So much for "Obama fatigue." Via Fezwearers Anonymous, the Associated Press reports:
Barack Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention was seen by more than 38 million people.
Nielsen Media Research said more people watched Obama speak than watched the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final "American Idol" or the Academy Awards this year. Obama talked before a live audience of 80,000 people in Denver.
His TV audience nearly doubled the amount of people who watched John Kerry accept the Democratic nomination to run against President Bush four years ago. Kerry’s speech was seen by just over 20 million people.
Much to the chagrin of the John McCain’s campaign handlers, those people all got to see the real "real Obama" — unfiltered, not through the distorted lens of their Rovian B-team attack ads — and learned that he was anything but a pampered empty suit:
. . . in the faces of those young veterans who come back from Iraq and Afghanistan, I see my grandfather, who signed up after Pearl Harbor, marched in Patton’s Army, and was rewarded by a grateful nation with the chance to go to college on the GI Bill.
In the face of that young student who sleeps just three hours before working the night shift, I think about my mom, who raised my sister and me on her own while she worked and earned her degree; who once turned to food stamps but was still able to send us to the best schools in the country with the help of student loans and scholarships.
When I listen to another worker tell me that his factory has shut down, I remember all those men and women on the South Side of Chicago who I stood by and fought for two decades ago after the local steel plant closed.
Just as importantly, though, they learned what Obama was committed to do as President: changing the tax code to reward work and job creation instead of existing wealth, expanding access to health care and quality education, and the Kennedyesque challenge to end U.S. reliance on Mideast oil in 10 years.
It’s a stark contrast to the shallow, identity-based politics being played by the Republicans, exemplified in John McCain’s announcement of his vice presidential nominee today.
The GOP presidential message boils down to this: Vote for McCain because he was a prisoner of war. Vote for Sarah Palin because she’s female. Vote for them because of who they are, not because what they’ll do.
If you have the crazy notion that this country has enough serious problems that some important things need doing… well, as Obama said, "you’re on your own." Unless, that is, you vote for change.
I have a feeling that most of those 38 million-plus people who watched Obama speak last night were of the opinion that voting for a president because of what he’ll do is exactly the change we need.
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Swopa!
I thought he had a lot of good one liners for ads. I liked the 90% voting record/10% chance contrast a lot.
Swopa!!!!
How’s it hanging!
McPalin is doomed.
I think we need some polar bear ads slamming Palin.
Actually, I think the overarching theme of the Repub platform this year is that Obama has more melanin in his skin. So Repubs are looking for votes AGAINST Obama, and not FOR their own candidates.
From the Fez link…
Kewl.
Obama’s speech was great. Nothing less!
But WHY during the whole convention didn’t ANYONE say ANYTHING about the decidedly fascist turn this country has taken under Bu$hCo? Why didn’t anyone come forth with the rage I feel for what those thugs have done to America and the Constitution?
Where was the rage? Why didn’t they nail that?
I’m not as experienced in politics as most of the good folks here, so maybe I just don’t get the strategy or something, but it seems to me that THAT should have been shouted to the rafters by many of the speakers.
And the impression I was left with is that we’re all gonna be nice to the Bu$h cabal, let bygones be bygones, no accountability, let the country heal by ignoring the atrocities and law breaking.
*sigh*
I’ve been reading that McSame’s choice choice of Palin is “good, bad, brilliant, incredibly stupid, etc.”
The MSM, as expected for a gaggle of gotcha gossips, is beside itself with joy over fresh meat.
This too will pass.
After all the circus hoopla has died down, 48-72 hours for Palin, and for McSame, no later than the end of next week with the end of the Republican convention, the rubber will finally hit the road.
As the final stretch campaigning gets underway then, Palin will prove to be the lightest of light-weights. Cue the flashbacks to Dan Quayle.
And John-boy McSame will, in essence, be campaigning all by his lonesome.
The “judgement” and “experience” issues that were to be the central thrusts of the McSame playbook will instead be inexorably turned back against him.
And the most important point? This will be by McSame’s very own hand.
Judgement? Poor will be charitable.
Experience? John-boy McSame should’ve known better.
He didn’t, and he doesn’t.
Baby seals in an open mining pit.
No mo’ YOYO.
Excellent post, Swopa. The McCain/Palin ticket is insulting to American voters. The Obama/Biden ticket is a challenge to American voters.
My favorite line in Obama’s speech? (Did anyone ask?)
38 million-plus viewers?
Well, we all know that’s bad for Obama – you know, he’s just a shallow rock star!/s
Is there a link to how
manyfew people were at McCain’s announcement today?We had a pile of folks watching 2 teevees, one on PBS, one on C-SPAN. It was great to watch one of our home-grown heroines speak as one of the regular folks before Obama’s speech.
Nor how many watched online.
… online watchers are also excluded from that count.
One wonders how many people were really watching. Our house certainly wasn’t in that count (2, CSPAN)
Well, we now know how Obama can best employ Hillary: put her out there to point out how insulting to women it is to have McCain choose Palin.
It’s rather like when the boss gives his mistress the high-paying job as his secretary, even though she can’t type.
