…?

I hadn’t heard that but had suspicions. Yes, he is indeed Patently Offensive and Wizened.

I’m glad your fetus is with the normal range.
I have three children, so I understand the joy and also concern of a pregnancy.
I just really thought ECahn’s comment was out of line and yes, in her own words cruel. That’s why I took exception to her comment.

She may do whatever she wants for whatever her reasons. But when she becomes a veep candidate those behaviors and reasons are open to public scruitiny, which necessarily involves speculation about motives, since the public is unlikely to be informed of the actual motives.

And I also agree with ratfood at 61 that I playing Biden’s tragedy up in the press creeps me out, but not a much as using a Downs baby as a stage prop.

I was 36 when my son was born, and I was an old mom for my time, 27 years ago when having a baby at later ages was just beginning (in its infancy as it were). So docs were concerned about me for same reason, though the probability goes up with each addditional year. I have a very different view from Palin, I wouldn’t have done what she did, but I respect her choice. I just disrespect how she’s using her son.

Have another scotch or wine darling and you can take someone else to task.
Whatever.

I’m wondering…she is 44. That’s a bit on the high end of one’s normal reproductive life. Did she use a fertility clinic?

First of all, why do you care and secondly, it’s happens. Some people still get some. OMG. I just think it’s interesting to read some of the way out comments here.

Oh, sorry, you were just “wondering”. Ha!

But, but, but her running mate was a POW…

Because of her anti choice stance on abortion we can and should discuss it.

Run, Terry, run.

If for no other reason than to put paid to your political career, such as it is. Time to go back to earning a real living, Terry. Or go live on an island somewhere.

Sorry, Virginia, but you may have to do the dirty deed for us. Nothing would please me more than to see Terry McAnus come in third in a Virginia primary, as I am sure he would.

Can you say Harris Miller? I thought you could.

Yes, she knew the baby was Down syndrome during pregnancy.

Gov. Sarah Palin was back at work today, holding a meeting on the natural gas pipeline three days after giving birth to her fifth child.

Palin and her husband, Todd, showed the baby, Trig Paxson Van Palin, to a few reporters and talked about the sooner-than-expected delivery.

Trig arrived about a month early and has Down syndrome, the governor confirmed. Testing during early pregnancy revealed the condition. Palin said she was sad at first but they now feel blessed that God chose them. The couple has lots of family support, she said.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/382560.html

I don’t like McAuliffe either, but please stop perpetuating the historical slander of Reconstruction by referring to people as ‘carpetbaggers’ and ’scalawags’. Read Foner or DuBois on Reconstruction. There is enormous ignorance of that history, but I think any serious reader will be amazed at the accomplishments of Freedmen and Northern supporters during the period from 1865 to the compromise of 1876: the first free, universal public education in the country, an early ‘war on poverty’. The supporters who can South during that period included former abolitionists and others who had made great sacrifices in the war for emancipation. The compromise of 1876 marked the final turning of the Republican party of Lincoln to support for big business, and military suppression of labor strikes in the North and Indian uprising in the Dakotas and elsewhere.
DuBois writes that when the compromise withdrew the Union troops protecting the Reconstruction government, the southern white working class and yeoman farmers were faced with a historic choice between progress and the Klan.
Let’s revisit that history and hope that a better choice is made this time.

I remember Checchi, what a phony!

I also recall telling my wife that, after the elections (which he lost) we’ll never heard of him again. And I didn’t until you mentioned him in your post.

How’s that for dedication to public service?

Terry obviously has very poor reading comprehension. Or maybe he just doesn’t read. But some friend of his should send him a memo: 2008 is about CHANGE. You dumb freak, didn’t you GET it when Hillary was beaten, a lot because she was running like it was 2000. Yes, several years ago, it WAS common for those who had campaigned for years to be pushed aside when a D.C. insider decided s/he just HAD to have that post. No more. You want something? EARN it. Don’t think that you can get a seat just because you are the Great Terry McAuliffe.