I didn’t see/hear her today. I heard from someone she mentioned 9/11 as much as Ghouliani because that’s when her son (If it’s her son) is shipping out.
hi, Betsy… here’s your doctor pepper!
these turkeys on the newshour are commenting on obama’s speech and didn’t even hear it!!!
i’m gonna go find something to eat
then i’m gonna send them a nasty email
One of my favs as well but hell there were so many for me
I’d be interested in knowing that. I didn’t watch much of the fanfare, but I don’t recall any wide shots that would give an idea.
38 million is probably a low number.. considering how many viewing parties with rooms full of people there must have been… and considering folks like Nielsen don’t count PBS or CSPAN viewers at all.
NewsHour is having a faux balanced discussion of the Obama speech, making it a he said, she said.
polar bears drowning at sea.
This lady is a loser. i had a friend whose dad was a mayor and state legislator.. My apolitical wife was trying to understand the day’s events and she asked me “Does this mean she’s less qualified to be president than your friend’s dad?” The answer was yes.
siri-
re: “…say ANYTHING about the decidedly fascist turn this country has taken under Bu$hCo?”
Honestly, the convention isn’t the place for rage, in my opinion. But most of all, the minute you use the word “fascist” or “nazi” or any sort of reference to HItler or Mussolini, all the “serious” people immediately focus on the word, and how it’s over the top, unreasonable, rude, etc., etc.
So, while I agree that in the true definition of fascism (corporate rule, briefly) according to Mussolini, these folks are truly fascist, using the word would just throw everything off the true message.
Too many people you want to persuade would just stop listening after hearing that word.
CSPAN TV at Chez Doodle. Couldn’t take any more of the pundits. Blergh.
You say shit like that at your own risk. Are Ds going to misunderestimate yet another R? This woman strikes me as a real bulldog who will stoop to anything to win. And she seems to be savvy, quick, and completely presentable. Would you want to run against a woman who goes into labor in TX, gives a speech there, then fly back to AK before giving birth?
… drip, drip, drip:
Honestly, i think the more people see of this lightweight, the more the thought of her being a heartbeat away — when that heart beats in a 73 year old man with cancer — is gonna scare the shit out of them. that simple.
Same-sex benefits ban gets Palin veto
FIRST ONE: Attorney general told her the bill was unconstitutional.
By KYLE HOPKINS
Anchorage Daily News
Published: December 29, 2006
Last Modified: December 29, 2006 at 02:47 AM
http://dwb.adn.com/news/govern…..9318c.html
I watched NewsHour and Washington Week for years. Now I can’t stand to. They have really taken on board the principle of every-story-has-two-sides and we have to present the nuts to make the winger side.
And I think Jim Lehrer is just too far behind today’s technology, the way the world is changing, etc. He keeps having the same old suspects, when there are so many fresh, intelligent, cmpetent voices now available (see: MSNBC,Rachel Maddow).
I totally agree . . . but I guess with home foreclosures, high gas prices, job insecurity, yada yada . . . maybe bringing forth violations of the Constitution, infringement of our rights, Bush’s failure to uphold his oath of office, and our redefinition (collectively) of torture–all this would have been overkill. Hopefully the legal eagles on this site will hold all these in reserve, and reintroduce them when something can actually be DONE about them.
Brooks on NewsHour: Obama speech not a flop. What an idiot.
Sounds like she has the breeder vote locked up.
Heard the gymnasium had a capacity of 15,000 but it was only 2/3rds full. Republicans had a hard time even giving away tickets to get 10,000. McSame’s campaign is beginning to look like a real trainwreck.
CSPAN was on at this White House.
There were comments in earlier threads where a Firepup talked to someone who worked at the arena where the big announcement was held. They got a turnstile count of just under 10,000. The arena holds 15,000, so all the camera shots were tight ones.
Agreed. It’s like they are all grandfathered in, literally.
What I’ve read of her response to the investigation (not much) seems pretty much “I’m the governor and I can hire and fire whoever I please whenever I please.” I dunno how she’ll hold up under all the scrutiny of the national press. assuming there is scrutiny.
i hope so.
it’s a little hard for me to get behind a party who won’t bring some sun to those issues.
i’ll vote for Obi, no question, but just sayin……, otchmoson.
Herd him on NPR – usinghs patented “damning-with-faint-praise”– said he’d heard Obama give better ones, this one not one of his best.
Sigh.
How does he keep turning up on all these allegedly “liberal” media? /s
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!
hwy teddy, can I ask you something, stupid? (My mom used to say “There’s no stupid question except the one you don’t ask.”– Sounds like Momma Biden, no?)
LOL
But what a powerful concensus about Hillary: most gracious, etc. She really carried the day. Turning point when she did the nomination. I think all this has been so good for her progress beyond all that Hillary is hard, mean, ambitous stuff. She came across with smarts and grace and power. Newshour affirmed that.
My D hunter friend tells me she doesn’t make him change his vote. *g*
I watched that too, I’m so sick of
Republican spokespeoplepundits criticizing Obama’s speeches for not spelling out the specifics of his policy proposals. The specifics are available, for anybody with a sincere desire to know.err, “Heard”, not “herd”, sheesh–preview is my friend….
Looks like I owe you a refreshment of your choice.
if you believe that Pearl S Buck storyline
Maybe the confusion on her stand on gays comes from this:
http://www.pridesource.com/art…..icle=31764
She eventually did sign on but only because she had too.
On ObamaStock, when I went to work this morning, everyone asked me how it was, said they’d watched it, and thought it was great. This includes those who I’d pegged as “independents”. My two favourite liberals weren’t even in today, and even my token Republican friend (I actually go drinking with this woman) said it was “encouraging”.
I can’t stress how non-political my work environment is, so this was huge.
Totally agree. Jim Lehrer is past his prime and needs to retire to the beach or rocker or where ever rich celebrity “journalists” retire to. Brooks and Shields, Brooks and Shields, Brooks and Shields. Come on there are so many fresh insightful voices out there but then one thing the Newshour wants to do is maintain the status quo.
I think very many people are reacting out of fear. that includes many people on this site
Whether you read the Shock Doctrine or not.
Fear is making a lot of people come unglued.
I am so gald you mentioned grandfather….that was my exact impression of Mc and Palin (Plain) she looks like his granddaughter wiht Cindy looking on. Weird.
Not sure what you mean wrt Pearl Buck? I’ve been in & out getting supper, so perhaps I missed something.
that she gave birth in the rice patties and went back to work in 2 days…i think its the daughter baby
I don’t think I like this. I’ve been through this. Recently. People like us got overconfident and then all the talk was “why isn’t he ahead by more?’ then he wasn’t ahead at all. Next week: “Why didn’t he get a bigger bounce?” The McSame EXpress went off the rails a long time ago and by rights this election should be done. Too many in the media won’t let that happen. Too many low information voters a/k/a imbeciles a/k/a the Republican base. it’s gonna stay close. no time for end zone dances. yet.
daughters
Yeah, as a byproduct of this interpretation of “balanced” as meaning get two adversaries to blather – I’m getting more nd more furious at hosts asking stupid questions – i.e., asking the Repub (Wkly Std editor, e.g.) whether a Democrat “did what he needed to do” or if his “speech was effective,” thus giving the Repub the opportunity to give his answer carefully including all the talking points.
Today’s glaring example – Diane Rehm asked the Weekly Std. ed. something, he included in his lenghty answer that “of course, John McCain has never questioned Obama’s patriotism.”
Diane ignored it, but at least Eleanor Clift broke in to quote McC’s repeted slurs against Obama’s patriotism.
I’ve head that talking point way too often — andthis is the first time I’ve heard anyone counter it.
Here is a link about the Palin & bro in law controversy. Documents and all.
http://divasblueoasis.blogspot…..ack-o.html
I’m not too worried about most D voters. It’s the low info voters who might vote R because she’s cute and reminds them of Tina Fey. *g*
That’s what I thought you meant. But even if your version is true, just to perpetrate such a cover up tells you she’s not a person to be underestimated. My comment works with both options.
I thought his speech was spectacular…my favorite part:
ENOUGH!!!
An icy pint would hit the spot today.
agreed,but all of McDummys arguments about Obama have just flown out the window……………….never underestimate the LYING media however
This might be a good place to start.
It gets better, she delivered the child herself while simultaneously fly-fishing and signing a bill that allows oil companies to put wells in ANWR employing a new technology which uses polar bears as drill bits.
Yup, my risk and I’m sticking with it! You are free to believe what you wish.
And while totally unfamiliar with giving birth myself, I can’t for the life of me figure out why that would make her VP material. Or mayoral material for that matter.
They can add one PBS viewer here.
yahhhhhhhh,she is a nut case,pushy little thing
Responding to my 29?? I’ve put up so much bullshit since then, i can’t
remember that.
oph. Ok. Yeah. Now I remember. I’m fearful of there ever being a President Palin in say 6 months. Just am.
Does anybody think that Palin has a polar bear or a baby unit hidden in her beehive hairdo? Jeez, you can see the bobby pins.
She and Cindy remind me of the Coneheads…except I like the Coneheads.
I agree and believe me I wasn’t dancing in the end zone. Knowing the tactics of the Republican Party and an electorate that is the most entertained and least informed it’s not a done deal, yet.
cant look..break my heart
Brilliant!
(Be right back…)
Priceless.
where is the evidence newsfolks keep harping PARTICULARLY AT THE MOMENT GWEN, I’M NOT REALLY SO BLACK, IFILL, that the Palin announcement “dampened the Obama speech effect”????
LOL!!!
I will say that her voice is a little much for me to take.
I’m worried about what’s going on here.
While eating a mooseburger.
nor underestimate stupid voters. toss in racism into the mix. too early to celebrate.
Yup, except for the Rapture crowd.
They are assuming a McSame tenure would be short thereby leaving the WH in the hands of another Monica Goodling-type.
It would be hard to showcase McPalin’s anger management issues if we’ve got Dems all over the place being angry and I don’t think we need to feed the “angry black man” meme the Rethugs have been using. Calling the Rethugs fascists on national teebee isn’t much of an endearing act, either.
sadly, it’s ok to look – in fact, it’ll p***s you off – an article by one Sarah Palin on why the polar bear should NOT be placed on the endangered speces list.
i agree
OT – for old-timers some happy news.
big milestone for tommy yum’s son – Esten started kindergarden this week and, iirc almost 2 years after his diagnosis, his treatment continues to go well. (who is Esten?).
oh..ok,and she approved of hunting wolves by airplane…beeeeeeeeeeitch
Not only does Obama have to run against the Republicans but a corrupt, lazy and complicit media that has too much to lose. The perks and priviledges and wealth associated with corporate media hacks that play along with the status quo are on the line. IMHO Obama and his team are smart enough to recognize this and will run their campaign accordingly.
Never underestimate these motherfuckers. They should be treated as they’re the most dangerous people in the world. Because they are.
Look at my comments at 248,253 and 270 last thread the Breeders tend to get angry about potential birth defects.
Hiya demi! What’s going on here?
adorable…..bless them
I live in central FL. Please don’t mention the word Fey. Or Faye. Or Fay.
yup all the goons were on this morning includudingNooners who pronounced Obamas speech DOA
Did ya see what Harry “The Wus” Reid said about McCain? Short version: “Everybody in the Senate hates McCain’s guts.”
we had Fay up here in Tn for 3 days
Maybe during the VP debate there will be a question on the Rapture.
Doesn’t make her veep material to be sure, but makes her a candidate you should take seriously. If you don’t like the childbirth story, then go to how she played sports: Sarah Barracuda, who played & was responsible for winning the game, with a fracture in her ankle, or some such serious injury.
Keith just said her ratings were 90% more like 65%…oy
That’s wonderful news!
After the Rapture it won’t matter who’s president except to the rest of us that get Left Behind. I’ll tell you, I don’t want to be standing next to John McCain when his naked behind goes flying up yonder.
Remember that song when you were kids. The tune of “That’s Amore”
when you’re lying in bed
and your balls feel like lead
it’s a Rapture
when your balls hit the floor
like a B-54
it’s a rapture
It’s a NYT op-ed by Palin in Jan.
I’ve probably read to many comments here, not working recently.
Glad for you, tho.
Just too much trash talk for me.
It makes me sad. :(
Best wishes to them
Barack can post her up. She got no game.
How do we keep the interest generated by the convention going until the debates? I intend to quietly encourage my colleagues to watch, and make their choice based on them. The debates are key, IMO.
That is wonderful. Best to Tommy’s family.
What a stupid person she is. Why doesn’t she retire?
I loved that too. Made my heart swell with pride and sorrow.
Interesting question you posed at 253.
Wow, it’s kind of like being a POW.
Sorry. Is that sports related?
its worse than that her hair is the color of that orange stripe on the bottom of this page,and insists on wearing clothes the exact same color…major faux pas
The silly season was supposed to be over once the primaries were done.
It seems like it’s with us for the duration.
Oh duh. Nevermind. I’m slow tonight.
VP debates not so much unless somebody fucks up (see Quayle, Dan). But Biden will have high expectations. Someone said all he has to do to win is show up. i think the opposite. she has to do very little because little will be expected. But the BO-McSame debates will be huge. Barack’s a great speaker, obviously, but he’s not the most articulate guy. But he’s clean.
relax chill,your among friends,we are letting off steam
Yeah I think we leak that question to the blogs and hope it gets carried up the MSM food chain. There is no way Biden or Obama could bring that up tactfully.
I guess it’s a good thing I haven’t been around much lately. I missed it.
nah. Fay. a trop storm we just had that wouldn’t go away.
I hadn’t noticed; I’m too distracted by the garbage that comes out of her mouth.
What????
I’m new here, been reading for a long time, but haven’t posted. So, I think this feels so much like the Harriet Meirs nomination. Does this seem like that to you? And my husband had an interesting thought. That maybe McSame, et al are just kind of giving in and planning on 2012 or 2016, because they are all too damaged and the ‘r’ brand is just negative in general. That seems a bit over the top. But what if the moderate part of the ‘r’ party blow their stack, like the conservative wing did with Meirs nomination? Will Palin resign and say she needs to spend more time with her family? This just feels really weird, like Rover and his bunch told McSame ‘you can’t pick who you want, so this is who we’re picking for you’. He looked so nervous at the announcement, very awkward. Just weird. Any thoughts?
All the way to 20 Jan 2009. Roll up yer shirtsleeves and put yer shitkickers on.
I agree with you, best not to underestimate Republicans. They are ALL unlikely candidates in our eyes but they are still capable of winning (or stealing) elections.
Gwenn Ifill is “moderating” that debate. As someone said this morning, Biden loses if he takes her on. He wins if he takes McCain on. That needs to be his focus in the debate. Period.
I second that.
I’ve probably read to many comments here, not working recently.
Glad for you, tho.
Just too much trash talk for me.
It makes me sad. :(
————
why are you sad?
How do we keep the interest generated by the convention going until the debates?
I’ve been pushing, for a little while now, the idea that Obama, after the convention but prior to the General, should announce that Republican Dick Lugar will be his SecState.
I’m now thinking that a good day to do that would be – the day after the end of the Repub convention. A little political jujitsu, if you will.
McCrazy just gave up his “more experienced” card. Obama naming a Repub for a high-level Cabinet position then steals the McCrazy “Obama has poor judgment” card.
Thus, the game is five-card stud, with McCrazy holding two fewer cards than Obama.
He should completely ignore her and attack McCain.
I am confused. Is there any connection at all between Downs Syndrome and the water safety?
Welcome to the Lake. McC is definitely awkward and weird.
Wow, just saw a really bad “I’m a PUMA voting for McCain” ad.
Note to Obama campaign; You Are Being Outspent in Colorado, and you need to Do Something.
and has ONLY MET HER ONCE …i shit you not
yes
For now Hurricane politics Bush has to do better this time or John McCain is sunk.
Well that and if gas prices jump like they did after Katrina then John McCain is sunk.
But if Bush’s office of Homeland security fails again after a Hurricane then just how low will Bush’s polls go?
Katrina was the beginning of the end for Bush’s high popularity as I recall.
The Harriet Miers thing occurred to me earlier, too.
Oh? It’s been getting more negative here for a long time. Pressure Cooker.
I’ll chill, thank you. Getting ready to go out to a pot luck as I type.
Just waiting for the other members of my family to hit the door. :)
Welcome liztx.
While the republicans might own congress and the white house at the moment, they are most definitely in decline and disarray and falling apart. This is the story that the MSM is ignoring, treating them like a powerful “together” party. They are not. And they are not well funded.
But the MSM is pushing the horse race because – competition is what ameerica is about and they make money on this BS.
There is no comparison in the skills of those on the two tickets by any objective analysis which you won’t get from the MSM. Dem candidates are far superior in every way. How they can pick this women to be VP and a heartbeat away from the president is beyond me. I can’t even imagine that bimbo as president, let alone governor, but that’s Alaska for ya.
Unless someone dicks with the election this should be a landslide.
Great question!
My opinion is that the repiglicans are just giving up on the 08 race entirely. She is there only so they can say they nominated a woman.
Josh reports that troopergate report will be made public in the first few days of Nov & that Palin has almost certainly made false statement. And there’s a gem at the bottom.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211483.php
However, I think that Rove will be able to get the report postponed until after the election.
Hahhah oh the silliness, thank you for the silliness
Yeah, most likely in the motorcade on the way to the gymnasium….probably why they were late.
twice
Agree.
I wonder if Sarah is to be to McCain as Condi was to McCain.
enjoy…we have a long winding road ahead
New set of PUMAs—the Willard Romney fan club and the Tim Pawlenty fan club. Word is they aren’t too happy either.
rotflmao
welcome to liztx – and great news about Esten !
Is a lot like the Meirs appt.
OOops…correction
I wonder if Sarah is to be to McCain what Condi was to Bush. (freudian slip one more time…)
That is wonderful news, thanks selise.
hey im just stunned i tellya
Yeah, figured that out as I hit the Submit button.
D’oh!
Keeping an eye on Gustav. I’d like to get some rain here in Central Texas, but not at the expense of New Orleans.
twice
yeah, but he still had to read her name, kinda slowly, I thought, from an index card on the podium.
He’s been around. Smart guy, I’ll be disappointed (very much) if he screws up.
Oh, yay. Thank you for that selise.
Why not appoint progressives to the cabinet positions? I am not supporting Obama so we can get all lovey dovey with these criminals. Especially after we beat them.
Gustav and Hanna are gonna take care of the Puke Convention. Perfect timing.
BTW, NOLA is currently evacuating. They seem to have a pretty good system this time…it is also possible that Gustav will hit Houston not NOLA and Hanna will go around and hit somewhere near Alabama…so anyone out there…heads up.
Hi, LizTx! Welcome to the commenter club. Hope you stick around and chime in often. It’s almost impossible to go back to lurker-dom once you’ve taken the plunge.
FunnyDiva
The Republicans will just sneer, and deride Obama as merely celebrity. Mehlman probably started to say, “Running for president is not just a popularity contest you know… oh, wait….um, let me rephrase that.”
Bob in HI
Obama’s speech was wonderful – to put it mildly. But his face was the most fascinating part to me. He is so calm and at times looked serene. That’s what I liked.
Tweetybird had a “puma” on his show- sure smelled like a gooper…had a snarl on her face the whole time.
hehe. Every rethug I know watched the Obama speech yesterday. Which is pretty impressive, if you think about it. He might even have won a convert or two.
I’m sad because I think maybe the way to change things doesn’t involve all the anger, finger pointing and judgement that I’ve read off and on all day here, people who post the same link that someone else just did within posting stuff that was jus posted a few comments previously, meaning they don’t read the comments and just plow in.
Sorry. I’m just sad. The personal attacks, without stopping to care.
I agree they do seem to be going through the motions the Moderate GOPers will be discredited and the religious and Corporate wings of the GOP will choose someone else to lead them out of the wilderness like Reagen did.
But first McCain has to do well enough to defend the GOP filibuster in the Senate otherwise the GOP can’t hold laws hostage and demand a cut from lobbyists. No filibuster no cash for the party.
Next the GOP has to stop Obama from fixing the economy most politicians do not lose election unless the economy is going down.
To do that the GOP must align with Blue Dogs and Joe Lieberman.
Tweetybird had a “puma” on his show- sure smelled like a gooper…had a snarl on her face the whole time.
Didn’t she remind you of an angry, spoiled teenager?
I looked at that young lady, and felt sorry for her parents.
she really has a very thin resume imo ,Condiliar did get a doctorate
He couldn’t put out the phrase “running mate Sarah Palin” together without staring at his notes. There’s something very wrong with him. I think we need for Kirk Murphy to do some analysis for us. The guy isn’t all there which makes this pick even more scary.
Oh, thanks Selise! ((TommyYum and Esten))
Or more.
LOL. God, I need to laugh.
Apparently McBush picked his running mate because she had become a darling to some of the religious right- so he figured “Hell- she looks good, the idiot snake handlers love her- and she can do a “maverick” act- why the hell not?
Hi! Thanks for the warm welcome! Who’s Esten? Sorry, showing my ignorance.
Part of the work to be done is to get the crooks and liars from this administration by the short hairs in the next one. Do not let them slink away only to return again to do their mischief.
Palin is not presidential material. What a dumb pick.
i love the guy and his whole fam damily
The same thought crossed my mind. No sense putting a loser’s hex on a real Repug VP candidate/Future Presidential candidate.
Let the 3rd string play the losing game ’cause they ain’t never gonna make the Varsity.
Shows how self-absorbed the media spokespeople are. All the Palin pick did was change the current storyline. To them, that’s the whole world.
I think you might have something there. I really thought McCain, if he were to pick a woman, would pick Kay Bailey-Huthison. But maybe she didn’t want to spoil (or soil) her chances for ‘12 or ‘16.
And welcome, liztx! You in TX?
OMG LOL LOL LOL
This could be 1-2 punch and as strong as Katrina when it lands… hard to know. Interesting to see how this one is handled.
Our Obama sign stands proudly at the entrance to our property.
We are proud of the Democratic Party Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.
Huzzah to EVERYONE in the party for coming together to make this happen!
Let’s GO! Turn the nation BLUE!
The guy isn’t all there which makes this pick even more scary.
I’m seeing, and thinking, the same thing. More so pretty much every day, actually.
And it *is* scary.
What’s your opinion of McCain’s VP pick?
you should see Little Green Footballs”g” (just trying to cheer you up)
Sure if there are petrochemicals or the other stuff mentioned in one of my links the problem is that for the other stuff there is proven link yet.
But who wants to live in a place where Downs Syndrome is popping up, or a cancer cluster, fertility problems etc.
Let the pollution deniers stay.
Demi, you have fb mail.
Hi! Thanks to everyone for the welcome! Been reading you all for about 3 yrs. You all have some great discussions and points! This is one of about 5 of my favorite places to read. You don’t know how much you all helped me get through a graduate program – both by maintaining my sanity while I was writing for many hours alone and also for helping me procrastinate!
Michael Moore just stepped on his dick big time–yikes.
Fineman on KO saying that she’s a big Wingnut Welfare radio star. Hopefully she’ll say something really freakin’ dumb.
I guess it is where she can hide her mike for being couched…a good hiding place.
A lot of former Hillary supporters are still unhappy but if Barack had nominated a VP with less experience than she has they’d have gone through the roof. Obama dodged that by picking Biden. Let’s hope McCain’s choice creates major schisms in the Republican party.
Ha, procrastination. My favorite activity. And you got it right that FDL’s the right place to do it.
It’s an election year. They’re getting out in front of it.
I am in Texas. The north part.
I think Kay wants the Gov. in 2010. running as VP might be a problem for that.
oh please yes
McCain’s first wife was a beauty contestant, second wife a beauty contestant, and now a former Miss Wasilla.
yeah …heard that ….oy
While I was at the golf course today- the most right wing religious zany of em all started screamin about what a great speaker this woman is- that was just as the announcement was coming across- which tells me that the snakehandler wingers have been gettin a hard on about this woman for some time…..McBush decided to make em happy.
figures
Hi guys.
I had a crazy notion on previous thread #297.
Please edit at will.
Dobson has announced he will vote for McC. I can’t tell you how surprised I am. s/
her voice drove me to an Ambien/Aricept cocktail
We were going to have another meeting of the procrastinator’s club day after tomorrow, but it’s been postponed.
Esten is the young son of long time commenter Tommy Yum who has been undergoing cancer treatment for a couple of years now.
hey liz — you ever hear any followup to those two female US attorneys who died in the ft worth office in 04??
just kiddin
I think procrastination is part of the creative process you can’t be funny, brilliant and on topic all the time you need to kick back and do something completely unrelated to what you are trying to do to relax.
Then the ideas will flow faster than trying to force them out.
Glad to help. I probably shouldn’t laugh at my own wisecracks but that one made me chuckle.
Gov in 2010, prez in 2016?
so true dat
The PUMA crowd the Rs have to worry about more than Willard and Pawlenty are the Ron Paul voters.
sadly
I broke out the bourbon-YIKES—imagine bein married to her…I’d get my eardrums removed.
Hey, wang–doncha think Kay BH is planning to run for governor? I don’t think she wAs interested in signing up for the losing team and maybe spoiling that run.
another light weight in my estimation
oops, sorry – missed your question.
I see dakine has answered for me. Thanks, dakine01.
Sort of. Where do the rock ribbed libertarians have to go? Well, there’s always Bob Barr.
Sarah is a great speaker- as long as she’s speakin to the DEAF
me thinks she has ADD,would explain if the kid was REALLY hers going back to work in 2 days with a big hurt down dare
Yep I have to keep reminding myself of that.
“g”
Let’s start a new rumor: Lieberman is so mad about being passed over for Palin that when he addresses the convention Monday he will endorse Obama.
And the Blue Dogs must decide to work with what’s left of the ‘thuglican power center and against their own party while it is in the ascendant–and against the stated preferences of millions of American voters.
FunnyD
Gee-whiz, I really thought we’d won Dobson over.
the guy who wrote 100 places to see before you die ,just made it to 47…life is short….enjoy
I bet a bunch of pukes will secretly vote for Obama in protest of McPalin.
Well, they can always stay home and pout. Seems to me, I remember a few election cycles where some wounded Dems have done that.
With predictable results.
Exactly. So I guess McCain picked (or whoever did the picking) someone who they could lose with and not wreck their future plans.
(Does that get a /s or *g*?)
John McCain – KO’s wpitw….
I like it:)
No, sorry I don’t know anything about it. I was engrossed in research during 2004. It wasn’t until 2005 that I started following things very closely – 2004 was the last straw for me and I was so tired of being embarrassed I lived in the same state as our inept pres and I was tired of having to whisper that I was “shh… liberal” and in a red state. Ya’ll have made me feel right at home, though!
Maybe only McPalin will show up at the neoconvention.
Just posted this with Bmaz over at Marcy’s
“George Bush = Harriet Meiers for the big show = Major misjudgement
John McCain = Sarah Palin for the big show = Major misjudgement
Great post Bmaz.”
Oh, hey Liz
Thanks for the kind words. Congrats on getting through grad school. That’s a schlep and a half, I know.
Glad to have been here for ya, and glad you’re here now to join the discussion.
FunnyD
Glad you’re here!
Ha! Good one, Jim!
thanks for responding. Hey don’t feel bad about TX! you’ve got Larry Mcmurtry’s book town in Archer! that is soooo cool. I am dying to see that
I’m still surprised when they say he spoke for 42 minutes. It really didn’t seem like it.
I’m sure the Blue Dogs will be nervous opposing Obama especially if he wins by a landslide.
So while they are nervous we have to move big and fast to keep the election momentum going, to do that we need new leaders in the House and Senate.
Any names?
Thanks for the info. Hope he’s doing well.
Wangdangdingdong….slidin’ a shot down the bar to you….weeeeee….oh shizzola…I shoulda let go…..
What are you folks saying?
whut ,oh
This is classic:
State Senate President Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to tell her the news.
“She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? said Green, a Republican from Palin’s hometown of Wasilla. “Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?”
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html
LS! Been missing you. Any gigs this holiday weekend?
well i dont want to dis him,was sometin about the coming hurricanes
I don’t find Palin’s voice as offensive as most apparently do. Frank Zappa had a song titled, “Planet Of The Baritone Women.” Maybe that’s where McCain should have looked for a VP, ‘though I doubt if they’d meet the natural born citizen requirement.
Not til 9/4 Saxon (I think)…Fever Tree Rising. Hope you can come and hang!
I think you’re right. When McLame gets clobbered, they’ll blame it on the “Maverick” thing, and the message for 2012 will be “Get in [the regimented fascist Conservative] line, brother, or you’ll have to go home!” So then in 2012 the fascists will be able to dismiss all the moderates as “losers” and purify the base all over again.
Bob in HI
that is priceless. copy that to everyone!
(((Esten,David))) and ((((Quaker Girl)))) JC
It’s highly addictive here at the Lake. Hope you got all your research done before diving in.
I see it’s socially acceptable here to raise Qs about a female R, but not a female D. *ducking*
Oh, THAT needs to be spread far and wide!
Make that about the way female Rs speak vs. how female Ds speak. Must pay more attention.
I heard that if the hurricane hits New Orleans the GOP might postpone the convention and go over to McCain’s house(s) for cake.
Drat, that’s a work night. It sucks being employed. Almost as much as not.
OK, must go be domestic. Check all y’all later!
I did! I finished up in June and graduated 3 weeks ago. It is addictive and you all are great.
I hope it turns out that she laughs like Fran Drescher.
Cindy’s mousse…I mean Palin’s moose…I mean…
Moose BBQ…personally shot by Palin!
she seems teh shallow to me…….and stttttttttttttttoooooopit……..ducks
I wonder if the MSM will report how many people see McCain speak? Or will McCain pray that a Hurricane will overshadow his convention and nobody will notice how few people go to see him speak.
How many live bodies can McCain get if Minnesota’s Governor buses in convicts from the state prison?
which one?…bada bing
Congrats!!!!
huh?
707
Moyers going to talk about Palin and the O. speech. Swoon….I just give in on Friday nights…can’t do anything else. He’s on.
congrats!
666?
Welcome, Liz. It’s so nice these days that the Lake is around for procrastination. Back in my grad school days I had to rely on old Rockford Files re-runs.
That would be bad for Obama, the MSM would report.
before signing off, want to recommend a book out by a friend of mine for anyone who likes a good sea yarn and a good tale, a novel called
Last Flag Down by john baldwin
about a black guy from australia, a free black man, who enlists in the US confederate army and has multo adventures, based on a true story.
nightie nite everyone, bill moyers is even puttin me to sleep
I must inject that Andrea Mitchell is particularly disgusted by the idea of mooseburgers….she’s mentioned it several times today…besides Palin is a moose shooter…
met him,love him
So, what if the Palin choice was also rover’s way of injecting a ’social’ issue back into the race, so there would at least be a little energy? This is just a weird choice and I don’t buy any legitimacy of it.
I wanna come!
Yes, this is wierdness to the extreme. Glad you finally posted, liztx.
nite,nite
Bullwinkle: “Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat!”
Rocky: “Again?”
Bullwinkle: “Nothin’ up my sleeve… Presto!”
BANG!
John McCain: “Good shot, governor!”
One of these days Loo Hoo!! *g*
I meant asking Qs about how female Rs speak vs. doing same for female Ds. Lots of criticism about Palin’s voice on this thread, but when I approached the subject wrt Michelle Obama, I almost got booed off the thread.
Unless Karl does the count with his ” the math” then it will b 999:)
snort
got it.
I’m confused. I realize that it might be unseemly for the Repubs to be “celebrating” during a hurricane but they certainly have done unseemly things before. They seem to feel that the hurricane would hit the Twin Cities and the last time I looked the TC are not on the coast. What gives?
The nice folks here in Indianapolis put Moyers on Friday night at 2:00 A.M.
To which I say – DVR, bitches !!
“Intense” is the word I would use– not serene at all.
“Focused” like a laser beam.
Bob in HI
You were talking about her accent not her voice.
Seems that MSNBC is saying that Palin went to McPalin’s house, probably for moose BBQ or something…she probably brought the potluck…the other day or last week…that’s when they met.
indubitably
O me. too. Sanity, calmness, history , morality. I love him. And The Nation editor on the panel . “Palin in lockstep with John MCcain.” Excuse while I watch and pray.
“That trick *never* works”!
lol.
just personally i cant stand her voice,but i live on a peaceful farm dont go by me,if she ever called me she would go directly to muted speaker phone
aiggggggggggggggggggghhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeee
The same has been said of Palin, if not on this thread then on a prior one today. No one seemed to find that offensive.
All the folks from Louisiana & the Texas gulf coast will be evacuating to MN. Didn’t you get the memo?
Just ridiculous…sorry.
Glad to know the reason :) I didn’t get the memo. Should I leave California?
My take is that nobody will pay attention to how few people are at the GOP convention, their expected lack of energy compared to our convention (its hard to be ON/Happy when you are sure your going to lose), and of course the empty seats at the convention/smaller crowds.
Imagine all this bad news being ignored hopefully by Bush saving New Orleans on Network TV and fixing some of the damage he has done to the party.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Eli is upstairs
If you didn’t get the memo, they they’re not so interested in saving your life. Sorry.
Are you poor perchance?
Eli upstairs. I’m off to dinner with a moose.
what did michael moore do?
Oh, I dunno. Plenty of questions have been raised about DiFi.
Bob in HI
speaking of McSame’s anger issues not to mention his misogyny, I wonder how long till he disses her in public.
Never a double standard here in “progressiville” is there?
This is what happens when you don’t put the name out there and get a feel on how the public thinks about a candiate. I think picking her was to bring in campaign dollars and their main objective to “make history” like we did. They do NOT understand the difference between our voters choosing Obama and Clinton. Palin wasn’t chosen by the voters. And they didn’t understand how important making history was till it was too late.
Yes, I also have a feeling they might withdraw her name like they did with Myers. Mccain wasted 3 months before he chose a VP. He did that because he is a follower, he waited till after he knew who Obama’s running mate was. By doing so wasted 3 months that he could have been getting the public aquainted with his VP pic. Stupid move.
Palin. What we they thinking?
Good points. I keep having the feeling that the Rs know it is a kamikaze mission. And McSame is such a misogynist, it is really hard to think he picked her on his own. On another thread Blub said it was a deal with the fundies and so far that is the only explanation that rings true to me.
Published: March 6th, 2008 12:02 AM
Last Modified: March 6th, 2008 03:38 PM
JUNEAU — Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she’s expecting her fifth child.
“I thought it was becoming obvious,” Gov. Sarah Palin said. “You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger.”
The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.
Palin said she’s already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.
That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who’s always been trim, simply doesn’t look pregnant.
Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.
“I thought it was becoming obvious,” Palin said. “You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger.”